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Is the Colts defense "bend-but-don't-break," or is it something else?

First off, congrats to the USA World Cup team. Despite getting robbed of yet another goal by these seemingly incompetent FIFA refs, Landon Donovan redefined the term clutch by pulling the futbol equivalent of a "Reggie Miller," scoring the winning goal over in the 92nd minute of USA's 1-0 win over Algeria. USA wins Group C and will move on to the knockout round.

From futbol to football, I'd like to highlight an article written by Gang Green Nation's JohnB talking about the concepts of the Tampa-2 defense. It's a good piece that talks very generally about what a "Tampa-2" is and how it works. One part of his article was particularly interesting:

The downfalls when not run effectively are numerous. If the front cannot generate a pass rush, a quarterback has all day to pick apart zone coverage underneath. It can turn into death by 1,000 cuts. The small defensive front also leaves the unit at risk against big physical run games. Think about what would have happened had Shonn Greene not been injured against Indianapolis' Tampa 2 in the AFC Championship Game. Things possibly could have been different had Indy had to face Greene pounding them every play and wearning them down instead of Thomas Jones' less physical style.

While Shonn Greene's injury certainly had an effect on the game, I think most people outside of the NY Jets sphere of influence believe the Colts would have won the AFCCG regardless. Peyton Manning and the Colts offense dominated the Jets defense, especially in the second half. Last I checked, Shonn Greene was not a pass rusher or a corner. It's also worth noting that the reason Greene was knocked out was due, in part, to the Colts defense being more physical than the Jets offense, in particular their o-line.

The Jets ran for 86 yards on 29 carries, with no touchdowns.

This is consistent with how the Colts physically beat the Ravens the week before (19 carries, 86 yards) and how they stoned the Saints running game in the Super Bowl (18 carries, 51 yards). In the playoffs, the Colts did not allow any team to run for over 100 yards on them, and no team scored a rushing TD. This is worth noting because all three of the teams the Colts faced in the 2009 Playoffs were ranked #1 (Jets), #5 (Ravens), and #6 (Saints) running the ball during the regular season.

So, yeah, no offense to Jets fans, but Greene or no Greene, your team was still gonna lose the football game.

After the jump, more chit-chat about how the Colts defense is not quite what folks think it is.

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Regarding the comment that " small defensive front also leaves the unit at risk against big physical run games," that really is not accurate. The Ravens, Jets, and Saints o-lines are BIG, and their running games were bruising in 2009. All got stoned by the Colts. The one game during the 2009 season where the Colts seemed to revert to 2008 mode was the Week Two contest against the Dolphins. However, this game was a bit odd because it wasn't the Dolphins just lining up and blowing the Colts off the ball, but rather the mis-direction and trickery of the "Wildcat" offense that seemed to really throw the Colts defense for a loop.

The Dolphins game was the only time (when they weren't resting starters) in 2009 the Colts surrendered more than one rushing TD in a game (two) and over 200 rushing yards. It was also a game the Colts won!

However, even with the Week Two anomaly, if you throw out Weeks Sixteen and Seventeen of the 2009 season (which had the Colts infamously resting numerous starters on offense and defense), the Colts surrendered 1,574 rushing yards and only 8 TDs with a 4.1 yards-per-carry average allowed. Those numbers would put the Colts near the top 10 in rush defense. It's really the last two games of the season that skew the overall effectiveness of the Colts defense; two games where management and coaches clearly did not care what the outcome was. The Colts surrendered 202 and 248 yards (respectively) on the ground against the Jets in Week Sixteen and the Bills in Week Seventeen.

This is one of those cases where the overall stats really lie about how good a team really is. The truth is in the details, and if you look at the Colts, in 2009 they had a very good run defense.

This sort of takes me to the point of this article, which is to offer discussion on whether the Colts defense is "bend-but-don't break." When you look at the rushing numbers, they aren't. What is troubling is the third down conversion percentage, which is mostly QBs finding ways to hit soft spots in a the zone to convert third downs. However, in the red zone, teams often stalled because, at that point, it's about scoring, not converting downs. Prior to resting starters, the colts only allowed an average of 18 points-per-game, which would rank them in the top 5 in scoring defense.

As we all know, yards mean nothing. Points are everything.

If your definition of "bend-but-don't-break" is to see a defense allow multiple third down competitions due to scheme but, at the same time, shutdown an opponents offense near or in the red zone (again, 18 points-per-game allowed), then I guess you could call the Colts Tampa-2 "bend-but-don't-break." I, personally, don't see that because all great modern defense is then "bend-but-don't-break."

Preventing the other team from scoring is paramount in all defensive philosophy. Philosophies that rely more on preventing yards are often failed philosophies. The Pittsburgh Steelers in 2009 were one of the best teams in the league at preventing yards (allowed only 305 total a game). However, if you are going to tell me the Steelers had a good defense in 2009, I'm going to laugh in your face... and so will Mike Tomlin. The Steelers surrendered 22 passing TDs last season, which was a major factor in them missing the post-season. The Patriots also struggled to stop teams from scoring (25 passing TDs allowed) but were good and keeping yardage low (320 a game).

It's no coincidence that both these teams run a base 3-4, whose major weakness (if not run properly) is the surrender of the big play. In Tampa-2, the core principle is to deny the opponent the big play. "Death by 1,000 cuts" is always preferable over a team scoring three quick TDs on three long pass plays. Just ask that Miami Dolphins.

So, if Tampa-2 is "bend-but-don't-break" to some, then a base 3-4 is probably "break-but-don't-bend."

I'll close this out by highlighting a comment in the article's comments section that I found... amusing:

Bend but don’t break," exactly.

We saw the Colts use it and sneak by with it many times last season, games like Miami got dominated in TOP but still managed to sneak out a win by clamping down in the red zone. But it can obviously backfire when you have a QB that is able to pick the secondary apart for short chunks and find the seams down after down……

Enter Drew Brees.

Obviously, Tampa-2 certainly did not "backfire" in the Super Bowl, as this Jets fan suggests.

Regardless of whether your team runs a base 4-3, 3-4, 4-6, or whatever, if you are unable to rush the opponent's QB and get pressure on him, he will pick you apart. It doesn't matter if the guy's name is Drew Brees or Rex Grossman. Pressure is EVERYTHING in the modern NFL.

Also, I don't see how comparing the Dolphins game in Week Two and the Super Bowl helps this guy's argument. The Saints running game was totally shutdown in the Super Bowl, unlike the Week Two contest against the Dolphins.If his point was that, like the Week Two game, the Saints were able to control the ball and win, that has less to do with scheme and more to do with the Colts' inability to pressure Brees in the second half of the Super Bowl (where he did most of his damage). I mean, imagine if the Colts had run a 3-4 base, but had no one capable of rushing the passer. The Saints would have dominated the Colts they way they did the Patriots in Week 12 with big plays in the passing game.

I especially enjoy the commenter's line that the Colts "sneak by with [the defense] many times last season." Yeah, they really sneaked by the Jets in the AFCCG, didn't they.

Regardless of the commenter's poor assessment of the Colts defense, the article is very good and worth a read. Just ignore me getting into the faces of Jets fans in the articles discussion section.

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I laughed when I read their comments. They get all offensive when their shit gets called out. I just LOOOOOVE when people dish shit out then churl up in the fetal position with their thumbs up their ass! BBS you may not be liked by the rest of the writers around SBNation, but damnit you got my respect. I like the “in your face” style of writing and for the most part you do a good job. Do I always agree with you? HELL NO, but that’s part of blogging.

I agree with you when you said you can’t pick and choose games to make your point. And to do so is ridiculous.

I find it quite ironic that Crackbaby is asking how to file a complaint when he is/was banned from Stampede Blue for trolling.

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by coltsfan723 on Jun 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

SB Nation

For the record, lots of SB Nation writers like me. More importantly, the people in charge of SB Nation like me. :)

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by Brad Wells on Jun 23, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what I mean then is...

just the writers of teams who get their ass’s kicked by the Colts don’t like you. ;)

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by coltsfan723 on Jun 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I met BBS at the SBNation meet up, and I would say he’s a cool guy and I do like him. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t meet you dislike that person.

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by dvdvil on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

*mean

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by dvdvil on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed that party

And, despite people buying me drinks left and right (along with a good friend of mine who happened to be working as the bartender), I was reasonably coherent throughout the evening. :)

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by Brad Wells on Jun 23, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So in other words, your coherence when inebriated is the same as it is when sober...

… see below, re: “Comic effect beckoning loudly”.

Anyway: Welcome to the club! In 10 more years, I’ll be at the age where intoxication will improve my coherence.

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by E.M.H. on Jun 23, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you should give a go now...

(LOL)

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by peytonsthebest on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

awesome

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by teej813 on Jun 23, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not confuse "take shots at" with "doesn't like".

Many of us here like Brad a lot – I certainly do – but it doesn’t stop any of us from posting criticism when warrented. Or taking shots when the siren song of comic effect beckons loudly; oh, man nobody here will pass up a chance to rip for a laugh!

Seriously, though, BBS’s is a big boy. He can take it.

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by E.M.H. on Jun 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just saying that

because of all the comments I read from other Blogs readers about how BBS is the most hated blogger on SBNation. I know he can take it. Trust me, I’ve seen him do it. >_> That sounds kinda dirty……

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by coltsfan723 on Jun 23, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"That sounds kinda dirty……"?... Oh, great!...

I just had to write a post where the phrase “big boy” is immediately followed by “He can take it.”. Terrific. The siren song of comic innuendo is now sounding for damn near every StampedeBlue member in the universe.

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by E.M.H. on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are a dirty community of people

but we have fun! =)

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by coltsfan723 on Jun 23, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Is that the tornado siren going off?"

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“Nuclear war?”
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“Then what?”
“Stampedeblue folks were talking ’bout BBS, and they said ”… big boy. He can take it." “I know he can take it. Trust me, I’ve seen him do it.”
INNUENDO TIME!!!!” (Rushes to keyboard)

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by E.M.H. on Jun 23, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

innuendo?

Isn’t that an Italian suppository?

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by Bobman on Jun 23, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...... :)

This is one thing I desperately need to learn….. from BBS, is “taking it”….
wow! did I say that??

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh...

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by E.M.H. on Jun 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

pssssst

She’s referring to having been a bit sensitive in discussions with Marima and PTB recently. She’s learning that, around here, we tease a LOT but try not take it too personally.

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by teej813 on Jun 23, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha....

thanks Teej…. actually it is fun just to let EMH keep guessing… or wondering…. LOL…. he is a funny guy!

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So................

How bout that Colts Defense? Meaning: No more talk of ’taking it" or “seeing him do it”. Thank you, thank you very much. Carry on.

by tim55 on Jun 23, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey tim55, i was thinking you might actually like to join in "the talk"...

LOL!

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why...

do jets fans treat Shonne Greene like he’s the second coming? “OMG IF HE HADNT GOTTEN HURT BLAH BLAH BLAH.” Um. Really. Because Ray Rice really got hurt and didnt play the full game against the colts d. Oh wait.

by WaynesWorld on Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, now back to the article (Good Idea, Tim55)

I’d argue that the Tampa-2 failed or “backfired” in the SB. Keep in mind one of its central tenets is pressure from the front 4. With Freeney limited in the second half, we could not generate adequate pressure against a very good QB.

So, yeah, it was caused by injury, but one of the pillars the T-2 is built on was missing in the second half, which happens to be the half that the Saints went wild. And it’s not really a depth issue—how the hell do you have depth to replace the best pass rusher in the league? This is no longer a Montana/Young world where teams have HOFers on the bench backing up slightly older HOFers. Hughes was picked, very likely, with Freeney’s past three years in mind. When he’s in there, we are arguably the best team in the game. When he’s not, we’re still top-8, but much less effective. (Having Hank Baskett doesn’t help much, either)

And Waynes World, everybody knows that Shonn Greene is much better than Ray Rice… Oh, wait….

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by Bobman on Jun 23, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Without any pass-rush, any defense would fail in the Super Bowl.

There is no perfect way to play a defense. The 3-4 is all the rage, and almost every team that doesn’t employ a 3-4 is labeled as a “bend but don’t break” defense. Well, the two most impressive defensive performances of the last 10 years, imo, were by 4-3’s in Super Bowl XXXVI and XLII. Obviously, the Colts scheme (which is not just a tampa-2 anymore, as the Colts run quite a bit of man coverage now, and other coverages that are not base cover-2) is nothing like the Giants of Super Bowl XLII, but the point is that no defense is really better than the other. If you have the players, and the coaching, it will work. Of course, some defenses are more unfamiliar, but at this point, unless a team starts running a 5-2-4 all the time, nothing will be really a surprise. Enough teams know how to beat 3-4’s, 4-3’s, dimes, anything. It is about execution.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 23, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a fair and balanced observation....

I am still amazed at the Giants’ defense in SBXLII – it did make the game 75% boring since nothing happened until pretty much the 4th Qtr. Key players retiring, injuries (sound familiar) and change of DC made the Giants a less than formidable team in 2009. Maybe that will change in 2010 ….. I am still thinking a Giants/Colts SB45 may not be a bad idea…..

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wildcat Woes

Wouldn’t you think that a D bult like the Colts, somewhat smaller and faster, would be BETTER able to handle the Wildcat? I would. The better cover LBs a team has—i.e. able to move in space, read the play, react, close—the better they should do against the Dolphins clown act. Especially if the cat attacks the perimeter, where we are best at stopping runs.

Apparently not….

So it’s kind of odd to me that that game stands out so glaringly, which it does. I missed it (family visiting, wine bottles opening, damn damn damn my failing memory), so don’t recall how much yardage and TOP was racked up from standard sets vs Wildcat plays, but assume the WC had a significant role in our failure to stop the run.

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by Bobman on Jun 23, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

If i recall correctly,

Buc’s had twice as much success/play in the Wildcat than normal formations. Seems like Gruden mentioned that.

But my memory isn’t any better than yours, dude, so take with much salt.

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by teej813 on Jun 23, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What scared me about that game

was how our DC failed to adjust the entire game. Maybe I’m missing something but 9 guys will beat 8 guys in most cases. Drop both safeties in the box and dare the RB to throw the ball! Switch to a 4-5-2 or even a 5-4-2 every time they take their QB out.

Our DC’s response was to make no changes, let the D get completely worn out, and count on luck, dropped passes, and our super efficient offense to win the game.

by smonroe on Jun 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same with the SB Loss....

Without Freeney, we simply could not or would not make any adjustments…. it was like a slaugherhouse in the 2nd half – brutal! Did our defense showcase ANY great adjustments in ANY games last year? Larry Coyer was new to the Colts so i didn’t really remember too much except the Dophins game andSB44 – both bad memories.

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont remember any, incremental at best

Thats why there was so many comebacks, we let them back in all the time as teams that could score well we just let them just continue what they were doing and last man up won alot and a missed FG help Vs Texans I believe or overtime in that 1.

Thats what I remember ciould be wrong but when u keep winning u dont remember why u lost save the big one

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by bayone on Jun 23, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd half against the Pats

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 23, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

was it defensive adjustments

that helped the most? or, just plain player execution improved in the 4th Qtr? Or, our offense adjusted and scored more? in that game?

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adjustment.

played alot more man in the second.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 23, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah..... i see

so why do u think we didn’t make the adjustments in the SB?

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember if we played man or zone,

but the biggest problem was Freeney. That makes all adjustments nearly pointless.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 23, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

true..... very true...

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was underwhelmed all year

by our new DC and ST coach. I’m expecting marked improvement from them this season.

by smonroe on Jun 23, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been afraid to say that....

hoping not saying in makes it not real….. but I have the same feeling as you do, kinda disappointing….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

Colts D being smaller and faster has nothing to do with them being able to stop the wildcat better. The wildcat is still somewhat foreign to Defenses, it is a college formation, if you don’t study it…which most NFL teams don’t, because more then likely you’re going to see maybe once a year, unless you’re in the AFC East. Colts knew they were going to see the wildcat last season playing Miami …but hell you can’t change your whole defensive philosophy for one game!

by gteare28 on Jun 24, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Problems with the wild cat come from brains, not braun.

If you rewatch the Miami game, specifically, watch the LBs and DL at the snap of the wild cat plays. They weren’t instinctively hitting their gaps. They were stopping, looking for the ball, and then pursuing the ball. This was allowing the Dolphins blockers to beat them to the POA, allowing pretty substantial lanes for the Dolphins ball carriers.

This is juxtaposed with the Jaguar game (for example) where they ran the 2pt conversion with MJD, but there was nothing about it that caused the Colts D to stop and think. They just hit their gaps and made the stop.

This is one of those cases where ‘do what we do’ is actually the appropriate answer: If the Colts D does their studying, trusts their studying and each other, it wouldn’t be an issue.

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by SpazMo on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass Rush v. Pass Coverage

There is always a balance between the importance of pass rush and pass coverage, and a balance between the two when placing blame. My recollection of the 2nd Half success for the Saints offense primarily came when Brees delivered passes so quickly that pass “rush” was taken out of the game. In that situation the pass coverage has to adapt, tighten up, and give the pass rushers a little bit more time to get pressure.

I’m not saying that not getting pressure did not hurt our ability to shut down the Saints in the second half, instead I’m saying that our pass rush was certainly not helped at all by a lackluster performance in coverage. And that lackluster performance was across the board, on almost every player on every level for the Colts. Hayden really did not look good to me last year. Powers was hobbled. Our safeties were ineffective and our linebackers either failed to cover the middle of the field, in their assignments, or were not instructed to drop back into coverage.

Generally, pass defense broke down when Brees went quick-release. I’m unsure how much of the blame is on the pass rushers, it seems like as much or more of the responsibility should be on the pass coverage, either schematically or player performance (or both).

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by bamock on Jun 23, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

well.... overall i really do think the Saints put more heart and soul and gimmicks

into the game than we did. Inability to compensate for the defensive weakness, as well as being not able to adjust to Bree’s quick passes are just two of many issues. But after all that is said and done, I am still very very proud of the Colts, having a hobbled team most of the year with Manning working his magic, nearly completing a perfect season! Believe me, I am very proud and sad at the same time. But my concern is still our DC and our defensive philosophy… not necessarily the players….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Powers foot was big factor in his poor play which then

may have opened up others as they tried to compensate for him. There some many a pass where it didnt matter quick release or not, recivers were just plain wide open in nd half. Hayden I dont remember if he did or didnt have any hamstring issues

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by bayone on Jun 24, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colts D excelled at making key stops, except in Super Bowl

What made the Colts a great team last year was coming through in the clutch. Lots of stats were padded by a few blow-out wins, but what made the Colts elite was that their defense consistently stiffened late in the game to make the stops that had to be made, and the offense consistently scored on key drives with the game on the line. Lots of games where the opponent either jumped out to a big lead or stifled our offense most of the game and took the lead late with a big play or two. But when the game was on the line the D would hold and the O would score. Look at how many 4th quarter comebacks we had.

But not in the Super Bowl. There it was the Saints who kept coming up with the key drives and the big plays on D and special teams. Maybe having Freeney (and/or Powers) would have produced a key stop or two. And we’d have been in terrific shape if Baskett had held on to that onside. But the bottom line is that the Colts couldn’t pull it out like they had the rest of the season. Saints were just a better team that day.

by ex-Viking fan on Jun 23, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

my worry is....

i remember hearing some analyst say, after the SB, that now teams know how to beat the Colts D, namely throwing quick passes in their zone coverage and get downs….. I am crossing my fingers that it is NOT true and our defense CAN hold against elite QBs! or at least have a tailor-made scheme to stop them instead of using the general schemes…. the 2010 schedule seems to be quite tough. In 2009, Brady came close to beating us and Brees did. Other than them, there was Kurt Warner whose defense simply cannot contain Peyton and his OL sucked big time in that game, there was no big name QB we played against…. well, Matt Schaub may be a good one and he also gave us fits…. so, the point is, I am worried about our D holding Elite QBs at bay! Seems like the RD hs improved at the expense of PD. 2010 brings ELI, Brady, Romo, McNabb, Rivers and Schaub …..

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that is true

Colts defense can easily make adjustments to teams throwing short passes, Brees was going to 2nd, 3rd and sometimes 4th option. To be able to execute a game plan like that the offensive line would have to dominate because I can’t think of too many QBs besides Brees or Manning that could pull it off. Brees was changing a lot of the plays after the Saints put a man in motion.

How many teams will throw the ball to anyone that is open? I didn’t watch every game of every team last year, but I do know this. The Colts and the Saints do. They trust every player they put on the field to have a good chance at making a play. The Saints had so many different players making catches during last year it was ridiculous. Who in their right mind would play one of our receivers in fantasy football?

The Colts have a good defensive unit, you just can’t expect to win every game.

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by DrWhoDat on Jun 23, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously hope you are right...
The Colts have a good defensive unit, you just can’t expect to win every game.

The problem is they have to win against elite QBs too! As I and many others have noticed, last year we saw only 3 elite QB. This year we will see about 5+….. and teams are getting bigger receivers which seem to be Colts D cryptonite! (see Chargers and Saints)….. so I am really really praying that my worries are unfounded. Peyton just cannot win every game by himself….. Back in SB41, Colts D played lights out in the playoffs which kinda determined the outcomes of SB41…..

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then y'all will need elite defensive backs or outstanding pass rush

It is hard to have both in todays NFL. I will use Saints opponents last year because that is what I am most familiar with. Buffalo really stymied our passing offense last year, they have an awesome defensive secondary. Here are some stats for percentage completed against a defender. I listed the 2 CB, and 2 safeties on each team, then averaged the total to rank teams. Here is top 5.
                CB1 CB2 S1 S2 AVERAGE
1. NYJ 36.90 48.10 66.70 40.00 45.72
2. NO 46.90 55.00 35.10 59.00 48.58
3. BUF 54.50 55.80 46.20 33.30 48.86
4. GB 51.30 60.00 44.80 48.60 51.20
5. DEN 53.30 50.60 60.40 47.80 53.08

The Saints had to resort to running the ball on the Bills, their secondary was just too good. And the Bills couldn’t stop our run game. We also played the Jets and although Revis was the best CB in NFL, the other side of the field and their nickle and dime backs were somewhat vulnerable. But in the end our defense won that game, go figure.

On the opposite end of the spectrum we have the Vikings, one of the best if not the best defensive front sevens. Their defensive backs are mediocre at best. As an example they picked up Lito Sheppard in the off season. His skills have been steadily declining over the years, they consider him an upgrade, Ha. The Vikings had trouble with elite QBs last year. The only way they will be in contention in 2010 is with Favre(an elite QB).

Oh, in case y’all are wondering here is the completion percentage against the colts defensive backs:
                 CB1 CB2 S1 S2 AVERAGE
21. IND 59.70 60.20 50.00 83.30 62.58

 Y’all have an outstanding pass rush with a healthy Freeney.

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by DrWhoDat on Jun 24, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks...

that is my concern of Colts D… and now it is backed up by stats…….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not underrate the fact that the Saints were the best offense in the NFL

and probably the closest thing to the Greatest Show on Turf since them. They utilized everyone, from every formation possible, running every route. That is a hard defense to stop, and we did a good job overall. We did only give up 24 points on defense. If Freeney stays together, we probably give up under 20 which would be an incredible performance against that offense.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 24, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite true , I have thought the same many times

We concentrated so much on Run stoppage and teams last year wasted time running the ball. Schaub will have owen Daniels back too in our own division a,d it took a end 4th quarter TD drive to beat them and then later a missed FG by them to prevent overtime.

By draafting for run stoppage and not even getting production from Meola &Uof M player who didnt even make team, we could have got some better CBs which we are now definitely short on and will be picked on

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by bayone on Jun 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I DO define "bend-but-don't-break"

as surrendering lots of yards without surrendering points (or big plays). What worries me about that approach is that offenses can gain momentum and confidence when they continue to march down the field and get new downs – it gets harder and more frustrating on defense. I truly believe the Colts escaped Miami with that win last year, and it was the brilliance of the offense that did it.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jun 23, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly..... and exactly my worries too....

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by Manning4ever on Jun 23, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. And it wasn't just the Miami game

They got lucky against the Pats… Ravens too. And there were others.

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by teej813 on Jun 24, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Belive teej talking about regular season when late IT near goal line saved TD

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by bayone on Jun 24, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

We also fumbled away a touchdown. I believe Tom Santi fumbled at the goal line.

So the Ravens were lucky to have the opportunity at the end.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 24, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and Yes

If you’re interested…
Colts at Ravens Recap

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by teej813 on Jun 24, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That hit on Santi

was BRUTAL. I almost couldn’t be mad at him for fumbling the ball…

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by peytonsthebest on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh he was hit , then flyiing mid air and think got hit again while airborne and then fumbled

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by bayone on Jun 24, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember it well...

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Jun 24, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's haunted me the past 2 days...

Even when he sat up, he looked like he was counting birdies flying around his head.

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by teej813 on Jun 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.... that is why I was not too mad at thim....

and he made most of the catches since the Ravens were not really doubling him any way…. he does get great hands….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good hands!

Can’t speak to his blocking except for a play here or there in the Ravens game.

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by teej813 on Jun 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah... reminds me of Clark....

i hope he may eventually be like Clark that leans his way to be one of the best blocking TEs now…..

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally.

I mean he definitely had a Looney Tunes (Wyle E. Coyote) moment!

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by peytonsthebest on Jun 24, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, i felt bad for him, he'd been having such a good day

But i will say that the look on his face was rather funny.

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by teej813 on Jun 24, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha....

love the pic. Wyle E Coyote is my hubby’s favorite! And, his fac does resemble Santi’s…. after the hit! :)

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

grrrrrrrrr.......

face

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well its this "bend but dont break" approach that the Colts are trying to use less and less

as evident by the corners, safeties, and LB’s they have been drafting lately. Most of their scouting reports state that they all excel in man coverage and are better blitzers than some of the previous players we have had. I do expect to see an increase in blitzing next season due to this.

However, Abandoning the cover 2 would be very foolish. does it allow passes underneath? Yes. Have the Colts had the personell to run it to perfection? Not entirely. To run the Cover 2 to its absolute max potential, the front four must get pressure from all angles. This means that the interior has to get involved as well and not just the edges. The only team i have ever seen run the Cover 2 perfectly is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and thats because they got pressure from Sapp, Rice, McFarland, and Spires, not just Spires and Rice (Tampa’s equivalent to Mathis and Freeney, though id say Mathis and Freeney are better). That is a true Tampa 2 rush where everyone has to be accounted for and not just two players

The Tampa 2 defense is highly effective and bringing in a third rusher to spell Freeney and Mathis will allow the defense to generate a consistent rush. However if the Colts want to get the most out of rushing only four, players like Muir, Moala, Foster, King, and Mathews have to do their part in not only stopping the run, but generating a rush up the middle as well.

by metal_militia on Jun 24, 2010 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

WOW...

excellent explanation and write-up for my little ignorant football mind.. thank you! Hope to learn more as we talk more about the Defense (or Offense) before the beginning of the season. I think having a mix is good, due to our personnel and some teams are run-oriented and some pass-oriented. I think the Colts in 2009 were simply too injured in the SB to really play to their best. Well, i know there will be a few more rings to play for….. and hopefully both O and D will maximize their potential soon, very very soon….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You got the basis of the Tampa-2 perfectly, definitely

You also need a MLB that can play coverage (which we have), and a super-playmaking WLB (which we don’t really, at least compared to Derrick Brooks). I don’t think anyone is going to play Tampa-2 (or even basic cover-2) to the level the Bucs did, simply because of talent. Those Bucs teams were stacked defensively.

Now, the Colts, at least more than before, deviated from cover-2 a lot last year. The Colts played a lot of cover-3 (think the Ravens playoff game), and man cover – 1 (Pats second half, for the most part). The Colts played man a lot more than ever before, it seemed like, and with guys like Powers and Lacey and even Hayden all able to play ocmpetently in man coverage, expect the amount of man to increase.

Now, the Colts are still a cover-2 team, but it varies a lot more, and I’m not sure if I like it. Cover-2 has a soft connotation, because of the fact that it can give up a lot of long drives, but it WORKS. If you have good players (the Colts do), cover-2 can be great. It does limit scoring, as throwing against it becomes much harder the closer to hte end zone you get. It is easily learned, which allows the Colts to go through defenders like a factory line. It demands the offense function perfectly, and most cases elongating a drive greaters your chance of the offense finally faltering. Is it perfect? no. But does it work? Yes. Other than the 2000 and 2006 Ravens and 2008 Steelers, the best individual defenses of the decade have been the 2002 Bucs and the 2005 Bears, both classic cover-2 teams. Of course, they had the pass rush. With the pass rush, it allows the time that the offense has to perfectly execute their play to diminish. The Colts have done well with almost exclusively generating this rush from their two DEs, but the Bears and Bucs had great DTs, as militia mentioned. If the Colts get half the production from their DTs as the Bears got from Harris and Tank, or the Bucs from Sapp and McFarland, the Colts will be in great shape.

I have been clamoring, however, for Coyer to switch. He seemed uncomfortable in making adjustments in the cover – 2, like Dungy and Meeks did beautifully. Coyer is not a Tampa-2 coach, he is a 4-3 pressure coach, not unlike Jim Johnson and Spagnuolo. He was the guy whose pressure caused Tom Brady to lose his first playoff game. He is the guy whose pressure worked wonders on every QB not named Peyton Manning (to jog your memory, there were those two playoff games where Manning put up 90 points). He always seemed to revert to blitzing in big spots. I wish he either went the whole way and started to blitz like he used to, and rush Sanders (in the Lynch role), or bring the strongside linebacker (the DJ Williams role) like he used to. We also have the bodies on the DL to play that scheme, and the corners to play more man.

Anyway, I’m rambling, but only because defense is my passion, and with the Colts, I rarely get this opportunity to have a good conversation about defense. I’m happy with the Colts defense, assuming Freeney stays healthy, but I don’t think Coyer is totally happy, and that is as big of a problem as Freeney getting hurt.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 24, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Would LOVE to see more of your defense postings....

I agree with you on Coyer! That is why i am concerned. On Offense, our worries are petty regarding who is the #2 WR… hahaha.. but on Defense, though the Colts D has played well, they were not GREAT!!! and Coyer did seem not comfortable last year maybe because he was making adjustments so he can work better with the D or maybe due to transitions to a mix of schemes and, most like, all the injuries….. all these star D players were not there, Marlin, Kelvin most of the time, even rookie Powers got hurt, Sanders was not there, well… still I hope better things are to come…. and they better come fast so Petyon can get more rings!

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Thanks for taking time to explain. Rec’d.

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by teej813 on Jun 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not sure that is necessarily true

that Coyer is just a pressure coach by using extra blitzers. Monte Kiffin Certainly blitzed far more than Dungy did and blitzed even more when he left. However, he never wavered from the Tampa 2 D. He used a balance of Tampa 2 and a standard 4-3 pressure defense and thats how the Bucs earned the reputation of perfecting cover 2.

Again, I dont think you can deter too much away from the Tampa 2 and simply bring pressure on every down like Spagnolo or Jim Johnson. Hell, speaking of Spagnolo, he even recognized that he doesn’t have to blitz on every down. In the superbowl, he mostly rushed four and got pressure from Strahan and Osi on the outside while shifting Tuck inside to generate inside pressure.

To me, its about using what you have. In denver Coyer had shut down corners, and no defensive linemen that could generate pressure, so he brought the house on every play. Here he has a defensive line that can bring pressure so he rushes four. Im sure though that Coyer realizes that until he gets interior pressure from the middle to complement the edge pressure, he is going to have to find other ways of getting pressure. Given the players the Colts drafted prior to the new coaching regime, most of them were not fit for blitzing or playing man coverage. We are starting to see a shift with the players they have been drafting lately.

Basically what i am trying to say, is that I see Coyer going the Kiffen route, a balance between 4-3 pressure and Tampa 2. Remember, Coyer is a disciple of Kiffin’s as he was an assistant under him..

by metal_militia on Jun 24, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and hope Coyer achieved the same results as the elder Kiffen.....

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiffin did blitz a lot more than Dungy, but even then, it was not really a-gap stuff.,

Kiffin rarely blitzed the MLB. Coyer did that a lot last year, with a double a-gap blitz with Brackett and I believe Session.

Coyer is definitely not a Johnson/Spagnuolo guy. That is a different animal all together. I threw them in because they are both some of the most aggresive 4-3 guys out there. Coyer is in between, but that is where he seemed to get lost last year. Coyer tried to find a balance, and it didn’t totally work. I have a feeling that the Colts are drafting differently now, as you said, and we are shifting towards less Tampa-2, from a zone defense perspective, and going into a Jim Schwartz scheme of play in the back seven, with a lot of man-zone mixes.

As with everything, the key is the front-four. The best defense has the front four able to get pressure consistently, and with the Colts, we have that most of the time. It is what the adjustment is when it is not happening that will make this defense either be good (like in ‘09) or great (’05). So far, Coyer seems to only dail up the same double-a gap blitz when he needs to. It works well at times (3rd and 4th down in the New England game), but other times it got lost.

I have no idea where I am going with this, but I feel that Coyer got a bit lost in the middle last year. With a year under his belt, and a another year where the emphasis of coverage is going ever more towards man (at least for the corners), he may be in a better position to act like he naturally does.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Jun 24, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

True enough

Kiffen still didn’t blitz as many times as other coaches did. I simply stating that he did run a lot of blitzes in Tampa. Ronde Barber, a CB, couldn’t have gotten 20+ sacks if Kiffen didn’t blitx more than the Colts average.

I guess what im trying to say is that this defense can be a blitzing defense, and be effective at it, without throwing away the Tamap 2 defense. It would be a damn shame if the Colts went away from it to more of a standard aggressive 4-3 (which im sure is not the point you are conveying)

Like you I feel as though Coyer will be more comfortable with the players and what he has to work with next year with a year under his belt. On the contrary, I think the players will get more comfortable too as they are now used to blitzing rather than staying back in zone coverage all the time. I see big things happening for the defense this upcoming season and it will be even bigger if the interior rush from the DT’s show up.

by metal_militia on Jun 24, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look forward to both of you and dms

commenting a lot when the Defense 3rd down stats show up….. :) learning a lot here…. giving myself a break from drooling over Peyton…. heehee….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

you need to have players 100% on board with it mentally for the Tampa style to work to perfection. At times I feel that Colts defenders are a little slow at picking up the finer points of the defense they are being taught and it backfires. A lot of that comes with playing longer in the system but I like the move towards drafting guys that seem to be “smarter” players.

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by AceOfSpades on Jun 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

True with Spags in Super Bowl XLII

but they did blitz a lot more than generally perceived. Brady was flattened a lot by Gibril Wilson and Kawika Mitchell in that game. Either way, point still holds. Utilize what you have, and I think Coyer, after years of having average pass rushers in the front four, had to adjust to having two great pass rushers, and then he couldn’t readjust to having one when Freeney went down.

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by dmstorm22 on Jun 24, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi dmstorm22...

I look forward to more of your comments when mgrex03 posted his defense stats! on 3rd downs i believe….. thanks!

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

darn .... again....

posteds his defense

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa's defense

What I liked most about Tampa’s defense at its best, and even after their SB run, was the pre-snap movement by every one of the back 7. Everyone was moving around, disguising their coverage and intentions and it went a long way to confusing the other team’s offense.

My biggest gripe with the Colts defense over the years since Dungy came over is the lack of pre-snap movement. I don’t like to see them get into the base 4-3 or Cover 2 set and wait for the snap. They did a better job of moving around to disguise coverage last year, but I want to see more!

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by AceOfSpades on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

heeheee...

i love reading this blog…. especially these awesome comments on our defense…. makes the coming season more enticing…. 2010 SB45 here we come!!

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by Manning4ever on Jun 24, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

^^This^^

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by peytonsthebest on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Folks, this has been an excellent thread

Thanks.

Nothing more to add. Carry on….

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by Bobman on Jun 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

r u tim55's twins??

“carry on”…..
LOL

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