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Peter King of SI does a good job exposing the NFL's idiocy for implementing the new umpire placement rule that seems to kill no-huddle offenses like the Colts, Saints, and Patriots. For those of you who have been living under a rock for the last few weeks:

The umpire traditionally was the official who most often spotted the ball, then scurried back about five yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage to watch the play unfold. But last year, keeping with the recent tradition of physical plays against the ump because he was the center of a bunch of offensive crossing routes, there were approximately 100 collisions between players and umps. Three of those resulted in concussions. One resulted in an umpire needing shoulder surgery, and another ump need knee surgery after being knocked down.

Now, I didn't write much on this rule change during the off-season and preseason because I trusted the league's judgment on this. They said it was a safety issue for the umpires. Too many umps were getting run over and, supposedly, 'injured' during games when they were positioned behind the d-line at the snap of the ball.

However, as King astutely points out, the umps will return to their old position behind the d-line after the two minute warning for the second and fourth quarters of a game. Well, if the reasoning for moving the umps is 'safety,' why move them back in the danger zone after the two minute warning?

Star-divide

The NFL has created one way of ump-positioning for 56 minutes and one way for the final two minutes of each half. In a way, the league is saying, We're concerned about umpire safety, but we're still going to allow 10 or 12 plays a game, on average, to be snapped with the umps in harm's way. "It's like you saying to your kids, 'Don't touch that!' '' said Manning. "Then you say, 'Well, you can touch it a couple of times.' '' The league's trying to straddle the fine line of not affecting the game too much with the health of officials. It's a tough call.

It's not a tough call. It's a moronic one. If the issue is safety, they should move the ump from behind the d-line and have another official place the football. If the league does not want to affect the game too much, keep the ump where he was and give him pads and a helmet. Or, here's a novel option, get tougher and better conditioned umps instead of these old, fat, part-time lawyers who move with all the speed and hustle of a turtle on Quaaludes.

Shouldn't the umpires now be the ones in the best physical condition, not the biggest men on the crew? I think if the league sticks with the ump behind the offense, the physical dimensions of the umpire will be altered with a nod toward a guy who can run all day. "I worry about the umpires' conditioning,'' said Indy GM Bill Polian, also a Competition Committee member. And from being on the phone about this since Thursday night, he's not the only one who worried that the current average-sized umpire is not the ideal physical specimen to be doing the job the way it's defined now.

It's important to note that Polian voted for this rule change as member of the NFL's powerful Competition Committee, which means he bears part of the responsibility for this disastrous outcome. According to Peter King, what Polian is saying now is that, because the rule change is resulting in a 5-yard 'false start-snap infringement' penalty, it has become something he did not intend it to become.

This is a cop out by Polian.

Rules do not mean anything unless they are enforced by penalties. He knows this, or, at least, he should know this. Break a rule, pay a penalty. Without the basic tenet that there will be a consequence to a rule violation, the rule itself is no longer a rule. It's a guideline.

Why is the "false start -- snap infringement'' penalty even called? Why not simply just do the play over? [NFL vice president of officiating Carl Johnson] said if there was no penalty in place, then there'd be nothing to stop a quarterback from hustling to snap the ball on the edge of the rules. If the passer knew he'd be able to do the play over regardless, then why not try to play hurry-up?

Just a complete a total screw-up by the NFL and its decision-makers. The only way to fix it is to simply go back to the way things were. Anything less is just more incompetent mismanagement. If this rule was in place last season, the Colts would not have been able to make their amazing comeback against the Patriots at Lucas Oil Stadium. That game was, arguably, the Game of the Year for 2009.

Peter King: Manning, Colts worry new NFL rule will have negative consequences

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the two-minute caveat tells you the league KNEW it would slow the pace down

by the way, Polian “bears,” not ’bares," responsibility.

"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.

by zherebyonki on Aug 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks grammar cop

Bill Polian ‘baring’ anything would be scary.

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by Brad Wells on Aug 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Polian bared his soul to me once

And now I bear the scars…

Anyway, I think I need a shower (or brain transplant) after agreeing even mildly with Peter King.

…now where’s the nearest Starbucks….?

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by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Recced

:)

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by Brad Wells on Aug 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

So that’s two things I agree with you on re: Polian (the baring and the cop out bit)! Don’t let anyone ever tell you I disagree with you every time!

You touched on something by mentioning part-time lawyers. Could this be one of the steps that finally leads to the officials being hired as full timers?

With the way Goodell is pushing expansion of everything and treating this like a giant corporation first and foremost, it would fit right in with his goals.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't get my hopes up

Could you imagine a passel of 30-50 year old former players, workouts and moonlighting (teaching? HS coaching?) in the off season, then nothing but football all season?

Fully-focused and fit? Dare I dream?

I’m not saying the current refs are bad—it’s a horribly difficult job. But I think there’s a lot of room for improvement, and full-time gigs would be a big start IMO.

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by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it won't mean replacing the current ones...

it’ll just mean paying them more to focus all the time. Better quality control, better fitness, better rule knowledge (we hope).

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give the officials helmets and mouthguards and lightly padded shirts

You’d think that with that many hits and the increasing number of concussions among their ranks, these men would WANT to get into better shape to at least be able to move out of the way of the action more quickly.

Bill Polian is a smart man. I would have thought he would have consulted with his star QB or his coach before voting for this rule change, or that someone on the competition committee would have thought through the consequences more thoroughly before implementing ANY rule change. I mean this is the bread and butter of the Colts’ offense that would affect every single game they play and also manage to piss off Manning big-time in the process.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

To boot, the Colts love the pick play

The placement of the umpire not only helped with pace of play for the Colts, but served as an impediment in a defender’s way on a crossing pattern. Collie, Clark and Wayne used the umpire regularly in getting open or getting an extra step on the defender.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 30, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh

when the Colts run the pick, it normally involves a cross between two receivers to force two defenders to run with one guy or run into the bump the defender covering one of the receivers to get free. Im not saying Collie of other Colts receivers haven’t used the ump for a pick play before, however that isn’t manning’s primary concern. His concern is all about the no huddle offense.

by metal_militia on Aug 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another concern Peyton had was with the 5 yd. penality,

in the red zone because of the new rule. In his post game interview he said he thought he should have been given a warning, or just call the play dead and have a do over.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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by Indy Lori on Aug 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do-Over

i love it when he talks technical like that

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by teej813 on Aug 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peyton's audible

Hot Sauce! Hot Sauce! 43, Oatmeal. C-16! C-16! Biscuits and Gravy… no. Wait, made a mistake. Let’s have a do-over….

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by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh... awesome.

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by teej813 on Aug 30, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Patriots

with Welker, took advantage of the ump’s positioning in that manner too but the league can’t make teams not do it. Plenty of players have run into them at some point, effectively killing a down in the process.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

Give the umps safety equipment and move them back behind the d-line. Doesn’t the home plate umpire in baseball wear a chest protector and facemask?

by Reds_Colts1975 on Aug 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me fix that for you

Give the officials helmets and mouthguards and lightly padded shirts skirts.

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Aug 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL, Bree’s and the fans didn’t like it either, did they?

by Ufanforreal on Aug 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

not at all

It is a big shit sandwich and it looks like we all have to take a bite.

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Aug 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This rule is ridiculous.

The NFL is going to become as slow as MLB before it’s all said and done. Get Practice Squad players to spot the ball during the game.

by Ensuing on Aug 30, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

heck, they coiuld borrow the adolescent ball-froggers from the world of professional tennis

those little waterbugs could spot the ball and scamper off faster than any phlegmatic ump could make it 15 yards behind scrimmage.

"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.

by zherebyonki on Aug 30, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

there you go!! Great idea!!

seems like the NFL committees are so above everybody that they forgot about being smart…..

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by Manning4ever on Aug 30, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, Manning4ever, did you see that ...

The Star’s “Getting to Know” feature interviewed your favorite hottie, Tom Brandstater. It wasn’t as interesting as Cloherty’s, and he kinda comes off a little shallow, talking about golf, but he does mention growing out his hair to look like Painter. You better hurry and intervene!

"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.

by zherebyonki on Aug 31, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow... thank you for the heads-up!

a link would even be better…… :)
hahaha…. demand demand demand….what women won’t do….
thanks seriously and i will go check it out “NOW”!!

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by Manning4ever on Aug 31, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry no link -- not super tech-savvy -- don't even know how to do basic smiley!

"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.

by zherebyonki on Aug 31, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok, read it... i always thought the "getting to know" series is a bit short.....

maybe they edit a lot out….. Guess the series focuses on free agents or waiver claims….
and I sure hope he doesn’t grow his hair out like Painter…. his hair is dark and Painter blond. Maybe he read this blog and decides to have some fun….
With all due respect, i don’t think he is shallow talking about golf and not politics like Cloherty did….. (well, you know I am GONNA defend him anyway….) And i blame p wilson for pushing it in the Cloherty interview. As stated before, the article is sports related and discussing one’s political views is a bit off-target. However, the series is also about individual players so I believe that makes the question less inappropriate. Most of the time, i found myself really not caring about my favorite players’ political views and most of the time, I don’t know about them. I simply want to know if they are good people……
Anyway, thanks for the tip! Hope they have pictures… !! :)
I am hoping they Brandstater will be around for me to ogle when Peyton is not playing in those meaningless quarters or games…..

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by Manning4ever on Aug 31, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

P Dub does ok with "Getting to Know" ... if only I could ask the questions....

They used to ask what’s your favorite book, or what are your reading now, and that sometimes game insights (once it was a video game cheatbook. Someone else said Camus).

I don’t think Wilson beat up old Cloherty too bad. Im sure I’d be far more annoying. I’d like to see them ask stuff like:
Who’s your best friend on the team, and why?
What’s the best advice you’ve ever gotten?
If you weren’t gifted to play football, what would you be doing?
What advice do you have for the majority of kids going to college who are nonathletes?

For a big guy I’d ask, “We all expect heroics on the field. When was the last time you had to use your size and strength off the field to help someone or avoid danger?” I’d ask the speedy guy when has being fast ever gotten him out of a jam. And so on. (Like when Hoops had to use his nonexistent basketball skills to rig a yacht in One Crazy Summer.)

Then there’s wacky stuff like
If you were an animal, what would you be?
If you could time-travel, when would you go?
If you could invite any 5 people to a dinner whom would you invite?

Now, Phil, if you use any of these, I expect complimentary home-delivery of the Star for a year.

"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.

by zherebyonki on Aug 31, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I LOVE your questions.....

all great and interesting… I hope Phil W is reading it…. :)

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by Manning4ever on Sep 1, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soooo

Yeah this rule is a crock of sh*t. I’m sure Peyton and Polian are not the only ones complaining. It’s gonna mess with the “hurry up” offenses and yes, it needs to be changed. Although it shouldn’t, this rule is going to be a huge distraction during the game. Terrible, terrible rule!

by MsJLove on Aug 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Get over it

The NFL probably won’t admit that it is a bad rule, but GET OVER IT!!! Everyone has to play under the same rules. The Colts cry about everything it gets old and they lose so much respect from true football fans. They cried about their recievers being roughed up against the pats in the early 2000’s now this. Maybe if they played outside they would be a tougher team. Just deal with it ponies

by g7on on Aug 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m a Colts fan and I don’t have any problem with the rule. The problem is that the rule is not uniformly applied. Teams that get the “under 2:00” possessions in a game gain an unfair advantage since they CAN run the hurry-up, tire out the defense, use the umpire as a pick, and score. On one hand you can say that clock management now becomes more important as teams REALLY want those under 2:00 possessions. Unfortunately, the rule itself impedes clock management as teams can EXTEND the length of their drives but not SHORTEN them…

by _-*JUICE*-_ on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just karma really Polian complains about the Pats DB’s and gets a rule passed that really impacts how the Pats defend now he gets a rule passed that really impacts the Colts hahaha

by g7on on Aug 30, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

shut up

you people are all idiots.

1) the rule already existed
2) the competition committee unanimously supported re-emphaszing the enforcement of it
3) Polian is but one person on the committee
4) the CC’s influence is limited entirely to making recommendations; things still have to go through the usual channels before being enacted

You morons always overstate Polian’s influence on the CC and the CC’s influence on the game. It just makes you look stupid.

Yes, because of the circumstances, in which there was blatant mugging over and over and over, it looked like sour grapes. But if it was just a guy whining, the complaint wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. He was right and everyone agreed.

And then the 2004 Patriots took it to the Colts again with the proper enforcement. Which is fine, and perhaps the best response.

That you fucking babies are still whining about something that didn’t even actually happen now 7 years later is really pathetic, though.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

willyduer

Do you mind if I use this in future debates on this subject? You stated far better than I ever could.

by Ufanforreal on Aug 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go nuts

Polian is a lot more visible than everyone else, by his own choice, so he deserves a good deal of backlash and criticism.

But Pats fans have NO right to complain. The Krafts lead the league – by far – in after-the-fact complaining and whining like children. They’re just quieter about it. So it gets under my skin when Pats fans always cling to misinformed “the crybaby Colts changed the rules!” crap seven years later. They need to shut up.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy

is a professed Jets fan:

Training Camp You ever think that the parking lot is full because everyone in unemployed? Gotta feel for the Colts player, they probably hate playing in that boring hick state where there are no jobs. A smart person would open a tissue factory for Peyton and Billy P and get those people some work…. Go Jets!

No need to bash the Pats on his account.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 30, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we can bash them just for ourselves, right?

Just checking.

We’ll knee him in his virtual jollies (or lack thereof) on his own merits. (or lack thereof)

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bash away.

Oh and if you want to bash the Pats, go ahead it’s your site. Just don’t do on this guy’s account.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 30, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I have no problem taking abuse, but being collateral damage when someone else is the target—that’s just pointless.

good luck this year.

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by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

To you also.

At least until the war of 18-12. ;-)

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 30, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey.... i thought u quit the blogs..... or am i having an illusion???

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by Manning4ever on Aug 30, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stopped cold turkey for a month (I was addicted) and have started back but at a much, much reduced rate.

I didn’t think I would be back at all, but so far I’ve kept things under control.

I’m going to be scarce for the next couple weeks, so I can get some stuff done.

Thanks for asking, though.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 30, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well then Welcome Back!!

I understand how these blogs can be addictive…but i have tons of mitigating errands and things to do so it has not gotten out of hands yet… guess finding something else you “need” to do or “love” to do may help….
/blah blah blah…. i talk too much…. haha…
again… welcome back!

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by Manning4ever on Aug 31, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

New York Giants

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by bamock on Aug 31, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Define "true" football fans.

Oh wait, you probably can’t. That would mean you’ve have to use your brain instead of just mouthing off on a COLTS web site.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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by Indy Lori on Aug 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish this site had an edit button, meant to say you'd not you've.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Aug 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Maybe if they played outside they would be a tougher team” Well that can’t be look at the Jest.

by Ufanforreal on Aug 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

would love to see Peyton play in the most AFC east in the Meadowlands/Buffalo/Foxboro 3 times a year not to mention the miami hot weather & hurricanes

by g7on on Aug 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they did that would just put the Jest as bottom feeders for life.

by Ufanforreal on Aug 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're aware that the Colts did play in the AFC East for years and years, right?

The won the division in 1999 with a 13-3 record and were 10-6 the next year. Playing in those locations. With Manning at QB.

Idiot.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Willyduer

You’re the fucking man, man.

by etid5353 on Aug 30, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You left out the torrential rain SB win they had in Miami

Drat that inclement weather!

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by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you get when you have Rex Grossman & 11 Colts players? A Indy Super Bowl. Colts won’t ever beat a top QB in a Super Bowl.

by g7on on Aug 31, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what's your excuse for the last Jets SB back in 1968?

They faced a backup QB who missed a wide open receiver in the EZ. Nice win.

So keep bragging about that one, why dontcha?

In 2007 the Colts spotted the Bears 7 pts on the opening kick (horrible decision to kick to Hester, which they corrected thereafter), faced the NFL’s top D, and the “finesse passing team” still managed a pretty convincing win in the torrential rain. Must all be Grossman’s fault. He allowed the Colts to rack up about 180 yards rushing. he left Wayne un-covered for a 55 yard bomb.

But wait, the Bears play OUTDOORS in the elements, not only at home, but at Lambeau as well. Jeez, they couldn’t handle the wind and rain but the “soft dome team” could? You better start a new line of reasoning before your next semester at clown college starts.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 31, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

So you think it make Peyton more of a man if he didn't play in Indy?

You have a cave man mentality.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Aug 30, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How old are you? 13?

Seriously, go the fuck away. Your trolling is unneeded.

And show some fucking respect – it’s called GIANTS stadium thanks.

by etid5353 on Aug 30, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding? Mr. Manning (to you, little butthead) grew up in New Orleans. It's HOT
And I remember, occasionally there are hurricanes in that region. But, as ActionOxford stated, football is not played during hurricanes.

by coltsfoot85 on Aug 30, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The striking part of the article is this:

The ump doesn’t HAVE to spot the ball at all. In the past, he did it because he was the closest guy. So get another guy closer, or have a ballboy or someone sprint on and off the field. Platoon em, you’ve got the money. The line judge does the spotting anyway.

by slash196 on Aug 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Either get someone else to spot the ball or get a ref who can bust ass all game. I’m sure you can find someone that can do that.

by ActionOxford on Aug 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

recently retired players may be interested.

by Ufanforreal on Aug 30, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said it before

and I’ll say it again. I’LL put pads on and run my butt out there to spot the ball. I may not look fast, but if you threaten me with 22 big, angry men, I’d bust my chops to get out of the way.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 30, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you have knee issues?

We’d hate to lose you….

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

but I still could out-run some of those umps

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 30, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha... awesome.

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by teej813 on Aug 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is

from Goodell through Dee Smith to the officials, they are all stupid. Common sense is like the devil to them. They likely won’t admit (they never do), they failed with this rule.

by Ty46 on Aug 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Goodell isn't stupid.

I truly mean that.

I do think his priorities are far too often misplaced, though.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm missing something

But why must it take so much longer for the ump to get in position behind the O than the D? He needs to get behind the deepest offensive player, which isn’t more than 2-3 yards deeper than where they lined up behind the defense. If offensive players are getting in the way, teach them to leave a gap for the ump to run through when they approach the line. Just have one of the guards stand behind the tackle until the ump passes.

And why do they need to signal that the ump is clear? The offense isn’t going to be able to steer the defense into the ump, so any collision probably takes out an offensive player – likely the one whose getting the ball. Let the offense snap the ball once its placed and the offense figure out a way to make sure the ump is out of the way. Maybe have the tailback shout “clear” when the ump passes him.

Basic point is that there are ways to make this change with less impact on the hurry-up offense. I’ll bet both the league and the Colts will be making such adjustments.

by ex-Viking fan on Aug 30, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

EXACTLY

And ultimately I think this is what’ll happen.

Let him spot it and take 3-4 steps back and then backpedal. The offense is free to snap it whenever they please, knowing that:

a) snapping while the backpedaling umpire is to the left of the offensive backfield obviously indicates that the play is not going to be a run in that direction

b) if anyone on either team does contact him before a set point (7 yards back?), it’s going to harm the offense with either a penalty or a botched play that doesn’t get redone.

Not hard.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about that

but then thought that maybe they didn’t want anyone (including the ump) in motion right before the snap

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by Marima on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then

the only solution is to use the technology the networks use to move the stupid annoying floating camera around to allow the ball spotter guy to hover above the field, come down and spot it, and be magically whisked 30 feet upward the instant the ball is spotted.

Or hell, just make it a giant moving claw that spots it, controlled via joystick, like those arcade games with the stuffed animals.

Problem solved.

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by willyduer on Aug 30, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT!

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 30, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

why are you an ex-viking fan?

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 30, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I moved to Indianapolis

And figured there wasn’t much point in continuing to root for a team with persistent character issues just because I lived in Minnesota for a few years when I was a kid. Especially since they had a new coach and owner and seemed to be pretty much cleaning out everyone I’d been rooting for anyway.

Much better to root for the classy and successful team in my new (and hopefully permanent) hometown.

by ex-Viking fan on Aug 31, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

The NFL needs to take a leaf or two from FIFA and declare the minimum fitness rule for referees of the game and also set the retirement age to 50. I’m sure that will whip the refs into shape or they can get Pierluigi Collina as their fitness coach.

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by rangerover76 on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm thinking of hockey refs

Those guys are the Ginger Rogers (skating backwards) of refs—not sure of their fitness, but damn, they do shit most people can’t. Whereas NFL refs kind of jog a lot. Some might sprint….

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by Bobman on Aug 30, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha

i respect hockey refs. i’d rather line up in the defensive backfield for a quarter like an old-fashioned ump that spend a period on the ice with that mayhem around me.

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by zherebyonki on Aug 30, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very True

Besides hockey players FIGHT and the refs get in the middle of melee to issue timeouts (don’t watch too much hockey so don’t know the technical term).

Interesting article

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27082010/58/champions-league-collina-lead-super-refs.html

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by rangerover76 on Aug 30, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

the picture of that soccer ref is hilarious!

Is that the same guy from Mad Max the Road Warrior, or is it the lead singer of Midnight Oil? (Am I dating myself?)

I wish the NFL would get serious like soccer about officials’ fitness. Sadly I don’t think that officiating in the Beautiful Game will improve until there’s more than one zebra on the pitch and they find a way to discourage fakery.

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by zherebyonki on Aug 31, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The NFL makes how many billions $ every year? There is technology that

surely could be used to spot the ball. Laser line, camera, whatever. Is there really a need to have a ref come and physically place the ball. Let someone on one of the teams do it. As long as the spot is already marked, there could be no cheating.

by coltsfoot85 on Aug 30, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Have the waterboy spot the ball.

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by bamock on Aug 30, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

of course

c’mon, we want to have our cake and eat it, too!

Mmmm…. cake….

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 31, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Solution to the Rule

More Double Reverse that use the backfield UMPs as Picks. or when a team is up big more ‘Double Pass’ Plays

Manning Lines up under center. Eyes the Defense. Takes the Snap..Manning 6 yards deep & Reggie drops 3 yards Manning to Reggie. OH NO! The Ref just got Hit right in the ear with the ball…The humanity!

by sandtiger812 on Aug 31, 2010 5:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I can just hear the play by play

It’s a sweep, no a reverse, oh my! a double-reverse—you don’t see many of th— HOLY CRAP! A triple reverse! Mannig now has the ball is running left and the entire D was sucked in and is on the right side of the field in hot pursuit. Wait, Jeff Saturday just picked up the referee as a human shield and threw him at the pursuing D, taking out six men like bowling pins…. There’s probably a fine in there somewhere for old Jeff, but I suspect Peyton will foot the bill.

Speaking of Peyton, he just ran it in from 87 yards out. he looks a little tired, and well he should, having run that play six times in this half alone…. The teams calls it the “That’ll Teach Roger Play”… not exactly sure why.

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by Bobman on Aug 31, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

oh dear Bobman... you are just too funny.....

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