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Patriots and Tom Brady "within reach" of new contract; what does it mean for Peyton Manning?

OK, so put to bed any further suggestions or rumors that Tom Brady was going to hold out of Patriots training camp because the dude showed up on-time today along with the team's rookies. We also have word from Adam Shefter that the Pats and Brady are "within reach" of a long-term contract extension. Shefter then kind of backs off the "within reach" statement by saying:

If a deal cannot be struck, it will be primarily because of how complex the contract is and how difficult it is to complete it without knowing the specifics of the NFL's next collective bargaining agreement.

But one person familiar with the talks said there is ongoing dialogue that he described as positive and, while no deal is imminent, one now is within reach.

If a deal is "within reach," that kind of suggests we should expect a signing any day now. If there is no signing, then that suggests the "within reach" comments were somewhat exaggerated. Also, the BS about not knowing the complexities of the collective bargaining agreement is exactly the kind of collusion-style tactics the players union has accused the owners of engaging in all off-season.

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The reason the excuse doesn't hold up is this is Tom Brady we're talking about! Who gives a crap what the salary cap will be in the future? Cap or no cap, the Patriots are going to sign him to whatever he wants! The whole friggin team is built around his talents, and his asking price is well within reason. I mean, if the friggin Green Bay Packers are making a yearly $9.8 million profit, the larger market Patriots are likely making triple that. So, please, the owners (Jim Irsay included) need to stop parroting this "we need to know how the collective bargaining agreement shakes out" crap. Agreement or no agreement, people like Tom Brady should be signed to extensions.

Brady signing now would be big because it likely would lead to the Colts signing Peyton Manning to a bigger extension. Once those two extensions are in place, players like Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, and Ryan McNeil have a baseline ceiling for which to request reasonable extensions of their own. "Gee, Peyton makes $20 mil a year now. I should be making $10 mill."

Of course, the owners do not want this to happen right now, and thus the accusations of "collusion" by the players.

All signs point to 2011 being a year where the owners will lock the players out from football without a new collective bargaining agreement. If that happens after they have signed players like Manning, Brady, and others to big extensions, they will be players millions of dollars to players the are preventing from playing football. Of course, regardless of whether there is or isn't football in 2011, the owners will be collecting checks from TV networks.

$4 billion dollars worth.

For us Colts fans, all we want is to get our ace signed until the end of his career. However, when you step back and look at all the stuff happening "in a the shadows," so to speak, signing Manning and Brady to extensions are moves much bigger than two rival teams locking up their franchise players. These moves are part of a much larger labor war. Manning's and Brady's extensions are the "Fort Sumter" moment, the "Lexington and Concord"-style event that will trigger that "war."

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Mine is bigger than yours

It will be interesting if it turns into a “Peyton’s contract has to be bigger than Brady’s” show on the part of Tom Condon (Peyton’s agent). We will find out soon.

If Brady gets a 7 year $110 mil. or something with $50 mil. guaranteed, it will reduce Peyton’s ability to get too much more than that. No matter what, both QBs will be paid handsomely.

by chad72 on Jul 26, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

All this talk of work stoppage

IS A JOKE. Anyone with any real shred of intelligence knows that the NFL cannot afford a strike. It completely hosed both the NHL and MLB, removing baseball as America’s #1 sport…

Hockey has become about as relevant as boxing in the USA, and baseball is a who’s who of juicing or isn’t juicing just about anymore.

Bottom line: this is all about a money grab and who’s going to get what….

As for profits made by the teams, 10 million in profit ain’t exactly something to brag about….the Packers play in one of the oldest stadiums in the NFL…

by DevilsReject on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, call me surprised that the 10 million figure is so low.

They probably have lower expenses than most franchises (apart from salary, obviously).

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by dmstorm22 on Jul 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

This is going to turn into a case similar to MLB, where you will have some teams who make a boat load (Cowboys, Patriots, Steelers, Raiders) versus a bunch of teams that do not (Browns, Packers, Jaguars, Rams, Lions).

Essentially, the teams that succeed and market themselves well (selling naming rights to the stadium, luxury suites, etc) will do very well while teams that are poorly managed and run are struggling to fill seats, sell out stadiums, or even pay for upkeep.

So how do you decide if a few teams are making $100 million in profit versus say…..10 teams making only 20 million in profit…you gonna split that equally? Or are you going to do a percentage? In either event, unless you make it a level field across all 32 teams, it won’t matter…

And the luxury tax system in baseball is horrendous, not because of how it penalizes the big spenders, but because it allows the bottom feeders to pocket money without any real effort to get better on their parts…

by DevilsReject on Jul 26, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t go that far. The owners can afford the strike. The players can’t. Most of those guys live paycheck to paycheck. They’ll be broke within a month. The owners are billionaires each, and can realistically cancel the season if they so desire.

Ultimately, this could all be worked out if the owners opened their books. If we knew how much they were making in terms of profit, then it’s reasonable to use that as a starting point to negotiate a new percentage of income for the players.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

The players are already getting paid a boatload….adding a few million here or there is not going to change things all that much. More to the point, when you open those books, you’ll find that most of the teams are making minimal profits (less than $20 million) while only perhaps a half dozen or so are making any kind of real profit (more than $25 million).

The players also get endorsement deals, sponsorships, etc and those aren’t accounted for by the CBA. Why should the owners have to account for all their incomes and the players don’t? It’s a one way street as far as the players are concerned.

by DevilsReject on Jul 26, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? It’s players that are getting abused by the owners here, not the other way around. Players don’t call shots in any league. Players have a limited lifespan. No matter how talented they are they cannot play football forever. Owners are sitting on teams that simply rise and rise in value and are co-financed by the cities that host them. THAT is a sweet deal. It’s not players that are charging you full price for preseason games (In fact I don’t think they get their full salary number for appearing in these games that cost the exact same amount as a regular season game… hmmm….)

Owners initially declared that they were losing money. The Packers’ unique and not very amenable situation still yielding a profit makes this claim look hilariously faulty. This seems to be the reason why they’re refusing to open the books. Players account for a large enough chunk of revenue in a complete and total cash cow of a league to demand the salaries they receive. It isn’t like the NBA where some teams are losing money. Boo-hoo small-market teams are only posting consistent profits of 10-20 million a year. Owners aren’t going to lower ticket prices, stop asking cities to foot unfair portions of their stadium costs for next to nothing in return, and raking in money. The owners are the last people you should feel sorry for.

They’re trying to force a rookie slot system, which is fine, but they want to pocket the money they save on salary which is why they so adamantly are refusing to open the books. And owners like Jerry Jones want to nix profit-sharing as much as possible so that some teams WILL be saddled with losses. This lockout is being driven by the greed of the owners.

by INDIANABANNER on Jul 26, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the network payments

Note that (from the same NFL article):

failure to play games would force [the NFL] to reimburse the TV networks, regardless.

Still, getting $4 billion for a year makes for nice interest income, even if the money has to be returned.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

The Packers don't have a "yearly $9.8 million profit"

The Packers made $9.8 million this year on operating profit. That’s less than half of what it was last year despite overall revenue increasing by $10.1 million. It also doesn’t take into account investment losses, which cut the net profit to $5.2 million.

$5.2 million sounds like a lot of money to you and me but compared to the Packers’ $258 million in revenue it really sucks. That’s like a 2% profit margin. Airlines do better than that.

Exclaiming that the Patriots make triple that would be kind of like Derek Zoolander demanding that his building be at least three times bigger than the model.

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by szquirrel on Jul 26, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Bingo!

Glad to see I’m not alone in seeing that!

by DevilsReject on Jul 26, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, right?

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by szquirrel on Jul 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tha was actually funny.

Only b/c it was so dumb. Ben Stiller sucks though.

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by P0RKINS2 on Jul 26, 2010 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Zoolander is stupid.

by Guru506 on Jul 26, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"If a deal is 'within reach,' that kind of suggests we should expect a signing any day now."

My guess would be that if “no deal is imminent,” we probably shouldn’t expect a signing any day now.

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by linkish on Jul 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

So is my laundry.

:p

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by linkish on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

touche

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Most people call me that other word that ends with -ouche.

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by linkish on Jul 28, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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