Peyton Manning's contract negotiation is the front line for NFL labor war
The most anticipated contract in the history of professional athletics is the one Peyton Manning will get after the 2010 season. He is the best player in the most popular league in America. He is the face of that league, with many of the players following him as an example of how to act both on and off the field.
The other side of Manning's contract is how the negotiation of the numbers will factor into the labor fight looming on the horizon between the NFL players and the owners.
From Yahoo's Jason Cole, who probably still believes Ben Roethlisberger is better than Peyton Mannning, but we'll link to him anyway:
It could be the beginning of a very ugly war between the players and the league. Specifically, it could indicate whether the NFL Players Association and league work out a new collective bargaining agreement or if players will be locked out by owners in 2011."If Manning [of the Indianapolis Colts] doesn’t get the kind of contract we all expect or, worse, doesn’t get a deal done at all, that really means it’s going to be war," an agent said last week. "There has never been a player with more leverage than him. No one. If he can’t get a deal done at his price, we’re all in trouble."
Part of the reason it could get ugly is that if Manning does not get what everyone knows he should (aka, a record-setting deal), it will mean that the players do not have the power they once felt they had. All top-level NFL contracts start with quarterbacks, and Peyton is the unquestioned best. Maybe people in New England think different, but no one really cares what they think.
"Everything is based off what quarterbacks make," an executive with an AFC team said. "That’s the top end in terms of the whole league … you might have some team where the quarterback isn’t always the top-paid guy, but the top guys in the league are always going to be quarterbacks and it’s going to work its way down from there."
The problem with investing record money in Manning is that there is no guarantee he will play next year. As of right now, we are headed into a locked out 2011 season. So, from the owner's POV, throwing over $100 million at a player who is not scheduled to even play next year is a big roll of the dice.
"There’s no way I could see that any owner is going to spend that kind of money on one player and not have football," the AFC executive said. "You spend $7 [million] or $8 million on somebody, OK, that’s just common-sense business. You spend $20 [million] or $30 million, you’re making a commitment."
Boiling this all down to its essential elements, if Peyton gets the deal he should get, there will likely be football in 2011. If he does not, count on a lock out in 2011.
Somewhat of a side note: Isn't it amazing how the NFL players look to Manning to come throw in the clutch both on and off the field. I mean, seriously, his contract is going to be the measuring stick for all other NFL contracts going forward. People are really relying on him and Tom Condon to negotiate a deal that will very likely send shockwaves throughout the rest of the league.
"Peyton is the man," Saints safety Darren Sharper(notes) said. "I’m not a quarterback, so I’m not getting quarterback money. But my [agent] can always argue, ‘If a quarterback makes this much, this guy should make this much.’ "
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Peyton will get the $$$$$$$$$
News flash………This just in on the wire…………..Indy Lori is Jim Irsay’s paramour.
Jeezzz!! haha... I really miss Indy Lori..
Ask her to get her behind back here…. :)
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by Manning4ever on Jun 15, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As once famously spoken by Samuel L Jackson, “Hold on to your butts.”
We rise. They fall.
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He He... Jurassic Park reference
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by P0RKINS2 on Jun 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think there's a bit of discrepancy here between Peyton and others
and it shows the class of Peyton versus most of the league.
(Note: I’m from TST, the SBN Rams blog)
Peyton has played through his contract. The problem is that the leverage is already so heavily in the players’ favor that even tilting it back toward the FO would most likely still end up being on the players’ side.
Take guys who “overplay” their contracts – Revis, Andre Johnson, Chris Johnson, etc. They sign deals, and when they improve (as talented, young players are expected to do in sports), they look mid-contract to restructure the deal. And by and large, people accept this. “Pay the man. He earned it.”
But when players underplay their contracts (busted high draft picks, underwhelming top-tier FAs such as Albert Haynesworth), the team doesn’t get to suddenly renegotiate that player’s contract to reflect his recent play.
So yes, Peyton sets a standard, but it’s a baseline that is becoming increasingly rare. Most star players don’t sign long-term contracts and play them out at a high-level without holding out. So while the Payton baseline is important, I worry that FOs will point to it when it shouldn’t even apply.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jun 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Anybody else hate this situation?
If it’s an accurate depiction of the domino effect 18’s deal with have on the CBA, 2011, and life as we know it (and I see no reason why it’s not pretty accurate), I hate that.
I wish our guy could just get his deal done wherever he and the team want it to be, and move on. But if there is HISTORIC, far-reaching pressure for him to milk Irsay dry whether he wants to or not, because it will support the NFLPA and establish the negotiation lines for the next two decades…. I find that incredibly un-related to the Colts and distasteful. In my mind (probably naively) I feel these giant deals like the CBA should be between two large entities and the individual teams and players have their say but eventually fall into line without one individual or team having the lion’s share of the influence. It seems as if too much is riding on 18’s deal for my sanity.
What if he wants to say to Irsay, "Jimmy, I’m top dog in the league for maybe three years, and I want two more as a “ride into the sunset” cushion, but I know you are constrained and I don’t exactly need more money, so I’ll take a five year extenson starting in 2010 for 15, 7.5, 20, 10, 10 with a $10M signing bonus to save you cash and a $10M roster bonus the first game of 2011 to save yo money if there is a lockout." That’s $82M for five years, with only $10M guaranteed. The three year “most likely money” view is $19.5 per year, which has to be a record, but the overall numbers are not record-like. And if there is no 2011, it’s pretty ordinary, really because of that $7.5 in 2011. About $10M a year including prorates sign bonus.
That’s a decent deal for 18, a decent deal for the team, and will never happen because of the circumstances. The NFLPA will pressure Condon/Manning to average $25-30M a year for six years with $60M guaranteed. Which, much as I love Manning, is too much for a person of his age and Irsay’s pocketbook.
I hate this I hate this I hate this.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
by Bobman on Jun 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Agreed!!!
And rec’d.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Without Question its terrible
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I'm shocked!! Outraged!!
All top-level NFL contracts start with quarterbacks, and Peyton is the unquestioned best. Maybe people in New England think different, but no one really cares what they think.
Just stopping by. Glad to see nothing’s changed. ;-)
Reality is a matter of opinion.
Welcome!
now go away…
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Haha.. teej, you crack me up again!!
:)
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by Manning4ever on Jun 15, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope he realizes i'm just messin' with him
poor guy…
i mean, look who he has to root for!
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
hahaha.....
pats fans now have their blinders on… so they can root for their team shamelessly…. (oops….. said too much)…
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by Manning4ever on Jun 15, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back. How are things for you. Also, how's the new guy getting on at Pats Pulpit?
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Not too shabby
Doing pretty good, thanks! Still busy, but less stressed if that makes any sense. A good busy, I guess.
The new guy is doing a bangup job keeping track of training camp, draftees, contract holdouts and all that. Greg doesn’t fly off the handle into homerism as much as I did, so you may get more of an unbiased opinion.
Looking forward to the season, especially the War of 1812. Always makes for good TV.
Reality is a matter of opinion.
Welcome back!
We kinda miss you.
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as if the pats site doesn't bash the Colts non-stop.
but as previously stated we don’t much care for your thoughts on the matter.
Actually we care more for his than yours. At least many of us.
See the thing is what they all said were jokes unlike what you have said.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jun 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
this ^
Dude, MaPatsFan is a good guy. We’re just messing with him.
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
He should get....
$25M signing bonus.
$40M for 2010
$5M per year for the next 7 years.
Wow that would be Grossly underpaying him. I mean beyond underpaying.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jun 15, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed....
but my math is so bad that I won’t even know what I am saying…. ![]()
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by Manning4ever on Jun 15, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He will get...
$50M signing bonus
$120M total over 6 years
Coltsdude1000: your $100M total isn’t even a pay raise, much less best in league.
True
Big Ben got a $100 mil. contract and Peyton got $34.5 mil. guaranteed in his 2004 contract.
My expectation would be something like a $150 mil. contract for 7 years with $50 mil. guaranteed to be the ceiling and a $120 mil. for 6 years with $45 mil. guaranteed to be the floor.
All the people who use the SB rings argument to determine value have no idea what it takes to be a winning franchise year in and year out playing division winner schedules every year. The article above does diminish the Pro Bowlers that Polian has surrounded Peyton with on offense and defense, IMO. The Colts and Saints, their backup QBs flat out suck at this point. So, I don’t buy the fact that the Colts would be worse without Peyton than the Saints would be without Brees. The Colts have drafted well while the Saints have played free agency well enough to put enough talent on the field to win enough games to be a .500 team or at least a 6-10 team, IMO.
I do think SB rings are important as a tie-breaker but if you do not have the consistency in winning year-after-year trying to improve some aspect of your game consistently like Manning does, you might as well be a game managing QB on a team with a great D and running game that will win you more playoff games, like the Ravens have this decade. But that does not make you an all-time great or HOF candidate, sad to break it to you. Trent Dilfer (Ravens 2000 SB winning QB) and Brad Johnson (Bucs 2002 SB winning QB) will not make the HOF and Dan Marino already has.
Regarding Consistency
One must remember after Pit 1st won the SB , they failed to make playoffs I believe the following year so had a nice draft pick, We havent had a good # draft pick in quite a long time. We are consistent via Peyton and some great later round picks. If we had lower draft picks just imagine , and remember UGOH < POLLACK arent what they should have been and we traded down for 1 for a 1st rounder and Polack our fiirst choice pick his year if Iremember correctly havent exactly worked out as well as we wanted. Could any other QB have brought both Collie & Garcon around last year like that, I doubt it highly especialy as both weren’t expected to be starters, just contributers
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Eli got a
six-year, $97.5million extension (with $35million guaranteed). While Peyton is a lot better, he should agree to a 6 year $99million extension with 36 guaranteed.
Which is about what his last contract was. He has done tons since his last contract including a Superbowl they have one so he will be getting more this time
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by TheAngelsColts on Jun 15, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very true.....
But those numbers are so astronomical to us commoners so they just sound so much. In fact, they are not…
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by Manning4ever on Jun 15, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this won't happen,
but I really really wish we could hear Peyton’s thoughts on all this. I think it would be interesting to see how he feels about the situation.
Sail on silvergirl, Sail on by. Your time has come to shine. All your dreams are on their way. See how they shine. If you need a friend I'm sailing right behind. Like a bridge over troubled water I will ease your mind. Like a bridge over troubled water I will ease your mind. - Simon and Garfunkel
ohhhh!!!
I am sooooo jealous!! :(
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by Manning4ever on Jun 16, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
well, now I know why Sean Payton loves him some vicodin....
that is the ONLY way he can get Peyton….. :)
btw, is that a special Peyton formula in yours??
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by Manning4ever on Jun 17, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee
that Manning will get over $100 million and that at least half of it will be guaranteed. Plus his signing bonus will probably be a record. The two sides will agree to terms on a deal if the Colts want to be competitive in 2011. (or 2012 if the Lockout does happen)
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
by P0RKINS2 on Jun 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
After reading the posts on here I am in agreement.
Peyton should only worry about Peyton. The NFLPA is trying to tie PM’s contract to the possibility of a lock out is crazy. Anyone that reads this site already knows, Irsay has made it a top priority to resign PM and lock him up for his career. So, trying to tie the PM contract to the CBA is a reach. PM is gonna get the new contract, he will be the highest paid and it has nothing to do with the CBA. I believe the owners stand to lose way too much if they lock out the players. I also believe, Jim Irsay will be leading the pack on the owners side of this. It would really hurt Irsay to not be able to have PM on the field in 2011, it would hurt Irsay even more to lose a full season, the same year that the Super Bowl is in Indy. Irsay will use any influence he has at his disposal to settle with the players. Look at what he has at stake.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
that is exactly how i feel....
sadly, how I feel really doesn’t matter….. but less us cross our fingers… I am ready to do whatever it takes to get to the SB in Indy especially if the COLTS will be playing in it (crossing fingers really hard)…. so please no lock-out!!
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by Manning4ever on Jun 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish Polian would restate that comment, he hasnt since making it, are owners pressuring him ??
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I'm talking about highest paid player remark, I also thought, but could be wrong he intended to do it this offseason
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You meant Irsay??
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by Manning4ever on Jun 17, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct ! ! !
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Yep, that is what i thought too!
or maybe the real talk is starting so he thinks he can clam up a bit. Moreoever, his comments were before the SB, right?? ….. so he thought that might have served as extra motivation….
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by Manning4ever on Jun 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh sorry...that comment also came after the SB....
my bad.
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by Manning4ever on Jun 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

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