Consensus forming that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady will hold out of training camp because of contract
PFT does what PFT does: Look for crap, throw it against a wall, and see if it sticks. In the case of Tom Brady and his general unhappiness with the Patriots over his contract situation, they may have found something that stinks.
This morning, PFT commented on the media "knife fight" between ESPN's John Clayton and Comcast Network's Tom Curran, formerly of the Providence Journal. Curran is someone we've often locked horns with here at Stampede Blue. He's a nice guy in person, but he has a tendency to sometimes carry water for the New England Patriots. Hence my title of Tom as "unofficial" Patriots waterboy. I've met Tom in person and told him of my occasional annoyance with his bias towards the Patriots. He smiled, nodded, and said that was fair.
Anyway, so Curran v. Clayton. The throw down! The cause for their knife fight is none other than Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. Clayton is reporting that Tom Brady may hold out of part of Patriots training camp. The reason is his contract.
Like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady is a free agent in 2011. Like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady wants to be paid the biggest contract in NFL history. Unlike Peyton Manning, Tom Brady is not going to get that kind of contract. In fact, in Brady's case, the Patriots seem perfectly willing to let 2010 roll right along without offering Tom Brady a new deal. They also seem willing to let a potential labor lockout happen in 2011 prior to offering Brady his new deal.
Apparently, Tommy Terrific (the man most zombie Pats fans* say would play for free if he could because he wants to win THAT BADLY) isn't down with what owner Bob Kraft and team overlord Bill Belichick are feeding him. Again, this is what Clayton is essentially telling us.
Curran, however, thinks Clayton is full of it.
In general, I trust John Clayton's reporting much more than I trust Tom Curran's, especially when it comes to the Patriots. Curran has tremendous access to the Pats, but that just means he is more likely to peddle their BS in order to retain that access. Clayton, meanwhile, works from his homebase in Seattle. He has no loyalty to the Pats, and if they don't like him or don't give him access, he could care less. Clayton's status is such that he can go directly to players and agents, which is probably where he is getting his info. Just to be clear, that's me speculating.
PFT's Mike Florio adds a little more gasoline to the fire:
There is a collective thought around the Patriots that Tom Brady is a different guy than he was a few year ago.
If I could add my two cents into this: I agree Brady is likely a different person than he was in, say, 2003. He is no longer the caretaker of a "play-it-safe" offense whose main goal was to not turn the football over. From 2001-2004, the Patriots won three Super Bowls because of their defense and the clutch-kicking of Adam Vinatieri. After 2004, their defense started getting old and it started... well, sucking. Today, gone are players like Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinest, and Ty Law. All of these guys were cornerstones of a dominant Patriots defense and none of them were drafted by Bill Belichick. Each of them pre-date Belichick's arrival in New England back in 2000.
Since these players have departed for greener pastures, the Patriots defense has been unable to replace them. Their pass rush has been inconsistent to non-existent since McGinest left. Players like Leigh Bodden are nothing compared to Ty Law in his prime. And as talented as Jerod Mayo is, he's come up small in big games the last two years (see Baltimore Ravens playoff game as an example). Bruschi and Vrabel came alive in big games, and neither had the talent Mayo brings to the table.
With the defense faltering, Tom Brady has had to take on more of the load in order for the team to have a chance to win. Instead of stopping the opponent, the Patriots now have to outscore the opponent. Yes, there is a difference.
Essentially, Brady is working with a team make-up today that Peyton Manning worked with for the first six or seven years of his career. Brady has an offense that can score points, but struggles when it needs to gain tough yards in critical situations. His defense is prone to the big play, and has trouble stopping the run.
Again, sound familiar Colts fans?
Also, factor in that Brady is just two years removed from a potentially career-ending knee injury. If he suffers another injury like the one he sustained in Week One of 2008, he's done as a football player. Brady knows this. He also knows that if he sustains an injury of similar severity in 2010, the Patriots are perfectly willing to jettison him and move on with another player. Look at Richard Seymour as a clear example of the team's "loyalty" to players that have helped them win in the past.
From my vantage point, I absolutely think Tom Brady has every right to demand the Patriots sign him. Should he hold out from camp? No, because that hurts the team. The bottom line is winning, and Tom Brady is already a multi-gazillionaire who is married to the richest supermodel in the world. Again, if you want to see how to handle these kinds of things, look no further than Peyton Manning. He is in the exact same boat as Brady, and we aren't hearing stories about how he may hold out from camp because of us contract.
The other angle to this story sort of paints Brady favorably. He is not working within the same organization Manning is. The Patriots have a terrible track record for taking care of players. The general thought in New England is players are expendable, and that as long as Bill Belichick is there the team has a chance to win championships. He can turn scrubs into champions, bums into Pro Bowlers, water into wine. This mindset is, of course, over-simplistic and downright moronic. Bill Belichick was a walking joke when he took over the Patriots job in 2000. The dumpster fire that was he tenure with the Browns was still fresh in everyone's mind. His record with the Pats was 5-13 before he inserted a second-year QB from Michigan named Brady into the starting line-up after then-starting QB Drew Bredsoe nearly had his chest collapsed by Jets linebacker Mo Lewis in Week Two of the 2001 season.
Since that switch, which was done solely because of the injury to Bledsoe, the Patriots have won the AFC East seven times, been victorious in 14 of 18 playoff games, and played in four Super Bowls.
So, you tell me who is more important to the Patriots, Belichick or Brady? Between the two of them, who has gotten the long term deal and who hasn't? After you've answered that question, do you kind of see why Brady might be a "different guy than he was a few year ago?" Maybe ole Tommy has finally woken up and realized he's a bit more important to the success of the franchise than his supposedly "genius" coach is. Maybe Tommy is starting to flex his muscles a bit, reminding owner Bob Kraft that it was not Tom Brady who cheated and disgraced the franchise in 2007 with the whole "Spygate" thing. It wasn't Tom Brady who traded away the team's best defensive lineman to the Oakland Raiders prior to the start of the 2009 season only to see the Ravens run for 234 yards and 4 TDs on the Pats in an embarrassing playoff performance in Foxboro that same season.
I'll close this little rant by saying that I have always been a Tom Brady fan. He is the reason the Patriots have been even reasonably competitive since the defense started falling apart after 2005. I also do not think Bill Belichick is a crappy coach who has been made to look good because of Tom Brady. I just personally think Belichick is over-rated, and is an inferior coach to someone like Tony Dungy; a coach who won with two different franchises using two different methods. Belichick won a lot of games (and Super Bowls) with players he did not bring into the franchise. Since those players have moved on, the team has struggled. Belichick is indeed a very good coach, but this coach of the decade crap is simply not accurate. Let me see what Belichick's record is without Tom Brady. Oh wait, I already know.
It's 41-57 with a 1-1 record in the post-season.
I also think that Brady might just be using his current contract situation in order to progress the NFL Player's Union's agenda. As PFT suggests, Brady has taken on more of a leadership role with the Union, and perhaps he is using his situation as a way to fight the collusion tactics the Union has levied against the owners.
Whatever the reason, if Clayton's report is accurate and Brady does indeed either threaten to or actually does hold out from part of or all of training camp, it will finally put an end to this silly notion that Brady plays the game for less money just to help the team win. The reality is Tommy Terrific wants to get paid just like everyone else, and there's nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with holding out from camp, but that is between the Patriots and Brady.
The real story here is we are, for the first time, starting to see some cracks in the facade in New England. These cracks were likely always there. Today, they are just a bit more visible.
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* Most Patriots fans aren't "zombies," just the Tawmy from Quinzee-types. You know who they are. Most of them look like this guy.
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Oh damn
I hope he doesn;t hold out
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
Couldn't agree more with what you said, although I probably have a little higher opinion of Belichick than you
I actually feel bad for Brady in a way.
He did take less money in his last contract negotiation with the thought that it will help the Pats probably keep other players. This was done, I believe, after 2004, and since then the Pats have let almost anyone not named Brady, Koppen, Light, Wilfork, Mankins and Warren to walk on. Of course, the truth was that the Pats probably thought Brady wasn’t worth that giant contract.
Brady is probably not worth as much as Manning, but him not getting a deal is stupid on the Pats part. I hope he goes home to SF or something next year, and leaves the Pats so we can finally answer once and for all “Who is more important, Belichick or Brady?” Although Bill was bad with Cleveland, he did go 11-5 in 2008 without Tom, and it is obviously not because Cassel is that good of a player (witness: KC, 2009). Unless Brian Hoyer is the next Steve Young to Brady’s Montana, I’m guessing that Belichick will have a hard time winning without Brady.
I’m still pretty sure that Brady will stay, because that will be one of the more historic cuts or trades in NFL history (given that Brady will only be 34 next year). However, knowing the level of dissent is there is good as a Pats Hater and COlts fan.
Finally, there is no way he is anything like the old Brady. Reports have come all offseason long that he no longer spends that much time in Boston, let alone the practice facility, and is not the hardest working guy anymore. Whatever it may be, knowing that the Pats are having problems here, adn SD still hasn’t resolved the Jackson/McNeill stuff, has me feeling mighty good.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Eh....
As I recall….the AFC East has been a doormat comparable to the AFC West for much of the last decade….. to put it bluntly…..the entire division outside of the Patriots has managed to make it to like 5 playoff games….and the Bills haven’t even played in one since 1998..
I mean, in that time…..only 2 other teams in the AFC have failed to make the playoffs… (Browns, Texans)
On top of that, the 2008 team pretty much returned everybody from the 18-1 team….which allowed Cassell to play quite well….
Btw, knocking Cassell for being in KC is like clowning Randy Moss in Oakland……some teams are just not going to win….no matter who is on the team….
by DevilsReject on Jul 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The weird thing is Scott Pioli is the GM that signed him.
Wouldn’t he know Cassel’s limitations?
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
That's just it...
I happen to think Cassel is a quality QB. He’s certainly shown it in the few chances he’s had to star…. I mean this is a guy who’s been on the bench his whole career since HS….and came in and lit it up in year 1….
Imagine if he had been able to stay with a quality team instead of a rebuilding team….even a team like the Dolphins…or the Falcons/Jets/Ravens…he could have been a yearly contender…
Cassel has the goods….and with the downslide of the Chargers…..don’t overlook the Chiefs….a few more pieces and they are in business.
by DevilsReject on Jul 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, Brady's situation is very, very different from Manning's
Like Reggie Wayne or Mathis, Brady has not received the sort of guarantees that Manning has. Polian has already said that he intends to sign Manning to the biggest contract in NFL history. Manning’s situation is unprecedented and shouldn’t be compared to anyone else’s.
Brady suffered a fluke injury once in his career and lost an entire season. What if that happens again going into negotiations? Like Wayne or Mathis, Brady has a very narrow opportunity to voice his dissent and try to force negotiations. Players aren’t given much in the way of complaining outside of free agency.
I don’t blame players that hold out, and I don’t blame Brady for doing so either. Being one of the richer NFL players, or being married to a rich model doesn’t change the fact that he’s putting his body on the line and the injuries he sustains on the field are going to cost him years off of his life. The NFL is wildly popular and profitable and players like Brady deserve to get paid.
I understand the Patriots’ stance as well, he had a really good year given the situation in New England and the injury he was coming back from but its understandable to be a bit concerned. I think that he has shown that he will come back strong, accurate, and whatever else but I understand that others may be a bit more hesitant with such a severe injury.
Belichick and Kraft's method of running a franchise
“Oohhh, Master is tricksy,” or should we way, Kraftsy.
"I've always been a Tom Brady fan"
Really BBS? Would you have said that in 2003? Would you have said that in 2004?
Personally, I’ve been a Tom Brady fan since he choked away the Super Bowl and I realized I would never have to hate him again because he had been humiliated on the world’s biggest stage.
by slash196 on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So were the Colts in this past Super Bowl. In fact, more people watched Peyton Manning throw an interception to ice the game for the Saints than any other broadcast in television history.
I loathe the Patriots and Tom Brady, but how about a little humility eh?
by KingRichard on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was gonna say something but u took care of that
brady in that sb threw for 240 yards w. 1 td and 0 ints…he drove down the field to make it 14-10 before ashante samuel decided to screw the patriots..not once but twice.
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I knew that was coming
Did Peyton spend the season beating up on overmatched teams? Did Peyton guarantee that the Colts would score more than 17 points? Was Peyton sacked six times?
Peyton lost a close, tough game. There’s no shame in that. Being the peak of hubris and being brought low by the opponent you dismissed as unworthy…now THAT’S what I mean by “humiliated”.
And you’re bad colts fan for even mentioning the super bowl. Turn in your blue and white.
dude..that 17 pts comment was made in week 16 match up between the giants n pats
and he was responding to a reporter’s question about Plaxico guaranteeing that the pats would only score 17pts…Brady said " we’re only going to score 17 pts…ok"…thats is. that isn’t hubris…thats a player responding to another player’s comment.
If (lets say Reggie Bush ) a Saints player said that the colts were only going to score 17 pts against the Saints defense, and PM said “we’re only going to score 17 pts…ok” I wouldn’t consider Manning’s comment as hubris.
and he was sacked 5 times….get your facts straight
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No it was during media week during the Superbowl
I remember it vividly
haha
I thought you were talking to me when you said BBS…. I gotta get used to that!
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You should probably carry a crock of beans around with you from this point forward.
Y’know, just to avoid confusion.
(That’s some good turn-of-the-century smack talk, by the way: “I’ll crock your beans!”)
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Ummm... Brady 'choked away' the Super Bowl?
He threw a touchdown pass to put them ahead with 2 min. left. The Giants D-line was better than the Pats O-line, and the Pats D couldn’t stop the Giants when it counted.
Keep the faith!
Maybe Brady could get traded to Oakland too
Then the Jets could become our biggest rivalry.
So, the Chargers are missing their best WR and LT, the Pats are having problems with Brady, Rex Ryan can’t beat the Colts, the rest of the division is very meh.
I hate to say it, but the Colts are well positioned to make another Super Bowl run, barring major injury.
We rise. They fall.
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MB, don't forget Ben Ro missing 4-6 games with the Steelers, and Chargers lost their very good NT as well
But really, Sanchez is likely to show the same improvement in year 2 than he did at the end of Year 1, which makes the Jets more formidable. (Like Cassell in 2008 and Peyton in 1998, the first and second halves of their seasons were quite different in terms of TDs and TOs and probably sacks taken as well.)
And Baltimore is surprisingly solid on D after all these years while Flacco and Rice, with another year of seasoning (mmmm, delicious) should also be better. Does Boldin have what it takes to make their O fire on all cylinders?
I REALLY try to take off my homer-colored glasses, and each year I have to work hard to find 3-4 games that we’re likely to lose (other than giveaways). After we beat Houston twice in the reg season in 2010 and once in the playoffs (maybe the AFCCG), yeah, another SB shot is well within reach if we stay healthier than average. (which we haven’t been the past few years)
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Krafty b'sterd!
I wouldn’t be surprised of Thomas of the Clan Brady is peeved because his owner hasn’t come out and stated that he wants to make their [franchise] player the highest paid in the league. Irsya and Pollian are peerless when it comes to people management skills, especially those they want to keep.
That said, I’d still back Brady and the Patriots to win their division. All the hype around the Jets and to a lesser extent the Dolphins is over stated. Brady is still the best QB in that division (except when Trent Edwards is healthy).
True about Brady, but Manning was the best QB in our division since 1999
And there were three years in there when we didn’t win it. It does take a whole team (or at least more than just a QB), and some luck. Sanchez moved up the learning curve pretty well last year and with a full offseason to practice throwing balls that Braylon Edwards can drop, he’ll be more dangerous.
I have no idea why the Dolphins are pretty good, but they seem to be. Henne started to look decent. Plus they are historical poison for the Pats. Again, not something I understand, but just facing them makes Pats do stupid things like the time Brady tried to avoid a sack by throwing a pass from his rear end…. a pass caught by a DL. Hello? Sitting up you are three feet tall, you are surrounded by men over six feet tall, bearing down on you hard. You have no footing or leverage and the worst case scanerio is one “taps” you for a sack and an 8 yard loss while you are sitting down, so you decide to throw it to one of them? That just changed the worst case scenario from a sack to a pick-six (I don’t recall if it was returned).
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Could you describe that play one more time?
I want to close my eyes and re-live it, please. :D
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Just one play
You don’t win three rings if you make that kind of mistake regularly although I agree a winning team is more than just a great QB – which is why my blood boils when the media writes off the Colts if Peyton wasn’t around. Try telling Freeney, Clark, Sanders, Mathis, Addai, Saturday, Wayne, Brackett, Bethea etc, etc that they would have a losing record even if they had an average QB.
Still, Brady’s the second best QB in the league (yes, ahead of Brees) and he’ll be a stud for the Patsies again next year – I think they could be the biggest threat to Indy’s reappearance in the SB – Chargers, Ravens, Jets etc are over rated in my opinion (but they will be dangerous)
Floyed Reese.
Floyd Reese? Is that his name? The former Titans GM that is now the Patriots GM?
The same guy that drafted pacman jones? Drafted Vince Young?
Yowza, the Colts, Jets, and rest of the AFC should be so gracious that this man took over the Pats.
This moron got rid of Vrable and Seymour before last season. Signs ridiculous veterans like Joey Galloway and Tory Holt. And now he can’t work out a deal with Brady? Blahaha. The Pats demise is a strong case of Karma. I don’t see them winning the division next year and probably won’t make the playoffs. The Jets and Dolphins will pound them. Signing Brady early is their only hope of going 10-6.
as much as it hurts for me to say this (bc Vrabel is my man crush-bc he went to the same school as i did and i caddied for him in dublin,ohio in 2006)
Vrabel lost his touch and that was evident in the 2008 season. Seymour hasn’t lost his touch but his contract was going to be up in 2010. And you know Seymour would have been demanding big $ in 2010 after he held out of TC in 2006. Oakland was stupid enough to offer the Pats a 1st rd pick (1-15 pick). Most Pats fans are fine w. the trade.
oh btw. BB has more power when it comes to draft than Reese. Fact is 12 of the picks + 1UFA they signed in 2009 are still w. the Pats and none of them are expected to be cut this yr.. And i expect 11 out of the 12 picks of this yr to be in the 53 man roster.
And nxt year they have 2 first round picks and 2 second rd picks. Signing Brady now would only give him a 30 percent raise (thanks to the 30 % rule). Signing Brady in 2011 after the CBA has been finalized would give him a lot more money and would make sense to him and to the club. ( Pats are ranked no 5 as the richest club in world.)
the jets….lol…they are just a 1 yr wonder.
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Good stuff, BBS
I agree. The similarities between the Now-patriots and the Then-colts are enlightening. Brady is great. The patriots will screw him in the end, though… not before he has another good season.
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Looks like Brady may not be the only hold out..
I’ve read in a couple of places that Peyton may hold out too.
no he wont.....
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by Manning4ever on Jul 25, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure you can link to these places where you "read" it
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
-Peyton Manning
Not a fair characterization of Belichick
Belichick won a lot of games (and Super Bowls) with players he did not bring into the franchise. Since those players have moved on, the team has struggled.
Belichick indeed won a lot of games with players he DID bring into the franchise. Belichick inherited a team that had a serious cap situation and locker room issues, overpaid and entitled veterans who thought they had jobs for life, and underperforming rookies that would never live up to their contracts.
One of the first moves he made was to fire longtime personnel guy Bobby Grier and bring in Scott Pioli.
The team couldn’t afford any big name free-agents and mid-range free agents wouldn’t even visit Foxboro because their agents knew the Patriots didn’t have any money and it wouldn’t be worth the trip. They were forced to look for guys that couldn’t hook on with other teams. Some of the successes were: Otis Smith, Bobby Hamilton, Jermaine Wiggens, Bryan Cox, Roman Phifer, Anthony Pleasant, Joe Andruzzi, David Patten, Mike Vrabel (yes, the Steelers considered him a JAG) and Antowain Smith.
There were some great players on the team already, Drew Bledsoe, Kevin Faulk, Adam Vinatieri, Terry Glenn, Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, and Ted Johnson. Tedy Bruschi and Troy Brown were still unsigned, with Belichick left having to let other veterans go before they had the money to sign them to contracts.
It’s a gross mis-characterization to paint Belichick as walking onto a Super Bowl Dynasty ready team.
Keep the faith!
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