Robert Mathis staying away from Colts OTAs; wants a new deal
Robert Mathis is one of my favorite Colts. I know he reads this site and I know he cares about what Colts fans think. So, because of that, I express regret at his decision to avoid OTAs in favor of a new deal.
From Mike Chappell, via PFT:
Robert Mathis' desire for an enhanced contract has resulted in the team's two-time Pro Bowl defensive end avoiding the ongoing organized team activities, according to an individual with knowledge of the situation....
Mathis, 29, has two years remaining on a front-loaded $30 million contract he signed in 2006. He's due a base salary of $2.31 million this season and $2.4million in 2011.
Robert was a 5th Round pick out of little known Alabama A&M back in 2003.So, when he got that $30 million dollar deal back in 2006, it was a bit of a coup. The reason the contract was front-loaded is that the Colts likely wanted the last two years of Mathis' salary to be manageable. $2.3 and $2.4 mill for 2010 and 2011, respectively, is VERY manageable for a player of Mathis' caliber.
But, as Michael David Smith of PFT makes clear:
But it's hard to see how Mathis has very much leverage. The Colts signed him to a front-loaded contract worth $30 million in 2006, and he still has two more seasons on that deal. He's due base salaries of $2.31 million in 2010 and $2.4 million in 2011. The whole reason teams sign players to front-loaded long-term contracts is so that they can lock a player in for affordable salaries down the road. If the team was going to agree to renegotiate down the road, there was no reason to agree to a front-loaded deal.
The other point Smith makes is the Colts aren't going to do a damn thing with Mathis until Peyton Manning is locked up for the rest of his career. Manning's contract ends in 2011, and the Colts will likely offer him a contract fairly soon that will make him the highest paid player in the NFL. As I've said, when you win four MVPs, and a Super bowl MVP, you can pretty much "Priceline" your new contract.
So, for Robert Mathis to do this now is a bit silly. The team has people like Bob Sanders, Anthony Gonzalez, and Adam Vinatieri at OTAs. All those guys are coming back from serious injuries, and here they are busting their butts to get back on the field. If they are at the facility working, Robert Mathis should be too.
There's also the fact that Robert signed this contract knowing full and well that by 2010 and 2011, he'd be making 2.3 mill. For the average fan, the stance is "You signed it. Now, honor it." Also, with Mathis already pocketing somewhere in the region of $20 million over four years, complaining about a contract now just makes him look greedy.
However, from Robert's point of view, since his 2006 extension he's averaged just about 9 sacks a year and forced 18 total fumbles! With numbers like that, if Mathis were a free agent right now he'd see deals near (but not exceeding) DeMarcus Ware's $78 million dollar deal from last year. The reality though is Robert is NOT a free agent, and he is also NOT DeMarcus Ware. Robert signed his contract in 2006 knowing that 2010 and 2011 would be the "cheap" years. Complaining about it now, and hurting the team in the process, does not make sense.
Sorry Robert. I still love ya, but holding out of OTAs over this is very silly.
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Best case scenario, the Colts get the Manning deal done, then throw Mathis some extra cash. I’m pretty sure Peyton will be able to shake out $30 mil in spare change pretty soon.
Worst case scenario, Polian tells Mathis to go f*&^ himself and Mathis demands a trade.
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by MonkeyBusiness on May 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
2 years isn't too long to start talking extension, but I wouldn't expect a deal to get done for another year
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No, it isn't too long to start talking extension
but it is a bit early to make a statement by not participating in the OTAs. The team has held up it’s end of the bargain, so Mathis should hold up his.
Keep the faith!
did I hear that Mankins is doing the same thing over in Pats land?
How can you not love a team that does this?
His contract situation is different from that of Mathis
It certainly wasn’t front-loaded for one thing.
Mankins is one of those players that would have been an unrestricted free agent this year under the old rules, but now is restricted (and not too happy about it.) He is entering the last year of his five-year rookie contract signed back in 2005 so he’s got a bit more of a gripe about getting more money and a new contract hammered out sooner rather than later, than does Mathis.
Keep the faith!
oh and - generally I agree with you
The only thing that causes me to pause just for a split second is that contracts in the NFL aren’t guaranteed. So that kinda makes them not contracts in my simple mind. Strange business.
How can you not love a team that does this?
^^This
is exactly what I was thinking…
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by peytonsthebest on May 26, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bethea's contract was up he was a free agent
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by TheAngelsColts on May 26, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Bethea an RFA?
He just hasn’t signed his tender…wants a long-term deal…
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by peytonsthebest on May 26, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Uncapped?
It seems like there are more players than usual holding out during OTAs this year than during the past few. I wonder if agents are pushing those who are playing at bargain prices to hold out now since there is no cap. They have more of a chance hitting a big deal now rather than when later when there is a possiblilty that the cap may be back in play next year. I would imagine with Bethea currently unsigned, that he is also trying to negotiate a long term deal as well. If the salary cap does come back, will there be some sort of re-tightening for a few years to allow teams to get back under it if tehy sign way over it while it was out of place?
I think it has more to do with the threat of lockout in 2011 than the uncapped year
A new signing bonus would really ease the financial hardships of a lockout.
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by shake n bake on May 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
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by gizzardfanny on May 26, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
financial hardships?
He just got a 30 million dollar deal a couple years ago!!! If he has financial hardships, then he has more serious problems than a lockout.
Mathis, if you are reading this….your FANS have financial hardships, not you. You just got big money, now get your ass to work.
by coltus on May 26, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
If he has financial hardships, then Mathis has managing money issues. I don’t like the money I make at work, that doesn’t mean I don’t have to go and do my job. Why are these NFL players allowed to do whatever the hell they want? Mathis, you signed the contract, now honor it! If you don’t, and Hughes plays good in mini camp, you just might lose your starting job to a rookie!!!
You just got big money, now get your ass to work.
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by peytonsurdaddy on May 26, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez the dude got 30 frickin mil front loaded.....financial hardships????
He signed the deal…..for cripes sakes. It’s a chance you take when you sign. As far as I’m concerned, if he holds out he’s gambling on becoming second string to a promising rookie. When you sign a contract, you are giving your word. If he does force a trade, I hope he winds up in Detroit. Look, I love the guy but nobody (except Peyton) is irreplaceable. I really hate crap like this. Rich guys trying to renegotiate while under contract……Pisses me off.
I was talking about in general with the holdouts
which covers players paid both more and less.
and it’s pretty likely that all of those players have spent expecting to be able to continue making money at a similar if not increased rate. So while it might not be out on the streets or struggling to make ends meet hardship it could certainly be massive reduction in quality of life “hardship”. That might not be that sympathetic to most who see people much less well off struggling, but you can understand why they’d make noise about that. No one wants their income cut off.
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by shake n bake on May 26, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be ok with him renegotiating but it is just stupid that your holding out. Im sorry but now you are affecting your whole team by doing that.
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by TheAngelsColts on May 26, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^^this
Puzzling that a guy being paid bags full of money on a contract he signed for a pre determined and agreed to duration who plays on a perrenial playoff team would decline to keep his mouth shut for the good of the team and honor the terms of the contract he agreed to. I have no beef with athletes making bank, my beef is with signing contracts and trying to get out from under. Make a request for renegotiation, do not miss team functions or hold out, and if the answer is no, put your nose to the grindstone and play out your contract.
Its the sad part of the NFL,
but this part of the reason why Hughes was their #1 pick.
Bethea has a good point, he's still on his rookie contract making sixth-round money
even though he’s a two-time Pro Bowler. He needs to get paid.
But Mathis got a fat second contract, and he’s definitely lived up to it, but not necessarily outperformed it enough to get huge money with two years left.
Ane we were hoping Chris & Andre Johnson would be destructive to there teams with holdout, this can do same
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by bayone on May 26, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Mathis had done somethig - anything - in the Super Bowl
He’d have a stronger case. As it is, his success still seems to depend on Freeney being on the other side of the line.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 26, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
One game is not a good sample size
to describe someone’s career.
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And when it is the Super Bowl it makes a difference. Big players step up in big games. There is no game bigger than the Super Bowl. If you don’t show up in that game it will be noticed. If you do show up in that game it will be noticed.
Not stepping up in the biggest game of the year deserves attention. Mathis is fantastically important to the Colts D and pass rush in particular. However, I don’t think the case can be made that he’s been underpaid with his current contract.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 27, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh.....
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He's going to be 30ish at the end of this contract
30 is ancient in football years. That is going to hurt his market value when this contract is up, so I can see why he wants to get more $ why he still can. I can also see that the Colts have zero incentive to extend that contract this year, maybe next year they give him a two year extension and some more cash, if he has another good year this year.
Defense is more important than breathing.
Aren't OTAs voluntary?
Eh, the nfl is a business… and I don’t think Mr Mathis is missing anything at the moment.
And if Mr Mathis is reading this, you are the man. I look forward to your next sack/fumble. :)
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by Marked Hoosier on May 26, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
yes in the literal sense they are voluntary but teams also expect you to show up.
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by TheAngelsColts on May 26, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yet some never go, and don't miss a beat.
Mathis knows the system, isn’t coming back from injury… so if this is his way of sending a minor message, then so be it.
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by Marked Hoosier on May 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
if the difference to Freeney’s contract (which was signed after Mathis’) finally felt too big.
Hey, I deal with paying guys..........
If they have balls enough to bitch about what so and so makes, then the answer is simple. "We’re talking about YOUR salary. Not so and so’s. THIS is what you are worth to me. If you feel that is not enough, you have choices to make.
Hey guys
we have similar issues (as I’m sure 30 other teams do) over in 49er-land too. Manny Lawson missed all voluntary workouts thus far (as did Nate Clements, Michael Robinson, Shawntae Spencer, and Aubrayo Franklin) and the “rumor” is because he’s playing on the last year of his rookie deal and he wants more money. The other guys I mentioned are just doing their own workouts, not having to do with money, except Franklin who was the franchise designee and has yet to sign his tender.
The 49ers are also in a similar predicament in that we have to sign Vernon Davis this year, possibly Dashon Goldson, Franklin, and Alex Smith if he plays well. Lawson picked a bad time to cry about his contract. As we all know, the uncapped year only means the league wont cap your player salary spending…but the team still has to have the actual money to pay the signing bonus and salary this year. The 30% rule makes new deals have to have most of the money in signing bonus in order to get the total value of the deal up to snuff without violating the max “30% increase over last year’s salary” rule.
Good to know we’re not alone, though I didn’t suspect we were, and I too wish this part of the game weren’t what it is…
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This is not going to happen.
It’s that cut and dry. The Colts have generally been fairly loyal in rewarding their top performers when it comes to contract time. Mathis was rewarded for his play with a $30 million contract which by any account was more than fair. Right now, it is time to reward Bethea for his stellar play and rework Peyton’s deal. Next year it may be time to begin talking extension with Robert. At best, this is poor timing on Robert’s part and at worst could cast a sour tone on future negotiations.
The Colts can afford to make deals
with ALL THREE guys we’re talking about here. Aside from Peyton they don’t have to be top earners at their positions to get what they want. Pay up, Jim Irsay!
We don't have that much and after paying manning we will have a hard time paying the other two and then going and paying all the guys next year.
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by TheAngelsColts on May 26, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay for performance
Ya da ya da ya da. It would be great if Robert Mathis get paid for performance. Somebody is stealing money. Pay the man, now!

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