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Why I'm somewhat "meh" to Football Outsiders broken tackles stat system

Listen, I enjoy reading Football Outsiders and I very much appreciate all the outstanding stats work they do. Like Bill Simmons, I'm not a stats guy. I personally feel that football is a game where stats, more often than not, lie about the real truth behind a player, a game, a season, etc. But, what FO does with stats is very unique and, quite possibly, vital to the continued success of pro football.

That said, their broken tackles stats tracking blows.

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Well, ok, "blows" is probably not the best term. I guess, for me, the importance of measuring broken tackles is a bit of a head-scratcher. But, before I get into that, I'll post something from Aaron Schatz:

Some people might be surprised to see Indianapolis showing up so high on the list of broken tackles, but that's what happens when you have an undersized defense built around speed.

This is actually quite true.One of the main tenants of the Colts Tampa-2 scheme is to get as many people to the football as possible. "Fly to the ball!" as they say. The purpose of this is to have two smaller defenders do what one normally large defender does: Tackle the ball carrier. However, as is normally the case, most large defenders might be good tacklers, but they are also likely slow. A slow linebacker or defensive back in a Tampa-2 is a useless player. For you "old timers" out there, see Chad Cota.

Regarding the Colts, part of the reason their broken tackle numbers are so high is because their defenders are actually getting to the ball carrier and getting a piece of him. The first guy might not bring that ball carrier down, but the second and third guy will. One may even jar the football loose. This is vintage Tampa-2.

Looking at FO's numbers, the Colts had the most plays of any defense (1071) than any other team. Within those 1071, 81 were broken tackles for a rate of 7.6%, which is second worst of all 32 teams. The Detroit Lions, whose head coach is a big Cover-2 guru, was the worst with a 8.4% and 105 broken tackles.

Yet, the numbers for broken tackles do not seem to suggest teams that were "good" at tackling had stellar defenses. The St. Louis Rams are listed as the team with the least number of broken tackles (58). I don't think I need to go into too much detail as to how bad the Rams defense was last year. #2 on the list are the Denver Broncos, whose defense crumbled in the second half of the 2009 campaign. 

Even the #4 team, the Green Bay Packers, fielded an erratic defense last season. Look no further than their two horrid performances against the Vikings, and their awful defensive effort in the playoffs against the Cardinals. I watched all three of those games. If you are telling me the Packers "tackle well," I'm laughing in your face, stats be damned.

So, while I think this is a great stat to track, and while I am impressed with FO's efforts to track them, I'm not sold on it being an indicator of one team having a better defense than another. Obviously, FO is not saying tackles are the only stat that delineates between a "good" defense and a "bad" one. However, when people see that the Colts defense, which was quite good in 2009, is "worse" at tackling than the Rams defense was, it de-values the importance of the stats.

Indeed, when you see Paul Kuharsky post that Melvin Bullitt had the most broken tackles of any defender in the AFC South, it should not be a suggestion that Bullitt is now a "bad safety," or that he is worse at his position than the horrid Reggie Nelson or the over-rated Michael Griffin. Kuharsky explains:

There are different degrees of broken tackles permitted. I think most of us would agree Nelson and Robinson killed their teams at times by allowing monster plays when they were the last or close-to-the-last guy with a chance to drag a player down. Defensive back missed tackles can have a much more severe impact. (Bullitt and Bethea, playing with such fast help, probably had more guys getting in range to help, at least outside of the New England game.) A safety who played terribly like Michael Griffin is missing here, probably because on his worst plays people were running past him and he didn’t even have a chance to miss.

Again, I think it is great that FO is doing this work, but the system needs some refining. If someone were to tell me that Michael Griffin is a better tackler than Melvin Bullitt, and then toss this stat meter in my face as proof, I'd dismiss them as a Titans homer. I've watched both players, and it's pretty clear Bullitt is better at bringing down a ball carrier than Griffin.

Oh, and speaking of the New England Patriots game from last year, ask Kevin Faulk about what he thinks of Bullitt's tackling skills.

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Any stat that says Bullitt isn't a sure tackler

simply doesn’t pass the smell test. Or the eye test.

by slash196 on May 26, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think alot of it is simply him getting knocked off the ball carrier by the 2 or 3 other guys piling on.

Bullitt is usually one of the first there, and so I think broken tackles mean very little to a fast defense. Its blown tackles on one on one situations that should really be key. That would be more interesting to look at, but quite a bit more difficult to get data for.

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by Jamkel on May 26, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff BBS

Content’s been awesome this last little while. Keep up the good work!

by LikeButtah on May 26, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Even with Kuharsky massaging our brains

with “yes, buts” of logic, I can’t get behind this stat. Rec’d because I agree with you. Between reading this on ESPN earlier today and hearing about Mathis holding out it was a pretty crappy day for Colts news. I’m going to post this and go re read freeney/mathis sack stats thing again

by naptown_ninja on May 26, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course I have to be that dick

Who points out that you posted “Like Bill Simmons, I’m not a stats guy” one post after you made a big deal out of Mathis’ and Freeney’s sack stats. It’s obviously nitpicky, and I’ve been reading this blog to know that little contradictions like that happen from time to time, but it appears that you’re using the age old fallback position of being a stats guy when they’re positive, and not being a stats guy when they’re negative.

It’s your blog, and I’m not here to argue for or against your opinion, but it does get a bit confusing to decide what is important when you post something so blatantly contradictory to the post just before it.

Also, don’t be like Bill Simmons. That’s really all I’ve got today.

by EddieDean on May 26, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the contradiction is mostly in the inability to explain the results.

It is alot more difficult to explain what effect a broken tackle has on a team as compared to say a 74% end around sack statistic. Some stats just lend themselves to easy understanding, while others require alot of digging through and resolving the “ya, buts,” into a rational explanation why a team with a solid tackling defense can have more broken tackles than a bad defensive team that has less broken tackles. We’d like to be able to rationalize why having an good effort in something can also have a really bad statistic, but sometimes being rated worst in something isn’t as bad as the “worst,” would imply. I mean if you have alot of broken tackles, but multiple people are tackling all at once, that is alot less damning than if its a broken tackle and there is no one nearby to take they guy down quickly. Its kind of like explaining how Ryan Diem appears to be an adequate run blocker. He averages nearly 4 adjusted line yards per carry in run support, but every sense of your body screams bullshit. Until you factor in that when we have a running play Clark doesn’t bolt off to catch the ball down field, and instead stays and helps block on the right, statistics and sense don’t coexist peacefully. That is why we accept some statistics and throw out others, and keep a straight face the whole time.

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by Jamkel on May 26, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I totally agree with you on that point, and I believe that is what BBS was trying to get across with the full body of the post. But like I said, I was being nitpicky and just pointing out that he says he’s not a stats guy. He then goes on to state: “I personally feel that football is a game where stats, more often than not, lie about the real truth behind a player, a game, a season, etc.”. The fact that this comes right after a pick-me-up post dedicated to the positive sack stats of Mathis and Freeney makes it a bit confusing as to where BBS stands when it comes to stats. Are they important? Are the positive worth mentioning, while the negative should be glossed over?

Again, no issue from me over the entirety of the post, but just wanted to point out that particular section that seems to add uncertainty as to why BBS would choose to post about stats. Honestly, if he just didn’t put that section in there, it wouldn’t be a problem at all.

So, yeah, I’m just being a nitpicky dick. Pay no attention to me. I’ll be in my corner.

by EddieDean on May 27, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

:-P No need to hide in a corner, I liked this post as well, and I always have trouble reconciling stats.

I’d say BBS’s position on stats is the same as every other human being. If they favor your argument, you can understand them, and make them say what you want, then they are a good thing with the negatives neatly to be swept under the rug. As soon as they contradict you, then you are required to point out all the flaws with that statistic. Personally, I just say that it is better to have a world with alot of statistics that don’t always agree with our perception instead of having a world with alot of perceptions but very few statistics to back them up. I mean could you imagine if they didn’t keep track of things like Passing statistics and you had to have an argument over who was the best passer in a game? Now, I’m not saying that would ever happen, I just think if i’m going to have to commit myself to an all or nothing approach one way or another, I’ll go with the side with too many statistics that can bite us in the ass instead of the side without statistics.

But you and I agree that this was a good post. It will be interesting to see if this new statistic gets any revisions or overhauls to make it more relevant or telling.

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by Jamkel on May 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Further

He did say in his title that he’s “meh” with respect to the broken tackles stat, not the entire system

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on May 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Packers D was extremely overrated last year

They relied on getting turnovers, and when they couldn’t(against the Vikes, Steelers, and Cards), they were utterly gashed, especially through the air.

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by LV Steelers Fan on May 26, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly I think.....

this state is useless unless you tell me what those missed tackles resulted in. Say something like well player (x) missed (y) tackles that resulted in (z) amount of yardage being gained after the missed tackle.

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by cscott5527 on May 26, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I love how that clip

just shows the play over and over, in slower and slower motion each time

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on May 26, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

What if this was refined to,

for example— missed tackles resulting in a gain of 5 yards as 1 point— resulting in a first down as 3 points— resulting in a gain of 10 or more yards as 5 points— and resulting in a touchdown as 10 points?

by mister c on May 26, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone read the ESPN Insider spin-off article?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=5217390

It mentions the Jaguars’ OLB Justin Durant: “…an unwanted free agent (Justin Durant, who was non-tendered by the Jacksonville Jaguars and then signed by the Indianapolis Colts).”

Is there any merit to this? If so, the Colts just picked up a very productive player–98 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF, 1 int in 2009.

by hoosierstudent on May 27, 2010 3:50 AM EDT reply actions  

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