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Colts Preseason 2010: Who Helped And Hurt Themselves After The Packers Game

Earlier this week, we talked about guys who needed to prove something in this third preseason game. While guys like Tom Brandstater weren't even given a chance despite Curtis Painter fumbling twice and throwing yet another interception, guys like Ricardo Mathews and Mike Hart showed up a little bit.

Unfortunately, several other players simply did not perform, and when you look at the entirety of their training camp and preseason, they simply have not done enough to win a spot on the 53-man roster.

After the jump, we discuss who helped themselves against the Packers and who will likely get a pink slip after September 2nd's fourth and final preseason game for the Colts.

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Helped

Ray Fisher

Ray needed to make a play to justify a roster spot, and he did. Is he guaranteed anything? No. The muffed punt against the Bills will always linger in Jim Caldwell's mind. However, his 58 yard return last night was the 'Wow' play he needed in order to get back in the good graces of the coaches. He also had two tackles and I don't think his coverage was too bad.

 

Fili Moala

There's been some debate as to how well he played, but Fili stepped in for Antonio Johnson (who injured his groin) and the Colts were still very stout stuffing Green Bay's run (2.7 a carry). He engaged blockers well, allowing Pat Angerer (who subbed in for Gary Bracket) to rack up 10 tackles.

 

Ricardo Mathews

As stated earlier, we had a Mathews sighting! He made a few tackles and I saw him in the backfield a few times disrupting plays and, generally, being active. Ricardo is very much on the bubble with the 53-man roster. He needed a decent game like this to even get considered for practice squad.

 

Hurt

Brandon James

If Tony Dungy were still the head coach, James would be cut this morning. His muffed punt was absolutely inexcusable. I remember seeing one-time Colts returner (now current Saints returner) Courtney Roby fumble a kick return in a preseason game against the Bills in 2008. I knew right then Roby would not make the team. He was cut a short time later. Special teams players who fumble are as useless as receivers who can't catch. Right now, James can't catch AND he fumbles on punt returns. It's amazing in that James looked decent in the first two preseason games, but it is telling that in the first 'dress rehearsal' game, he chokes. He's gone.

 

Curtis Painter

Let's look at the stats, shall we? 6-11, 97 yards and a pick for the game. He also had two fumbles. Painter's numbers for preseason are 20-36,194 yards, 1 TD, 4 INTs, and 3 fumbles. I will, once again, quote Bill Polian:

You can get something from the practice field, but not everything. They don't keep score at practice. They only keep score when the lights go on.

So, with the lights on, Curtis has been dreadful. Hell, with the 'lights off,' on the practice field, he's been equally bad. He's done nothing to justify a roster spot. He most certainly has not made any kind of 'second year jump,' as Bob Lamey suggested he had during training camp. Painter isn't good enough to play Arena League. If the Colts keep him, Bill Polian is a hypocrite. I'm sure the Colts will say the same, dumb 'You people don't see the film. you don't know how to evaluate. Blah. Blah. Blah.' In most cases, that can be true. But not this one. I've DVRed and watched Painter's progressions, his throws, his decision-making. They're all awful. But even that aside, the basic tenet of the Colts is 'How do you perform with the lights on?' Well, with Painter we know. Thus, if the team keeps him despite his poor play, they're hypocrites.

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A few good things (because we NEED good things)

Addai is running like a man possessed. He’s stumbling through the leg tackles that always seemed to bring him down in the past.

Bob Sanders is getting his mojo back. All he had to do was unload on a defenseless receiver, and it was game-on after that

Angerer is looking like he can hold GB’s spot competently.

"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"

by naptown_ninja on Aug 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about Angerer for GB

I have never been a GB fan – just haven’t for some reason.

I always wanted the Colts to have a bigger – harder hitting MLB.

However, I have come to respect GB and his game – his coverage skills are above average.

Then watching Angerer last night – he looked lost in coverage.

I know he is a rookie and this was his first – test so to say.

I like Angerer – and his confidence – I am just not so sure I want him in there covering the middle of the field.

Let’s hope GB makes a quick return.

by IT GOD on Aug 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Angerer had a TON of tackles last night

The pack could hardly run against us, and Angerer helped. I’m not saying he’s the answer, but you have to admit he’s playing the second toughest position on the field pretty well for a rookie. He’s certainly out performing the rest of our rookies

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by naptown_ninja on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh - I agree he is a tackling machine

I think he is a STUD and definitely “eventually” GB’s replacement.

I am just scared with him being out there in coverage.

Agreed – he is a rookie – and is doing pretty darn good for a rookie.

How do you think he looked in pass coverage? – that is where I was really going…

by IT GOD on Aug 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got you back on the other thread

not as bad as you think. He got no help from our secondary: blown coverages on the safeties, corners all night

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by naptown_ninja on Aug 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just saw a couple of plays

where he looked confused – not sure if he needed to attack or drop back into coverage.

but hell – that is going to be expected – he is learning and wasn’t even planning on being out there with the 1’s and I’m sure he was a little nervous.

The kid can freaking hit and tacklet thought – that is for sure.

I like Angerer – but have come to respect Gary’s coverage skills.

If Angerer has to start week 1 – I am sure the coaches and Clint/Philip will do all they can to make sure he is ready.

Wonder when we will hear anything about Gary???

by IT GOD on Aug 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Taj Smith?

I know he’s pretty much a no-factor, but on that catch along the sideline he adjusted to the ball and got hit-sticked pretty hard, and still came down with the ball. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the PS

by AbroadColtsFan on Aug 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No more eligibility

Has to be on the 53 or sent packing.

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by ZayJack on Aug 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

He’ll be packing…We are “too deep” at receiver. Not a bad problem to have.

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by LaserRocketArm on Aug 27, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Wouldn’t he be the 5th receiver? I think it is a good possibility he will make the team. He has really bounced back from his poor game against SF.

Sammy Guns Giguere, on the other hand, should be let go in the first round of cuts. He can’t catch and he is too slow….

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Taj Smith has to be the frontrunner for WR5, a position that likely won’t see the field much this year but is essential in case one of the four WRs who will get PT goes down. Smith probably knows the system as well as if not better than any of his competition and nobody else has really stood out.

by Collin McCollough on Aug 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

WR5 is crucial to special teams….see Hank Baskett.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

you did NOT just go there

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's an extremely important point, though.

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by linkish on Aug 30, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

who?

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by teej813 on Aug 29, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guns looked terrible on returns too

It was nice knowing him.

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by ctnyc on Aug 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Painter was OK on that first series

Everything sort of fell apart after that.

I thought our first team defense was absolutely awful. Line got zero pressure on Rodgers, and he absolutely carved up our secondary. With Manning and his receivers not having a near-perfect day, I never felt like good things were happening. Toss in the special teams fails and turnovers, and that sort of performance will see us lose an awful lot of games this season.

Painter’s the least of our problems, IMO.

by eltharion_doa on Aug 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

In my opinion, Painter continues to get better each week. He looks much more comfortable out there now. The fumbled snaps are unacceptable though.

The first team had a lead in the game until the wheels fell off following the James punt return fumble. Also keep in mind that winning the game, almost being competitive in the game, seemed secondary for the Colts to exploiting the umpire placement rule. I’m not worried.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Painter vs Manning

6/11 = 54% completion percentage
15/26 = 57% completion percentage

11 for 97 = 8.8 ypt
26 for 214 = 8.2 ypt

Each had a pick, Painter had 2 more fumbles than Manning but Manning had 1 more fumble lost.

Manning had 2 TD to Painter’s none but they ran the ball in on the drive that Painter lead down the field.

On top of this Manning threw some horrendous balls that would have been easy to pick. So while I agree that Painter looked bad, so did Manning so I don’t think Painter really helped or hurt his cause (though his first drive was quite good).

by kasey_junk on Aug 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Peyton looked bad ALL night.

There were a lot of great throws as well. But I think that getting pissed off on the field was his worst mistake. It probably affected his team mates. Which is never good. He needs to figure this thing out with the refs. IF the rule stays, as is.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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by Indy Lori on Aug 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the rule stays as is it will destroy the hurry up except for the last 2 min of the game.

by Ufanforreal on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it stays,

The Colts will have no choice but adapt. But that would mean changing practically most of the offensive playbook. It goes without saying this will hurt our offense. I know Peyton hates it, we hate it, but teams like the Packers are probably popping the champaign over it.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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by Indy Lori on Aug 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

How many times do the Colts actually snap the ball as fast as they were doing it during that GB game? I think they were just proving a point. The great majority of times, they get set and then Manning looks the defense over before calling out the play, etc.

I just don’t think it will be as big of a deal as everyone fears it will be.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree that they were trying to prove a point.

And maybe I was exaggerating in my comment, but, they do use the hurry up many times in the course of a lot of games. Even if it’s not the majority of the time, taking it away will still hurt our offense when they do choose to no huddle hurry up. I hope you’re right that it’s not that big a deal. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. But I still don’t like it that Peyton has to wait for a signal to snap the ball, and the ump in the backfield seemed so slow a few times getting set.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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by Indy Lori on Aug 28, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

And I think the NFL will address that with an emphasis on the umpire busting his hump to get into position instead of loitering around the line of scrimmage like that guy was in the Packers game.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kasey's point is

You have to view the games, individually, to put it in perspective. And rightly so.

I still think Painter is a bad backup, but he’s the furthest along in the system. I hated that lame excuse when Sorgi was there and it hate it now, but that’s the vibe I get when they retain these guys.

by 18forPrez on Aug 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

But are you actually comparing Curtis Painter’s numbers to Peyton Manning’s?

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by Brad Wells on Aug 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Not to say that they are the same QB, but to show context. To say Painter hurt himself by having a bad game and then use stats that are nearly identical to Mannings as the justification seems odd to me.

If you want to point out particular decisions that he made or examine non-objective measures, I’d be ok with that. But just the stats show a game about the same as a future hall of famer. To me this just means the stats are not a good measure of how well either of them played (I think Painter had a good game for him, while Manning had a pretty bad game by his standard).

I for one will use a subjective measure instead of the stats. My eyes told me that Painter played a decent game and that he has been improving each time he plays. He is becoming what we drafted him for, a potential backup QB and future trade bait.

by kasey_junk on Aug 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

It seems he is.

I wonder how Painter would’ve looked against GB’s ones.

Cookie Cookie Cookie starts with C!

by willyduer on Aug 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how he would've done with the Colts' ones around him.

The whole ones vs. twos argument only backs up my claim about the stats. The stats in a preseason game are nearly meaningless. They offer no context as to the play of the QB.

In this case (which is rare for me) I’d rather see a subjective argument against Painter. My argument is that his first drive showed confidence, command of the offense and good decision making. Things that he was lacking in previous appearances, so he is getting better.

Therefore he did not hurt his chances of making the team, he helped them.

by kasey_junk on Aug 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he is one of those fans whose thought process is a bit different than some of us...

but regardless, good thing is they are entitled to their opinions and us ours….. bad thing is, none of these matter… hahaahhaaaa….
Probably Polian is thinking…. what a bunch of XXXXX……. like last year…..

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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

I don’t like snap decisions and the gnashing of teeth we fans exhibit so many times. I really don’t like the armchair GMing. I especially hate the amateur analysis.

Last year in the off season we deemed it the height of stupidity for Caldwell to be using Charlie Johnson instead of Ugoh. This year we can’t wait to have him back even though Ugoh has looked alright.

Our collective record for deciding these things is really really bad. While the Colts collective record is really really good. Have all the opinions you want, just don’t take yourself so seriously.

by kasey_junk on Aug 28, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hear, hear.

A rec for you, then.

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by linkish on Aug 30, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Painters Fumbles

I blame that on Adrian Martinez. Those were some bad snaps.

by metal_militia on Aug 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

oh

and you said Curtis never lead the Colts on a TD drive? his first drive was for a TD. That pick? That one was clearly on the receiver who deflected it off his hands. and no, it wasnt behind him, it was on the money

by metal_militia on Aug 27, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandstater had a TD too and .... can ANYONE tell me how many days he has been with the Colts??

and how many snaps he had taken so far?? he made plays out of nothing by escaping and running…. geez!!! are you all blind?? I am frustrated….

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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brandstater

had one TD drive against the niners, since then he has done nothing. Against buffalo, he was putrid

by metal_militia on Aug 28, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is NOT putrid... how many plays did he do out that? 3 snaps???????

he was ONLY thrown in the last 2min of the game after Hiller stunk it up……… 1 in-completion…… he was crumbled by pass rush due to OL… instead of going down, he escaped and made 1st down…..center messed up the snaps (oh, i think Painter had a few more). OMG! and we are talking about football here…. Geez!! Oh, and we have to give Painter ALLLLLL the time he needs… are you for real?

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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

btw....

it is better if you just tell me you like Painter better than Brandstater…. again, as you obviously do not understand logic and my comments above. If so, there is no discussion.

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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I was at the game, and even on the sideline as the two players practiced snaps, the ball was shooting past Painter. Cardinal rule of botched snaps: if the ball drops, QB fault. If the ball shoots through the qb’s legs, C fault.

by hoosierstudent on Aug 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like your logo picture

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

2nd chance

Look, Roby muffed a punt a few years ago but look at him now,he’s a solid returner for the Saints.

I don’t like James, I don’t see the speed everyone said he had.

Fisher showed what he can do when given the chance, Fisher can be a solid returner, Colts, in my opinion, have not given him many chances. James on the other hand has had the most chances of everyone and has proven nothing.

Moore gets the kick return job, with fisher getting the punt return job. That’s how this story should end.

Plus, James has no value, all he can do is return kicks. Fisher can be a valuable CB, and Moore can be a valuable RB also.

by gteare28 on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

And

Fisher has been just as terrible as the rest of the Colts secondary in these 3 games so that doesn’t hurt him either. He can serve two purposes….DB and returner.

James has no other purpose other than returner so he needs to EXCEL at it and so far he is coming up short unfortunately.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you were right about Roby?

After you were wrong, because he was cut? That’s some convoluted logic.

And Moala was not impressive. He didn’t hurt himself or anything, but he did not play well. He got pushed around pretty good out there. Didn’t do much. The team is obviously much better with Mookie out there.

by Collin McCollough on Aug 27, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Painter

I think he looked alright. It seems like people’s opinions of a player never change for the good. He did have a horrible game, but since then he’s done okay when you consider the line he’s behind and the receivers he’s throwing to. Taj Smith and Painter are working well together…I think that is because they have worked more with each other in practice.

I’m just saying…if the unspeakable happens, we might not have an ace in the hole like Tom Brady was for New England, but we do have a backup QB with some potential.

Go Blue!

by LaserRocketArm on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

see my Yogo comments above...

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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Painter is improving

He still isn’t very good and isn’t even close to being an NFL quality starting QB though.

If Painter had to be the starter, this team would lose every game, just like it would have with Sorgi. But we already know that so no need to kid ourselves.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey......

I think that James, Moore and Fisher can all be serviceable returners…..the player that scares me the most is is DONALD BROWN…..he hasn’t shown me anything in the pre-season. Heck I was hoping that we drafted LeSean “Shady” McCoy….(from my hometown, Harrisburg, PA). Brown looks a little tenative and stiff. He just doesn’t seem to be an instinctive runner….you know, the kind that does things that you just can’t coach……I hope and pray that I’m wrong. Either way, we have to re-sign Addai. Brown hasn’t given us any reason to believe that he can supplant Addai this year or next year. Heck, Jarvaris James has more MOJO than Brown………

by 33rd Street on Aug 27, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking on Donald Brown,

were you saying the same of Addai in 2008 when he was running behind a line that couldn’t open holes?

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by linkish on Aug 30, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh!!!!!!!!

for the record, Painter is a BUM…………….Sooner or later we’ve got to get serious about a backup QB. Manning has been an “iron man” but he’s only human………..

by 33rd Street on Aug 27, 2010 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

ha... i don't think Painter is any good (see comments above)... BUT still would like to know why you said

he is a BUM?? personal experience? insider knowledge??

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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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