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I don't think anyone here would be all that surprised if they learned that the Patriots have been lying on their injury reports during the tenure of Bill Belichick as Patriots coach.

The NFL rules state clearly that a team is required to list all injuries for all of their players each and every week, no exceptions. If a player is injured, and the team knows he is injures and fails to report that injury on the weekly report, it's a violation of the rules. These rules take on added significance now with the information we are getting about head injuries and their lingering affects on players, like the late-Chris Henry and former-Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson.

At the end of the 2009 season, CBS Sports' Charlie Casserly reported that Tom Brady was playing football with broken ribs. The oddity of this report was that the Patriots had failed to report this little bit of information on their injury docket prior to their Week 16 match-up with the Jaguars. So, what Casserly was accusing the Pats of was violating NFL rules, something the Patriots have a pretty solid track record of doing.

Naturally, Bill Belichick got upset at Casserly's outrageous accusation, taking some pretty strong shots at the former-GM of the Houston Texans:

"Who's been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist," Belichick said.

"He has no relationship to this team. I'd say less than zero. Based on what? He's never at a practice, never at a game," Belichick said before getting into a discussion of sports media practices in general.

"At least he put his name on it which is more than a lot of guys. But, like he usually is, he was 100 percent wrong.

Well, it turns out Bill Belichick was probably lying when he said those nasty things about Casserly. According to Tom Brady's personal throwing coach, Tom Martinez, Tommy Terrific did indeed play with three borken ribs and a broken finger in the final few weeks of the 2009 season.

So much for Casserly being "100% wrong," huh Bill.

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Put aside for a moment the fact that Tom Brady is one tough SOB (three broken ribs?), this new information from Martinez strongly suggests the Patriots willingly and knowingly withheld Brady's injury status from the report. Unless their medical staff is grossly incompetent, it's kind of hard to hide broken ribs and a broken finger.Withholding information like that from an injury report is a violation of the rules.

Last season, the NFL fined the Jets $75,000 and their former-head coach Eric Mangini $25,000 for failing to list Brett Favre's arm injury during the final weeks of the 2008 season. Favre played one season for the Jets before retiring and then un-retiring (again) to join the Vikings. It's likely Belichick and the Patriots will receive a similar penalty.

Commissioner Roger Goodell personally feels the injury listings rule is "an important rule for the integrity of the game." I know there are rumblings that the Colts are equally dishonest with their injury reports. If that is so, such activity is no different than what the Patriots are doing, and using Roger Goodell's own words, what the Patriots are doing is damaging the integrity of the game.

If the Colts are doing the same thing, they deserve the same penalty. NFL Network's Marshall Faulk was recently quoted as saying:

"Here's my thing -- it's well-documented that if you're not cheating, you're not trying in sports. Some of the best things that are done in sports are illegal. You work around the rules and try to get things done."

Ha! I guess the NFL should make a poster of that and hang it from a rafter during one of the Super Bowl halftime shows. Unfortunately for Marshall, that isn't what the NFL is selling to the public. If you are cheating, you're a scumbag because you are trampling on the integrity of a game that has a rich and lengthy history.

Also, when you tell taxpayers that they are publicly subsidizing a stadium for a league that promotes cheating, it is not quite the right message you want to send. People tend to get a little pissed when they realize their money is supporting something they do not personally believe in, and any league that promotes or enables cheating is not worth people's hard-earned money. Faulk is a schmuck for saying what he said, and Bill Belichick will likely be a bit lighter in the wallet when august rolls around.

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The Colts has injury reports as long as a laundry list....

Even Peyton’s glute was famoulsy on the injury report for a while…. what caused the accusations? I am curious…

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by Manning4ever on Jul 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The Colts are intentionally vague with the report

read back through and notice how rare a probable or doubtful label is. The Colts basically only use Questionable and Out.

It’s all about where you draw the line between gamesmanship and cheating. The Colts give the barest of minimum injury disclosure, while the Pats inflate (Brady, probable, right shoulder) and hide (Brady’s ribs) injuries. Other coaches have admitted to calling a knee injury an ankle and similar stuff on the reasoning that they don’t want opposing players to be able to intentionally aggravate the injury.

Everyone pushes the rules, the Pats are just the boldest about it. That doesn’t excuse it though, when a team pushes the rules too far they need to be smacked back into line.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Jul 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've definely seen some questionable go to doubtful

This occured starting near seasons end and may have occured on Fridays report & updated later on Friday .. Sure I have seen this but agree its was hardly used

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by bayone on Jul 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone knows.........

That glute injury was listed so that Indy Lori would attach binoculars to them.

by tim55 on Jul 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you r gonna say sth... . haha....

I wish Indy Lori can have her things done soon and report back to Stampede Blue Pronto…..

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by Manning4ever on Jul 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ind Lori

Is one of my favorite people on this blog.

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by Sir Sci on Jul 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

They complied with the injury report.

Week 16 against the Jags, Brady is listed on there as probable with a rib injury (and shoulder and finger injury). He was more than certain to play (the probable listing) and they listed his injured area (rib).

Just because Belichick calls someone a liar publicly doesn’t mean they weren’t compliant with the injury report.

I don’t understand how this is cheating. I know what the perception of the Pats is but the facts would indicate otherwise in this instance.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 3, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Here's where Florio says he was listed
Brady was listed on the official report from Week 13 through 17 as being probable to play with “right shoulder, finger, rib” injuries.

If he was listed, what’s the problem (other than Belichick being a jerk)?

by Joel Thorman on Jul 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I remembered that too

I think it was pretty well known that Brady was injured towards the final part of last season (and just was not that great the rest of it).

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by npb1985 on Jul 3, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because BigBS just wants a headline

and another chance to put “Belichick” and “cheating” in the same sentence. Doesn’t matter if what he pulls out of his ass is full of crap.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 4, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I actually agree with a Pats fan

What. The. Hell. Oh, well, I’ll just have to take a second shower and wish both fanbases a happy fourth

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Jul 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same to you!

Hope you’ve got something fun planned to celebrate. : )

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 4, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, too, am beginning to agree with you

All teams manipulate the injury report, not that this makes it right. Judging by the sudden uptick in reported injuries midway through last season, I wonder whether the Colts may have received a warning about their own actions.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am wondering if Peyton's pain in the neck is something that should have been on

the injury report or not…

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by Manning4ever on Jul 5, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It didn't keep him out or limit him in any practice,

and he was never in doubt for a game. There was no reason to list him on the injury report. You can’t list every bump and bruise on the injury report, or you’ll have every player on there every week.

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by Cassieper on Jul 5, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real world

Playing it cute with injury reports is part of the game…whether we like it or not? Every team in the NFL does it, to some degree. That doesn’t make it right…but where is the story here?

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by edictben1 on Jul 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Simple

Whether wrong or right, the teams are required to disclose injuries for players per the NFL. The Patriots failed to do so…

I personally don’t give a %$ whether a team does or not, but its in the rules, and if they’ll fine the Jets with I’m gonna retire Favre, than they need to do it to the Patriots…..

And yes, if the Colts are guilty of it, they should suffer the same fate…

by DevilsReject on Jul 4, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no wrongdoing here.

Lying, sure, but they disclosed Rib on the report. The lie was made only to protect Brady from people gunning at him. If you know a guy has three ribs that are BROKEN, it might be worth 15 yards if you can knock him out of the game. Let’s not pretend we wouldn’t do the same if we were a DE lined up across from a guy with known broken ribs.

Add to that the fact that the Colts are as guilty as anyone of skirting the injury report and you’re just opening yourself up to criticism here with this article. There’s no Patriot wrongdoing here.

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by willyduer on Jul 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The Steelers have become extremely vague and secretive about their injury reports in the last few years

I think it’s Coach T’s thing, but I’m sure the Pats aren’t the only team to play games with injuries.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Attention Patriots Fans

http://www.nfl.com/injuries?team=NE

That’s the official NFL injury report list straight from NFL.com

Week’s 16 thru 17, Tom Brady does NOT appear on that list….

Week’s 1 thru 15, Tom Brady has a right shoulder injury…

Nuff said….

by DevilsReject on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Correction

Tom Brady doesnt appear on that list in Week’s 16-17 with a rib injury….which we know he had at that point….

by DevilsReject on Jul 4, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

which we know NOW

Wes Welker played with a torn rotator cuff and never appeared on the injury report because he didn’t tell anyone.

“I didn’t know about it,” Welker said. “You know what I’m saying? It was bad, but it wasn’t, like, [devastating]. I didn’t really tell anybody about it. It was bothering me, but it wasn’t to a point where it was, like, ‘I can’t go.’”

Brady didn’t complain about his inuries, never used them as an excuse, and might not have informed the team.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

some "official report"

“No injuries” for wild card weekend? I’m sorry, I don’t care if you got that from God himself, that list is not accurate. Brady was listed with “shoulder, rib, and finger” injuries for the latter part of the season, and thus the Patriots were in compliance with league policy. Morally speaking, well that’s another story…

Sampling of the inaccuracy of above report. Here is the REAL patriots listing from Pats-Jaguars game for Friday before the game(from the team’s website):

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (9-5)
Out
Player Position Injury
No Players Listed
Doubtful
Player Position Injury
No Players Listed
  
 
Questionable
Player Position Injury
Kaczur, Nick T Shoulder (Limited Participation)
Neal, Stephen G Ankle (Limited Participation)
Taylor, Fred RB Ankle (Limited Participation)
Warren, Ty DE Ankle (Limited Participation)
Wilfork, Vince DL Foot (Limited Participation)
Probable
Player Position Injury
Aiken, Sam WR Shoulder (Full Participation)
Banta-Cain, Tully LB Shoulder (Full Participation)
Brady, Tom QB Right Shoulder/ Right Finger / Rib (Full Participation)
Edelman, Julian WR Forearm (Full Participation)
Green, Jarvis DE Knee (Limited Participation)
Springs, Shawn CB Knee (Full Participation)
Watson, Benjamin TE Knee (Full Participation)

 
C’mon guys, I know it’s the before-preseason doldrums, but there’s got to me more to talk about than that. Don’t tell me you watch the headlines for opportunities for the opposition to be fined…

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by amerrill on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm yea

nfl.com does a very poor job of listing all the injuries for any team. you can look at any teams injury report and they never have more than one injury when you know certain players had more so stop trying to prove something with faulty information devilsreject you’re just a patriot hater what ever you have to say means nothing because you did not look up all the facts before jumping at the chance to smear the patriots name

by switchofnewengland on Jul 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

uhh... don't look now, dude,

but you’re surrounded by them… us… we… whatever.

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by teej813 on Jul 6, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

great points teej813.....

and what truth it is…… somehow I really believe our Patriots counterparts forget which blogs they are on….
Note: I really don’t know enough about this injury report thing so not taking any stands on this particular subject. But honestly, again, this is a Colts blog……..just in case someone get lost……

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by Manning4ever on Jul 7, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha... yeah, that always strikes me as weird.

I mean, what do they expect when they come here to discuss football… that we’re gonna be rational and open-minded?? Pfffffft. Colts rock, everyone else sucks.

;)

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by teej813 on Jul 7, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a Gambling Issue

Some people obviously knew how bad Brady was hurting, but the general public didn’t know the extent of the injury. There are hundreds of millions of dollars bet on NFL games each week. It’s a huge business, like it or not. If it gets out that teams are selectivley releasing information, it can really ruin the integrity of the game.

by smonroe on Jul 4, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I was about to comment on this and you beat me to it.

It isn’t about “the integrity of the game” at all. Goodell is full of it. It is about the book makers in Vegas, but you can’t come right out and say that: “We encourage betting”.

It’s also annoying to fantasy owners who are trying to get their team set.

Players often hide and don’t acknowledge injuries as well. Some guys finally cracked the roster and are afraid that if they are pulled, that will end their careers. Some guys figure they’ll the injury isn’t that bad and they’ll be playing anyway. They just don’t want a big target painted on it for the other team. Some guys are just tough SOB’s and they’ll play through just about anything. Welker had a torn rotator cuff that he said he didn’t tell anyone about. The medical staff responds to complaints made by players. I doubt they’re the ones that found Peyton inflamed bursa sac, that he said he was playing with for awhile.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Patroits

Lmao , I don’t thing the Pats coach does anything anyone else don’t do. When a team like the Patroits come along and win as many games and SB’s like they have , everyone else gets jealous and says all kind of things. The Patroits are the team of the decade , why does everyone want to tear em down ? It’s the people mainly thatn pyll for teams that hardly win anything , but it’s a few other teams fans also. I am a Saints fan since 1967 when they started playing. We have never really won much of nothing. We won the NfC championship and the SB in 2009 and before that we won maybe 3-4 division championships and went to the finals in 2006. Now we have people trying to tare us down ? Lol , compared to the Patroits we have hardly done anything. I can’t imagine what they would say or try to do the Saints if we won as many things as the Patroits have. I am glad our coach is friends with Belichick and gauges the Saints team or tries to image his team to what the Patroits have done , or doing. If you want to be a winner what not model after the best their is ? Right now , I would say the Saints and Patroits are the best two clubs in the NFL. Not Manning , Rogers or Favre and the Colts,Packers and Vikings lol.

by saints since 67 on Jul 7, 2010 5:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Patroits

Another thing. If Brady played with 3 broken ribs and a broken finger , I think thats great. How many other QB’s or players coul do that ? Lol , the Saints played Favre ruff and tuff in the NFC champ game and he got a hurt ankle. He went home crying and the Queenie fans have been calling us cheaters ever since. I don’t think Favre is no Tom Brady !

by saints since 67 on Jul 7, 2010 6:03 AM EDT reply actions  

what are you? twelve?

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by teej813 on Jul 7, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

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