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Free agency after the Colts make Peyton Manning the richest man in creation

Currently, there is no salary cap. This means, in my mind, any talk of "salary ceiling" or a cap on expenses is ludicrous when it comes to the Colts.

In the past, the only thing holding a team like ours back from signing people was the cap. Now, it's gone, and I don't buy into any of this crap about keeping a "budget" and making "fiscally conservative" decisions. The bottom line here is winning, and since the Colts make a boatload of green because of Manning while, at the same time, playing in a very nice, new stadium for virtually nothing, I don't want to hear about anything other than the team doing absolutely everything they can to win.

If that means spending a ton of money on players, so be it. Again, with no cap come new expectations. Now, if the cap returns, and I very much hope it does, expectations on the roster change. I go back to fully and completely understanding the need fill holes with draft picks while signing our homegrown stars to big extensions.

That said, regardless of whether a cap returns or not, the Colts are going to sign Peyton Manning to a contract extension soon that will make him the highest paid player in football. If anyone complains about this, they'll get ignored and, possibly, laughed at. A quarterback who wins four league MVPs (an NFL record) can pretty much name his own price. And despite what some idiots may suggest, even with Manning demanding a hefty salary the Colts should still have more than enough money to sign other players.

Again, there's no cap. So, Mr. Irsay, don't feed me this bull about possibly not having enough to sign other potential free agents:

"You have to be careful with all of your signings to make sure you have enough money to spread around to all of the players," he said recently. "You look at guys like Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon. These are guys you're going to want to keep down the road.

"You've got to make sure you're able to do that."

Again, given that the Colts play in a stadium for free, and made a ton of bread last year after hosting two playoff games, including the AFC Championship (their second hosting in four years), I'm going to say that this team should have the money to pretty much sign whoever they want. Obviously, I have no access to the Colts books (they aren't made available to press and the public, which is a major point in the current labor talks), but I'm not so dumb as to just accept that the Colts will be cash-strapped after they pay Big P a mint.

That's a load of bull.

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And for players like Collie and Garcon, both are up for free agency in 2012 and 2011, respectively, if Garcon goes out there in 2010 and has a better season than 2009, he'll warrant a better contract than his 6th Round rookie deal. However, the Colts cannot be stupid enough to pay him Reggie Wayne money, can they?

Now, if Garcon has an 80-catch, 1000 yard, 7 TD season, then yes; he'll warrant, and likely get, a big contract from either the Colts or someone else.

By the way, notice who is absent from the "guys you're going to want to keep down the road" category Mr. Irsay discussed? Just saying, as I duck behind the desk, waiting for the rocks to be thrown.

If the Colts are worried about re-signing someone like Antoine Bethea, then re-sign him now. Again, there is no cap, and I'm fairly certain you've got the money, Irsay. At the very least, you should have the money. Maybe that is why Antoine hasn't signed his tender.

The other big free agents looming are Melvin Bullitt, Clint Session, Adam Vinatieri, Charlie Johnson, Daniel Muir, and Antonio Johnson. Bullitt is a luxury, and whether or not the Colts re-sign him will have more to do with Bob Sanders than anything else. Right now, Bob Sanders' contract extension was a mistake. He's done very little to earn the 5-year, $37.5 million deal since signing it in December 2007. If Bob plays the entire (or most) of the 2010 season, bye-bye Bullitt. If Bob stays true to Bob's norm, and misses half or a significant chunk of the NFL season, it's likely bye-bye Bob, hello Bullitt. Session is a goner because that's what the Colts do to weakside backers (see Cato June and Freddy Keiaho as examples). Vinatieri will be 38 this time next year, and by then it will be time to move on from the future-Hall of Famer.

Charlie Johnson is a nice utility player, but not worth big money. This is why it is so crucial for Tony Ugoh to develop. If he doesn't, the Colts have a huge problem. Muir and Johnson are solid players, but neither will command big salaries. Likely the Colts keep Johnson because he plays the "overtackle" spot.

So, again, under the current conditions (no cap), I personally don't want to hear any crap about not being able to sign people. If and when a cap returns, then I can understand the need to be cautious. However, right now, we don't even know if there will be football past this season.

Just so people know where I'm coming from, when the talk involves dollars and cents (or sense), I am much less forgiving of the Colts now than I was ten years ago. We're not talking about a team that struggles with blackouts, or is caught up in some out-dated stadium deal. They don't have to share space with another team (like the Giants and Jets) or deal with any real local competition (because the Indiana Pacers suck right now). The Colts make A TON OF MONEY, and as a fan I expect that money to go back into the team. Jim Irsay was rich long before Peyton Manning was drafted #1 overall in 1998, and if all he is doing is pocketing the money a "team of the decade"-type club that Manning has generated, that would pretty much piss me off.

The money should go to the players who win the games. So, no offense, but if I hear one whiff about this club not being able to sign a player like Antoine Bethea because of "Manning's contract," I might just lose my mind. This club most certainly has the money, and if they are unwilling to use that money to make the team better, that is an insult to the paying fan.

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Just because there’s no cap now doesn’t mean there won’t be a cap in the future. The Colts need to keep everything reasonable, contract wise, otherwise when there is a cap again they’re going to be stuck holding the bag on some of these guys.

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by MonkeyBusiness on May 19, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Beat me to it

You’re right. If the Colts lock themselves into a lot of expensive multi-year contracts now they could really kill themselves in a year or two.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 19, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

Even big spenders Washington and Dallas were mostly silent this offseason. There’s too much uncertainty.

That said, like it or not, and believe it or not, the Colts have a budget. It’s a small market. They aren’t going to just go out and outspend the league because we want them to.

I think the cap will be back anyway.

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by willyduer on May 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off

If you want to say anyone that complains of Manning’s contract will be ignored or laughed at because he’s won 4 MVP’S? Well, I laugh at that. Does 4 MVP’S transfer in to 4 rings? I don’t think so…yes, I will complain about Manning’s new contract if your basing it off performance, because in Manning’s tenure, we only have 1 Super Bowl. I don’t give a hoot about 4 MVP’S…I want rings to show for it, MVP’S mean nothing, if you cant win the BIG one.

by gteare28 on May 19, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there are more gauges of performance than just rings

Based on that basis Tom Brady is a better QB. Manning gives us the best chance to win on offense – I don’t think there is any question on that.

What the Colts need to do is realize there is this other unit that takes the field every now and then called Special Teams. All too often they are treated like the Opps-is-there-supposed-to-be-someone-out-on-the-field-now Team.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think fans of the Lions and Browns

would kill for “1 Superbowl” in a decade.

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by P0RKINS2 on May 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

About 75% of the league would.

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by KMR24 on May 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a stupid argument

There are 32 teams in the league. Winning one title in ten years is a big accomplishment. The Patriots had an historic run, so that dwarfs the Colts and everyone else, but that doesn’t mean the Colts have been massive failures. We all wish they had won more, of course, but the more important thing is to keep the best player in place for a shot at more going forward.

*It should be noted that I don’t necessarily agree with the sentiment that Peyton should be given a record setting mega contract, or with Irsay’s negotiating tactic of basically saying “we’re going to give him the biggest deal ever.” But that’s another discussion entirely.

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by willyduer on May 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 years 100 million is the most he should get.

And even that, heavily back-loaded, so it would essentially be a 5 year 82 million contract. This would make him the highest paid player until Rivers, Eli and Rogers come up again in 5 years.

I laugh at, but can’t ignore people who are in a bidding war. I even heard 6 years 150 million from fans. I don’t know why it means so much to have the highest paid player on your team. It means nothing to success. Only gives you a bad feeling, when it doesn’t materialize in a SB championship.

To sum it up. Peyton should be the highest paid, but barely. He will be 35+ under that contract after all.

by Ty46 on May 19, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I never understood

the reason to give Manning the huge salary. Sure he deserves it but if I was him and wanted to cement my legacy as the best ever, I would take less money and have the team secure some other key players and possibly bring in some free agents (McNeil, Gaither) so we can win more championships. He has to have more than enough money by now with all the endorsements plus the 90 million he made on his last contract. Plus his family and brother are also loaded. Am I crazy to think this?

by DFreeney on May 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Kurt Warner, I believe, took a pay cut to keep Bolden

And he did it for much the same reasons you lay out. It would seem to be a good strategy. But at the same time you’d have to ensure that the team ACTUALLY WOULD go out and spend that money on getting better talent. You wouldn’t want to leave dollars on the table without some sort of contractual agreement to spend those dollars on better talent.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 19, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was only for $1 million dollars

and he didn’t have to do it since Boldin didn’t sign an extension or new contract.

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by KMR24 on May 19, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Fitzgerald that took a pay cut.

Hell, coulda been both.

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by etid5353 on May 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much ado about nothing

If he didn’t deserve it he wouldn’t get it. I’d like to see the reaction if he didn’t what is offered and told everyone to shove it and went elsewhere…….yeh yeh I know it’ll never happen but c’mon. Irsay and management will also make sure they keep those other players happy in the coming years. It’s what they do!!!!

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

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by Gottaluvcolts on May 19, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m sorry BBS, but some of what you’ve said in this post just comes off as ignorant and combative for seemingly no apparent reason. Yes there is no cap, which should be alot of free agents get resigned to front loaded contracts. But you ignore two important factors which I feel Irsay was talking about in his quote. 1: The cap will likely return once the new CBA is negotiated, so you don’t want to be in a position where you can’t resign players down the road because all your money is already tied up in other players. 2: The Colts have to have the capital to cover any contract made. For as much money as the Colts make, Indy is still a mid-market team and need to remain fiscially conscious to avoid a future finanical meltdown, a la Greece.

And no DFreeney, you’re not crazy. There are alot of people, myself included, who think Peyton should willingly take a smaller contract to help the Colts win. But it probably won’t happen.

by 2ndBlueGeneration on May 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

OPM - Other Peoples Money

I agree 100 percent. And since Stampede Blue’s responsibility is to its readers I suggest you send each of us at least a hundred bucks each week since we’re part of your team. After all you have sponsors, right?

See, I’m pretty generous with other people’s money too!

by smonroe on May 19, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

OPM - Other Peoples Money

I agree 100 percent. And since Stampede Blue’s responsibility is to its readers I suggest you send each of us at least a hundred bucks each week since we’re part of your team. After all you have sponsors, right?

See, I’m pretty generous with other people’s money too!

by smonroe on May 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

/TAC'd

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by KMR24 on May 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention...

there is a rule currently in place to keep teams (Dallas, Washington) from blowing a lot of money in an uncapped year…(emphasis mine)

This would be a good plan if it weren’t nearly impossible. Under the CBA, any salary decrease of greater than 50% from one year to the next becomes a signing bonus and is then spread out over the life of the deal. For example, if the Texans signed DeMeco Ryans to a deal with a $30M salary in 2010 and a $5M salary in 2011 (capped), that $25M difference would become a signing bonus and be prorated over the life of the deal. I suppose a team could always roll the dice and bet on that rule being abrogated in the new CBA, but I don’t see it happening.

This is a great article written by MDC over at BRB.

So, my understanding is that the owners have to keep in mind that there may be a cap sometime in the coming seasons or basically they end up shooting themselves in the foot.

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by peytonsthebest on May 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

OK, say they sign everybody

What happens next year when the cap comes back? Making the team work this year isn’t worth a flurry of cuts next year just to fit under the cap. It would be different if the cap was going to be gone for a while but does anyone really expect this to last more than one year?

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by szquirrel on May 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Jim Irsay

Irsay has never been cheap in the past. In fact, he has sold personal keepsakes for player’s bonus money. The Colts always spend at maximum cap level. I don’t like the insinuation that Irsay is or would try to be “Bidwell-like” and pocket money at the expense of his team. There has never been an inkling of that in the past and I see no reason to think there would be in the future.

by coltus on May 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec.

Jim Irsay is hardly cheap.

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by peytonsthebest on May 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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If that means spending a ton of money on players, so be it. Again, with no cap come new expectations. Now, if the cap returns, and I very much hope it does, expectations on the roster change. I go back to fully and completely understanding the need fill holes with draft picks while signing our homegrown stars to big extensions.

So spend a ton of money and possibly but yourself in a whole for future seasons but you want the cap back too? This doesn’t make sense to me.

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by NYKings on May 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Jeez

re-reading this hurts…

put*
hole*

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by NYKings on May 20, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

As every government in the history of mankind would surely attest,

it’s infinitely easier to spend from the pockets of others.

Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.

by linkish on May 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

get a grip, it is what it is

Honest folks they should can, sack or just delete Bob Sanders, yep he was voted offensive player of the year once, and after that the money trail says he hasnt done nothing to earn his keep, let him go and re organize around solid talent that can stay on the field longer than a season.If the team wants to just throw away money then make smart and or better choices, Peyton Manning is not worth all the money he is due. I’m for the guy but his time has come and Im not mad at him, but he is only good for mvps’ and thoses dont realy dont transfer into superbowl rings, getting close isnt the same. Close the deal and win some superbowls is the name of the game, not get paid and almost get there. It aint personal but its football.

 Every likes the fact that yeah he is good but, let that speak on the field. Manning is great I agree. Superbowls are better!

by real 2 it all on May 19, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I just vomited.

Guess I should’ve stopped reading after “yep he was voted offensive player of the year once”

my mistake

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by etid5353 on May 19, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

suk'dd

You sir do not know what you are talking about.

Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I'm in a police station.

by TouchdownColts on May 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm impressed

How many interceptions must one get before they are considered part of the offense?

by Selador on May 19, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

..."re organize around solid talent that can stay on the field longer than a season."

Yeah?

How do you propose to measure that?

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by linkish on May 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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