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Buddy Ryan, over-rated former head coach who never won anything, not liking Tony Dungy right now

It was a only a matter of time before Buddy Ryan, the one-time head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and the father of current New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan, would chime on on Tony Dungy's scolding of Rex for his foul language on HBO's Hard Knocks series.

In typical Buddy Ryan fashion, he misses the mark completely:

Appearing with John Gonzalez and Vai Sikahema of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia, the elder Ryan discussed Dungy's criticism of Rex.

As to Dungy's point that he wouldn't hire Rex Ryan, Buddy Ryan said, "I don't think he had applied for a job with what's his name, either." 

As to Dungy's statement that he hopes Commissioner Roger Goodell tells Rex to tone it down, Buddy Ryan said, "Well, it's none of Dungy's business."

The "elder" Ryan is 76 years old. So, I'll just assume age is the reason he is calling legendary NFL head coach Tony Dungy "what's his name." And to address Buddy's silly suggestion that it's none of Dungy's business as to whether or not Roger Goodell tells Rex to tone down the F bombs, it's just another case of the elder Ryan simply not knowing WTF he is talking about.

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Other than Goodell himself, there is no greater ambassador to the NFL than Dungy. Goodell has worked with Dungy on a number of NFL-related initiatives, like the re-instatement of Michael Vick and the Players Advisory Forum. Dungy is also beloved by just about every conceivable market demographic that the NFL caters to today, especially the "family" demo. Like it or not, the NFL tailors itself as a family experience. This is likely why its TV ratings destroy just about anything else out there. And families, especially those in the Midwest, might turn away from an NFL that promotes a fat, loud-mouthed coach who has never won anything dropping F bombs left and right on a show that SOLE PURPOSE is to promote the league.

For me, Rex's cursing doesn't offend me. I curse like a sailor. Then again, I'm a married guy with no kids who spends a ton of time on the east coast. I'm not who the NFL markets itself towards (families in the Midwest, or 'middle America'). And having grown up in 'middle America' and spent a lot of time thee, I can tell you right now that the key demographic for the NFL is likely not very pleased at how Rex Ryan is acting on the boob tube.

As for Buddy, I can understand him defending his son, but he's in the wrong here. It also doesn't help Buddy's cause that he is known as a classless buffoon. He never won a playoff game head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and his offenses never scored more than 7 points in any one of his losses. The man was clueless when it came to understanding offensive football.

The act he is most famous for is punching an assistant coach (Kevin Gilbride) during a game! In today's NFL, Ryan would have been suspended indefinitely for doing something as grossly unprofessional as that. Since Ryan has never apologized for the incident (the Houston Oilers, the team he worked for at the time, didn't even suspend him!) it's kind of hard to take anything he says seriously on the subject of coaching conduct.

In Buddy's warped world, as long as Rex doesn't stab someone on the sidelines, everything is OK. Cursing? No big deal. Punching coaches? Hey, he was asking for it.  Take shots at a legendary coach like Tony Dungy, a man who has actually won a playoff game along with a championship while turning around two historically bad NFL franchises? Sure! Why not.?

Gotta love the Ryan family.

Buddy's record with Philadelphia was 43-36 with an 0-3 playoff record. He should STFU next time he has anything critical to say of Tony Dungy. Win something first. Then, you can talk. Such a basic concept simply hasn't taken with the Ryan family.

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Don`t mess with Dungy.He actually did something for the Colts

by SWS on Aug 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Tony Dungy is much more respected than most of the coaches in the NFL! Buddy Ryan? Forget him! No wonder his twins Rob and Rex are buffoons like daddy!

by Rasetsu on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Buddy Ryan is still alive?

Who knew.

Look, all you need to know is this:

Dungy is well known for his accomplishments.
The Ryans are in the limelight because of reality TV.

I care about what Snooki has to say as much as I do what Buddi has to say.

by ActionOxford on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Great article...and totally agree with you..

but why all the knocking the east coast? I live in the south east…no more swearing here than in the midwest…don’t say you like to curse like a sailor just because you spend time on the east coast…just own up to the fact you are a potty mouth and be done with it.

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by TRDean on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I love Tony Dungy for what he did as Head Coach

but his pushing-values-on-others is really getting frustrating. If Rex used profanity in a post-game press-conference on CBS, sure, fine him. Hard Knocks is on HBO. Frankly, if you subscribe to HBO the F-bomb is nothing new to you. The NFL is the biggest sport in America, it’s going to appeal to a wide range of audience and that’s part of the fun. I don’t like Rex Ryan but I don’t want to sensor him on a show that is supposed to be showing training camp in a reality format. What’s real about censoring him?
Tony Dungy is a great, great man. I love seeing him on TV and he has been an incredible mentor to countless young men. I do not want him or the NFL pushing his values (or beliefs) on me.

by mtfearin on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

People shouldn't push for whatever values they believe in?

Sounds like you need some values to believe in.

God hates the New England Patriots

by Juri on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll stray from judging you the way you have me

but, no, I do not think others should be so concerned with pressing their values on others. Not when they are as petty as foul language in a premium cable channel. I think there is a substantial difference in pressing for say, world peace, than there is pressing for censorship of a premium cable channel.

by mtfearin on Aug 18, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Using your own standards, right now you are pushing your own values on me – which is that foul language is not a problem. See?

God hates the New England Patriots

by Juri on Aug 18, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? Really?

This isn’t worth debating, so I won’t.

by mtfearin on Aug 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said he was pushing values

if people didnt want his opinion on Rex Ryan, then Dan Patrick shouldnt have asked him the question in the first place. Dont ask, Dont tell. Well Patrick did ask and Dungy did tell. So when Buddy says “its none of Dungys business” he should be blaming Patrick for asking the question in the first place. Dungy just answered the question with his own honest opinion on the matter.

by metal_militia on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know for sure, but....

could it be that Buddy Ryan was asked his opinion on Dungy’s comments, hence making the comments he did?

The “what’s his name?”-comment is lame, no doubt about that.

But as much as Dungy was a tremendous head coach and no doubt is a wonderful human being, he misses the mark on this one.

by pmj on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

but Dungy answered with his opinion in a matter-of-fact way. Ryan, on the other hand, answered like an ass. It makes a difference. I doubt SB would even discuss it had Ryan insulted and demeaned Dungy.

by ActionOxford on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

I did not take into account that he was responding to a question. It is not that he is making a fuss over this, he was only responding to DP’s question.

by mtfearin on Aug 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed!

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by Manning4ever on Aug 18, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Q & A

My understanding is that Dungy was asked a question, and he gave his honest opinion. I don’t think he pushed anything on anyone.

Now, he could have said “no comment” or given an answer that would not get noticed, but I applaud him more for being honest.

by m@chu on Aug 18, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you

I’ve seen plenty of you tube video’s of peyton cussin up a storm.. it’s completely idioc to think that f bombs aren’t flyin around on the field.. dungy’s just gettin pub to sale books

by ColtfaninPitts on Aug 18, 2010 6:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So, let me get this straight. If Buddy Ryan had won some playoff games he would be entitled to act like a loudmouth buffoon?

I guess that is the Win and everything you do is okay philosophy. Ben Rothelisberger heartily endorses [and lives by] that philosophy.

I don’t care what you have done in your chosen career, that does not forgive classless, immoral, or illegal behaviour.

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe the implication

was that Buddy nor Rex have been winners but Buddy referred to Dungy, a winner, as “what’s his name”.

by mtfearin on Aug 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dungy has done more then all the Ryans ever have and probably will do.

I respect Dungy, the guy kinda might know a wee little bit about football with his record in the nfl. SO WTF does the old whats his name ryan challenge him. Beacuse hes old and dying and knows Dungy is to Classy to say anything back to the old dirtbag. Makes me hate the guy more.

by Patsfan4life on Aug 18, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

If you critisize someone else, you open yourself up for a rebuttal.

Dungy is a great coach but as a commentator he is a tool.

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by squidlo97 on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Dungy tool?

What a pee pee head. I love it when I have a well thought out rebuttal.

by tim55 on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say "rebuttal," but I think you mean retort.

A rebuttal involves evidence to prove the contrary position. Ryan simply called Dungy a jerk.

by ActionOxford on Aug 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dungy doesn't want a coach that swears....

but he doesn’t mind his QB doing it, I guess?

http://ballhype.com/video/peyton_manning_goes_insane/

I know, I know – it’s not part of Mannings every-day every-minute vocabulary, but still….

by pmj on Aug 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not Dungy, but

I don’t think he wouldn’t want Rex on his staff because he swears. I think it has more to do with his overall personality and his fit with the rest of the staff. Would Rex have fit in with the Colts during Dungy’s time? Dungy had a plan for how the team would be run and hired coaches that would make it happen. Bring in a guy who disagrees with your approach and he’ll wreck everything. It’s not about swearing; it’s about chemistry.

by ActionOxford on Aug 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree it wouldn't be a good fit

Dungy’s comments however were – asked if he would hire a coach that talks the way Rexy does:
“I would not. I personally don’t want my players to be around that. I don’t want to be around that. . . . It’s hard for me to be around that, and if I were in charge, no, I wouldn’t hire someone like that. Now, I’ve been around ‘F’ bombs, so it’s not like it’s new. I just don’t think that has to be part of your every-minute, everyday vocabulary to get your point across.”

He says he would not hire a coach that talks that way – the question wasn’t whether he’d hire Ryan or not, but whether he’d hire a coach that throws f-bombs around… he wouldn’t. So the way Dungy said it – it IS about the swearing… because the swearing makes it a bad fit – and then the right chemistry isn’t there

by pmj on Aug 18, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christ... why is this a story?

It’s nothing more than Dan Patrick trying to stir the pot with niggling gossip. It’s one coach saying he doesn’t like swearing and another coach saying he doesn’t give a #$@%. That’s it. It’s one of those stupid events that says more about people commenting on the quotes than it does about the two personalities itself. It’s not football. It’s celebrity gossip involving football coaches.

So why is everyone paying attention to it? As well as giving in to the sports media’s blatant manufacturing of an event that’s not newsworthy? Folks like me can’t seem to escape this inanity. I don’t give a damn about Ryan’s swearing, I’m not surprised at Dungy’s beliefs, and I sure as hell don’t need or want to hear or read what either of them think about each other. But Patrick, ESPN, Florio/PFT, and so on is making this out to be worthy of our attention. Not the injuries. Not the deeper followups to the last games, or the discussions of the upcoming ones. It’s BS that people are even caring about this.

Yes, I am trying to ignore the stupid non-story. But how can I when the only three venues that isn’t trumpeting this manufactured event are Phil B’s blog (but his Twitter site is, so even ole Phil is participating), Oesher’s Examiner site, and Nate Dunleavy’s 18to88? It’s impossible to skip over and has no value as far as actual football discussion. Again, it’s gossip. Are we really enabling the football news media in their turning of honest reportage into inane Hollywood style “Paris Hilton walked her dog. Wheeeeeee!” gossiping? Or is no one else looking at the meta in this?

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by E.M.H. on Aug 18, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Every time people are getting mad at Dungy for supposedly sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong, it is just him answering a question that he was asked. It’s not like Dungy was going on the air simply to bash Rex Ryan. He stated an opinion. Now everyone else wants to say their opinion on Dungy’s opinion. Silly stuff. Can we go back to insulting Kenton Keith, Tim Jennings, Curtis Painter?

by hoosierdore on Aug 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a father with a foul mouth and temper to match,,,

I think Buddy’s comments were pretty well done, actually.

Without directly insulting Dungy, he dismissed him (what’s his name) and without saying who is right or wrong, by saying “my son didn’t apply for a job” he basically said it was a moot point.

He could have done a LOT worse. Let your imagination go. It starts with “my son wouldn’t want to work for him either” (mild but an ugly line to draw in the sand shold his sone need a job someday) to an unrestrained string of profanity-laced invective (funny, over the top, proving Dungy’s point). Pretty sure I would not have handled it as well as Buddy. (probably would have said, “No offense intended, but neither of us is in the NFL any more, who who gives a shit what either of us thinks? Being a retiree gives you the great advantage of being able to opine on anything you want, but it also comes with the limitation that your opinion is just that—one man’s impotent views. HIs comments mean nothing, as do mine. I love my son and support him. I respect what’s his name for what he’s done, but not what he has to say now that his career is over. Now let’s talk some actual football….”)

Of course he had to defend his son, and I thought he did so in a way that didn’t really leave a scorched earth behind.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 18, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

From a biased Buddy system fan

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by MeanGreen5 on Aug 18, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is fucking stupid

Correct me if I’m wrong, but all Tony said was that he would not hire Ryan because of his foul language. ESPN has blown this shit waaaaay out of proportion saying shit like Dungy attacked Ryan’s personality, and Ryan coming out saying he wasn’t a bad guy because he cussed. Dungy never said he was a bad guy, just that he wouldn’t hire that kind of guy.

by Dr. Brain on Aug 18, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The Ryan's are Buffoons, but they know defense.

“The act he is most famous for is punching an assistant coach (Kevin Gilbride) during a game! "

Huh? Architect of the ’85 Bears – most dominant D ever?
46 Defense?

Yes, the Ryan’s are blowhards and buffoons, but they know how to scheme great NFL defenses, and ignoring that and focusing on tabloidy type stuff like the Gilbride punch is really shallow.

by Cro-mags on Aug 18, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Hey...

you a Cro-mags fan? Great 80s music!!

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by TRDean on Aug 19, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

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