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Fan fallout after Reggie Wayne kind of, sort of said he is going to skip Colts Training Camp

Many thanks to teej813 for posting the video from WISH-TV in Indianapolis that shows reporter Ashely Adamson asking Colts receiver Reggie Wayne some pretty direction questions about his status with the Colts. Reggie answered these questions in an evasive, cocky manner. For those of you who don't have the stomach to watch it, here are the words:

Ashley Adamson: Are we going to see you in Anderson in two weeks for training camp?

Reggie Wayne: Hey, I guess it's like LeBron James, like "The Decision." I guess you gotta see. [Laughs]

Yep, that's right Reggie. Compare your current contract negotiations to the sleazy, deceitful antics of LeBron James. That's gonna go over reeeeeeeaaaaaaaal well with Midwestern fans.

More words after the jump.

Star-divide

Ashley Adamson: So, are you going to have an hour [TV] special?

Reggie Wayne: One hour special coming up: "Decision, Part Two."

Ashley Adamson: So, is that a 'yes' or is that a 'no'?

Reggie Wayne: We have to see. We're just going to take it day-by-day. I would love to see Anderson. I've never been there. And, when that day comes, we'll see what's up.

Speaking of day-by-day, its worth noting that Reggie Wayne will most certainly be fined each and every day his butt is not in Anderson. I also wouldn't be all that upset if, while he is holding out, that Jim Caldwell make good on some of this "open competition" nonsense and actually have Anthony Gonzalez compete for Reggie Wayne's starting job.

Look, the bottom line is Reggie is not getting a new deal. It just isn't happening. He's living in a fantasy land if he thinks it's even a remote possibility. If he holds out from any portion of camp, this is just Reggie being spiteful. He's already pocketed a ton of guaranteed bonus money from his 2006 contract, not to mention all the game checks. Reggie is due $5.47 million in 2010 and $5.95 million in 2011. Yes, such a "terrible" contract, indeed.

The Colts are absolutely loaded at wide receiver in 2010, and Reggie has zero leverage. He will either show up for the work he is contractually obligated to do, or he won't. If he doesn't, let someone else work for his job. Seems fair, right? I mean, if Reggie wants his job, he should man-up and show up for it.

Again, as always, I bring this back to Peyton because he typically shows us what real leadership and real commitment are. Like Reggie, Peyton wants a new deal. Unlike Reggie, Peyton attended OTAs, did tons of work at  mini-camp, and will like be in Anderson early before the start of training camp.

Holding out from camp creates a needless and unnecessary distraction for a team trying to get back to a Super Bowl. Oh, just FYI: One of the reasons the Colts lost that Super Bowl was Reggie Wayne running a crappy route in the fourth quarter that resulted in this:

Side note: Of course, I know there are likely Player's Union-related reasons why Reggie is acting this way. It's likely a front, but it's still a dumb way of going about business. We all know that Reggie will indeed be there for training camp. If he isn't, Reggie will paint himself as a selfish prick who puts himself ahead of the team.

That sh*t don't fly in Indiana. He can take that crap to South Beach if he wants.

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Reggie and LeBron...

…did both come up pathetically small in the very most important games of their seasons, so I suppose they have THAT in common ;) Seriously, how cluelessly arrogant and entitiled does Reggie come across here?!

One of the reasons I’ve been proud to support the Colts for so many years is that they tend to attract or mold relatively humble, appreciative players with a genuine love for the game and some much-needed perspective. I’m starting to think Reggie no longer falls into this category.

As I mentioned in another thread, I do think he’ll grace the team with his presence in Anderson, if only because it’s in his OWN best interest to do so. But to what extent will his attitude affect his preparation and performance???

by racf617 on Jul 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Trade him

I say get rid of him now while you can get something for him. He’s going to keep up with this attitude, and drama is not something we need while chasing a Super Bowl. We are deep at the WR position. Not saying that any of the rest of the WRs are as good, but I think we’d be ok with Manning throwing to Gonzo, Garcon, Collie, and Clark. Trade him now, get a good player or a good draft pick. Hell, TO is still a free agent, right? ;-)

by IsThisNameTaken on Jul 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate that I agree with you..

I love Reggie. He’s my gave receiver the colts have ever had. But he really is being a total diva. I’m assuming you were joking about the TO thing, but the way Reggie is acting we might as well have TO…

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by etid5353 on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry, "fave" not "gave"

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by etid5353 on Jul 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reggie needs no sympathy

Reggie needs no sympathy. Somebody in the other thread posted this is the only way he will have leverage for the work put in the last two years. The example of the work he put in the last two years was the botched route in the superbowl for which peyton is getting slammed by the opposing fans ….Sheesh thanks Reggie and now you will help yourself to a much bigger sum of money.

I have zilch, nada sympathy for Reggie. If somebody needs the money it is the hardworking fans who shell out a lot of money to watch these guys. I am tired of the capitalistic excuses saying " he worked hard for it so give him the money now " . I am in no way discounting his performance in the regular season but when you cannot come through it is time to come through….sorry case over.

Reggie needs to get his behind back to work period.

by Horseshoe_Tsunami on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree with your views nearly 100%

but i don’t believe the other viewpoint is “capitalistic”. In fact, capitalism probably will have him traded in a heartbeat at this time……

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you could read the rest of his comments

He had more to say

“I want to be there on time but we’re just going to do our part and let them do all the negotiations,” the Colts’ four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver said before the Amp Harris & Reggie Wayne “Saving Our Youth” Celebrity Basketball Game. “We done talked a little bit but it’s just talk. That was it.”

That doesn’t mean he won’t play this season — even if he doesn’t get a new contract.

“I play football. That’s what I do,” he said. “I love the game. It goes deeper than contract talks; I like doing this. I ain’t getting any younger and football is my passion.”

So are splashy entrances.

In 2006, Wayne reported to training camp wearing former Colts teammate Edgerrin James’ Arizona Cardinals jersey. In 2007, he wore military camouflage and last year he showed up in a dump truck, hardhat on his head, lunchbox in hand and announced the Colts were “under construction for the Super Bowl.”

“I’ve always got something planned,” Wayne said. “Hopefully everything falls into place and I end up at Anderson on time.”

Oh yeah, he’s a real bad guy.

Get a grip people.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

He shouldn't even be asking for another contract..

He still has two years left on this one, doesn’t he? I cannot stand it when any athlete asks for more money before their current contract is up.

P.S. I’d feel the same way if it was Manning asking for more. No one should get a new contract until their current contract is up. If the team feels like a player deserves it and they offer it, so be it. But to ask for it and then threaten to hold out, I have non respect for that.

by IsThisNameTaken on Jul 18, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand..

When fans are totally ignorant of the way sports works as a business.

Why can’t you stand it when athletes ask for more money? On what basis? Do you hate it when teams tell players to take less money or get cut? Is it just players who can’t try and renegotiate.

Why should the team hold all the power?

That’s an irrational position.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand

People who bash others for “an irrational position,” and then offer up an even more irrational position as an alternative.

There is nothing wrong with fans being upset at Reggie Wayne potentially skipping training camp. Fans, in general, don’t really care if Reggie does or doesn’t get a new deal. What we care about is Reggie showing up and doing the work he is obligated to do. That’s not irrational. It’s a reasonable expectation for a guy getting paif $6 million dollars this year to play a game for a living.

Making excuses for a guy who could miss camp because of a contract he most certainly is not going to get? Yep, that’s real rational, DZ.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is irrational about this opinion?
Why can’t you stand it when athletes ask for more money? On what basis? Do you hate it when teams tell players to take less money or get cut? Is it just players who can’t try and renegotiate.

Why should the team hold all the power?

I’m not making any excuses for Wayne. There is nothing wrong with his behavior in the context of NFL contract negotiations. People who say there is clearly lack understanding of normal contract disputes in an NFL context.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

People understand contract disputes, DZ

They understand them well. That doesn’t mean Reggie’s behavior is acceptable, and that is the spine of the argument against what he is doing. Thanks for posting.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think each position

is equally rational

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 18, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine, then explain to me...

how is it rational to specifically hate players asking to renegotiate contracts in a system where owners also have that right?

Perhaps I don’t understand, I’m willing to admit.

I don’t see why people are ok with teams cutting players, but not ok players asking for more money.

Again, I have no problem with people saying Reggie doesn’t deserve a new deal. Saying that players shouldn’t have the right to ever do it…that makes no sense.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

This is getting off topic, and what frustrates me about this kind of talk is that people are forgetting the obvious. No one is necessary bashing Reggie for wanting more money. Does he deserve it? Probably not, but he can, by all means, ask for it.

However, if Reggie is told “no,” and then responds for missing mandatory events he is obligated to attend, THAT is where people have the problem. This annoyance is doubled when he see Peyton Manning in pretty close to the same situation (wants a new contract), but he is indeed showing up for work anyway.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is necessary bashing Reggie for wanting more money.

Yes, they are. That’s what I called irrational.

He still has two years left on this one, doesn’t he? I cannot stand it when any athlete asks for more money before their current contract is up.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No they aren't

I don’t see anyone here bashing Reggie for wanting money. I don’t think IsThisNameTaken really cares if Reggie asks for more money. I think he or she cares when Reggie makes it public and then misses time because he is asking for more money.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I quoted what the commenter said.

The commenter specifically bashed Wayne, and any player, who asked for more money before the end of the contract.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how I read it too.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking at it objectively

(emphasis mine)

I cannot stand it when any athlete asks for more money before their current contract is up

This implies that the writer is upset that Reggie is not waiting to ask for more. Agreed that the writer may be ok with Reggie wanting more money, but that he wants him to be quiet or wait until the contract is up.

DZ is just pointing out that it’s not fair that a contract can be dishonored by one side and not the other.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 18, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

more correctly

DZ is pointing out that the writer’s comment doesn’t acknowledge the fact that a contract can be dishonored at any time by one side (owners/managers) and not by the other (players)

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's knock off the friggin symatic arguments

Reggie Wayne knew full and well his 2006 contract was not guaranteed. No NFL contract is guaranteed, which was why Reggie took a significant amount of bonus money upfront with his $39 million dollar deal in 2006. Owners are not “dishonoring” contracts when they cut players. They retain the right to do that according to the rules agreed upon by the players and the owners.

Nothing wrong with readers being upset with Reggie taking his issue public. Nothing wrong with people expressing anger over his non-answer to holding out of camp. Nothing wrong with people expecting millionaires to honor their obligations.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

^^This^^ I agreeeeeee

does it officially make an a BBS minion now?? hahaaa

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Just makes you a person with an opinion, like everyone else.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you!!

:)

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

“Let’s knock off the friggin symatic arguments.”

First, I’m not sure what symatic means. Can’t even tell what word you were trying to spell. Also, I don’t think this is the kind of message that you want to send to commenters. It makes it sound like you’re not welcoming commenters who agree with Reggie or understand his desire for a new contract.

I’m not sure if this is the message you’re trying to send, but that’s how I read it.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I'm assuming...

…that he/she meant “semantic.” But, either way, this internal sniping has me reaching for my asprin bottle and thinking I need to find some other on-line Colts community!

by racf617 on Jul 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now are the times of our discontent.

When the Sparkle Kitties, Flaming Thumbtacks, and other assorted moronic trolls come back for the regular season, a house united will laugh as we demolish their supposed “football” teams.

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by Bri Bri on Jul 18, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw c'mon

fun and games. were you here for the wk 16 debacle? I think computers and heads exploded

by naptown_ninja on Jul 18, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is just good clean fun

  … its a debate, and it can get a little heated, but fun as long as everyone stays relatively polit

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

/rimshot

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

REC!

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by Marked Hoosier on Jul 18, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that is supposed to be 'semantics'

as in playing word games and twisting words (some law students out there maybe?)

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually would have guessed sympathetic.

Kind of makes sense in the context.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah well

I teach, and I see my university level students mangle the language even worse (and they some manage this despite having spell check) You get used to trying to interpret.

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

semantic

As in arguing the meaning of words rather than staying on topic.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reggie knew the rules when he got in the game

Every player who signs a contract knows that he could get cut. That’s part of the contract terms. If he’s that worried about it, there are ways to structure contracts with a signing bonus or guaranteed money or whatever.

I get Reggie’s frustration. He’s the #1 receiver but he’s not getting quite the #1 money that Marvin got from his 2004 contract. But by the time his current contract is up, Gonzo and Garçon and Collie will be that much farther along in their development, giving him far less leverage. Slightly different timing and he might have made more money. And if a frog had wings, he’d be my uncle.

Reggie was perfectly happy to sign his contract in 2006 knowing that he might get cut or get hurt or the Colts might draft the second coming of Jerry Rice or who knows what else. He can ask for a new deal, he can even push a little, but if he’s going to pull a full T.O. he’s not going to get a lot of sympathy. Next man up.

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by szquirrel on Jul 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a response on his web site to one of our own regulars

I believe Reggie stated that he was going to ask for fan input on what his schtick should be this year.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 18, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes he said he was and has asked. I think he just hasn't decided.

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by TheAngelsColts on Jul 18, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

In his “journal” he has posed the question as to what his theme should be this year. Having read through some of the emails, I’ve seenhe’s received some ideas he seems to like.

I think he’ll be there. I hope he’ll be there. If he isn’t there, I will have a major problem with him – but not until then.

And, if he doesn’t show – shouldn’t it be Garcon working to take his place? Afterall, he’s the #2 right now and is WAY better than even a healthy Gonzo SARCASM

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by peytonsthebest on Jul 18, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

might not be that far fetched

with the depth of talent at wide receiver right now, holding out and acting like a spoil brat after the heap of guaranteed money you were paid, does put you in danger of some one seeing it as there opportunity and working there ass off to take your place.

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ONLY opportunities for NFL players

involve working their ass off and replacing someone perfectly competent. I don’t think Reggie has to worry about being out-performed by ANY WR on the team. I mean, they are all capable, but none of them could do it BETTER

by naptown_ninja on Jul 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds familiar.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

…aren’t people allowed to legitimately disagree with Reggie’s stance and how he’s choosing to conduct himself without being belittled as “ignorant”, “irrational” and condescendingly ordered to “get a grip”?

“But he really is being a total diva. I’m assuming you were joking about the TO thing, but the way Reggie is acting we might as well have TO…”

Ha! Be careful what you wish for ;)

by racf617 on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

People can disagree...

but they can’t say “I hate it when players ask for more money” without explaining the rational/moral basis for the comment.

You can’t hate players renegotiating AND be ok with owners renegotiating. That is irrational.

If you just hate any renegotiation, then that’s ignorant of the way sports business work.

You can disagree, but you have to have a reasoned, logical position from which to do so. Otherwise it’s just complaining.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Specifically,

It’s one thing to say, “Reggie Wayne doesn’t deserve a new contract”

I 100% agree. He does not.

It’s quite another thing to imply that Wayne is a bad guy, a diva, a malcontent, or not committed to the team because he is engaged in completely legitimate contract negotiation techniques and has done so in a respectful reasonable way.

Just being mad because he wants more money on principle is irrational. Believing that players should play out existing contracts is ignorant because it denies the reality of modern sports contracts and business and gives ownership total power.

I don’t think Reggie should get a new deal. However, he’s not a bad guy just because he asks for one.

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by deshawn zombie on Jul 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deshawn

People have already explained their opinion on this matter. As folks have been so keen to telling me in recent months, you simply dismissing other people’s opinions, insulting them by calling their opinion “ignorant,” and not offering a reasonable counter-argument is an ad hominem attack.

We understand you like Reggie, and you make excuses for his behavior that most others don’t care for. We get it already. We get it.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm?

I thought DZ has made his counter-argument clear throughout this article. It boils down to the fact that NFL teams can cancel contracts at any time and Reggie has basically no leverage with the team, so we shouldn’t bash him for using just about the only negotiating technique he has.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's part of the contract
You can’t hate players renegotiating AND be ok with owners renegotiating. That is irrational.

I said this above but I want to underline it. Every player knows that he can be cut before the end of his contract. Yes, that gives the owners more leverage to renegotiate. Them’s the breaks. But Reggie was happy enough to sign his contract with full understanding of those terms. Why is it a problem now? Because his star is too big for his contract? Not feeling loads of sympathy.

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by szquirrel on Jul 18, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, he signed that contract as the #2 receiver still. That was pre-Marvin’s knee injury when it appeared as if Marvin was going to play at least another 4 years with ease. Had Marvin not been in the picture, Reggie’s deal would have been a lot bigger and slanted more in his favor. Sure he’s making a decent amount of coin right now, but he isn’t getting paid as much as he should have. I don’t see how you or anyone else could disagree with that.

by KingRichard on Jul 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

call me ignorant - i am in terms of these sports contract stuff....

did he also have the option to get his #1 receiver contract elsewhere despite Harrison’s presence?? if he really wanted and deserved it at that time? True, he probably would not have gotten that contract in 2006 due to Harrison but not having Harrison now did not automatically guarantee him a raise…. I guess there are teams who have the highest paid WR not even paid like a #4 WR on the Colts…. (not sure but possible, right) say those teams who don’t have depth at WR at this point like the Bears

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a little more money.

But once his production slips. Cut him. I look at it like GONZO is a younger version of Reggie anyway. I don’t agree how Reggie is trying to get a new contract either. But he has been one of the top receivers in the league for the last 3 years.

by David Porter on Jul 18, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Too much speculation

We will see soon. I would give him an extra 0.5 – 1 million from his 2011 salary and if he only has 80 catches, he can’t pull this drama again.

by Ty46 on Jul 18, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

80 catches is a lot.

100 catches is considered an elite season usually.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

manning spreads it around

With the weapons he has now80 could be pushing it

by naptown_ninja on Jul 18, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

By all means

Please offer comments on Reggie’s behavior. Would you be upset if he held out of camp?

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I watched the video...

It seems to me that he was having a good time as a celebrity basketball tournament and was joking around about the Lebron stuff based upon most likely talking about basketball related issues on a basketball court. He didn’t seem serious about any of the “bad behavior” things that he could do, and continued the “company line” so to speak on his contract issue, “we will have to see what happens, I don’t know if I’ll be there or not, hopefully it will get worked out.”

That sort of stuff is pretty standard. At least that is how it came across to me. The comments look a lot worse if you just read them than if you watch the video. I don’t think anyone would have any problem stomaching the video :)

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by bamock on Jul 18, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean he has no leverage? He’s head and shoulders the best receiver on this team.

by KingRichard on Jul 18, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently my post got deleted

As for leverage, I was talking more of a “players as a whole”. I think of all the pro sports leagues, NFL players have the least leverage and the owners the most power.

by coltus on Jul 18, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So,

his only leverage is the threat of non-performance.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

REC!

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by Marked Hoosier on Jul 18, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I was getting at.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree w/ DZ as well.

I don’t think that he deserves a new contract. He has NO LEVERAGE for a new deal, that being said it is his right to try and get a new one. I disagree w/ his methods and would be disappointed if he missed camp but it’s still his right to hold out if it’s what he believes is the best way to get negotiations started. Plus he’ll still be the No. 1 Receiver come opening day. Our depth at WR is great yet he is by FAR our best wideout and it’s not even close.

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by P0RKINS2 on Jul 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I guess the issue here is not who is right and who is wrong

I guess most of us do think he has the “rights” to ask for more money, that he does NOT deserve a New contract or a raise and he actually really has NO leverage….. i guess the issue here stems from DZ and KingRichard and some of us sympathizing with Wayne and defend his tactics, while others dislike his tactics and make it loud and clear. We are all in agreements here on MOST issues BUT some of us think it is his rights and so that makes the whole thing ok………while some of us, knowing that it is his rights, still don’t like it….

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see both sides

I mean really, I do partially agree that the owners get to end a contract whenever they want, so why can’t a player ask for a new one? Yea I know, he agreed to the deal in the first place, but so did the team. That being said, I don’t think he deserves anymore because he might forget that it helps to have the best quarterback to ever play.

Also, I can understand him not saying on the local news “Yea I’ll be in camp” even if thats how he feels, because then he loses the one threat he has as a player. So even if he does wanna go, and plans on going no matter what, hes not going to tell some local sports reporter that, because then hes got nothing.

by Bippal on Jul 18, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Luck, Reggie

I think you’re already making more than you’re worth. Teams need three or four interchangeable receivers these days. The Saints have four starting WRs under contract for about what the Colts are paying you.

by RobF2010 on Jul 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

really??

that kind of support my conjecture above…. do u have the numbers? that will be great… thanks

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a link

A little searching and I’m finding all sorts of conflicting numbers

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/roster

I was a little outdated but not by much if those figures are accurate. The four starters are Marques Colston, Devery Henderson, Robert Meachem, and Lance Moore. Henderson’s salary is a little skewed because he just resigned last season and that figure includes his signing bonus. His yearly figure is $2.8 million or so. It also looks like Lance Moore signed his tender. He hadn’t the last time I looked and he was at about 400k. I based my statement on this:

Colston 2.2
Henderson 2.8
Meachem 560K
Moore 400K

Total 6.06 Million versus Reggie’s 5.7 million

by RobF2010 on Jul 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is close enough...

really appreciate the work and the research!! :)

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football players have a very short career

A football players career is very short and can end at any time. there is nothing that says he wont get injured and then hes screwed. Teams can cut a player any time because of performance so why cant a player ask for more money because of performance. He is a top 3 WR in the league and he should get paid. And Players do make alot of money but we as fan pay the price to watch these games and buy their jerseys.
I also heard last night on the news that Reggie said eh bleeds blue and white and he wants to retire a colt.
Diva or not I cant blame the guy

by supercolts on Jul 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

yes but that is true of many professional sports

and in sports like golf or tennis, you get hurt or your production drops off you are SOL. Given the guarantees these guys make, it is not nearly as tough as many other professional athletes

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I should have worded my comment a little better.

I don’t have a problem with players trying to get more money. I have a problem with a player who is trying to get more money and skipping mandatory team functions while he is still under contract. He is under contract for two more years and he should be at all team functions. After all, that is what he is getting paid to do. I like Reggie. I like all of my Colts, but I wouldn’t appreciate it if ANY of them did this.

by IsThisNameTaken on Jul 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I got the point of your comment

People sometimes like to pick apart every little word and take things the wrong way. I understood what you want. I don’t think any fan really cares if Reggie wants or doesn’t want more money. I mean, who doesn’t want more cash? But, it’s the tactics that upset most people.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did my comment get deleted?

I agreed with DZ and disagreed with BBS. I did not personally insult any poster here.

We can’t even disagree with BBS on this site anymore?

by coltus on Jul 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

coltus

You can disagree with me all you want. The comment about me providing Florio with material to bash the Colts was the issue.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with DZ.

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by Marked Hoosier on Jul 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Same here.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, Training Camp hurry up and get here.

Context or actual football for the non-debate!

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by Bri Bri on Jul 18, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments

Again, like most “debates,” some comments are deleted because people enjoy taking things off topic and, in general, acting like jerks. I’m in the process of writing up community guidelines for this site which will, hopefully, define that a bit.

One important note: People who have been banned from Stampede Blue typically receive one warning. This warning typically comes from an admin telling them to please stop with the attitude, or stop with the flaming comments, or stop taking topics off their course. If those people ignore the warning, they get banned. Sometimes they get banned permanently. Sometimes we ban them for a week until things cool down. And we never ban people because we disagree with their opinion. We ban them because they simply refuse to heed warnings.

That said, more on Reggie Wayne, please. I have a sneaking suspicion he will indeed be there for camp on day one. However, when someone asks him a direct question and he evades that question, such an event is news and I am going to blog about it.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 18, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

whither jamkel

I missed all the drama between you guys. He usually had good stuff to say. Is he BANNED?

by naptown_ninja on Jul 18, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.......

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by Cassieper on Jul 18, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are issues this team isn't "supposed to have"

But every team has them. We’re accustomed to seamless transfers of leadership, quietly handled negotiations, and the appearnance of honestly humble communtiy-oriented players, coaches, and management. So, it’s news when a little dirty laundry is aired publicly. It’s appears obvious to us that Reggie doesn’t have any leverage. He and his agent must think otherwise. My opinion is that it’s not really news until he actually holds out. And even then it’s not really news until he misses a regular season game.

by naptown_ninja on Jul 18, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Beautifully expressed points

…and I fully admit that, as a longtime Colts fan, I’m a bit spoiled. As unrealistic as I know this is, I’ve grown to somehow expect our team to somehow be immune from the discontent, drama and tension that inevitably plagues every organization, (football organization or otherwise!) It’s as unrealistic as…well, as expecting to win 12 games every single season in this parity-driven league ;)

I’ve invested so much time and emotional energy into this team that it’s important for me to think it’s comprised of the humble, genuinely appreciative and “rah rah, we live for the community and football!” players you described above. Rationally, though, I do know these issues will arise. I just hope Reggie, upon realizing he’s not going to get the raise to which he feels so entitled, reports to camp…as he’s required and is paid quite nicely to do.

by racf617 on Jul 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bigger issue

 To everyone out there (players, coaches, line cooks, IT nerds, cops, journalists, bus drivers etc.) who is unlucky enough not to sign his own paycheck: ask for a fucking raise – you deserve it.

by naptown_ninja on Jul 18, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

anyone can ask

  … but in the real world you have two choices if they say no.. Look for another job, or suck it up and live with it. And in the real world, yes in some situations and employer will get rid of you as people not getting a raise they figure will develop a bad attitude.

Look, a lot of us can’t do what Reggie is threatening. If we are under contract, and we don’t show up for mandatory duties, we get fired or fined. And likely our colleagues get mad at us as they’ll have to take up the slack.

Yes, a player can get cut, but these are the rules their union has agreed to operate under. If they don’t like that, then they need to renegotiate it in the collective agreement. If anything NFL players have in better than many sports like golf or tennis, where you earn only by winning.

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Reg isn't missing games

he hasn’t even missed camp yet. He is simply in a contract negotiation, and in a negotiation you don’t VOLUNTARILY give away your leverage just because it’ll make hair-trigger fans decide you’re a “drama queen”. This is the NFL, this is life and death stuff. Honestly I don’t think Reggie gives a rats ass about how fans feel about him in the offseason: as long as he’s still hauling in gamewinners against the Pats, the fans will line up behind him. Frankly if you cared about the players as people you’d be behind THEM instead of the ownership that’s looking to take your money above all else. The players are the ones putting their bodies on the line; as fellow workers and humans we need to understand that their labor disputes are our labor disputes and not side with the billionaire owners out of simplistic reactionism.

by slash196 on Jul 18, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily support either sides in these negetiotiations

   That was more a comparison to other situations, and why feeling sorry for Reggie seems a little silly when he isn’t in any worse a situation than anyone else.

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by bluegirl on Jul 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you consider...

That he has only around 15 years to make the most money he can in his chosen profession, which is drastically less than most careers.

Thus, there are a limited amount of opportunities to seek the actual value of your worth to the company you are working for.

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by Bri Bri on Jul 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, BlueGirl

Frankly, I find it every bit as “simplistic and reactionary” to side automatically with the players, who can occasionally—-and I’m not applying this description to Reggie—-be so grossly entitled and selfish that their demands border on mild extortion. I’m actually on players’ sides more often than owners’…but let’s not compaare these guys to poor, downtrodden coal miners striving for a measure of fairness and decency. As with nearly every incendiary issue, this is neither black nor white…(it’s green, ha ha)…and needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Personally, my evaluation of this particular ‘case’ will depend largely on whether Reggie shows up to camp, and does so with the work ethic and professionalism fans have a right to expect.

by racf617 on Jul 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there is an open competition

Reggie Wayne would not lose his starting job even if he shows for just one day. Why start an inferior player because of some stupid grudge against him? It would be like if the 49ers benched Michael Crabtree last year, their best wide receiver, because of his holdout.

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by Colts Homer on Jul 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I completely understand that reggie has every right to hold out.. I’m still upset with him if he decides to hold out. The colts are an elite organization trying to win a SB. they’ve consistantly paid their players well. The fans nore the organization deserves this.

by ColtfaninPitts on Jul 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

this summarize my sentiments....

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

*summarize-s*

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by Manning4ever on Jul 18, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thread locked

We’ve gotten off topic and we’re, once again, arguing about stupid stuff that has nothing to do with the topic of the article.

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