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So, about that "Anthony Gonzalez is the 4th wide receiver" thing...

Because I enjoy getting my head ripped off and tossed in a blender by some members of our wonderful community, let me once again state that, based on the information I have, Anthony Gonzalez will likely not be the starting wide receiver for the Colts for the 2010 season the way he was for the 2009 season. Pierre Garcon and Reggie Wayne are the assumed outside "flanker" wideouts while Austin Collie will continue to play slot receiver. Two writers from PFT agreed with this assessment, as did a source close to the team (who I cannot name).

Yet, for some of you, the thought of Gonzo likely not getting his starting job back was utterly unacceptable, and based on what Gonzo did for the Colts in 2007 and 2008, that's somewhat understandable.

Last night, I stumbled across a Tweet from the Indy Star's PhilB that caught my attention:

For fans already wondering, I think Pierre Garcon will be Colts' No. 2 WR with Anthony Gonzalez splitting slot time with Austin Collie.

I'm fairly certain Phil's thoughts on the starters at wide receiver will likely not get attacked in the same way mine were. Phil is a very observant guy, and he knows this team quite well.

That said, I'd like to make it clear that it is entirely possible that his opinion and mine, based on what we know on this subject, could be completely and totally wrong when the final Week One depth chart is released. But, this isn't about being "right" or "wrong." This is me (opinionated blogger) telling all of you (rabid Colts fans) what I was hearing, and giving you the likely reasons why things were shaking out the way they were with Gonzo and Garcon.

Star-divide

Like with the Joseph Addai v. Donald Brown debate last year, in the end what we are getting is a much deeper, much more talented corps of receivers regardless of who starts.

We can debate until September who "deserves" to start and who doesn't. However, it seems pretty clear that the Colts are higher on Garcon than they are on Gonzo. Like many of us, I'm fairly certain they did not expect Garcon to develop into the playmaker he is today. They may have hoped he would develop, but to have a Division III kid to eventually set a record in an AFC Championship Game, filling in for a highly touted first rounder like Gonzo; I don't think the Colts were expecting that.

Some folks contested that is was silly to think Garcon had supplanted Gonzo, citing stats from Football Outsiders and other websites. All information was appreciated, and helped make our community a bit smarter. However, the Colts themselves don't seem to agree that Gonzo offers more than Garcon. The general sense I have gotten from talking to several people who follow and report on the team is that Garcon offers more upside than Gonzo.

I also recognize that the Colts have told Gonzo he will be able to compete for his old job as a starter again. For me, I see that as a team placating a player they like and respect. However, realistically, Gonzo will likely not start for this team as an outside WR unless there is a injury. He is probably going to fight Austin Collie for snaps at slot receiver, which just so happened to be Gonzo's "old job" prior to 2009.

Despite the intensity of the discussion, the comments we all generated as a result of the "Gonzo is the 4th WR" posts were, overall, good for the site. Strong opinions were raised. Arguments were heated. It was a topic people very much cared about. I have no problem with people voicing strong opinions. I have strong opinions, and I often express them with the tact of a coked-up wild boar. It's just how I am. When i see people get as worked up over something as I do, it means (for me) that I'm doing my job as a facilitator of discussion.

I especially want to point out the many fine posts Jamkel wrote arguing the other side of things. He could probably take many of his comments, tie them all together, and it sell as a 300 page book!

Whatever happens between now and September, it seems obvious to my clearly objective eyes (ha!) that the Colts have the best WR group in football. Remember 2007? Craphonso Thorpe? Aaron Morehead? Any of them ring a bell? Remember how AWFUL they were? Today, we have a guy (Gonzo) who was an unquestioned starter last year heading into Week One battling for snaps at slot receiver this year. Behind him is a promising kid from Canada that Peyton Manning is very high on (Sam Giguere) and a rookie from Michigan State that Colts GM Chris Polian seemingly wants to elope with (Blair White). I haven't even mentioned Taj Smith, who has developed nicely since coming to Indy. 

Oh, and there's still Dallas Clark.

This crew might be six players deep! If you are WR Coach Ron Turner and Offensive Coordinator Clyde Christensen, this crop of receivers has to have you watering at the mouth. As Manning himself said recently, the last time the Colts had a group like this was when Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, and Troy Walters were all healthy for a season. That season was 2004, and Manning threw 49 TDs that year.

Here's Peyton on June 4th, 2010:

I think we have a chance to be as deep as we ever have been with receivers. I’d say close to Marvin (Harrison,) (Brandon) Stokely, Reggie (Wayne), Troy Walters, (that) was a very deep group and I think even Aaron Moorehead was number five that year and made some deep plays for us. Certainly it’s got a chance to be a deep group, all guys that bring something a little different to the table.

Dear NFL Defenses,

Be very afraid.

Sincerely,

Colts WRs

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I’m one of those who have followed these comments back and forth and have actually begun to believe your argument. But I also have to say I can’t wait for other Colts football stories/discussions. This isn’t a dead horse, it’s a well-churned puddle of glue at this point.

by 18forPrez on Jun 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

None of us should be surprised if Gonzo wins his job back, of course. But likewise, him being a 4th guy should be no surprise either.

Given the injury history of this team, this is great news. No more 6-pick desperation games. We’re good even if two guys get hurt. If noone gets hurt, sure, someone’ll be unhappy. But it’s a nice problem to have.

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by willyduer on Jun 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd

Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.

by DontHateAddai on Jun 9, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG
As Manning himself said recently, the last time the Colts had a group like this was when Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, and Troy Walters were all healthy for a season. That season was 2004, and Manning threw 49 TDs that year.

Yes Please!

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by coltsfan723 on Jun 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't it be awesome if Peyton just blows that record out of the water?!

I remember hearing that Peyton told some of the reporters that he could have had 55-60 TDs that year! The man threw 49 in what, 15 games?! The Colts are coming out with a vengeance this season!

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by KMR24 on Jun 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzo

Said in a TV interview recently that he had another “setback” but he expects to be ready to go in August. This is disappointing.

I think Gonzo is more talented and a more polished receiver than Garcon, but as long as he keeps having “setbacks” and stays on the injury list, Garcon is going to be the guy.

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by AceOfSpades on Jun 9, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

Do you have a link to this interview?

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by Brad Wells on Jun 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Channel 8 (wish tv) news

They interviewed him during his charity golf outing for The First Tee recently.

I was surprised he was so candid about it because the Colts always tend to try to hide that kind of stuff.

At least I am 90% sure that was the channel.

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Jun 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ashley Adamson

did the story

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Jun 9, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many thanks

I just contact WISH TV and they a confirmed what you saw. They are sending me a transcript of what he said.

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by Brad Wells on Jun 9, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

will await your link in your other thread....

thanks BBS!

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by Manning4ever on Jun 9, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No links

not computer savvy enough and I couldn’t find the story at wishtv.com either

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Jun 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the update

This is what I was afraid of

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jun 9, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

August? Yeah....

Heard that one before. Remember last season after the injury when he was out 2-4 weeks. Then 6. then 6-8. Then back by week 16. Then for the playoffs. Then IR.

I hate being pessimistic, and if he is back on the field in August, that’s fine by me, but after the way the seriousness of his injury was hidden all season last year when we expected him back, count me as one of those who thinks there may be more to this.

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Jun 9, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well here is BBS not afraid to stick his neck out.

 I am one of the passionate fans, much like BBS, I have been saying from the beginning of this converation. Gonzo is #2 as far as talent is concerned. Gonzo’s size, speed, hands and quickness are better suited for the slot. Pierre has earned the outside reciever spot. Garcon can help open Gonzo, Collie and Clark in the middle of the field. Pierre is a very fast reciever, I believe he will only get better, but, make no bones, Gonzo is the 2nd most talent WR on our roster when healthy. I said before, and will say again, Gonzo in the slot against the #3 or #4 CB on the opposing defense has to give Peyton, Clyde and Ron the biggest boners of their lives. Throw in Dallas Clark and Austin Collie on 5 WR sets, no one will be able to cover them all. BBS, great post, I admire the fact that you are sticking to your guns. Keep up the good work.

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by whardiek on Jun 9, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

So the slot receiver

isn’t necessarily “third best?” Seriously, some one should’ve said this weeks ago. Rec’d

by naptown_ninja on Jun 10, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

How Amazing is it...

that we have such good recievers that we are having this argument to begin with. I’m glad we are having this argument, instead of being worried about whether or not we have the talent to fill these spots.

by Kurtayn on Jun 9, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Injuries vs talent

I do not understand the need to designate someone as a #2, #3, #4 etc. since after the obvious #1, Mr.Wayne, no one can say that a #2 supposed designation to Garcon is going to land him #2 looks and touches.

The issue with Gonzo is health, not his talent. If the entire premise of him being designated a #4 WR is because of his health, heck yeah, it is crazy to argue otherwise. But if the premise of him being designated as a #4 WR is talent, based on what he showed the first 2 years, if his health is 100% back, he could easily challenge everyone starting with whoever the WR is #2 on the depth chart. But the fact is, he is not 100% right now. With all these setbacks, yep, it is likely that he will rotate with Collie most likely in the slot, I would love for him to do so since I always had high marks for him personally in the slot. He does have valuable knowledge of the playbook and when used with limited reps, could have a greater chance of remaining 100% healthy throughout the year.

But like everyone agrees, it is a real nice problem to have. Blair White could end up being another of those great Polian UDFA pickups, or should I say, Blair White picked the Colts, because of you know who :-).

by chad72 on Jun 9, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Who?

or should I say, Blair White picked the Colts, because of you know who :-).

Me? Oh! you meant Peyton.

/heh

Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president

by teej813 on Jun 10, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzo and Roy Hall

Brittle OSU bones. “Waiter(slurring)! Bring me another Boniva n’ RedBull!”

by naptown_ninja on Jun 10, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Brittle bones=Mr. Glass

Now we just need the Bruce Willis character from unbreakable and we are set.

by Selador on Jun 10, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

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