2010 Colts Roster Cuts: 23 Players Released, Including Blair White, Javarris James
by Brad Wells on Sep 4, 2010 9:59 PM EDT
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PrintPhil Wilson has the final roster cuts for the 2010 Indianapolis Colts. They are as follows:
The players waived were DE Ervin Baldwin, QB Tom Brandstater, DE John Chick, TE Colin Cloherty, DT Marlon Favorite, DB Ray Fisher, WR Sam Giguere, DB Danny Gorrer, DB Ashton Hall, WR Brandon James, RB Javarris James, DB-Terrail Lambert, OT Chris Marinelli, C Adrian Martinez, DB Mike Newton, RB Allen Patrick, DB Glenn Sharpe, DB Terrell Skinner, WR Taj Smith, OT Adam Terry, LB Vuna Tuihalamaka, WR Blair White and OT James Williams.
Some of the players released were expected. Some weren't. I guess the NFL.com page was indeed current and Blair White is released. That's unfortunate. It also means that Keyunta Dawson and Brandon King retained spots on the active 53-man roster even though both did virtually nothing in preseason.
We've already talked about Curtis Painter. Tom Brandstater outplayed him. Anyone who says otherwise has vision problems. Yet, Brandstater was still cut. Makes no sense, but whatever. The Colts simply don't care what anyone thinks.
Phil Wilson suggests the Colts did not enter camp or preseason with an open mind as to who the back-up QB would be, which kind of runs counter to the 'everyone has a chance' mantra they like to toss around. Obviously, I question this mindset. Hence my suggestion that 'pride' is the reason Curtis Painter is still the back-up even though he is clearly an inferior quarterback to Tom Brandstater (and just about everyone else in this league). The Colts like to say their decisions are based solely on sound football reasoning. With this decision, that was not the case.
Some positives are that players like Ricardo Mathews, Devin Moore, Mitch King, and Jeff Linkenbach earned roster spots.
Obviously, anything can happen between now and Week One, especially if the Colts look to sign some players released by other teams. Tomorrow, the club will begin forming their practice squad, which will likely consistent of some of the players released today.
While I question the choice of back-up quarterback (Painter is garbage) and reserve defenders like Keyunta 'useless defensive end' Dawson, you know your team is good when the two things you are complaining about are back-up QB and third string defensive end. Sure, there are concerns on the o-line, but all-in-all this is a better roster than the one that opened 2009. Hard to get truly upset about that.
Go Colts!
[UPDATE]: John Chick is headed to the Colts practice squad.
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They cut everyone...
I voted not sure… because I obviously have no idea
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
Maybe no one stood out on the O-line backups
It just tells me that no one stood out on the O-line w.r.t backups that they needed more time to evaluate them with our injuries, I guess, and kept more than usual.
Only upset about one cut
because he could make a difference.
Brandon James.
I'm not sure either
I would’ve liked if they cut Gijon and kept Blair White. Wouldn’t have minded if they kept Brandon James either.
John Chick apparently is going to he practice squad...ed.
John Chick, cut by #Colts, is headed to Indy’s practice roster. Christmas hasn’t come early, #Riders fans. No return to @sskroughriders #CFL
#Riders offered Chick big contract to return to #CFL &refuse prax roster offer by #Colts. Smart by Chick& agent Tim Fleiszer to stay in #NFL
http://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/23021202969
http://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/23021889404
No idea who he is, but he seems to know what’s what when it comes the CFL.
good
honestly, the biggest surprise to me was cutting him and keeping Dawson.
And Gijon. I think 100% of us expected him to go.
Cookie Cookie Cookie starts with C!
Totally agree about Chick - and I hope it's true
Gijon, I kind of understand. He has more experience than Cloherty.
Thanks
Thanks for this update.
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I like how you insult me with every post about brandstater
Anyone who says otherwise has vision problems.
Those of us who thought Painter looked better have vision problems (or are kow towing to Polian’s giant ego).
What are your qualifications again BBS?
Call it like I see it Kasey
And those of you who thought Painter looked better are clearly in the minority. Sorry, but I’m not here to sugar coat. Painter’s awful, and there’s little justification for him being on the Colts roster. The only people defending it are those who seem to have total blind allegiance to Jim Caldwell’s and his decisions.
Maybe you are an exception, but I’m not one of those people.
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My only theory is that Painter has a good quarterback IQ and provides good insight from the sidelines. In the horrific scenario of Manning going down, I don’t think anyone expects this team to move forward with Painter, Brandstater, Sorgi, etc. taking snaps behind Saturday. I think we all think they’d go for an experienced vet, not these eternal backups, and Painter is being kept around to hold a clipboard and be Peyton’s consultant on his perspective of the defense from the sidelines.
by strootster on Sep 4, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a big reach
However, at this point, it’s the only reason (other than pride on Polian’s part) that I can agree with.
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I don't see how it could be pride
It’s not like Polian hasn’t cut other draft picks that he raved about. Look at the 4th round DT last year (I can’t even remember his name now). Polian had no problem cutting him even though he represented the “new look” Polian was raving about.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Sep 5, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Painter is black mailing the Colts
What does this man have on the team?… Is Mr. Polian cross dress in his spare time? Does Caldwell owe him for saving his life at one point? I don’t get it… Commish please check on this one, something’s fishy here!
by Dann Giszewski on Sep 5, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Seconded.
I understand BBS wants to say something critical, and he’s on the cusp of a legitimate point about cutting Brandstater. At the very least least the guy’s earned a 3rd string position (cut Gijon or Dawson for space), and I agree that he simply looked and felt like he was more confident and poised. He feels like he’s more experienced, and that he’s doing more playing than overthinking and outsmarting himself (As opposed to Painter, who reminds me of a guy in a dark alley who suddenly sees a flashlight shone on him: He’s just got that expression 
). But all that aside… the problem is, ascribing the Brandstater cut to “pride” is nothing more than unsupported opinion. Brad’s got the right to hold it, I don’t argue that, but the fact of the matter is that there’s no foundation for it. It’s just Brad being cynical about Polian.
The fact of the matter is that they see something in Painter. Maybe it’s upside; maybe it’s reads. Maybe it’s what he shows in practices and team meetings to demonstrate that he’s got a grasp of how to analyze defenses. I don’t know. Regardless, they see something. And they’ve been saying it all along. What it is, I don’t know, but they see it. And they’ve been right far more than they’ve been wrong, so I cut Polian large amounts of slack in regards to personnel choice. And think about it: We do have to admit that Brandstater was facing far inferior opponents than Curtis was. On top of that, we should let the past inform us: Rremember that last year it was Painter who got our attention and looked better than the then #2 (Sorgi). We now know why: When you’re facing guys who’re pretty much cut material, you’re not going to look as bad as when you’re facing starters and their immediate backups.It’s sort of the same problem we have in properly analyzing college QB’s suitability for the pros: They’re not facing NFL caliber starters when we see them.
We need to remember that we’re not seeing everything, and we don’t have any context beyond seeing them in preseason games. We also have to admit that it is very possible to fool ourselves; again, this time last year we were clamoring for Sorgi to go and Painter to be elevated. Which we got. The past can be a guide to illuminate the shortfalls of our thinking.
So, do I agree that Painter should be the backup? Tell you the truth, no. I’d ditch both him and Brandstater and see if Jeff Garcia’s willing to play a backup role instead of toiling in the UFL. But that said, the Colts do see something that I don’t, they’ve gotten it right more than I have, and in a cold-hearted, bottom line business, I simply do not see the keeping of Painter as being “pride”. That’s exciting editorializing, and garners attention, but ultimately, it’s unproven. It’s far more reasonable to presume that the reasons are more complex than simple pride in not admitting a mistake, and more probably due to factors we’re simply not privvy to, since we only see the team for around 3 hours a week, and not every day for several hours. That’s a more logical position to hold.
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by E.M.H. on Sep 5, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not disagreeing
but why is Painter being tagged with superior football IQ? Brandstater can’t be an intellectual slouch as he picked up the playbook pretty quickly.
It’s what I have to convince myself to help me sleep at night.
by strootster on Sep 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
I didn’t know I needed ‘qualifications’ in order to have an opinion about the football team I love.
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It's not your opinion about the football team that bothers people.
Anyone who says otherwise has vision problems.
It’s your opinion about other people that bothers people.
Nice change of subject
Since you know NOTHING about football, it speaks to your childish character that insults to the character and integrity of the team you are supposed to be a fan of.
Where do YOU get off insulting Polian, Painter, and anyone who disagrees with you?
As far as “qualifications” go, maybe you should start with not being that idiot out there who rages against things he cannot understand.
How much you understand a subject should determine how strongly you express your opinions. It is obvious that self-involvement is what drives you.
by censorshipiswrong on Sep 5, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
we are in the minority of unqualified stampede blue commenters
But I’m oddly in the majority when it comes to people whose opinion matters on roster decisions. Please give me one reason to believe the “pride” argument. Is there a single quote from a coach, employee, etc. who says they had to make this decision based on anything other than football reasons? Any other decisions the Colts have made to support your pride supposition? I could just as easily argue that Painter got the job because he was secretly related to Polian, that doesn’t make it true.
As for Painter’s ability, I’m willing to concede he is a less than good backup. My whole point is if the choice is between Brandstater and Painter, I’ll choose Painter. He looked better to me. Shockingly enough, even though I know close to nothing about football. The pros agree with me.
If you want to write an opinion piece that says that the Colts should spend more time, money, etc. on Peyton’s backup by all means, I’m all in with you. That is nowhere near the same thing as saying that Brandstater is a better backup than Painter or that Polian has stopped being professional and is requiring his coaches to make decisions for his ego, which is what you allege.
As for Caldwell allegiance, I think you could have spent the entire off season questioning his in game play calling for the Super Bowl and had a worthwhile series, The decision to kick that field goal should haunt him the rest of his days.
As for qualifications, the reason you need them is that you expect me to take your word that my own vision is bad, because of what exactly? Your ability to pick roster spots? Where did you stand on the Sorgi v Painter debate last year? What about the Charlie Johnson v Ugoh debate?
Have some self respect. Admit that other people with equal qualification to you (i.e. nothing) can disagree.
Nobody's asking you to sugarcoat...
…just stop being a jerk.
by taipei_coltsfan on Sep 5, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He can't
This is who he is. He is just another PFT Floridiot who just happens to be in Indiana. A leopard cannot change his spots – this kid cannot stop defaming other people.
Thats it…
by censorshipiswrong on Sep 5, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no allegiance to Caldwell whatsoever
(I won’t say the same about Polian)
But I gave you 6 simple reasons that make perfect sense about that decision. While I don’t disagree that it puts me in the minority, nor did I even argue for Painter over Brandstater… it certainly opens the door towards plenty of possible reasons why it’s a logical decision and NOT blind allegiance.
It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong too, of course. But it’s certainly possible that one of those six is right. Which would make it not such a dumb decision after all.
I think if you were as diplomatic about it in the main posts as you were in the comment replies, there wouldn’t be such an uproar.
(Then again, I recognize the benefits, in general, of uproars.)
ROAR.
Cookie Cookie Cookie starts with C!
IMHO
It really doesn’t matter who we kept between Brandy or CP. If the Colts refuse to carry an experienced backup, we can lose game 16 with either guy.
You feel so strongly about this, you posted it twice! ;)
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
In all seriousness
I agree that it doesn’t matter if Manning goes down for the season, but the reaason I’d want a better backup than Painter is for cases short of that. What if Peyton’s only knocked silly for a game? Or even a half? That one game won or lost might determine playoff seeding or homefield advantage. Or, in the playoffs, might be the difference between just barely squeaking by to move onto the next game, or jsut kissing it all goodbye when he goes down.
That’s why I still think it’s important to have a good quality backup. Yes, if Manning goes down for the season, forget it. It’s game over at that point. Might as well go single wing and direct-snap to the halfback in that case; at least Indy would be saving on the cost of a QB’s paycheck. But for cases less than that, I’d really like to see a QB who’s not nearly a liability.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Agree 100%
I don’t really like Brandstater all that much. He couldn’t handle a freaking snap half the time. BUT what I did like about him was that he seemed to have the field presense of at least a college QB. Painter looks lost on the field. Like Sorgi, all Painter can throw is a quick slant, a not horrible go route down the sideline and can make a garbage throw 30% of the time he is flushed from the pocket.
But, unlike just about any other backup QB in the NFL, Painter does not give the Colts a chance to win a game. If Manning was injured for 3 games or less, the Colts (with Painter) would be 0-3 and likely it would cost them playoff positioning or a playoff spot in general.
That said, I hope Polian knows this and if it came to it, he would sign any other QB off the street as needed and Painter would understand his true role as clipboard holder and Gatorade getter.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
They'd be 0-3 with Brandstater too
Everyone’s going “crazy” about the kid but he can’t take snaps and at least two of the TDs he threw in game 4 would have been picks against decent corners.
Painter’s looked better to me, because he’s played worse against much better opposition. All Brandstater’s proven is that he can get lucky against players just as bad as he is.
by eltharion_doa on Sep 5, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
They both suck IMO. That’s why I think Polian would sign someone off the street if Manning had to sit out a couple games.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Exactly
They both suck IMO. That’s why I think Polian would sign someone off the street if Manning had to sit out a couple games.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I believe this myself
Keep in mind my post was a general one about the Colts backup QB position. It wasn’t a statement advocating Brandstater’s elevation above Painter. To be blunt, I think he might look a bit better losing – Painter makes some seriously roookie mistakes, like staring down receivers, plus his field “presence” is simply not there – but I don’t see him winning.
And yes, some of his passes were successful because he was throwing against players who might not even make the practice squad. That must be kept in mind.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
My Vote for Practice squad
QB Tom Brandstater
DE John Chick
TE Colin Cloherty
WR Brandon James
WR Blair White
Can probably add Fisher, Favorite, and maybe Vuna to that list if (big ‘if’ in the cases of White, James, and Fisher) they clear waivers, plus at least one o-lineman.
by strootster on Sep 4, 2010 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me fix that
QB Tom Brandstater
DE John Chick
TE Colin Cloherty
WR Brandon RB Javaris James
WR Blair White
much better
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i like that practice squad, if you change James for another DB
either Ray Fischer, Mike Newton or Terrail Lambert. Id loved Brandon James in the preseason, but Blair White is a superior wideout. Im not sure why we wouldnt keep an additiona DB on the PS. That appears to be the biggest weaknessm besides oline on the team. So, if we are able to keep an additional DB with some versitility it would justify a PS spot.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
i almost forgot
An additional olineman would be a welcome addition to the ps. Im wondering why we need another TE? It seems a safe assumption that the ps should be filled with potential backups on weak areas of the team, OLIneman and DB
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
4 WRs?
I thought Blair White played well enough to warrant the 5th WR spot. Apparently there isn’t a 5th WR spot.
exactly. 2nd year in a row they've only carried 4 WR.
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
And we all know how well that worked out for us.
We got to the SB. Where our midseason replacement WR botched the one time he actually got to touch the ball. I can’t disagree with not carrying 5 WR, because ours are so good, but man we really got burnt last year by idiotic pig fat hands.
by ActionOxford on Sep 5, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
We've got enough DTs and LBs to put Ruth's Chris out of biz...
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
yeah, i thought they were trying to get bigger on the offensive side of the ball....
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
Also random
Anyone think Linkenbach has the tools to challenge the likes of Kyle Devan for his spot down the road, this season? He kind of ate ate shit early, but came on the last couple of preseason games. He’s bigger than Devan… He could be… great white buffalo…. greatwhitebuffalo
…greatwhitebuffalo
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
I'm glad fans are passionate enough to care about this stuff...
But I find it funny when fans get so upset about guys getting cut that would either a) be later cut anyway as the 52nd or 53rd man on the roster in favor of a waiver wire signing or b) be a gameday inactive anyway.
by Collin McCollough on Sep 4, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Idk about that...
I think if Blair White were retained he would be active and see the field in some formations.
Reggie and Dallas dont want to share
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
by naptown_ninja on Sep 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I mean I like Blair White. I’m disappointed he got cut but he’d basically would have been injury insurance and a special teamer. In any formation who would you take off the field for him. In a 4 wide would you take Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzo, or even Dallas Clark (who is more than capable of splitting out wide) off the field? In 5 wide would you Clark or Addai off the field as both often line up out wide in empty back field sets?
"I found that if you have a goal, that you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed. And I gotta tell ya... it feels phenomenal."- Peter La Fleur
Exactly
A special teamer. A hands guy…..the type of guy that wouldn’t facemask fumble an onside kick in the Super Bowl….
I didn’t love Blair White, but you can’t understate the value of a smart football player that knows how to catch a ball.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Oh believe me I don't.
Like I said I was disappointed he was cut. I was hoping he would make the team. I was simply arguing the playing time thing. I can be disappointed in a decision but still understand it and this happens to be one of those cases. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up on the team though after injuries and other things completely sort out the roster.
"I found that if you have a goal, that you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed. And I gotta tell ya... it feels phenomenal."- Peter La Fleur
Yeah
He definitely wouldn’t get any playing time….he would be a special teamer and that’s about it.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
What formation?
He would be WR5. The Colts almost always keep an RB and a TE on the field. It would be rare enough for Wayne, Garcon, Collie and Gonzo to be on the field at the same time, and no way White would then get on the field with them over Clark or Addai. The only other option you could be referring to is goal-line situations…and come on, he’s not a 6-5 power forward who can jump out of the gym. He’s a hard-working guy and that’s it.
If the top four WRs are healthy, WR5 doesn’t see a down with the offense.
by Collin McCollough on Sep 4, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
?? They didn't think enough of him to keep him
but you think he’d be active on game day if they did?
Let’s get him on the PS before we have him on the active roster.
Is he on our PS?
Is he on our PS yet? Just wishing :-)
Good Luck On That.
Blair is a talent that will be discovered by another team that’s receiver needy. Colts made a bone head move by letting this guy go. I usually trust the moves the team makes but, this year they have their heads so far up their butts no one see it. So disappointed! If he doesn’t somehow get picked up by someone else my jaw will hit the floor.
by Dann Giszewski on Sep 4, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
I’m sure Polian will be kicking himself when Peyton is throwing to Wayne, Garcon, Clark, Collie, Gonzo, Addai and Eldridge over White.
by Collin McCollough on Sep 4, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I get your point but..
let hope no ones get injured and all we got left to pick up is a hank baskett
Baskett was picked up mainly for STs
My jaw won’t drop if White clears waivers.
Does anyone know if the WR from the Giants (Cruz?) made the team?
Tamme makes the difference this year
Has anyone considered the fact that the combination of Eldridge getting some receptions and Tamme’s possible improvement over the years was finally going to result in more 2 TE formations that a 5th WR suddenly was a bigger luxury than before?
Plus, they obviously needed help with personnel on the O-line with CJ & Saturday banged up plus CB corp with Powers banged up.
Even if they had an injury like last year...
…If DC was the only receiving TE, a 5th WR becoming a 4th WR by virtue of injury would have been important. But with Tamme being a 2nd receiving TE that they expect to see playing time (I remember DC saying that it takes TEs 3 years approximately to learn all their responsibilities), the receiving TE options go up thus reducing the need for receiving WR options.
I had not thought of that before and was vouching for Blair White primarily on the injury insurance front. But now that I am realizing Tamme is part of the new equation, it all makes sense.
So
all they need to do now is sign a half-competent backup Guard or another CB for depth and release Honey Gijon who is worthless.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
My thoughts
Dawson not playing against Cincy should have been a sign that he was making it, I guess. Maybe teams called the Colts about him and they decided it was safer to expose Chick/Baldwin to waivers. We’ll never know in that case.
Maybe they’re figuring on doing a lot of 2 TE early in season with OL issues. Having the top 4 WR they have made quantity at the position expendible.
Obviously a safety move is coming. When there are only 3 and one is named Bob Sanders???? King could move possibly. He seemed slow for CB in games, but we know that that what sticks out in our eyes means nothing to Colt management. see Grady, Adrian
I actually like that Cody Glenn and a seventh LB made it. He Conner, Humber, and Angerer should make ST coverage units stronger than last year’s.
Lastly, it will be a fluid next 48 hours. Have to believe more moves coming.
Smart post
won’t surprise me if an LB is cut for a free agent… but even if not, there’s logic behind the composition in general.
I feel good for Key even though in the long run I can’t help but wonder if taking the risk on a different end might’ve had higher upside. But there’s value in a guy with several years in the system, under the coach, with a low salary. Can’t really argue with that.
Cookie Cookie Cookie starts with C!
One starter that I thought should be cut
Gijon Robinson.
One 2nd string that should be cut; Painter.
One 3rd string that should be cut; Kavell Conner
One 4th string that should be cut: Recardo Matthews.
Mistakes were made.
Should be there:
Curtis Painter over Tom Brandstater – Don’t ever plan on Painter to close out a game and anyone with thoughts of a perfect season… your dreams were just crushed.
Gijon Robinson vs. Anyone Else – Can you smell a cut coming once everyone else puts the final touches on their rosters.
Dawson over Chick/Baldwin – This was a joke, shame no one is laughing though
Blair White Cut – What did this guy have to do to make the roster?…Play like Andre Johnson. This hurts to see, I wanted him to be the 5th receiver. No way he’ll be around for PS another team will grab him fast.
Brandon James – Better see his name on the PS.
Shouldn’t be there:
Mike Pollak – This guy should have been cut. He’s been given every opportunity in the world.
Cody Glenn – Didn’t see enough out of from this kid to warrant a spot on the team.
You just compared...
Blair White to Andre Johnson. Somewhere, a kitten died.
by Collin McCollough on Sep 4, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, no...
I was asking what this guy need to do to prove his worth. He has potential as a rookie but, by no means was that a comparison.
by Dann Giszewski on Sep 4, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
About waivers - anyone know?
If a player clears waivers he becomes a FA and the team that signs him can assign him to their PS.
But if a team claims a guy who has been waved – do they have to put him on their active roster? I know that’s true about a player on PS, if another team claims him they have to put him on their active roster.
my understanding
Is that no they do not have to put him on their active roster, they can put him on their practice squad. But this means nothing because other teams can recruit from the practice squad.
Unlike baseball, the waiver system means very little in the NFL.
So, hypothetically...
Say a team picks up White and puts him on their PS. If the Colts REALLY wanted him, they could claim him, but they’d have to put him on their active roster.
That should make everyone sleep easier.
Practice squad means exactly that...
You work practices for a team. If another team likes your moves, you can be picked up by them the same day.
This recap seems to say that a claimed player
(from another team’s PS) must stay on the 53-man roster… http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/17429/a-review-of-practice-squad-rules
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
Six Corners Is That Normal?
Seems like that might be more than usual, but I’m unsure. Or was the trade made for Justin Tryon after the rosters were cut down? If so, I see no reason to keep Brandon King around. I’m sure someone will disagree but, his play looked sloppy and Tim Jennings like.
I think we had 6 last year
but we had a lot of injuries. And that’s counting Rushing.
Some think King will play S.
I'm Pissed even though we are better on paper.
First off, I like most am an avid die hard Colts fan. That being said, I have passionate views about our FO and some of the idiotic moves they make every year. This yr is no exception. Where shall I begin? Why not with the backup qb position. No matter what anyone says I believe the Colts blew the chance to improve the position. Painter sucks and Brandy showed WAY more promise and upside in a fraction of the time. Painter has shown form last yr to this year that he is a turnover machine that stares down his target with little pocket presence. Brandy in only 2 preseason games has done what Painter couldn’t…get the offense in the endzone consistently. Polian came in saying that Painter was entrenched as the number 2 and that what happened. Foolish of us fans to emotionally think that Big Red would see the truth for what it is and adapt…Uh no. Just when he got rid of Sorgi and we all collectively breathed a sigh of relief, he goes and finds Sorgi lite. Anyway, here’s what also gets my goat:
1). No Fisher or Brandon James to improve our return game – Clearly Fisher showed enough pop on kickoffs to see that this guy averaged abt 30 plus yards per return! That was a huge increaseover Simpson. DUH…James would have been nice but Fisher was the better choice and now word is Washington is interested in dude. DUMB MOVE. Moore is nice but if you notice, he is very small, and hesitant in the backfield on kickoffs. My guess is that Buffalo may have been an aberrration than a norm. Boy I hope i’m wrong.
2). Mike Hart over Baby J – Another blind bumb move. Baby J is developing a style much like Edge’s and you can see his potential. Hart is gutsy but limited. Baby J truly beat him out this yr. Bad Shake
3). No Blair White? Come on we need a 5th receiver and the guy clearly catches everything and will be an NFL receiver.
4). Dawson is in and Baldwin is out? Are you kidding me? Dawson is Casper on the gridiron..totally worthless. Baldwin crashes down on the run really well and has great backside pursuit. Blind loyalty here
5). No Marlon Favorite – Would love to have had the big guy around. Go back and look at this guy’s first step. He’s really quick. agile, and intelligent for a big man. Showed flashes agains Cincy and I think SF
6). Robinson – I wanted this guy gone ALMOST as bad as I wanted Painter gone. To keep all of these freakin tight ends make no sense. Why not cut Snow and just have Tamme be the long snapper? BP and JC always claim having guys do more than 1 thing..well come on.
7). I was surprised that Thomas made the cut this yr. Finally they see Pollack as a center (not bad as a lg either)
That’s all I got: I just hope the PS shapes up like this:
Ray Fisher
Javarris James
Blair White
Marlon Favorite
Tom Brandstetter
Adrian Martinez
John Chick
Terrell Lambert
Gijon
I am actually more upset that he made the team than with the Painter situation. I don’t see ANY upside with Gijon. He can’t block, he can’t catch and he’s very slow.
I also don’t understand why Jaime Thomas made the team. I am assuming they will release him as soon as they sign a guard that was released by another team.
And finally Dawson….makes no sense. He showed last year that he was ineffective and slow. Baldwin isn’t a world beater, but has some speed and shows signs of improvement when given a chance. I just hope that Dawson finds little playing time but I find that hard to believe because Freeney never plays all the snaps.
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There's definitely no upside
having Painter on the team. The guy is awful anyway you look at it. He is definitely not cut out for the pros.
Brad who?
Do you mean me?
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I can’t remember the last time I 100% totally agreed with someone’s post, for some reason I have a deep feeling in my gut that one of these players will find another team and do something that will come back and bite the Colts in the ass, especially Blair White & Ray Fisher.
take Adrian Martinez and Terrail Lambert off the PS list and I consider this season PS team a damn good one.
Wish Tony Dungy was still here.....
….I think his cuts this year would have looked a little different and better. I just don’t trust Caldwell anywhere near as much as I did Tony! I mean we have Clark, Eldrige, and Tamme, why keep Robinson? He’s shown is usefullness (or lack thereof) plenty of times already. Same for Dawson, just a waste of a roster spot. I agree with everybody who says Blair White is indeed a solid WR and would be worth having on the roster for instance just like the 2nd half kickoff in the Super Bowl. He’s the difference in getting that ball and hanging onto it and Hank juggling and losing it. This is the most I can ever remember questioning the Colts coaching staff and Polian ever. I do hope that this will all be petty stuff that in the end doesn’t matter, but you just never know. I’m still very excited and encouraged by our team and starters. I do agree it is better than last years team. Just could have been even a tad better…..
Oh and
Dungy would have been fair and picked the better player between Painter and Brandstater, whoever that may be. I believe it to be Brandstater but if Dungy had picked Painter, I still might not agree but I would feel better about it as I do trust Dungy’s judgement.
by MachoColtsFan on Sep 5, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Dungy made clear his mindset in his first book
In it, he talks about a situation in Tampa Bay with a suddenly underperforming kicker. It’s also covered at this ESPN link (which I believe was written before his book… folks, please correct me if I’m wrong). Dungy is on record as favoring loyalty over “what have you done for me lately”, and even with the Colts shown a preference for retaining players over replacing them. How else does anyone explain Gilbert Gardner’s tenure in Indianapolis?
At any rate, while it might indeed be the case that he’d elevate Brandstater over Painter, or cut in any other position, the fact remains that he’s very much of the mindset of retaining current players. I do believe he’d also have kept Painter. Ditto Dawson, who was actually here when he was. He’s openly stated this, and had consistently practiced what he preached for many, many years.
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Disagree
Dungy had people scratching their heads A LOT with his roster moves and with the players he gave the starting nod (265 lb Dawson as DT?) too.
Personally I was ready for Dungy to go but that’s another conversation.
Don’t forget we need some of these bigger players for special teams or else the entire special teams unit will be on IR by week 3.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
robinson has no place on this team, unless they really like him as a special teams player – eldridge is already a better blocker and receiver – there is no reason that gijon should see the field
overall i guess the colts figure they can get some of the younger guys on the roster – but he those veterans on weeks one of roster get guaranteed pay all year – so not really sure what colts were doing this year, they didn’t choose guys who earned it
i thought about a bunch of these moves again, and i think it comes down to special teams – even if several of these guys showed more at their primary positions, on special teams coverages and blocking assignments, which fans don’t pick up but coaches see, they went with the guys who they believe are the better special team players.
A slap in the face
Out of all the players I was hoping to make the 53 roster only 2 made it, yes only TWO. Unfortunately one of the players is on IR while the other (Pat Angerer) has shown good signs to an ailing LB Corps. Out all of the players cut today, Blair White was the biggest heartbreak, Ray Fisher showed some improvement to a flawed return game, Brandon James has potential to do many great things on a team weather its returning or playing WR.
But there’s always Practice Squad, IDC who makes the PS as long as the following players make it:
1). Blair White, I truly wont be shocked if another team signs him before Sept. 12 arrives.
2). Ray Fisher, has what the Colts have lacked for some time, a returner who can get the offense in good field position.
3). Brandon James, a player that filled with potential, displays the will to learn the game completely.
4). Vuna Tuihalamaka copied and pasted his last name, I fell in love with this guys closing speed and aggressiveness, a truly good LB in terms of run support
Umm
I’m assuming you are taking Manning, Wayne, Addai, Clark, Bethea, etc. out of this when you talk about players you want to see on the 53 man roster?
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Brandstater, Tuihalamaka and White
The players I thought the Colts should have kept , QB Tom Brandstater, LB Vuna Tuihalamaka, WR Blair White. Curtis Painter is a terrible Quarterback lets hope Peyton does not get injured what are the Colts playing at, a shame we didnt keep Vuna as we dont have a great LB corp and I think Blair White could have done a job.
Looking at the roster I am concerned about Tackle spots especially on defence, Cornerback and as always linebacking corp. I dont think our linebackers scare anyone and we will get the ball run on us again and again.
Go Colts..
If you are referring to Wheeler
then I agree with you….but Brackett is very underrated as he fits into this defense and Session is continuing to get better and better and has good power at the point of attack too. Brackett really improved last year in run defense and (solo) tackling ability IMO and Session is a pretty good coverage guy too.
Wheeler is below average and I think they can do a better job there.
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Painter is obviously better than Brandy
at the backup qb position for the Colts. Yes, we all know the team is mediocre at best no matter who is playing if Peyton goes down. The thing is, he never gets hurt.
Therefor, the number one job of the backup is to be able to learn a new system every week to mimic the opposing team’s qb in practice. That’s how Sorgi kept the job so long, he was never gonna win us a playoff game either, but by doing his REAL job, he helped our defense prepare every week. I guess the team thinks Painter is better at that, cuz it sure wasn’t performance on the field.
No help for the return game tho… i can’t even begin to come up with some bs to make that sound decent.
Devin Moore is our return man.
He was the best of the three trying out on both punts and kicks.
by ActionOxford on Sep 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Best quote of this entire garbage piece...
“The Colts simply don’t care what anyone thinks.”
LOL…..your darn right they don’t care what some blowhard on a fan blog thinks. They care about what THEY think. And THEY made their choices based upon far superior knowledge of this game and team.
Are you in High SChool? This is an honest question.
Thinkb4typing
I believe that philosophy even predates Bill Polian’s days with Colts. If we think back to the whole Trev Alberts draft pick, then look at Mel Kiper Jr. giving Bill Tobin the blues for not drafting Trent Dilfer. I am paraphrasing, but, Tobin said, “Mel Kiper Jr., Who the hell is Mel Kiper Jr.?”
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
biggest question to my mind:
why is gijon robinson still on this team?
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Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Too bad about White and Javarris James
White has precise route running skills and great hands, but I assumed his size and lack of speed did him in. He’s a hardworking guy, I hope someone takes a chance on him.
Tough break for Javarris. He actually had a solid preseason, but if he was going to make the team as the fourth RB, he had to flat out outplay Mike Hart to the point where it wasn’t even close. He played good, but Hart has regular season experience and has already proven he can handle being a 3rd down back. If he wasn’t better than Hart, the only way a 4th RB would be given a roster spot would be if they could return kicks/punts. Moore can. James can’t. Hopefully he gets a spot on PS and can be called on if needed (hopefully won’t be needed, though, knock on wood).
Biggest disappointments for me are Fisher and BJames. I think most, if not all, expected them to duke it out for the return man spot, and many of us even saw James as a potential Darren Sproles. Unfortunately, James struggled playing receiver, being that (a) he is very small, and (b) he has so-so hands. And that muffed punt was obviously a career killer. I still see him as someone who can provide big time burst for us and be a game changer down the road, he will just need to adjust to NFL level, and I hope he can. Hope he stays with team on PS. Fisher just disappointed me because he clearly did not impress in camp and while he did look great at times in preseason games, it may have been too little too late.
Congrats to the guys that made it.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Also, I know nothing is final
but if Ugoh is not starting LG next to CJ, then I am not going to be happy. Richard was beyond awful this preseason. Maybe it was just because he was playing center, and is better playing the guard spot, but something tells me that is not true. Ugoh is better. Also wouldn’t mind seeing McClendon work his way to starting RG.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
PERHAPS......
………just perhaps, BBS doesn’t like the Brandstater cut because it leaves Painter ( a former Boilermaker) on the roster, along with ANOTHER former Boilermaker, Brandon King (for now) instead of one of his IWho players. :)
My actual belief is that Painter serves multiple purposes for the Colts at this juncture:
a) Cheap
b) Smart football player who can add something in film breakdown and info during a game about opposing defenses that Peyton needs him to look for.
c) Just relishes his role as it stands.
d) Colts offense, no matter if a vet or unknown comes in for an injured Manning, is done.
really wish
they woulda kept brandon james but i kinda didnt see it comin. I was never big on Devin Moore but I trust {p;ian knows what he is doing! GO COLTS and that recieving core is nasty (baring injury)!!
COLTS FOOTBALL
At first I was kind of angry about the Colts cutting Blair White..
After all, I saw out of him what everyone else saw— he’s an intelligent possession receiver with professional-quality hands. He’ll almost certainly make a good contribution to any NFL team that gives him a shot.
But that’s just it— he’d be very unlikely to get a shot if he stayed on the active roster.
For all his talent, to get on the field, he has to somehow prove to be better than at least three of the following: Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzalez, Clark, Tamme, Eldridge, and Addai. Wayne/Garcon/Collie/Gonzalez are proven commodities at WR, and Clark/Tamme/Eldridge offer not just receiving talent, but versatility at TE.
…and, ultimately, I think that’s why White got cut— he’d be the fifth best WR on the team, and he couldn’t offer the blocking ability of the TEs.
Even Gijon Robinson, whom everyone can agree has inferior talent to White, can offer ST and in-line blocking ability to the team, and therein lies the reason why he made the team and White didn’t.
If one of our WRs goes down (knock on wood), I think that White would be the perfect player to bring in. For as long as that’s not the case, however, I cannot fault Polian for this decision.
For the time being, White just doesn’t offer enough utility to the team.
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