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Charlie Johnson suggests Colts o-line took Bill Polian's criticisms of them "personally" after the Super Bowl loss

For the first time in his somewhat improbable NFL career, former-6th round pick Charlie Johnson is entering an NFL season preparing to play only one offensive line position: Left tackle.

Ever since Johnson was taken out of Oklahoma State in 2006, he has played every single offensive line position except center. He played right tackle for most of Super Bowl 41, shutting down Bears pass rusher Alex Brown. Last season, just prior to training camp, he was given the nod to start at left tackle, which he did for most of the 2009 season. It was a move that was highly questionable, given that the Colts had invested a significant amount in Tony Ugoh, who had started at left tackle since 2007.

This year, the roles for Ugoh and Johnson have been reversed. Charlie is now Peyton Manning's blindside bodyguard, and Ugoh is learning how to play guard for the first time in his pro career.

Recently, Charlie Johnson was interviewed on Indianapolis radio 1070's The Fan for a show called "The Heavyweights." This is one of the few year-round dedicated Colts shows, hosted by Colts employees Jeffery Gorman and Will Wolford. WIBC employee Joe Stayniak, who at one time played for the Colts as an offensive lineman, also contributes to the show.

Yesterday evening, Staysniak asked Charlie a question about some of the "flak" the Colts offensive line has taken this off-season. Charlie's answer is somewhat interesting [emphasis mine]:

Staysniak: Offensive line caught some flak. I didn’t see that the offensive line played that bad in the Super Bow, but-

Wolford (interrupting): Come on, Joe! You know how it is.

Staysniak: Well, I know. How do you deal with something like that? And what is it about this offensive line once they're kind of cornered like that, you come out swinging?

Johnson: That’s just the way we approach things. If you look at our line, we're not a bunch of high round draft picks. We got a couple free agents. Everyone knows about Jeff Saturday, and myself being a sixth round pick. And Kyle DeVan a free agent. And I think Ryan Diem is a fourth round pick. We're a bunch of guys who’ve had to work to get where we are. So, anytime anything negative is said about us, we take it personally just in the fact that we know how hard we work and we feel like we go out there and we give everything we have for the team and for the game. So, were gonna bounce back.

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Now, unless Staysniak is a complete moron, which I do not think he is, the "flak" he is referring to is Colts President Bill Polian and the comments he made immediately following Super Bowl 44. As far as I know, Polian was the only person post-Super Bowl to take shots at the Colts o-line. Pretty much everyone else thought the o-line played well. Also, unless I am incorrect in my assessment of Staysniak's comments and their tone, he kind of thinks Polian's opinion on the Colts line play is less than informed. Polian clearly indicated that a big reason why the Colts lost the game was the poor play of the o-line.

Here's Polian back in February:

"Our offensive line, by our standards, did not have a good game," Polian told NFL.com. "They were outplayed by the Saints' defensive line."

Colts linemen who took issue with Polian's statement were NFLPA rep Jeff Saturday and longtime veteran Ryan Diem. Now, it seems you can add Charlie Johnson and Joe Staysniak to the list of current and former Colts offensive linemen who seem to think Bill Polian doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to evaluating the team's performance during Super Bowl 44. By the way Will Wolford sounds in the audio clip, he too seems to think Polian's comments were as dumb as everyone else seems to think they were.

If there is a positive to take out of Polian's silly "flak" attacks on the offensive line post-Super Bowl 44 it is that the line seems to be using his words as motivation to improve. Was that the reasoning for the comments all along for Polian? Doubtful, but who knows. Bill has a long history of getting emotional and saying very stupid things to the wrong people at exactly the wrong time. Also, his actions in free agency and the draft strongly suggest that he is not happy with the line's 2009 play.

I mean, Adam Terry wasn't brought onto the team just because Polian likes his Sasquatch look. He was brought in to compete with Diem for his starting RT job. Longtime Colts guard Ryan Lilja, who was arguably the best interior lineman playing last year for Indy, was cut this off-season for seemingly no reason. New faces like 2010 draftee Jacques McClendon and free agent Andy Alleman are competing for Lilja's old job. 

Watching how the offensive plays in 2010 will be an interesting sub-plot for this Colts team. It seems pretty clear that the veterans simple do not agree with Bill Polian's evaluation of their talents, and Polian is making it clear to the veterans that he has no problem replacing them if their performance does not (in his eyes) improve.

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I would have had a problem with Polian’s comments if I were them.

Peyton was the problem, not the line.

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by HudBaby on Jun 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Peyton was the problem?

You apparently didn’t watch that game.

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by deshawn zombie on Jun 26, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are funny my man

Reggie doesn’t dog his route in the fourth quarter, we go up. We go up, we win. We win and Peyton would have won his second Super Bowl MVP.

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by Bullard47 on Jun 26, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, not exactly...

but I agree, Peyton was hardly the problem.

Back to the article, in a way CJ is saying – you’re getting more than you paid for with the line. And he’s right!

by smonroe on Jun 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's assume for a moment...

that Polian was wrong in the specific sense that the line cost the team the SB.

The line is STILL the biggest concern going into this year. They still can’t run block effectively in general.

So Polian calls them out. Fair? Unfair? Does it matter? They weren’t very good on the whole of the season, even if they didn’t deserve to get blamed for the one game.

Does it matter that they took the criticism personally? Should we care if their feelings were hurt?

They need to play much better this year. If they get mad because of Polain’s comments and it makes them work harder and play better, then good.

It certainly won’t make them play any worse.

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by deshawn zombie on Jun 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

From a completely objective view

CJ said the highest draft pick on the line was Diem, a fourth pick, right?

If it were any other team, would you expect a lineup like that to be an above average line? If so, why?

by smonroe on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, so...

Why would anyone expect a line, with at best a 4th rounder starting, to be above average?

I’m curious if there’s another team in the league that doesn’t at least have 1 3rd rounder or better starting?

by smonroe on Jun 26, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I get your point

If the point is that the Colts haven’t invested in the line, that’s false. They have.

Draft position doesn’t matter after the draft. The best players play. The Colts have drafted linemen high. The lower guys played.

The bigger point is that none of them (except really Saturday) played exemplary football last year. With any QB other than Manning, everyone would know how weak the group overall is.

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by deshawn zombie on Jun 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agrred , Forgot the name of the offensive linemam,Think Rick Demulling ( Sp )

Who had once been a starter and after contract ended was picked up by Lions, later dropped and picked up back by Colts. Later dropped by us .

POINT IS EXACTLY AS DESHAWN SAYS by Rick Demullings own statement years ago even with Tarick Glenn. He said the Lions Thought i was reealy good as the line I was on protected Peyton well. I was dropped as Polian new I wasnt worth what the free agency offered. WHY Rick said , quite simply, Peyton is so great at getting rid of the ball and avoiding sacks even if he’s not mobile you can put any average line around him and HE MAKES THEM LOOK GOOD< DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE

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by bayone on Jun 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is you get what you pay for...

Draft position does matter. The higher the pick, the greater the expectations. (Ugoh, Pollak – high pick, low reward)

So when your starting line is made up of low picks, you’re lucky if they turn out better than expected (CJ, Jeff). In short, I’m saying our overall expectations may have been too high given the initial investment.

I’m probably not being real clear, but I don’t want to write a manifesto (lol).

by smonroe on Jun 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

Most o-lines on MOST teams are mostly low draft picks or free agents, except the blind side tackle. And the Colts o-line is STILL inferior, so it’s not an issue of us not investing. And franchise left tackles rarely drop as far down as where the Colts draft.

by flores salicis on Jun 26, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do you get your facts?

I did a quick check of 2 teams that have been pretty successful, the Pats and Chargers. (Similar draft positions)

Pats have a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder starting, Chargers have a 2nd, and two 3rd rounders.

I’m not saying we didn’t invest (Pollak, Ugoh). I’m saying that our starting line over achieved last season.

by smonroe on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you do a league-wide survey,

I’m pretty sure that you’ll find the average draft spot for 65%-70% of all the starting C’s, RT’s and G’s are somewhere between late 4th and late 5th.

Teams just don’t draft those positions very high in general.

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

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by Autra on Jun 27, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding

When’s the last time you saw a guard from the first round? Nevermind first round, even second or third. And I’m pretty sure center is one of the rarest positions selected in the first round (short of PK). I’d ask where you do your research instead.

by flores salicis on Jun 30, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

A guard?

Mike Iupati picked in the first round this year by the 49ers.

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by Cassieper on Jul 4, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We go up?

It was 24-17 at that time.

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by NYKings on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Troll

Please tell us how Peyton was the problem….

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by coltsfan723 on Jun 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowboy fans....

I have a feeling we may have a lot of fun with them this year…..

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by Manning4ever on Jun 26, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define fun.

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by Cassieper on Jul 4, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must have watched a different game

all I saw was Peyton absolutely picking apart the Saints, who were fortunate enough to benefit from an idiotic play from a guy whose married to possibly the biggest ho on the planet, freeney’s injury, and a half assed route and dropped td pass by reggie wayne. But you’re right…Peyton’s fault.

Say what you will about pats fans, but cowboys fans are the most ignorant football fans on the planet. Good luck with your head up his ass owner and fat oaf of a head coach next season. I will enjoy watching your team flush money down the toilet while paying too much for crappy free agents, Romo work on his short irons while completely forgetting what a horrible QB in the clutch he is, wasting money on crappy reality tv shows on spike tv, actually believing Roy Williams is a good receiver, and building a moronically large scoreboard in an oversized stadium that will likely never field a playoff team aside from the visiting squad.

I guess that’s what makes fans of underachieving free agent happy teams have to do though. Try and find a way to take shots at players you will never have that are superior to you in every way, even at the expense of revealing your ignorance. Please explain why Peyton was the problem to all of us, though. We’d love to hear it. Of course you won’t because you have the IQ of a brain damaged chimp, but give it a try. In the mean time, keep pretending like Romo, Williams, Brooking (haha, especially this hack), and the rest of your squad are actual contenders. Have fun watching other teams in the playoffs again next year.

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by npb1985 on Jun 26, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And don't forget they won over the Saints.... ONLY because Demarcus Ware played

lights out that game and obviously the Saints were not prepared for it since Ware hurt his neck or sth the game before….. If Freeney were healthy, Colts woud have hoisted the Lombardi the past year. (don’t shoot me, my personal opinion shared by some colts fans…)

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by Manning4ever on Jun 26, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you expect Peyton

to run block as well?

Get a clue.

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by peytonsthebest on Jun 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this assessment

here is a trade proposal i hope you accept plz plz plz plz plz plz

Colts give:

Peyton Manning
Bob Sanders
Anthony Gonzalez
First Rnd Pick 2011
First Rnd Pick 2012
First Rnd Pick 2013
First Rnd Pick 2014

Cowboys give:

Tony Romo

I’d like to give more, but really, we need all the help we can get, but I’m confident Romo can cover up a lot more of our problems than that bum Manning can. let me know if this deal is OK, if not, I can probably talk our team into signing Gilbert Gardner and adding him to the trade, too.

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by SpazMo on Jun 28, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

On Peyton & OL

Peyton had a good game, 1 bad play not nessesarily his fault, Plenty of yardage , descent % completion, some key dropped passes , Ie Garcon deep across middle with running room in full stride on 3rd down to stop a drive.

OL protected Peyton well enough, Did all year, Polian is reffering to certain 3rd & shorts in playoff games that the line couldnt physically handle the DL and open a hole. Why Lija let go great question, he was arguably the best run blocker even though smaller . Guess Polian wants beef upfront to make holes, push physically the DL when needed, we saw what Brown can do when given a good hole, u know addai can do same. Wouldnt mind seeing Hart after he builds up steam and breaks through a hole, hes has shown power at times, add that to momentum = alot of yards

Polian like all of us was dejected, he either should have said that behind closed doors or he spoke to instill this type of incentive into the OL this year

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by bayone on Jun 26, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

you are absolutely right...

BP should have said that behind closed doors….. and I agreed with what you have said. I know I am going to be thrown under the bus here again…. my personal opinion is that Chad Simpson who was let go seems to handle power running situation a bit better than Hart but they both did’nt play enough to show what they could have done. I love Addai and have high hopes for Brown…..

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by Manning4ever on Jun 26, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me

the O-Line isn’t a sub-plot this offseason… it is the main storyline, with Gonzo, cornerback and Sanders’ health being sub-plots.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jun 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Harrumph!

Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president

by teej813 on Jun 26, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doublerumph!

Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.

by linkish on Jun 26, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats the Subplot with Gonzo?

4th on the depth chart or cut?

Probably cut… For all your Gonzo fans, head to the white castle in castleton in August, maybe he’ll sign autographs.

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by SpazMo on Jun 28, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?? i will be there...

/sarcasm detector on!! ding ding ding….

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by Manning4ever on Jun 30, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

I thought it was the Colts pass rush. Brees had all day to pass the ball which I think Polian really knew that since he drafted hughes. If one of the one two punch of mathis and freeney isnt 100 percent then the pass rush is substancially worse. I think Polian knows thats the reason since he spent his first round pick on a pass rusher. I believe he is trying to motivate the oline but i dont agree with the approach he took. Johnson is actually not too bad and if he can continue to improve like he has he will become a very solid tackle. I will be very interested to see if the oline pickups will help with the rushing problem the colts have had although in the super bowl I believe the colts averaged like 4.5 yards a carry and i dont think that was the reason they lost the game…..Baskett might have been one, pass rush another and maybe our return game. and I know one play shouldnt impact the outcome of the game but the first possesion of the 2nd half is a tone setter and the colts failed at that thanks to baskett. However the colts have drafted returners, pass rusher, and got rid of Baskett so things are getting better. Im glad they are finally addressing the return game and im interested to see how angerer and that new lineman from tennesse does.
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by supercolts on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmm...

Charlie Johnson takes criticisms of the o-line personally.

The Red Headed Satan once criticized them.

Thus Charlie Johnson took the Red Headed Satan’s criticism personally.

Yea, I see the connection. Oh wait, I missed the key word “suggests”! It makes all the difference.

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by Marked Hoosier on Jun 27, 2010 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey

All I see the O-line taking from this is, while it’s cliche, they’ve got a “chip on their back” and have to show that they’re better now.

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by NYKings on Jun 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn... I'm late to the flame party.

And I’m still wondering if our guest is willing to elaborate on exactly how Manning was the problem? Especially given the fact that New Orleans was so… er, let’s call it “respectful”… of Manning’s arm that they practically used the nickle as a base formation, and Indy still managed to move the ball on them?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?…

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by E.M.H. on Jun 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

O-Line not the biggest problem, but it does need improvement

I don’t think the O-line is the Colts biggest problem. I think the Colts biggest problem is their defense. As the game wore on with Freeney injured they couldn’t put any pressure on Brees. And their zone defense gave enough room to the receivers at 10-15 yards for them to catch the ball, but get few yards after the pass. Where when they played more man-to-man in the first quarter, Brees was always 3 and out.

The defense come the 2nd half couldn’t stop the Saints at all.

The offense also wasn’t clicking on all cylinders in the 2nd half, but the main reason for that was because they were having to move the ball down the field much faster than they should have to make up for mistakes that the defense and special teams made. Although the O-line did fail several times on 3rd and short. To me I’d rank what they need to work on in this order:

1. Improve the defense
2. Improve special teams
3. Improve the O-line

by ColtsFanInEnemyTerritory on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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