John Oehser: Pierre Garçon "logical" to be starter over Anthony Gonzalez
by Brad Wells on Jul 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
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Print[Door opens. Zombie Horse enters wearing an Anthony Gonzalez jersey as a saddle.]
Zombie Horse: Hi everyone. I'm "The Dead Horse." BBS said I should stop by one more time so he can beat me. Since he pays me pretty well with the fresh corpses of Patriots fans, I share with you this section from a recent article by Examiner.com's John Oehser, who also does special features for Colts.com:
Gonzalez, when healthy, has big-play ability and is one of the team's better runners after the catch. He is a first-round talent and his return to the lineup is one of the reasons the Colts could have their deepest receiving corps in recent memory.At the same time, it seems logical the Colts could leave [Pierre Garcon] at the outside spot opposite Reggie Wayne. Garcon is a big-time talent with special ability to run after the catch and speed to get open deep, and Collie proved himself more than capable in the slot.
Considering that, Gonzalez's role could be anything from a starter to essentially the No. 4 receiver in the Colts' offense. And while his ideal scenario obviously is the former, whatever his role his return can't help but help the Colts and it may be what moves them from a very good offense last year to one of their best in recent memory.
Zombie Horse: So, to recap, that's now John Oehser, Mike Chappell, PhilB, and Gregg Rosenthal who have all said essentially the same thing BBS said waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in early May: That Pierre Garçon will probably start over Anthony Gonzalez as we head into the 2010 season. At best, Gonzo is fighting with Austin Collie for the slot receiver gig. But, considering Collie played better at slot in 2009 than Gonzalez ever did during his two previous seasons at the position, it's doubtful Gonzo will win that job; unless, of course, Collie gets hurt. Thus, Gonzo is the team's 4th wide receiver.
OK, if that's all, I'm happy to take my leave of you once again. I'll probably stop by sometime at or around mid-August, when the starting offensive unit takes the field in pre-season. Until then, keep the Pats corpses coming, BBS! Oh, and Go Colts [living or undead]!
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Really BBS?
I don’t want to read the same freakin thing over and over and over. I don’t care who agrees with you, getting backed up by the media doesn’t make you right. It’s just another writers opinion. We get it that you think Garcon is the starter. I can’t speak on behalf of Stampede Blue community but I don’t need to be reminded of this every month or so.
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by Blazinblue on Jul 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
*every day or so
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by Colts Homer on Jul 15, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome.
Hopefully you won’t be banned.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 15, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering that, Gonzalez's role could be anything from a starter to essentially the No. 4 receiver in the Colts' offense.
Considering that, Gonzalez’s role could be anything from a starter to essentially the No. 4 receiver in the Colts’ offense.
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by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It actually says:
“At the same time, it seems logical the Colts COULD leave [Pierre Garcon] at the outside spot opposite Reggie Wayne.”
The key word being COULD… again, basically saying that it very well COULD be a possibility. Big woop!!! Point of this whole blog posting?? HMMMM…
by ColtKing on Jul 15, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I noticed this...
“logical he could be” is different from " logical that he will be".
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no kidding...
wow…what a call. putting Garcon who had a breakout year ahead of a guy that had a bad knee injury and didn’t even participate in the mini-camp this spring…that was a tough one to call!
How about
The guy who dropped a major pass in the Super Bowl and has iffy hands at best over the guy who was a leader in DVOA before his injury? That sounds about right.
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by Colts Homer on Jul 15, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That drop , right in the #'s on 3rd down stopped an important drive
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Plus he was in stride running across middle , deep and had room to run, STILL SEE IT
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gonzo might have caught it...
but he would have been a yard short of the first down!
i am not going to beat a guy up who otherwise had a breakout year for one dropped pass…even if it was in the SB.
Sorry BBS, but this article does not back you up whatsoever
1. Oehser says either options could apply on who’s starting on the outside, citing both men’s talents. But, he only says it’s logical that the team COULD leave Garcon outside, and makes no mention whatsoever of Gonzalez starting inside, stark contrast to what you’ve been saying.
2. He covers his behind saying that anything is possible.
3. Logically does not equal probably.
4. Your statements saying Garcon and Collie’s numbers are “better” than Gonzo’s yet again is unsupported, seeing how numbers on both Garcon and Collie’s say they are just… average.
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And Football outsider disagrees with BBS
They think Gonzales should be the second starter, its in the book as well as in a recent ESPN chat they had. they basically said that he was much, much ,much more reliable based on the past than even Garcon’s year was last year. But you don’t see BBS posting anything that contradicts what he says all the way, because that would be, ya know, unbiased journalism.
WR2
how important is route running at the WR2 spot? if his job is primarily gunning down field then great.. garcon <= gonzo.. i think that if the WR2 spot has to correctly read defenses and make adjustments then gonzo <= garcon… i couldn’t imagine how limited the colts offense was last year because manning didn’t trust that garcon would make the correct read.. regardless of what “experts” think, if manning doesn’t trust the guy will take the correct angle he won’t start over gonzo.. who from what i’ve read, is excels at that, along with collie…
I think I just thought of a pretty solid way to handle it...
Garçon in on first and second downs, particularly early in games, and in desperation situations (big plays needed). With a big lead or great offensive flexibility, bring him in for that. On running downs to the outside to his side, bring him in for that. If we need completions, if we’re grinding offensively and have to have receptions, on third or fourth down attempts, or at the goal line, bring in Gonzo.
That is just at the number 2 spot. The slot spot would probably change to Collie in the same situations Gonzo moves over. Just a thought, it just came to me… LIGHTBULB! lol
run downs
i never considered who was the better blocker?
by ColtfaninPitts on Jul 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Garçon is easily superior to any WR on our team as a blocker...
And is probably one of the best WR blockers in the NFL.
I don't forget his penalties...
But he got those under control for the last 6-9 games of the year, counting the playoffs. And physically, regardless of penalties, he is vastly superior as a blocker than the others.
The problem with that is that it requires substitutions.
That doesn’t work very well with a no-huddle offense.
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I think if you know when you're going to make those substitutions...
It’s not too difficult to make it happen quick enough to keep the pace going. We do make substitutions, running backs change change fairly regularly, two TE to three WR sets switch. We bring in fullbacks like Glenn/Foster. I don’t think we’re talking about something that will fundamentally alter the pace of the Colts offense.
the <= is a fabricated arrow, not less than or equal to.. my bad
by ColtfaninPitts on Jul 15, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Next time,
make the arrows like this: <- or →
Use the dash sign instead of the equal sign.
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by szquirrel on Jul 15, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
/is ashamed he didn't say it first...
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by Marked Hoosier on Jul 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Really.
You’re off your game today.
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by peytonsthebest on Jul 15, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
THE SHAME! IT BURNS!
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by Marked Hoosier on Jul 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh... Gawd...
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
As an uninformed Patriots fan...
…didn’t Garcon have a couple good games in the playoffs and regular season, but was more regularly known for his stone hands? Didn’t Gonzalez catch 20% more of the passes in his direction in ‘08 than Garcon caught in ’09? Didn’t Garcon get more penalties than all other Colts receivers combined?
Now I’m not saying that Garcon’s terrible (sort of). I just think he’s a mediocre #2, while Gonzalez is an above average #2. Garcon’s better as the “Hey, he’s pretty good and I know he can do well, but I’d rather not rely on him when the game’s on the line” receiver, while Gonzalez is better fit, when healthy, to have the game in the palm of his hands (hah.).
Oh, and that Collie guy is pretty darn good too.
by Richard Hill on Jul 15, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Apparently you're informed.
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by gizzardfanny on Jul 17, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Banned.
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by peytonsthebest on Jul 15, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect explanation.
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In other news...
…it’s logical that Julian Edelman should be the starter over Wes Welker at the start of the season.
Just sayin’.
LOL.
I agree. Welker is now going to ride the bench for the rest of the season!
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by peytonsthebest on Jul 15, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFL!
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: New episodes of Psych finally start this week! Do you watch Psych? You should.
I dont know why... other than you being a Pats fan and editor & all....
I really kinda like you…..
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