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Did Bill Polian just take a shot at Jim Sorgi?

In an article posted today for the Indianapolis Star, Colts beat writer Mike Chappell discussed the team's back-up quarterback situation. When he asked team president Bill Polian to assess the situation, the response he got was:

"The backup quarterback is Curtis Painter. The question is: Do we carry a third, and if we do, who is it?"

For much of last season, Painter was the team's back-up. Longtime reserve quarterback Jim Sorgi was placed on IR in early December with a shoulder injury. During the off-season this year, the Colts opted to let Sorgi walk. He went on to sign with the NY Giants, where Peyton Manning's brother (Eli Manning) is the unquestioned starter at QB.

The decision to let Sorgi test the free agent waters was not one that drew much criticism. Since getting drafted in 2005 by the Colts, Sorgi never displayed the talent or desire to develop into starting-caliber player in the NFL, but was seemingly rather content collecting a six-figure salary while holding a clipboard on Sundays.

But was there more to Sorgi's departure than we thought? Check out this little segment from Chappell's article [emphasis mine]:

Since 2004, Colts management has declined to look for veteran help, instead relying on Jim Sorgi.

"If you have a young player that you feel has a future, that's always better than a veteran player who's proven that he can't do the job, which is why he's (available) in the first place," Polian said.

Sorgi, a 2004 sixth-round draft pick, was Manning's backup until a shoulder injury sidelined him midway through last season. He was released after the season, and landed with the New York Giants. Sorgi's injury resulted in a promotion for Painter, an 2009 sixth-round pick from Purdue.

"We like what Curtis has done and we're committed to him," Polian said.

Now, it's early and it's hot outside. I haven't had my morning coffee and I'm a bit bleary-eyed because of some insomnia last night. But that comment from Polian kind of appears like he's dissing ole Sorgi. Was Sorgi let go because Polian felt he just couldn't get the job done anymore?

For me, even though Sorgi seemed to have a strong football IQ, his physical limitations (arm strength) often prevented him from being more effective.

Or, was Polian's comment more general in nature, suggesting that Sorgi was, at one time, the "young player that you feel has a future" as opposed to some random veteran. If that's the case, I guess Sorgi doesn't have much of a future anymore in Polian's eyes. I mean, if the Colts thought Sorgi offered something more than Painter, they would have kept him.

It will be interesting to see if Sorgi says anything to this season to suggest that there was a falling out between him and management. I doubt there was, but Polian's comment kind of suggests that the Colts felt Sorgi's worth as a quarterback had diminished.

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I sort of read that as a rookie already drafted vs. a backup from the outside who was on the street

That’s strictly my read, of course, but I took that as not referring to Sorgi. Let’s also recall that Bradstater was also a topic in the article and was almost certainly a topic that Chappie asked Polian about. So even though the article wasn’t structured that way, the quote itself could have been due to the flow of the interview, with Polian actually referring to Bradstater instead of Sorgi.

But BBS’s question is pertinent. And because of the way the article was written, I think it can indeed be read the way BBS is putting forth here for questioning, even though I don’t think it was Polian’s original intent.

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by E.M.H. on Jun 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorgi was not a good backup QB for us

Pro-Sorgi folks like to point out his good stats when he has played, but seem to forget who the opposition for those games were and what the overall circumstances were.

On paper, Sorgi looked like he played a good game in the 2004 season ending loss to playoff-bound Denver. The fact is that it was already known that the Colts and Broncos would face each other in the first round of the playoffs and both teams played completely vanilla schemes. Of course this should have favored the Colts since their defense plays that way anyways. Other than one long pass to Wayne, Sorgi was dinking and dunking the entire game for a whopping 6 yards per attempt. Passes thrown to the outside clearly did not have enough steam on them and it was at this time I knew he was never going to be a good backup for us. I remember having a running argument with Bob Orr on the Colts mailing list about him.

Every time he was in there to mop up the end of the season he faced either dispirited losing teams or playoff-bound teams that did not need the game.

The most damming evidence against him was when Manning was out for the entire off-season and preseason in 2008. Sorgi got almost every rep with the first team throughout training camp and pre-season.

With all this time to work with the starters he should have flourished. But instead he wilted. He looked INCOMPETENT running the offense in the preseason and we hardly scored with the starters playing.

Here is your Sorgi scouting report:

Below average arm strength and accuracy (beyond 10 yards).

Slow release

Slow feet in pocket with little pressure awareness

Unable to challenge defenses over the deep middle or sidelines due to subpar arm and anticipation.

As far as I can tell, Sorgi stuck around ONLY because Manning liked him and Manning trusted him with some of his prep work.

I imagine that Polian was itching to get rid of him for years. The main obsticle to that was Dungy and all the injuries we have had for the last few years. It is hard to carry and develop a third QB when you need the roster spot for an injured Bob Sanders, Marvin Harrison, or Brandon Stokley.

by zilla1126 on Jun 28, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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QB that struggles to throw 1 td in preaseon has no place on the Colts roster. Sorgi didn’t look interested at all in getting better, that was obvious to see.

by gteare28 on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

you never emphasized anything in that quote

I don’t see anything in there as a slight against Sorgi. They let him go because there are cheaper options that can do the exact same thing: Stand there doing nothing. If he and Painter had the same salary they’d have kept him.

Not that I care, but there’s really no justification for saying something like “Sorgi never displayed the talent or desire to develop into starting-caliber player in the NFL, but was seemingly rather content collecting a six-figure salary while holding a clipboard on Sundays.” – You have no idea what kind of desire he had. I don’t think anyone on earth would pretend he had the talent to start in the NFL, nor is that even relevant since he was playing behind Peyton. But the kid was a hard worker and got way more out of his mediocre talent than a lot of guys get with much more. If he lacked desire or a work ethic they would’ve replaced him long ago.

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by willyduer on Jun 28, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

We obviously don't know the whole story....

and definitely not me. But it seems willyduer is on the spot. Sorgi knows his place. From one of the “heavyweights” interview I heard last year before the SB, he was very frustrated and clearly did show “desire” to win and play. But with Peyton, he knew he couldn’t… just like right now with Eli. I don’t know the man, but as Peyton’s backup, he had done a pretty decent job and surely Peyton relied on him a lot. Yeah, i think he was cut due to his salary…. and probably his age and it is time to move on to some new talents…

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by Manning4ever on Jun 28, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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