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The Renewed Discussion of HGH

If you have been monitoring some of the recent league news, you'll know that a new blood test for hGH may be emerging.  The only reaction from the NFLPA has been for Kevin Mawae to question its reliability.

This may be a small blip on the off-season radar, but it got me to thinking about the use of hGH, steroids, or any other substance that unfairly advantages one player over another.  And here's my opinion - I am IN FAVOR of these substances...

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for players who are injured and trying to return to the field.  My reasoning is that (a) it returns players to the field who the fans want to watch, and (b) it is only fair in a game that is so brutal on the body.

Consider the Colts players who have had trouble with injuries in the recent past - Bob Sanders, Anthony Gonzalez, Marlin Jackson (yes, yes, I know he's an Eagle now, but I'm counting him here because he had so many injuries while he was with the Colts).

What is it doing to the game and to the league when the top players are not available?  Maybe only 5 or 10 people decide to not watch the game on TV, or 15 or 20 forego a shiny new #21 jersey, or a couple of friends decide it's not worth it to go to the game that weekend.  Thankfully, the presence of ever-healthy Peyton Manning has so far minimized the impact, but consider for a moment.... no wait, don't even consider it.  (But I do wonder what the economic impact of Brady's injury did for the 2008 Patriots.)

Anyway, even when we are fortunate to have players like Melvin Bullitt and Pierre Garcon step up beautifully, I can't help but think that people are at least a wee bit disappointed to not see the stars.  So why not allow injured players come back with the assistance of carefully-administered medications that anyone else in the free world has access to?

I understand there are risks, so build some mitigation into contracts (like a league physician must accompany the player to all medical appointments, or the player forfeits pay should the medication result in some side effect preventing him from playing).  Once the player is healthy, they would have to sit out a little longer to allow the medication to be eradicated from their body... but it could still return someone to the field a little sooner.

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I dont know

I would have to take back all the terrible things I said about Rodney Harrison. And I dont think I’m ready to do that.

by DFreeney on Jul 12, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

What are the negative medical effects that come with HGH

We all hear about the medical effects of steriods (acne, loss of testosterone, etc), but the negative effects of HGH are always kind of hushed down.

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by dmstorm22 on Jul 12, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

DannoE over at Music City Miracles

turned me on to this pretty awesome read about a cyclist who decided to experiment with PEDs. I really recommend you read it. It is lengthy but worth it.

ESPECIALLY YOU LOVINBLUE, this is right up your alley.

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by JustAJ on Jul 12, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe I should post the link

http://outside.away.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.html

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by JustAJ on Jul 12, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, AJ

Great read – compelling story. What a bold way to learn about the effects of these drugs… I know I certainly couldn’t do it (though the idea of reduced joint pain and better eyesight are a bit intriguing…)

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 12, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

acne is true, loss of test. only if you’re an idiot.

by shep31 on Jul 12, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Disagree

Isn’t HGH used mainly for growth enhancement, how would that be fair to the other players that don’t get injured and build their bodies naturally.
What about the side effects latter on in live by use of a steriods such as organ failure, loss of sexual performance.

by Ufanforreal on Jul 12, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Heres a link

http://www.antiaginginfo.net/hgh-side-effects.htm

From 3rd paragraph

Long-term abuse, as seen in athletic use, can lead to more pronounced, and sometimes deadly, side effects such as irregular heart rhythms, increased risk of diabetes, joint and facial deformities, and a shut down of the pituitary glands.

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by bayone on Jul 12, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Another site

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/human-growth-hormone-hgh-side-effects.html

similar to Mr. Indianapolis Colts see his list above plus few others & NOTE article SAYS Its List are JUST SOME OF THEM

Liver Damage
, Heart enlargement unreversable,
low blood sugar enough to create Diabetic Coma,
Thyroid Damage

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by bayone on Jul 12, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

your an idiot

it’s called cheating, it increases the performance in everyway. it increases hand-eye coordination, physicla strength, speed, reaction timing, all of these are keys in contact sports. and people are always injured and they have been getting injured since sports sports started, what makes them so special that they can cheat and recover faster. it’s like calling a cheat sheet a study guide

by Mark_Husker on Jul 12, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Your the smartest

First of all you overstate the effects of HGH. It’s not a steroid. The effects aren’t really all that significant, even when megadosed. It’s a minor (but still useful, don’t get me wrong) aid for bodies that are taking a ridiculous physical beating.

I’m pretty pro-steroid and HGH in general, assuming responsible use (though of course, most people aren’t responsible), so I’m a tad biased on the matter, but even independent of that bias, I think testing for HGH will be problematic for the NFL simply because so many people are on it. They’re either going to have a ton of suspensions and bad PR or people will go off of it and we’ll see more games lost to injury. There are already too many. The Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and please don’t be so stupid as to get caught (Rodney!) “rule” against it they have now is fine. There’s no need to open that can of worms. The only things that can come from it are bad.

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by willyduer on Jul 12, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it would be considered cheating... now

But my argument is to remove the restrictions that would classify the use of these medications as “cheating.” Full disclosure: I’m also in favor of legalizing marijuana, but that’s a debate for another day ;-)

Also, you ask the question (if I interpreted correctly) of what makes professionals so special that they can “cheat and recover faster.” From what I understand, they are actually the ones prevented contractually from access to these substances; amateur athletes and even those who don’t participate in sports DO have access… what makes them more important than the pros?

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 12, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Another problem is how you stop those guys from further using them.

Now, its illegal and there are lots of guys using them. If they are legalized, then how do you know when they aren’t using them anymore?

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by BlueMark1821 on Jul 12, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely would be an issue

Part of my thought process hinged on the availability of a blood test (which seems to be coming… if not in the near future). I admit to not understanding whether it’s even possible to use these drugs for a short time to heal, then wean off them to actually play, but testing would have to be part of the process.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LB, if it benefits the game or not, I htink the biggest problem regarding legal usage is human nature

Sort of like the “tragedy of the commons” in which all villagers graze their sheep on the commons until it’s an over-grazed desert, in the “legalized” future, guys who are using currently illegal PEDs because of a legit injury, would just keep claiming injury to sustain the usage. “I got a sore back. Now I have a stiff neck…” And if asked why, they’d say, “I have to do it because everyone else will do it.”

So medical and competitive issues aside (and they are the biggest ones) I think that if this stuff was to be legalized, overseeing and controlling it would be impossible. If the choice is between overly repressive order* in the NFL or chaos, I’ll go for order. For chaos, we have MMA/pro wrestling.

*(I don’t think it’s overly repressive, but I went to the extreme to emphasize the point)

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by Bobman on Jul 12, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly sure but if like testosterone

Testosterone takes quite a while, can be 6-12 months before one builds muscle, Think this also takes time, forgot exactly its pathways bioichemistry wise

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by bayone on Jul 12, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that "idiot" ain't banned.

OMG…LOL

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by BlueMark1821 on Jul 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

I’ll look past the name-calling to see the substance of the argument and leave it to others to decide who should be banned. Plus, I don’t have that power, LOL.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 12, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have just now warned him for personal attacks.

There’s no need to ban a first offense.

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by Cassieper on Jul 12, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming back from injury is a grey area

I appreciate the argument that it’s only fair to let athletes have access to treatments that might ease the physical abuse on their bodies. But there are two problems:

First, as many others have pointed out, the long-term side effects of treatments like HGH are not well understood even when administered with great care by licensed doctors.

Second, the incentives to over-use and abuse these treatments make it impossible for the athletes themselves to make a fair choice. The incentive of millions of dollars basically amounts to economic coercion. If you’re a talented kid who grew up dirt poor (as many NFL players did) and you’ve got this one chance to take care of yourself and your family for life, how much are you going to think about your quality of life at age 40? An employer who holds out that kind of incentive has an extra obligation to ensure that you’re not going to life out the rest of your life in pain (as many NFL ex-players do). That includes proper safety procedures, protective gear, and making sure that questionable chemical enhancement is not an option.

There’s never going to be a hard-and-fast answer to what is acceptable for injury treatment. Individual cases should be evaluated repeatedly as the state of the art evolves. Some people have considered Tommy John surgery an unfair performance enhancement because some high-profile MLB pitchers actually threw harder after coming back from the surgery than they had before their injuries. Then there was the question of whether androstenedione is a “performance enhancer” or a “dietary supplement”. Questions like those will always keep coming up.

We examine the evidence case by case and we try to make the best choice at any given time. But it’s never bad to err on the side of caution, even for players who we really want to see on the field. Their bodies are on the line, not just during their careers, but for decades afterward.

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by szquirrel on Jul 12, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Drugs like Steroids and HGH

are already being used by doctors on people in the real world for injuries and treatment. I see no reason why an athlete shouldn’t be allowed to use a treatment recommended by a doctor and supervised by a doctor.

However, I think that any player who decides to use this treatment should have to sign a waiver/statement indicating that and that once the treatment regiment is complete I will continue to take drug tests for such a period to prove I am no longer receiving said treatment.

I have no complaint with anyone, average person or athlete, taking every opportunity within reason to assist in recovery from an injury. People go to other states and countries to receive treatment that they cannot get at home due to lack of doctors, availability, or even money…

by DevilsReject on Jul 12, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Bob Sanders is already on steroids...

Anyone who denies that has no concept of realistic human anatomy.

by Collin McCollough on Jul 12, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Just for saying that, He will track you down and crush you between his pectorals

It’s certainly a possibility, but a few things make me say no.
1) I’ve wrestled and worked out with a lot of guys who were just pure freaks in terms of genetic muscle development. In the pre- “steroids for every body” era. If not chemically altered, Bob is out on the end of the range, to be sure. But for every 5-9 guy you see who weighs 135 and looks it, there are guys who weight 210 and look it.
2) Personality. He exhibits NONE of the off field characteristics of these guys. He is quiet and soft-spoken, not a flamboyant, me-first, loud-mouth. (plus no legal/anger management/“this guy is a jerk” issues that I am aware of)
3) Upper-body strength aside, his game is built on speed and anticipation. Yes, ‘roids help all muscle development, which would help speed (ask Ben Johnson among many other track stars), but he’s not a beat-em-up type guy, which is kind of counter to the ‘roid user image.
4) Seven years in the NFL, three in college, and no rumors/accusations I’ve heard of. Contrast that with Cushing, who had rumors coming outr of HS and college, and finally got njailed after only a couple months in the NFL.

All in all, a lot of opinion and circumstantial evidence, but it’s a big enough pile for me to not feel uneasy about Bob Sanders. As I said, it’s possible that he is a user. I would bet $100 against it, but not my house.

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by Bobman on Jul 12, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno if I'd even risk $100 bucks...

… because look at his arms! My God, they’re insane!

But aside from that, I do mostly agree with you. I, too, thought about the " ‘roid rage" characteristics and noted that Bobzilla’s not known for any of them. So I do note that there’s both incriminating as well as exculpatory evidence here, which means that I take the fence sitting stance where ‘roids and Sanders is concerned. I’d wonder how his arms got so freakish if he was proven to not be taking them, but I’d also wonder how he didn’t exhibit any of the standard personality characteristics if he was. I just don’t have enough evidence to decide one way or another.

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by E.M.H. on Jul 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be ridiculous.

Bob Sanders is not human.

Bob Sanders EATS humans.

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by willyduer on Jul 13, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks LB

This is the discussion some of us TRIED to have when the Cushing thing came down. You make interesting very debatable points.

by naptown_ninja on Jul 12, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Something is wrong with me...

That actually made sense. Oh Lord, what is happening?

by jackj7 on Jul 12, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I cant

I realize I cant begin to argue with some of the people in this thread because they take everything the see on the news as fact… Some of you are so uninformed you cant have a real conversation about the real effects of these substances. If steriods kill people, where are the bodies?
Tough to watch, still worth the listen.

by shep31 on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That list of wrestlers

Is a joke….

First and foremost, you cannot prove that half of those guys died as a direct result of steroid use, let alone prove that half of them even used steroids at all.

Secondly, we’ve all heard of perfectly healthy people dropping dead without a single explanation.

Lastly, how is it that a guy like Keith Richards, who’s probably done more illegal drugs in his lifetime than some of us have taken breaths, isn’t dead himself at roughly 70? Because drugs can CREATE problems doesn’t mean they always do.

Most of these guys lived fast, partied hard, and abused drugs and alcohol anyways…… not to mention constantly being on the road.

by DevilsReject on Jul 13, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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