Q's and A's? The depth chart and 53 man roster.
by whardiek on Sep 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
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PrintEvery September Colts nation are glued to the waiver wire. Like clockwork, Bill Polian and company throw us a curveball. This year doesn't appear to be any different. There are many questions stemming from the final roster cuts and the subsequent depth chart. Last night, BBS posted the Phil Wilson confirmed 53 man roster, also included in the post was a depth chart. This depth chart was last updated 9-410 at 9:44 p.m. The 53 man roster is full of big names; Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Bob Sanders etc. But the roster isn't without questions. The proposed depth chart is also strong, we have the best QB in the game, the best group of wide recievers in the game, two of the best defensive ends in the league and the strongest group of safeties in the NFL. I am not Bill Polian, let's make no delusions otherwise. But, I have, at least in my own mind some legit questions. After the jump I will list the question then give my reasons for concern. Blue Stampede, be gentle, I have only posted a handfull of fan posts. lol
1) Tony Ugoh is listed as a back up LT and not even mentioned as a Guard.
From all the offseason rumblings, Ugoh was gonna be switched to LG and if he wasn't able to assimilate, he would be shown the door. The injury of Charlie Johnson forced the switch back to LT, but, now that Charlie is back in practice, Ugoh is still listed as a Tackle. Is this a typo? is Ugoh destined to be a back up again? or is he in the mix at LG?
2) Gijon Robinson is listed as Dallas Clarks back up and the starter at Fullback/H-Back.
From all indications, Robinson might not finish the season with the Colts. I thought the coaching staff was high on not just Jacob Tamme but Brody Eldridge as well. Brody, who was drafted for his blocking prowess, isn't even listed as a Full/ H-Back. Jacob Tamme is Mr. Versitility, not only is he a 3rd string TE, but, 2nd string at 4 other positions. Among them, Long Snapper, Holder, H-Back/Fullback and Punt Center. Gijon has never excited me, he actually scares the hell out of me everytime Peyton throws him the ball. Im saying, Brody can more then fill his duties as a blocker and Tamme can more then fill his duties as a reciever.
3) Jerry Hughes is listed as 5th string LDE and not even mentioned as a RDE.
I understand Hughes hasn't taken an official NFL snap yet but, we invested a 1st round pick on Hughes. The offseason talk revolved around Jerry's versitilty. The fact that he could back up both Mathis and Freeney. This depth chart is either incomplete of Hughes is a major dissapointment. Again, I spit out the mantra, I thought the coaching staff was high on Jerry Hughes?
4) Pat Angerer is the 3rd string MLB.
The play of Pat Angerer this preseason has be inspired and intense. The guy has been involved in it would seem like every play, when he is in the game. This kid flies all over the field with wreckless abandon. He reminds me of Bob Sanders at LB. I'm not trying to say he will ever be BS, just his intensity and nose for the ball are similar. Also, Pat isn't even listed as a back up at any of the other LB positions. Bill Polian spoke on draft day of Pat's versitilty, and how he believes Angerer could compete with Wheeler for a starting spot at WIL.
5) We have 6 DB's and only 3 Safeties on the 53.
I understand the DB's, but, Bob Sanders is injury prone. At the very least, if we are only gonna carry 3 S then we need to have a guy on the Practice Squad. 6 DB's may not be enough, if we have the injuries we have had in the past. I wasn't too thrilled before the season, but, now, I feel confident with our DB and the depth. Deshea Townsend was a good pick up.
6) Will this be the last year we see Justin Snow?
If you look close enough, it appears Jacob Tamme is gonna become the new Justin Snow. I know BP loves versitility, but, Snow is pigeon holed as a long snapper, punt snapper and special teams player. Tamme adds the ability to play TE, H-Back and Fullback as well as everything Snow does. I have a feeling, that this same time next year, we will see Jacob Tamme as the new Justin Snow.
Your thoughts are welcome. Like I said before, be gentle.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.
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Legit question about the 3 safeties
We have to assume someone will be picked up. I don’t see any way they start playing real games with only 3 safeties. No way.
As for how the players are listed depth-wise on the official team website, I wouldn’t worry too much about that. I think the mascot Blue types up that page.
Oddly enough
I have VERY strong feelings on Justin Snow. I have seen the negative impact of having a bad long snapper (in general, not specifically for the Colts), and I don’t think it’s unwise to reserve a roster spot for someone who makes few – if any – mistakes at such a critical position.
To wit, the long snapper has to be capable for field goals, and a bad snap could result in what amounts to a 10-point swing. He’s also the snapper on punts; again a bad snap could result in points for the defense, either via safety or TD.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Yeah, the long snapper has to come through
on EVERY punt and EVERY field goal. In other words, when you don’t get a touchdown, you need a long snapper, and he has to be good.
and Snow is one of the very best
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
and even when you do get a touchdown.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Snow is a a HELLUVAn athlete
He’s fast, strong, and a sure tackler. I don’t like to imagine breaking in a new guy at his position
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
by naptown_ninja on Sep 6, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
100% agreed.
When your long snapper is one of the first guys down the field, you ride his abilities as far as they take you. Same goes for when your punter can boom one sixty yards and then lay out the ball carrier.
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Regarding Jerry Hughes...
you’ve got to come down to Earth about the fact that rookie defensive ends rarely ever make serious, season-long contributions to a team. I think it’s been pointed out recently that Freeney didn’t get a start until halfway through his rookie season. Robert Mathis had all of 3.5 sacks in his rookie campaign. The kid’s gonna be just fine.
Also, you should look up the word “mantra.”
:P
Keep writing.
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Thanks for the constructive criticism
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
No prob, dude. You're doing your part to enrich the community.
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Kind words. I truly appreciate it. Thanks.
How many times do you the inverse on these forums? It’s nice to get some pointers and a fair shake. Im a newly inspired writer so it’s all taken in with a grain of salt. Thanks again.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Yeah, you watch people long enough,
you start to realise how much more they’re inclined to tear down than build up. I remember a quote from Manny Acta about how people like to boo instead of cheer; how people are so much more inclined to say “you suck” than “don’t worry, you’ll get ’em next time.”
That’s probably the biggest reason I don’t contribute to this site anymore with articles of my own: the tone.
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Well, I have only posted a handfull on here.
I have to admit, I see that in action all the time on Bloody Elbow. I follow MMA and NFL equally, and the vitriol over on BE is childish. It’s one thing to have an issue with a post, but, some people, try to tear you down. It’s frustrating, to say the least.
What did you think of the Practice Squad choices?
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I think that's why I don't care much for MMA, or at least the American brand of it.
Everybody that wants to get into the sport is a jagoff. I’m so goddamn sick of all the posturing and empty displays of testosterone. Every time I have to break up a fight at the bar I go to, it’s one of those assholes.
And it’s kind of a shame, because I love boxing and combat sports in general. I started watching UFC on their second PPV event, way before they even had weight classes. And hell, I really like some of the MMA that comes out of the far east, K-1 and such. It’s the culture that’s been created around it in this country that I cannot stand.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, there. The practise squad picks are solid. I haven’t investigated the three guys we poached from waivers, but it was pretty predictable that the first five guys landed there. Over all, I’m pleased.
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I was also a little confused about the LE situation.
It seems to me that most of the people listed under LE are actually DTs. I know they rotated through there, especially for goal line packages, but I feel they mostly belong behind Antonio Johnson, who, the depth chart currently states, is without backup. I think with the Colts for the most part, the first name on the depth chart is most important. It is a little up in the air who they substitute in after the first name.
Well, consider this:
how much does a depth chart really matter when you’ve got so many guys that move in and out of their positions?
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This
I got the feeling throughout preseason we knew who the starters were and everyone else is subject to some freak variant of bingo. Maybe we hired Rumsfeld to do our depth chart. There are known knowns and unknown knowns and unknown unknowns but i known this, Peyton Manning will start. The other 21 you know will start. Other than that I’ve borrowed a chile roaster filled with meatballs labeled appropriately and I trapped my neighbor’s ferret in there. Let’s get this party started.
Everybody always laughed at Rummy for that,
but if you’re even a little more than passingly familiar with classical philosophy, it makes perfect sense.
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i think you're right
our thick ends/light tackles like Foster, Dawson, and even Moala (they way they’ve been playing him sometimes) act like stout run-stopping LEs against the offense’s strongside on some plays depending on down&distance, and then slide inside on the likely passing plays.
I wouldn’t get excited that there’s no name after Mookie’s. There’ll be people to spell him.
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
My thoughts
Gijon Robinson never impressed me as a player, I can give him some props on his blocking but that is as far as I’ll go. Jacob Tamme is one of the most versatile players in the league at TE, God forbid if we lose D.Clark I wouldn’t mind having Tamme at TE
Charlie Johnson is one of my fav. players on the O-line, simply because if he’s matched with an elite Defensive Lineman he wont play sloppy or feel outmatched and tries to give it his all, not to mention he is one of the reasons Addai and Brown could get decent runs through the hole. Tony Ugoh is an alright guy, I can’t really vouch for him but I can’t say anything bad about him either.
Its to early to say but I feel Pat Angerer might be the 2nd best LB on the squad as of now (behind Brackett himself) for some strange reason I feel Mr. Angerer might be the LB that can surpass Gary Brackett as a the best LB on the team.
The CBs on the roster seems quite promising this year. Jerraud Powers impressed me alot last year going against elite WRs and handling his business and putting in major work. I see Deshea Townsend as more of a mentor role CB than a starter, but a nickleback than can make an impact as well.
But having 3 Safeties is a bad measure for us, as I feel Bob Sanders would most likely have another season-ending injury leaving Melvin Bullitt back on the field once again, I was hoping to see Jamie Silva getting some PT but was sadden to hear him on IR.
I saw where Tom Brandstater, Blair White, and Brandon James made the PS today and was quite happy to see their names, but I was hoping they can pick up Ray Fisher along also.
I never been so stoked and excited about Colts football season since 2006, and I see them during amazing things this year. GO COLTS
Session is the 2nd best backer on the team.
He may very well get a Pro-Bowl nod this year. If not, he’ll definitely be recognised as a major impact player. And don’t sleep on Wheeler; there are a few media types that think he’s primed for a breakout season.
Jerraud Powers is a bona fide first round talent. Maybe one of the biggest steals of the draft. Also, Townsend is the dime; Yung Lace is the nickel.
Go Colts indeed!
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THIS ^ (about Session)
I’m not as convinced about Wheeler; seems to make one great play then be completely out of position on the next. I’m pulling for him to have a big year to squelch the haters.
JP is a great find by n’Polian. If he can stay healthy, we’ll be calling him Pro-Bowl Corner Back Jerraud Powers very soon.
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
I thought it was kinda funny,
almost like Polian realised that even he himself had underestimated Powers in the slightest, given how little adjustment Jerraud had to make to the Pro game; I remember the quote in camp was something like, “he’s playing like he’s been in the league ten years.”
One of the things I remember Jerraud saying that made me think he was going to fit in just fine: somebody asked him what his greatest attribute was, and he responded it was his mind.
One more note about Wheeler… I got a chance two years in a row to watch him in person take over a game by going after Jimmy Clausen. I would love to see him get a chance to blitz a little bit during the course of the season.
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dude noone could replace clark
No way Angerer is even close to the skill level of brackett! stop drinkin the angerer kool-aid! Brackett will always be a starter!
Agree with the corners. Should be strong and have some promising backups to replace for injury purpose!
Safety i agree is bad news bears and Mike Newton was signed to the practice squad but I do believe the colts need a veteran signing in cause of sanders injury!
Hopefully Brandstater cracks the roster to replace painter! and hopefully james can crack the kr team on the roster at some point!
The colts should be very deep this year! CANT WAIT FOR SUNDAY!
GOOOOOOO COLTS!
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Angerer will surely supplant Brackett in another year or two or three (barring injuries)
just like Gary slowly wrested the job away from everyone’s beloved Rob Morris. We should hope for no less.
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
sarcasm, my friend. Didn't Rob change his middle name to "Whipping Boy"?
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
hmmmmm...
No way Angerer is even close to the skill level of brackett! stop drinkin the angerer kool-aid! Brackett will always be a starter!
Let’s take up this discussion in 2-4 years and see how you’ve changed your mind. When I watch Pat, i see a play who gets it, works hard, and has the physical tools. If he continues to improve and can stay healthy, he’ll be a star.
Careful what you wish for... "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, 38th US president
I agree^^
Pat seems to be a man amongst boys on the field. It seems like he was involved in every play the last two weeks. He has a nose for the ball and won’t come off the field in passing downs. I’m sold on him. Now, is he gonna take Gary’s job this year? No, I don’t think that will happen, but, he needs to be on the field. He is a playmaker. I remember Marlin Jacksons rookie year, the played him at safety. He was out of position, but needed to be on the field. I see Pat in the same light, and Wheeler appears to be the odd man out. Only time will tell, but, Phillip was very inconsistent last season. If he continues his inconsistent play, Pat Angerer could potentially fill his spot. That’s all I’m saying. Not to slam Wheeler, Brackett or Sessions; but Angerer is a talent. I’m excited we got him.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
agreed kid has ton of potentional
but were talking brackett here..I would love for angerer to be that good but In my mind its silly to compare a rookie whos only played well in preseason games and hasnt even gotten a chance to play when the games count to a pro bowl caliber, n8 year veteran who is our vocal leader on defense
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Thoughts........
It appears Jamey Richard currently has the job. I like Richard. He is a nice sized Guard for the NFL and seems to play with that trench mentality. Seems like everyone is disappointed in Ugoh and Pollak. Rightfully so, we drafted really high for 2 busted players.
Robinson will always stick out in my mind as the guy who whiffed on the block against the Chargers. (Hello?). He is going to have to do something really awesome this season to erase that memory. It appears the Colts are keeping him until Eldridge fully understands his role and the offense.
Hughes and Angerer still have a long way to go before they will be NFL ready. I am hoping this season will be a nice developmental year for the both of these guys. We need to keep our hopes high on these two since they were drafted to be the future leaders of our defense. I have really liked Angerer so far. But, we all knew what we were getting with him. He has a nose for the ball and will play at top speed until the whistle blows. The primary concern I noticed with him was his habit of continuing to over run the play. That will come with experience. I didn’t see a lot of Hughes. What I have seen so far has been a little disappointing. He just seems to get swallowed by a large OL. I think everyone had prematurely put him in the same category as Freeney and Mathis. Keep in mind both of these guys never, ever quit and will keep coming at your QB until they get him. I haven’t seen that mentality from Hughes yet.
I feel much, much better about our DB roster than I did a few months ago. It appears our fantastic 4 of Sanders, Bethea, Hayden and Powers will be ready to go next Sunday. This group is all about staying healthy. I am excited to see where they play Mel Bullitt. I loved that 4-2-5 we saw against GB with Bullitt on the field instead of Wheeler. Speed, Speed, Speed. This also allows Sanders to head hunt.
Justin Snow has been a staple for the Colts over the last decade. We just assume the ball is going to get snapped on all punts, FGs and EPs without a hitch. This guy stepped in and carved out a nice career within the Colts organization. It will be kind of sad to seem him go. I could see Kravitz writing one of his sappy, feel good tributes to him after he is gone. I still have cavities from his silly Jermaine O’Neal tribute a few years ago.
Another season, another defensive scapegoat
Ah, the great legacy of the Colts defensive whipping boy. There have been years where the race was tight. There was Rob Mathis and Gilbert Gardner, then a variety of DTs, then Jennings and Rushing. You can just see this year people are already picking their goats, like Wheeler and Dawson, and you can sense in the air that people are itching to scrutinize whoever’s the 4th/5th corner and the elusive 3rd safety.
But I say let everyone start with a clean slate. Let’s see how Keyunta has recovered from his injury, and whether Philip has matured into an effective SAM.
I think to be a proper whipping-boy you can’t be in your first year in the league or your first with the team if you’re still young. Takes a while to develop that particular love-to-hate relationship.
"To be a great football coach, you have to be smart enough to do it well, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Can't remember whom I am paraphrasing.
Well, now that there is a revised depth chart.
I noticed that Brody Eldridge passed Gijon for the starting H-Back/Fullback spot. Gonzo is the Punt Returner not Devin Moore. Brandon King is Antoine Bethea’s back up, and the log at DE has been cleaned up. Now, we actually have DT, depth. lol.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
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