An updated list on the Colts 2010 college free agent signings
by Brad Wells on Apr 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
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PrintSince the Colts have not officially announced their collegiate free agents, here is an updated list of those we have confirmed have been signed:
Brandon James, RB, Florida
Blair White, WR, Michigan State
Brandon King, CB, Purdue
Brett Swenson, K, Michigan State
Vuna Tuihalamaka, LB, Arizona
Tim Hiller, QB, Western Michigan
Jeff Linkenbach, OT, Cincinnati
Andrew Tyshovnytsky, OT, Fordham
Javarris James, RB, Miami
Thad Turner, CB, Ohio
Mike Newton, CB-S, Buffalo
David Caldwell, S, Williams & Mary
Of this group, Brandon James and Blair White are return threats. This means that Ray Fisher has some healthy competition heading into mini-camps and Training Camp. Swenson is likely someone they are bringing in to lighten the workload for Adam Vinatieri.
Again, I'll repeat this for people who can't seem to understand the obvious: Adam Vinatieri will be the kicker for the Colts in 2010. Polian said he is "on schedule" this past weekend, and gave no hint whatsoever that the Colts are looking for an option other than AV.
Linkenbach and Tyshovnytsky have a real shot to make the team because the Colts are so thin at tackle. I realize Tyshovnytsky is listed as a guard at NFL.com, but he is 6'3, 292 pounds. That seems more "tackle" than "guard" to me.
With Jacob Lacey established, Kevin Thomas drafted, and Ray Fisher offering so many options in terms of playing corner and special teams, I don't see any way Turner, Newton, or King make the roster. Vuna Tuihalamaka, the linebacker out of 'Zona, has a shot to stick around. At 6'2, 230 pounds, he offers size and speed at the SAM backer spot. He really shined at his Pro Day, running a 4.65. He started all 13 games last year, recording 72 tackles, 5 1/2 tackles for losses.
And finally, Javarris James is cousin to the greatest running back in Colts history: Edgerrin James. Edge calls him "Baby J," which means that is what we will call him. For sentimental reasons, I hope Baby J makes the team.
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“I realize Tyshovnytsky is listed as a guard at NFL.com, but he is 6’3, 292 pounds.”
He is 6’4 – 317. Played T, but is probably RT or G only.
Yeah
Height and weight change from one site to another. It’s annoying. Thx for that FanShot btw.
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if McClendon is too short for LT at 6'3"ish, Tyshovnytsky probably is too.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Just how deeply can your senses be wrong? With some VR goggles, a camera and a touch on the back researchers were able to overcome a person's sense of being inside their own body.
by shake n bake on Apr 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess
But if Tyshovnytsky is, supposedly, only 292 pounds, how can he play guard?
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-All-American Strength and Conditioning Athlete of the Year
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AnNokCIYNZoJ:nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php%3Fpyid%3D114188%26draftyear%3D2010%26genpos%3DOT+andrew+Tyshovnytsky+nfldraftscout&cd=3&hl=hu&ct=clnk&gl=hu&client=firefox-a
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/09/fordham-qb-skelton-attracts-a-crowd/
yeah, he weighed in at 317 at his Pro Day
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Just how deeply can your senses be wrong? With some VR goggles, a camera and a touch on the back researchers were able to overcome a person's sense of being inside their own body.
by shake n bake on Apr 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.fordhamsports.com/view.gal?id=65302
Look at him running the 3-cone, like a monster with 0 % body fat.
6th pic. backwards.
Baby J
it is then. Maybe we’ll get to see Edge on the sidelines often this year.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
THIS ^
oh! And i wonder if Hart will request ‘his’ #20, now that Rushing is gone, which frees up #32 for when Edge retires.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
I like it!
That would work out very well. I wonder when Edge will officially retire…would be nice to watch a ceremony this year. And Marv too for that matter.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You know
I was thinking about it this the other day. Edge has had a while off and Marv has had a year off. If both of them have been at least keeping a solid workout going, then I think they can still play. Both have gas left in the tank. Makes me wonder sometimes.
Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!
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I love it.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Dead week just might be the best college invention ever. Now if only we didn't have any classes during the week at all......
Really?...
Again, I’ll repeat this for people who can’t seem to understand the obvious: Adam Vinatieri will be the kicker for the Colts in 2010. Polian said he is “on schedule” this past weekend, and gave no hint whatsoever that the Colts are looking for an option other than AV.
I’m not normally one to bash you for what you write, but that statement is nonsensical, borderline schmuckish. How many times has BP said a player was “on schedule” only for said player to miss substantially more time than originally “scheduled”? Why wouldn’t BP look to get more value from the position? According to coltscap.net AV is scheduled to make 2.7 mil next year. Wouldn’t it be logical for the Colts to pay an undrafted kicker significantly less than AV; provided that said undrafted kicker was as good as or only a marginally worse kicker than AV.
All that being said, I love Vinatieri, (there aren’t a whole lot of professional football players coming out of South Dakota, let alone Rapid City where I live!) I even catch an occasional Colts game with his parents at a local watering hole, (Thirsty’s in downtown Rapid City for anyone passing through on Sundays during football season) and I hope you are right and he is the kicker for the Colts next season, but I don’t think it is “obvious.”
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Apr 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Colts
I’ve spoken to many people. The Colts feel AV will be their kicker in 2010. Even if they didn’t have confidence in him, who else is out there? Swenson isn’t going to take the job from him, and any thoughts of McAfee punting, kicking-off, and kicking field goals are just nonsensical.
However, you get points for using the word “schmuckish.” Me like.
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what else is out there?
If nothing else, Stover is still available to kick just as well and at half the cost.
I’ve got nothing against Vinatieri, but lets face it, we’re paying him premium money for past performance that isn’t likely to be repeated. He is clearly not the best kicker in the NFL, and yet we pay him like he is.
by TheNoodleMan on Apr 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares how much we pay him?
There’s no cap. And, unlike Stover, Vinatieri can hit a kick over 50 yards.
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I think
you’re mixing up Vin with Vanderjagt. Really tho, I think we can hang on to him one more year without anything drastically affecting the Colts game. We do need to think about it, and picking up the Swenson shows they are.
On a tangent, I’m not sure I see how a kicker shouldn’t be ready to come right in and be effective. It’s the same job he would have had in college except maybe more pressure. All other conditions are the same. Either you’re accurate or you suck.
yeah, though Vinny's long range (50+) stats aren't great
2 for 5 in Indy
10 for 22 in his career
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Just how deeply can your senses be wrong? With some VR goggles, a camera and a touch on the back researchers were able to overcome a person's sense of being inside their own body.
by shake n bake on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically there's no cap on how much I can spend on my house either
That doesn’t mean I can just go out and get a $5 million home
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Apr 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't have that kind of money sitting around?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Dead week just might be the best college invention ever. Now if only we didn't have any classes during the week at all......
Thank you!
Finally, someone explains this ‘no cap’ year in a way everyone can relate to. Folks who keep suggesting the Colts go out and sign these expensive free agents should read this.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
No cap doesn't mean unlimited money
The “No Cap argument” is going to be the go to line for every lazy hack this year. It is going to be used incessantly to argue for all kinds of bad deals.
The Colts don’t have an unlimited amount of money. There is an amount budgeted to player costs, we may not know exactly what it is, but I can assure you they have a number. Every dollar overpaid to one player is money that could be better allocated to other talent.
If you want to argue that Vinny is worth the extra million then go ahead, but just saying “There is no cap lets throw money like it grows on trees” is silly.
As far as the 50 yard argument, it is pretty tough to be sure that Vinny’s leg is much stronger than Stover’s. If you’ve watched them warm up in pregame, they both top out around 55-57 yards.
While Stover hasn’t hit a 50 yarder in a game since 2006 the reality is that 50 yard FGs are rare events that lead to very small sample sizes. The conditions for a 50 yard attempt are pretty rare and don’t come up very often. You need the right mix of score, time remaining, location on the field, weather, etc. All of that means that kickers don’t get a lot of shots at them. Vinatieri himself once went 5 full seasons without hitting a 50 yard FG. It didn’t mean he couldn’t do it, just that he missed his few limited opportunities. Stovers current (shorter) drought from 50 yards could be just as meaningless.
by TheNoodleMan on Apr 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of that list
Me thinks White makes it over Giguere at WR, one of the OTs make it over Federkeil, and Newton makes it as DB. Also the MAC has been a pretty good supplier of QBs to the NFL in recent years, so maybe Hiller does have a shot. There are usually at least 2 DBs on the PS every year, so Turner and King could end up sticking around as well.
I would like to see Brandon James make it so Fisher would stick to CB. We all know the attrition rate for corners on this team.
kid looks like a player for sure
possible depth at FS. looks to be better than silva from those highlights.
"Peyton Manning feels no pressure, he applies it"
Tim Hiller
Perhaps will be better than Painter and make the team as the second string. Odder things have happened.
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Maybe
I still like Painter. Unlike Sorgi, he can throw it deep.
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unlike sorgi,
he’s a dumbsh*t, and a liability as a clipboard holder.
Sorry, that’s my purdue bias showing through again.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
I don't see them having 3 QB's again.
Waste of a roster spot.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Dead week just might be the best college invention ever. Now if only we didn't have any classes during the week at all......
Schefter gave us props for signing Hiller
Said it was a great UDFA signing.
"If you define your personality as creative, it only means you understand what is perceived to be creative by the world at large, so you're really just following a rote creative template. That's the opposite of creativity. Everybody is wrong about everything, just about all the time.
But ANYWAY..."
— Chuck Klosterman
by Addai Another Aday on Apr 27, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
having never seen Hiller play
one thing that is appealing to me is his height. In fact Hiller, Painter and Willy are all 6’4", an inch shorter than Manning.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Roster Size
Aren’t we limited to 80 in the off season? I think we have nearly 90 players between the roster on Colts.com and all the udfa’s mentioned. I guess until rookies are signed they don’t count?
I wonder how many of these FA’s are cut right after mini camp.
by smonroe on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think the limits kick in until training camp.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Dead week just might be the best college invention ever. Now if only we didn't have any classes during the week at all......
I'm interested in what Swenson has to offer
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Tyshovnytsky
Andrew Tyshovnytsky isn’t 292 hes 6’5 319 hes was 292 his sophomore year he also ran a 4.91 40 which made him the fastest lineman in the draft he put up 225 37 times and I read his heaviest max out ever was 535 lbs! He was an He will deffinitely be factor for the Colts ina few years, im just surprised he didn’t get drafted in the 5th or 6th round.
Swenson
I saw some footage of this guy practicing some “tee shots” He seems too erratic to be taken seriously at this point. AV has nothing to worry about this year…although he won’t return the following season
White and James make the roster
Hiller, James, and Polish name make the PS.
Welcome to the Colts, Jerry Hughes!
I really like Vuna
Don’t know if he’s ready for the big time, but he plays fast, hits hard, and seems to have a knack to be in the right place.
I can't stand Vuna
Oh wait – he’s no longer Cal’s competitor. I LOVE Vuna!
How can you not love a team that does this?
haha... fickle!
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
Brett Swenson
I’m not sure how I feel about him. I just don’t think he makes the team unless AV has some lingering health concerns. Not trying to start an argument BBS, just simply trying to state that if we are going to go with someone who can’t kick any 50+ FGs, then we might as well go with the clutch guy who has been historically accurate than the newbie who may just as easily crumble under pressure. I’d risk the newbie pressure test if we were looking at a guy who had a legitimate shot at making a 55 yarder. We couldn’t expect Swenson to make that. If we are going to draft AVs replacement, I think they’ll go for a guy with a serious leg who is atleast capable of 50/50 from 50-55 yards out. The way it is currently, I’d only give Swenson and AV a 20/80 shot from that range. Still, as I said, if the colts are signing a kicker this year I think it’ll be because they aren’t sure Vinny’s gonna be able to open the year pre=season/regular, and need someone cheap to fill in for the immediate future. I do agree though that as soon as Vinny comes back to 100%, or close to it, he is the starter regardless.
I haven't found out where Tiffin signed yet.
Anybody heard anything?
"If you define your personality as creative, it only means you understand what is perceived to be creative by the world at large, so you're really just following a rote creative template. That's the opposite of creativity. Everybody is wrong about everything, just about all the time.
But ANYWAY..."
— Chuck Klosterman
by Addai Another Aday on Apr 27, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think he has signed.
Still, I don’t like his lack of leg strength alot. Love his accuracy, but not very keen unless he can start showing us some 45-55 yard mojo.
he had a better record from outside 50 than Swenson
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Just how deeply can your senses be wrong? With some VR goggles, a camera and a touch on the back researchers were able to overcome a person's sense of being inside their own body.
by shake n bake on Apr 27, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda hard not too. Swenson only made 3 50+ FGs in his college career.
I think he was like 20-30% from 50+, and I just think that if we are drafting our new franchise kicker, we’ve got to get a guy sitting more along the lines of 50% from 50+
yeah, that's why I ignored Swenson when I was lusting over a kicker to replace Vinny
if we aren’t getting 50+ range then why bother taking the risk that he can’t hack it accuracy-wise. 2.4mil is a lot, but not sure if I’m willing to take that risk for it.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Just how deeply can your senses be wrong? With some VR goggles, a camera and a touch on the back researchers were able to overcome a person's sense of being inside their own body.
by shake n bake on Apr 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
headed to camp with the Browns
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2010/04/alabamas_leigh_tiffin_is_heade.html
How can you not love a team that does this?
All this kicker talk really has me wanting the Colts to draft Kai Forbath next year
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"All winning teams are goal-oriented. Teams like these win consistently because everyone connected with them concentrates on specific objectives. They go about their business with blinders on; nothing will distract them from achieving their aims."
--Lou Holtz, former Notre Dame football coach
I really don't mind who we draft at kicker just so long as they meet 1 criteria;
They kick 50+ yard field goals with atleast 50% accuracy or better, and 40-49 with 80% or better.
We won’t ever really know how clutch a kicker is until they get tested in a situation that requires them to make a game winning field goal on a professional national stage from time to time. Still I think training under Vinny would help improve the odds a new kicker would be calmer. I just think that the biggest thing we need in a new kicker is leg strength, which means proven ability to hit 50 yarders. I don’t know about any kickers for next year, I just know none of the ones this year had the recoreded leg strength.
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