Oh, great! Umpire move "definite", according to Kuharsky's source
Paul reveals an email from an NFL spokesman (Michael Signora):
"The movement of the umpire to the offensive backfield will happen in the regular-season. We continue to analyze and review the impact of the change in the preseason, and we may announce some tweaks to the mechanics of the position prior to the regular season, but the move is a definite."
Bull. This is utter bulls***.
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Oh, you mean the anti-Colts rule?
I’d like to know exactly how they’re going to tweak it. To me it seems like they pulled the rug out from under the teams who use the hurry up offense.
I really don’t like ANYTHING Goodell has done lately, from an 18 game season, to moving the pro-bowl, to this new twist.
The hurry up is one of most inovative strategies to happen in the NFL. It makes for exciting offensive football. And isn’t that what sells tickets?
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
i agree football has been helped immensely by the trend toward hurry-up offense
and this is killing it. No more basketball on grass.
Football, famously paraphrased, is the American passtime that best incorporates what we enjoy, “violence punctuated by meetings.” Then we discovered violence on the fly was so much more fun and effective. Things got much more exciting with the sugar huddle and the return to days of players calling plays on the field (within parameters). There are, audibles on every play rather than just executing a program called in by a coordinator in a booth. Colts fans can no longer make a dash to the fridge between plays. We stay glued because you never know when the what will happen.
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
Does anyone think Colts offense can adjust to this, or will they be hampered all season?
And what about home games. Will the refs in Indy give Peyton a little slack?
Im going to repeat this again since you still havent gotten it through your heads
its not the positioning of the umpire thats the problem, its having to wait for a signal from the line judge that is
It doesn't matter whether it's the positioning or a signal,
It still stinks!
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
im not saying the rule doesnt suck
what i am saying is that that you shouldnt be too quick to want this rule out. Im fine with protecting the refs by putting them in the offensive backfield.
To make this rule work, the refs should do two things, 1) hustle to the line and spot the ball quickly. Running five yards isn’t difficult. 2) When the ball is spotted and the players are set, Manning shouldn’t have to wait for a signal from the line judge.
You have to understand the mechanics of the rule before you just through out “oh this rule sucks through it out:”. When you understand the problem, only then can you find a solution
by metal_militia on Aug 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming I don't understand the mechanics of the rule.
I DO understand the rule. And my solution is get younger and more athletic refs for starters, if they’re going to keep the rule as it stood last night.
If the refs can’t keep up with athletes and their strategies, then get rid of them.
Also let them wear pads.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
But what I'd really like is to not have the rule in the first place.
I personally don’t think we need it.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
the umps wouldn't need full-on football pads
just give them a thin chest/torso protector and a lacrosse helmet – these wouldn’t obstruct their view very much nor slow them down.
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
You're missing the point
The positioning of the umpire is behind “the deepest player in the backfield”. That means that the line judge isn’t going to be giving that signal for quite a period of time after the spot, and that’s even if the umpire hustles back. Look at the formations where Peyton is under center and Addai or Brown is a few yards back in the backfield; how far does the official have to go before the line judge judges him to be clear of the play?
Yes, it IS the positioning of the umpire that is the heart of the problem. The line judge’s signaling is only a component of the problem. And on top of that, as a practical matter, there were plays where you did not see the umpire hustle out of the way after the spot. So not only do you have a problem in the concept, you have a problem in execution of the concept.
I am sympathetic with the notion of protecting the umpires, but that can be accomplished by putting the guy in pads. If the NFL doesn’t want to do that, then give someone else spotting responsibilities and let the umpire continuously trail everybody in the offensive backfield. But he must GET OUT OF THE WAY OF THE OFFENSE EXECUTING THE PLAY. The LJ won’t give the clear until the umpire is out of there, and the umpire being in there is completely the root cause of the problem. There wouldn’t be an issue of waiting for the LJ’s signal if there was no need to clear the umpire out of the way.
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I wish I could be as articulate as you are. You said everything I wanted to say, only better.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
And you said how well EMH said that much better than i could have. You good!
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
I'm embarrassed... blushing even...
On a more serious note: I’m not trying to pick a fight with metal_militia, who I like. It’s just that the mechanics can become a distraction to the crux of the problem. Again, I’m totally sympathetic to the need to protect the umpire. He’s in a dangerous spot, and NFL players hit hard. A glancing blow’s enough to mess the average guy up. But that said, unless they’re going to reassign spotting duties, then the umpire’s positioning is the root cause of the problem. They can eliminate the side judge’s involvement completely, but if the umpire lollygags just once at the wrong time, it can adversely affect a play and perhaps a game.
Either the NFL keeps the umpire completely back at all times – which of course raises the question of who the heck’s supposed to spot the ball (the referee is already in the offensive backfield, the lineman and line judge is too far off to the side, and the back, side, and field judges are way back behind the secondary) – or they pad him up and put him back where he was. If neither happens, they just forced hurry up teams to huddle each play, and that suddenly removes diversity from the game.
Blech… I can argue till I’m blue in the face, but I fear that the NFL’s simply going to have to hear a season’s worth of complaints before they do anything about this. It’s obvious that the league’s attitude is that teams must adjust.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
an unintended consequence of this may be fewer holding penalties
i’m no expert on the responsibilities of the umpire, line judge, referee, etc., as in whom the watch during the play and what they’re supposed to call. But it stands to reason to me that, if both the ref and ump are behind the OL, they’re both going to see more of the OL’s backs and less of their hands. So if an OL gets his hand around to the back of the DL’s jersey, there’s no zebra there to see it.
Hmm, is that why GB didn’t pick up any holding penalties on Dwight and Robert?
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
Freeney's jersey was freaking torn apart on the left side as you can see from the film....
it had to be blatant holding to create that hole…. and “NO CALLS”, even once, on Freeney being held…..
/shakes head
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by Manning4ever on Aug 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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