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Pro Football Focus paints an ugly picture of Charlie Johnson

Last year, I was very critical of Charlie Johnson taking over as the starting left tackle. However, when the Colts went all the way to the Super Bowl with him starting, pretty much, every game at LT, it was kind of hard to stay pissed at the decision. Charlie is not an elite tackle, and if you look at how he played in 2009, calling him "decent" might be a stretch. But, overall, he seemed to get the job done.

Unless, of course, you agree with Pro Football Focus' evaluation of CJ.

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PFF ranked Charlie at -21.1overall using their system, with a -6.5 ranking in the San Francisco 49ers game. That game is worth noting because it was obvious he struggled against their pass rush. in 2009, he was putrid in run blocking (-11.9) and pass blocking (-9.2). Overall, if you follow PFF as the guide for determining who is good and who sucks in the NFL, Charlie clearly falls in the "suck" category. 

Now, for someone like me, I do not take PFF's word as Bible. Their system is subjective, requiring people to watch tape and judge, using their own two eyes, who constitutes "good" and what is "bad." I did the same thing myself throughout the entire 2009 season, and I didn't see Charlie Johnson play as bad as PFF's numbers indicate.

Oh, and speaking of numbers, Peyton Manning was sacked only 13 times, the lowest of any QB in the league. The Colts o-line also surrendered the fewest QB hits (44). Just throwing that out there.

However, when you look at the overall stats provided by NFL.com, and compare them to PFF's system, the picture starts getting a bit clearer. The Colts allowed 21 negative rushing plays to the left side of their line, 4th worst in the league. Want to know who the worst team was in that category? The Baltimore Ravens with 22. Want to know who their left tackle was last year? Some guy named Jared Gaither.

So, when looking at all these negative NFL.com and PFF stats for Charlie, how the hell did the Colts offense play so well in 2009? PFF names one guy: Manning.

Johnson allowed pressure around the edge 27 times in '09, but only once did that pressure result in Manning being sacked. That's on Manning
One more stat. How good must P Manning's peripheral vision be? C Johnson gives up 79.4% of his total pressure around the edge

As you all know, I'll be the first to tell you that Peyton Manning is the best QB in football at avoiding pressure from pass rushers. Tom Brady's pretty damn good at it as well, but Manning wrote the book on using subtle movement in the pocket to avoid pressure and make plays down the field. Remember when idiots used to call him a "statue?"

But, even though Manning is great at evading rushers, Charlie Johnson deserves some credit for not allowing rushers to touch Manning. The line only allowing 13 sacks for 2009 is outstanding, no matter what stats system you use.

Going into 2010, I still have my concerns about CJ, which was why I was so critical of the Colts taking Pat Angerer, a back-up linebacker, over Charles Brown, a potential starter at left tackle, in the second round of the 2010 Draft. It is certainly possible that Brown will stink as a prospect at tackle, but if that were the conventional wisdom, why did the Saints scoop Brown up immediately after the Colts passed on them? Last I checked, the Saints were better than the Colts, and have a pretty good draft formula themselves. Obviously, time will tell us which decision was the correct one.

With Tony Ugoh given up on as a potential starter at LT, the job now seems to solely belong to Charlie. However, if you follow the numbers, he must play better for the Colts to get back to the Super Bowl. Manning's peripheral vision might be great, but I'd prefer the tackle to, you know, block the guy he's supposed to block, allowing let Manning worry more about the DBs.

UPDATE: PFF responded to me on Twitter, saying Charlie's "certainly no All-Pro! :)"

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The Ravens ran a hell of a lot more than the Colts, the negative rushing play stat doesn’t really compare.

by BmoreBlitz on May 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point.

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by Cassieper on Jun 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?
Last I checked, the Saints were better than the Colts, and have a pretty good draft formula themselves.

Trolling your own fanbase? and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

by TheNoodleMan on May 27, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The Saints

had the benefit of playing against a depleted pass rush. That spells doom when your playing against Drew Brees,

by metal_militia on May 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

hard to dispute, IMO

The Saints beat the Colts in the Super Bowl. I think that’s a pretty good objective measure of Saints > Colts (on that day, in those conditions, under that President, in that particular stadium, with that… you get the point).

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on May 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did I read that correct?

Are you potentially counting Barack Obama as a situational reason the Colts’ lost the Super Bowl? That really struck my funny bone, as I certainly hope it was meant to.

by EddieDean on May 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it was meant to

I was diffusing the likely argument that the Colts are better than the Saints, but just happened to lose to them in the SB

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on May 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team that wins is better

That’s why games have a “winner” and a “loser.” Nothing subjective about it. Totally cut and dry. In 2009, the Saints were better than the Colts. That’s why they have the shiny trophy, and our guys don’t from that season.

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by Brad Wells on May 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

We have the better Quarterback but the Saints proved they were the better team in Miami. I thought they were the better team prior to the game, I just thought Manning was playing so well that he would keep us from losing. I guess I shouldn’t of let my admiration of Manning keep me from realizing that the best TEAM is what wins Super Bowls not the best PLAYER.

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by P0RKINS2 on May 27, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe

But only because Hank Baskett can’t hold on to the ball. I still hold that regardless of Freeney’s ineffectiveness in the second half, if we had retained possession in the second half we would have scored and gone up 17-6, then the Saints are playing catch-up all game long. The only turnover in the game led to a touchdown that essentially put the game away for the Saints, but it only happened because the Colts were desperate to score at the end and they were pressing and made a mistake. I like to think of it this way 2009 Colts = 2009 Saints. Beat Up Colts in Super Bowl < Healthy Saints in Super Bowl.

by EddieDean on May 27, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just not sure if I can believe that.

The idea that the better team always wins just doesn’t mesh with me; that seems to take luck completely out of the equation.
The Saints had a better performance on that day than the Colts did. Does that mean that they were “the better team” overall?
Was the 2007 Appalachian State team better than the 2007 Michigan team?
Was the 2009 Tampa Bay team as good (splitting the series 1-1) as the 2009 New Orleans team?

To all of the above, I have to say no. All individual games prove is which team performed better in that one game. They can only offer evidence to prove which team was better overall (The colts beat the titans twice in 2009, strongly suggesting that the colts were the better team).

by hahasound on May 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

If hypothetically they replayed the game 10 times, with the same injuries and so on, New Orleans wouldn’t win all of them

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by ColtsUK on May 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The ONLY "things" that the Saints were better than the COLTS in 2009 were...

their desire to win, their belief that they could win, their agreesiveness and nastiness, their determination and luck! as echoed by some fellow commenters here. I don’t believe it is denial but for some reasons, I “personally” still do not view the Saints as the SB winner…. but I honestly can view the hated Pats as the 3-time SB winner (no more SB for them though ….)

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by Manning4ever on May 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

though the Pats were cheaters too....

I am conflicting myself… help here!!

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by Manning4ever on May 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Just like Tampa Bay was better than the Saints last year because they went into New Orleans and beat them. Totally cut and dry.

Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.

by DontHateAddai on May 27, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Love your sarcasm...... :)

and how true that reflects the flaws in our logics!

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by Manning4ever on May 28, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well to be perfectly accurate

He could have said that the Saints were better than the Colts at winning Super Bowl XLIV. That would have been the more nuanced statement.

Then again, BBS is known for nuance the way that Mt. Kilimanjaro is known for floating weightlessly.

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by szquirrel on May 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree that CJ

isn’t as bad PFF’s stats indicate. Same with the Melvin Bullitt thing the other day. The stats paint a picture that really doesn’t match the reality of what we see on the field. With regards to evaluating O line play I think Jamkel’s on the right track. It almost makes sense to me.

by naptown_ninja on May 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Baltimore might suck at running to the left

But that’s largely, according to PFF’s numbers, on their LG Ben Grubbs, whose run blocking has him 69th in the league for guards. Gaither’s run blocking is 8th.

Don’t cherry pick stats – if you’re going to demean a player, consider the whole context rather than taking his lines (not even his own!) production in isolation.

CJ can’t run block OR pass block, meaning the only reason he’s on the line is that he doesn’t take penalties. Really, if Ugoh was any good at all he’d still have his job but they’re both awful. If I could be bothered I do a quick pressures by snaps ratio for the starting guards and see where CJ’s numbers come out, because I reckon that’d be a good indicator of his overall play. Worth noting that between Diem and CJ, our starting tackles, they gave up 53 pressures – yet Manning was only sacked 3 times.

by eltharion_doa on May 27, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, almost all stats, facts that we see point to Manning's genius....

BUT he cannot win SBs on his own….

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by Manning4ever on May 27, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn slacker....

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on May 28, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

???

me or the Smiley??

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by Manning4ever on May 28, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

69th! !Dios Mio! I guess somebody has to be the worst, but let's do some basic math:

32 teams x 2 OGs per team = 64 starting OGs. Allow for injury, some replacements, alien abductions, etc…. 69th? If that’s accurate, how the hell does Grubbs still have a job?

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by Bobman on May 28, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's an outstanding pass blocker

PFF rate him 3rd in the league for pass blocking at guard.

Between Gaither and Grubbs, the Ravens only gave up 15 QB pressures to the left of their line with those two playing all season. Oher, their other tackle, gave up 20 pressures on his own although how many of those were at RT, where he played 11 games, I don’t know.

by eltharion_doa on May 29, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want that job

Who gets to watch the games and decide who sucks and who doesn’t.

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by Colts Homer on May 27, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, I know Spaz hates all things statistical, but I've been trying to do an evaluation myself.

I’ve got CJ listed at just around average for the league (14th overall among LTs). Now, as Spaz likes to point out, unless i’m a line coordinator, I’m probably not 100% accurate, but I did do my number crunching in a way that gives equal weight to a player maximizing the running ability of the RB, protecting the QB, and not getting penalized.

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by Jamkel on May 27, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

That seems about right

CJ would be middle of the pack, when it comes to LTs, that is why a 2nd round pick tender, and a not a 1st round pick tender, and I was never worried losing him to anyone.

But for those who think Manning is the sole reason for him not getting sacked as much despite the pressures that CJ & Diem let through, there is one BIG factor other than Manning. It is the fact that we have the best blocking RB in the league a.k.a Joseph Addai. No other team has a back that picks up blitzes and pass protects as well as Addai does, from what I have seen.

So, when Addai becomes a free agent, which he will next year, I would rather part with CJ than Addai if I had to choose. But knowing the Colts, they will let an RB walk and sign CJ to a long term deal for cheap :-(.

by chad72 on May 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

Addai is an outstanding blocking halfback – PFF’s numbers have him 7th in the league for blocking.

by eltharion_doa on May 29, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Continue to be a paragon of virtue

I’m not sure where you got that I don’t like stats or discussions based on statistics. I love those things, especially in the company of intelligent people.

I don’t understand why you would drag something from an open thread to a thread where no one will understand what it is you’re talking about – you seem very insecure.

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by SpazMo on May 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, so sorry..I thought this was the Indianapolis Colts blog. Looks like a Saints blog

after all. I’ll just go to their site and see what they have to say about the Colts.

by coltsfoot85 on May 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

not surprised there are lots of sleeper trolls here....

or subconsious traitors!! not to name names… but we have COLTS fans who believe Aaron Rodgers is going to be better than Peyton Manning during his “decline”….. and there is so much passion in that belief…

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by Manning4ever on May 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.

I still say “those” people are smoking crack. But to each his own, I suppose.

lol

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by peytonsthebest on May 28, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

It is the ones that got their vicodin fix “fixed”, thanks to you know who!!! :-).

Heard their new delivery boy, that Chargers playa, got busted with Vicodin in his possession too :-).

I bet Sean Payton’s idol is Dr.House :-).

by chad72 on May 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let us just say the Saints are no Saints at all....

The Lombardi trophies were tainted in the past decade by the Pats (spygate), the Steelers (…..gates) and the Saints…. what a pity!

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by Manning4ever on May 30, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

What did the Steelers do?

Oh, and a coach hoarding Vicodin doesn’t taint a Lombardi trophy. Vicodin doesn’t really contribute to a Super Bowl victory.

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by Cassieper on Jun 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overall conduct issues....

Steelers have big ben gates…. and the Saints has you know what…. those are issues from the top of the organization…. and are conduct issues just like the “alleged” spygate of the Pats. We are not talking about infractions maybe from a reserve player but top down incapability to be true champions….. well, only if you believe in it.

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by Manning4ever on Jun 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let us just say the Saints are no Saints at all....

The Lombardi trophies were tainted in the past decade by the Pats (spygate), the Steelers (…..gates) and the Saints…. what a pity!

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by Manning4ever on May 30, 2010 2:44 AM EDT reply actions  

i know i know.... /TAC'd

:)

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by Manning4ever on May 30, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha... self-TAC'd...

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by teej813 on May 30, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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