The Big Lead acting like schmucks again on the subject of cheating
Wrap your minds around this gem:
The NCAA investigation that's been going on since 2006 is supposedly close to an end. Pete Carroll fled to the NFL where he'll be free from sanctions. So will USC lose its National Championship? Will Reggie Bush lose his Heisman? Does it matter? These things happened. Writers need to stop acting like anyone besides writers care. Brian Cushing, Reggie Bush, what's the difference?
Dear The Big Lead,
Lots of people outside of the writers at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, which is who TBL is referring to when they say "writers," care as to whether or not USC is sanctioned for cheating. These people are called "fans." Some of these fans are people who root for USC. Others are people who root against them. If you ever attend a USC v. Notre Dame, you'd know that's a sizable number of people.
If USC is found guilty of violations, that's a pretty significant black mark on Pete Carroll's career there. Sure, he might have avoided "official" punishment by bolting USC for the NFL, but if guilty the cheating taints everything he accomplished there; his legacy, if you will. If they cheated, and that cheating directly, or even in some cases indirectly, resulted in them winning National Championships, then the titles should be taken away from them.
I think we all realize that the event that was the National Championship Game happened. Two of those events resulted in USC winning titles. However, the people who watched those games, and, more importantly, spent hard-earned money to attend the game, went into them thinking the playing field was reasonably level. It wasn't crooked recruiting or under-the-table payments that gave USC the 2003 and 2004 BCS Championships. It was that USC was simply the better team. They had done a better job playing, coaching, and recruiting than the other team within the rules.
Those last few italicized words are important.
Now, if USC violated those rules, then the championships they won are no longer legit. It means they voided the competitive "spirit of the game," and thus their right to be referred to as National Champions. Therefore, those rights (and the shiny trophies that go with them) should go to the team that followed the rules.
The same goes with individual awards. Contrary to your thinking there at TBL, fans want to see cheaters stripped of awards. They want to see the homerun record returned to Roger Maris. If Reggie Bush cheated, they'd want to see his Heisman Award taken from him and given to someone like Vince Young, who (likely) did not violate NCAA rules by taking money or gifts to play in NCAA games. They want to see Brian Cushing's rookie of the year award given to someone who doesn't have illegal muscle drugs pumping through his veins. Why else has there been backlash against the AP voters who re-voted to give Cushing his award even though they knew he cheated? Fans want to see the cheaters busted and kicked out of the sport while the people who, in general, followed the rules get rewarded.
If they don't get that, then fans have a tendency to stop watching the f*cking sport. See NBA and MLB for references.
So, no offense TBL, but you have a habit of viewing things only through the binoculars of an annoying New York sports fan, especially one inclined to root for the Jets (which makes you both annoying and lacking in basic hygiene).
In the area west of the Hudson River, which pretentious New Yorkers, like yourselves, often refer to as "wasteland," we kind of care about this cheating stuff. Why else do you think people STILL want to see the New England Patriots stripped of their three rings because of Spygate? That crap happened three years ago and people continue to talk about it! If we Colts fans found out tomorrow that Peyton Manning has been juicing since his rookie year, I tell you that just about every Indy fan from Seymour to South Bend would line-up to throw stones and gasoline cocktails at Peyton's house. They'd drag him out in his bath robe, stick his head under a guillotine, and chant "Cut that meat!"
Fans. Don't. Like. Cheating.
They want to see cheaters punished. A good way to punish cheaters is to strip them of awards and titles. It sends a strong message by tarnishing the legacy of the person or institution that enabled or participated in the cheating. And what is sports but a long, prolonged, detailed narrative of a person or organization's legacy? And if a governing body such as the NCAA or the NFL refuses to punish the cheaters, then what happens is the infectious disease known as "apathy" will set it, and fans will stop viewing sports as spirited competition and more as mindless entertainment on par with reality shows.
What about this don't you guys understand? Is sports nothing but a money machine to you? If that's all it is, you guys are f*cking sad.
Sincerely,
-Sanctimonious Colts Fan (aka BBS)
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"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on May 17, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
While I'm happy to see this... let's not play into his martyr's complex
We’re still just ignorant fans who blindly follow our team. BBS bears a cross that all of us are too naive and ignorant to ever even comprehend.
Here’s a video that will help you understand what poor BBS is going through:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKSJN3WWR3E
"'Tis the time's plague when madmen lead the blind."
Any NCAA DI-A "National Championship" isn't legitimate anyway as long as the BCS exists
Insert Clever Statement Here
(Because I haven't have a chance to post a "BCS SUCKS!" post in a while)
Insert Clever Statement Here
BTW, USC didn't win the 2003 BCS Title.
LSU did. USC won the AP Title.
Maybe the NCAA should investigating the cheating body known as the BSC first.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Or the people who cast votes
First in the AP poll now the Harris Interactive poll. Could they have choosen a worse poll to include as one of the three components? Wow.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 17, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I'm in the minority (maybe?) here, but hear me out...
I agree fans do not like cheating.
But…
In big time college sports, I think most fans suspect that marquee players like Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Sam Bradford, John Wall, Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, etc. are brought to their respective universities under not-always-the-most-ethical of situations. Fans of these schools will often be purposefully oblivious to, and often in painful denial of, potential infractions. While opponents often cheer against these schools, accusing coaches of cheating and worse.
The same can be said about pro baseball and football. How many of us cheered for McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, A-Rod, Clemens, et al because we didn’t want to believe that PEDs were enhancing their games? How many Chargers fans still root for Shawne Merriman? I know from our perch here as Colts fans, we can look down at other fans and franchises and bemoan their lack of dignity and responsibility, but if we found out (or even heard a rumor suggesting as much) that Peyton Manning had been taking Adderol or Retalin illegally all of these years to do what he does (God forbid), how many of us would cheer for him still?
The point is, while many of us would like to be sanctimonious about player conduct and ethics, many, and I dare say most, of us simply cannot. We are all guilty of blindly cheering for laundry. Until we own up to that, we are no better, and perhaps worse than, those “writers” TBL mentioned in the first place.
Cards, Colts, and Pacers - Baseball, football, and basketball or gambling, guns, and old cars?
Maybe this should have been a FanPost
If discussion here gets too out of hand, I will post and link to one.
Cards, Colts, and Pacers - Baseball, football, and basketball or gambling, guns, and old cars?
"How many of us cheered for McGwire"
I did, as a Cardinals fan.
However, that doesn’t excuse his actions. Cardinals fans have forgiven him now that he’s a coach, but if we had known he was cheating while he was playing it probably would have been a different story.
Also, I don’t suspect that Sam Bradford, OJ Mayo, or Derrick Rose, and players like them were brought to the school unethically. I wouldn’t be surprised if they WERE but we cannot assume that someone came to a school unethically just because they’re highly touted. It IS entirely possible that a player will go to a school simply because that school is a good and has a long, strong tradition.
St. Louis Cardinals and Indy Colts fan. Avid fan of the Springfield Cardinals, the Cards' AA team!
This is a balanced write-up!
strong work…
But I am a Jets fan…sorry :(
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
No need to be sorry... you can't help where you live.
oh wait… yes, you can. nevermind.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
I would never throw anything to Peyton.
And if I ever get near to that sanctuary of his house, I would knock and ask for an autograph.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
Leonard: "Sheldon, why is this letter in the trash?"
Sheldon: "Well, there's always the possibility that a trash can spontaneously formed around the letter, but Occam's Razor would suggest that someone threw it out."
Last piece of Colts merch added to my collection: iPod Touch skin.
One of these days
I plan to “break down” in front of his house. =-)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on May 18, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I can give you directions!
I pass by it every now and then. My wife hates it because if there’s no cars behind us I’ll slow down to a crawl to see if I can see anything!
PSN ID: etid5353
Current excuse for not leaving the house: Final Fantasy XIII
GO BUTLER!!
LOL
When I finally make it to Indy, it is DEFINITELY on my list of things to do.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on May 18, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
All I can say is...
Hopefully Ashley isn’t home!
PSN ID: etid5353
Current excuse for not leaving the house: Final Fantasy XIII
GO BUTLER!!
I must say...
the comment thread in the linked story at the Big Lead is the greatest comment thread in the history of comment threads….
COMB THE DESERT!
"If it's one thing I don't need, it's your "I-don't-think-that's-wise" attitude!"
- Captain Zapp Brannigan
by Marked Hoosier on May 17, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
Cheaters
Are still cheaters in my book. Reggie Bush should never have won the Heisman in the first place, but the fact that he was being paid to play is even worse.
People who are convicted of juicing should get a 1 year ban, followed by a lifetime ban if any additional incidents happen.
I got something different from The Big Lead's blurb
I don’t read the TBL piece as saying that nobody cares about cheaters. I read it as “nobody cares about the NCAA investigation”. Because, seriously, four years? And the NCAA doesn’t even have the authority to strip Bush of his Heisman or strip USC of the AP title? The NCAA is in a spot where any punishment harsh enough to get anyone’s attention is going to end up being too harsh on a bunch of kids who weren’t anywhere near USC when the actual infractions happened. And the NCAA did it to themselves with their half-assed approach to regulating the business of college sports.
I would like to see the cheaters punished in an effective way, I just have zero faith in the NCAA’s ability to make that happen.
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
by szquirrel on May 18, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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