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So Far, Jerry Hughes Was A Terrible Draft Pick For The Colts

Earlier in the 2010, we posed a question in an article to you readers: Is 2010 first round pick Jerry Hughes a 'bust' for the Indianapolis Colts? The article intent was to do what we always want to do here: Provide discussion. And in the case of Jerry Hughes, more than a few questions were lingering concerning his overall worth to the team. Of course, as was typical all season long, people freaked out and screamed 'HOW CAN YOU CALL HIM A BUST!' even though I didn't call him such. Now that the season is over, and cooler heads seem to be commenting here now, I re-pose the question:

Is Jerry Hughes a 'bust?'

Now, to provide additional context to this question, I offer up this little bit of knowledge from ESPN's Paul Kuharsky:

On Antonio Cromartie's 47-yard kickoff return Saturday night that helped set up the Jets’ winning drive, Jerry Hughes of the Colts had the first and best opportunity to get the defensive back down.

Hughes could have had Cromartie at the 15-yard line or so, but his effort seemed halfhearted and it didn’t take much for Cromartie to angle a bit more to his right and run right past the first man on kickoff coverage.

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For Hughes, who showed very little as a rookie first-round defensive end, it’s the most memorable (non-)play of the season and the second most memorable thing about him as a Colt.

If you listened to The Bill Polian Show last night, you heard the Colts president talk about how the game was lost on that kick return, and the reason Cromartie was able to make the return was a certain unnamed Colts player did not stay in his kickoff lane. 

In a season where Hughes signed a 5 year, $12 million dollar deal, he 'earned' that money by recording six total tackles, no sacks, and ending the season on a half-hearted effort on special teams.

Knowing this, we re-visit the question, is Jerry Hughes a 'bust'? Right now, for me personally, the answer is yes.

Star-divide

One thing I want to dismiss right off the bat is this notion that first round picks can be 'project players.'

Um, no.

You don't pay a guy $12 million so he can suck now but maybe be good a year or two from now. You draft a guy in the first round and pay him $12 million so that he can contribute now and become really good (or perhaps great) going forward. Anyone suggestion otherwise is making excuses or carrying water for the Colts. And for a team like the Colts, who routinely use rookies as starters all the time and only use the draft to replenish yearly talent loses, first rounders needing 'time to develop' is even more ridiculous. As Peyton Manning said last year:

That’s why we treat [rookies] all like veterans.

For Hughes, the excuses made for him are that 'pass rushers have steep learning curves.' This too is bunk considering that, as a rookie, Robert Mathis (5th Round, 2005) was a special teams demon in addition to recording 3.5 sacks. Raheem Brock (7th Round, 2002), started 6 games as a rookie and recorded a sack and 17 tackles. Hell, even Marcus Howard (5th Round, 2008) had 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble as a rookie. Howard was cut following his rookie season.

Hughes (1st Round, 2010): 6 tackles. No sacks. No forced fumbles. Bad special teams play.

Now, I'm all for players developing over time. But, a first round pick should not develop from 'he sucks' to 'he's kinda good.' He should already be good to begin with, and as he develops he becomes better. Right now, Jerry Hughes just plain sucks. I mean, we're not talking 'he's shows potential' bad. We're talking 'this guy really, REALLY sucks' kind of bad.

Consider further the two defensive ends drafted immediately after Hughes:

Jermaine Cunningham (2nd Round, 2010): 27 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FFs

Carlos Dunlap (2nd Round, 2010): 24 tackles, 9.5 sacks

This guys aren't even first rounders, and like all rookies they are still developing. However, unlike Hughes, not only do they cost less money as they develop, they are contributing right now.

Now, is it possible that Jerry Hughes could from year one to year two go from a 6 tackle 'bust' to a 24 tackle, 9.5 sack beast? Sure. But ask yourself, based on what you saw, especially in crunch time when it counted (...'his effort seemed halfhearted'...) do you see him doing that? Do you think the Colts see him doing that? If so, why didn't they play him more? It's not like the pass rush was anything spectacular the last month or so.

Let's say Hughes goes halfway, earning 12 tackles and 4.5 sacks in 2011. Is that still worth taking him in the first round in 2011? As Bill Polian told us, Hughes was not taken to replace Robert Mathis or Dwight Freeney. He was drafted to work with them. Here's Polian in April 2010:

Polian: We've been searching for the elusive 'third rusher' for a long time. And now we feel that [Hughes] can fill that bill.

Clearly, as the 2010 season showed us, Bill and co. were wrong. I mean, he even admitted so on the radio a few weeks ago.

For a 1.5 sack, 1 FF season in 2008, Marcus Howard was rewarded with a pink slip. What will Jerry Hughes be rewarded with after a 6 tackle season? Probably somewhere around $2.4 million dollars.

I sincerely hope Jerry Hughes improves as a player, but right now this was yet another awful first round draft selection by Bill Polian and the Colts personnel department. As the cries for change echo ever louder, history tells us that stubborn Bill will simply ignore all the obvious problems and do things 'his way' just to stick it to his critics. But, when you consider his last four first round picks, Bill needs to take a long, hard look at his draft evaluation process because, quite simply, the man has lost his edge.

I'll close this by saying I was VERY happy with the Hughes selection when it happened. However, the difference between a schmuck like me and a team president like Bill Polian is I'm not the one being paid millions of dollars to get these decisions right. And while hindsight is always 20/20, the reason ole Bill is paid all that money is because he has to demonstrate consistent foresight into how a player will develop. As we all know, people like Bill are more than happy to take credit for a player when the play of that player justifies his draft stock. In Bill's case, he practically flaunts it in the face of his critics.

But, when a guy doesn't pan out, somehow the excuse is 'hindsight is 20/20?' Sorry, but no.

The 2011 NFL Draft will be a very key event for Bill Polian. I cannot see how he retains his job if he busts yet another first rounder. I honestly can't.

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As I said in my article

Jerry Hughes can’t even contribute on special teams. He’s DETRIMENTAL on special teams. That’s bad, folks. If you’re going to draft a project player, he’d damn well better be able to at least contribute on special teams.

Writer for Stampede Blue.

by Collin McCollough on Jan 11, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark needed time to develop.

 I dont think you would have pulled the trigger on them this fast would you? Also, look at Aaron Rogers, he sat the bench for 3 – 4 seasons til he got a shot. Im not suggesting Jerry Hughes is in that category. I am however saying, patience. Be patient. Fili Miola and Mike Pollack were both in the same spot Jerry is in now. I believe Miola and Pollack will be long time starters.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Jan 11, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm patient,

but, his missed tackle on the kick-off return was a factor in us not getting a chance to move on in the playoffs. Who knows, he may have cost us a shot at the title this year.

by Ayrshire on Jan 11, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your frustration.

 I have to listen to a whole jobsite full of Bears fans giving me crap about the Colts. You know what? The Colts under achived and then after all the injuries were done, we over achieved. Now, if we had been a lot healthier going into the playoffs, yes be angry. The expectations going into this season were high. I thought we were better going into this season then we were last. When you see how hard we played down the stretch and Juxtapose it with the injuries. I am left with a good feeling. I am proud to be a Colts fan. Next season is promising. Think of the depth we developed this season. Now, Jerry Hughes was expected to play early. I wish he were able to assimilate the game faster. But who expected Pat Angerer, Kavell Conner or Ricardo Matthews to develop like they did? Then look at Brody Eldridge, Javarris James, Blair White, Jeff Linkenbach and the 3rd round pick from this year Kevin Thomas. We have some depth with game experience going into next season.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Jan 11, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm encouraged about next season.

Really, I am. But, the point I’m making is Hughes was a factor. That’s all. There were many factors, either isolated on their own possibly, or collectively together, that caused the loss. The frustrating part, is……that even with all the mistakes made in various areas, we STILL could have won, if just one of the mistakes was not made. If Caldwell didn’t call time-out, would we have won? It’s possible. If Hughes makes that tackle, would we have won? It’s possible. If Lacey plays defense, would we have won? If White makes that catch? etc. You get the idea. Regardless of all the injuries and how clueless the coaching staff is, it’s still an honor to get to watching Manning play. I just wanted it to continue a bit more, hopefully making it back to the big game. Even with the injuries, it wasn’t impossible to win it all. None of the teams are overwhelmingly good this year. Maybe the Patriots. But, we took our motley crew into Foxborough and almost won. Anything is possible. But, I do agree, the depth and experience factor has improved because of all this.

by Ayrshire on Jan 11, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything you said.

 That’s why it wasn’t as hard to lose this year. I know that sounds bad. I sort of expected an early bounce. Not that I didnt want us to win the Super Bowl.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Jan 13, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

True...

but Jerry Hughes wasn’t the only person on ST. There were a few defenders after Hughes that should have made a tackle. Even if the play happened the same but our defense created a turnover ST would still need to be looked at. With the way ST has been playing this whole year it leaves too much room for someone to make a return like that later in the future. This is weird to say but I’m glad we lost early on because if we made it to the Super Bowl and lost I don’t think many of us could stomach that. Jerry Hughes needs to do some work in the offseason and ST needs to be looked at and improved.

by Ovaltine Jenkins on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark played right away

They might not have been Pro Bowl caliber right away (actually Clark’s rookie season was really impressive until he got hurt), but at least they played. They contributed. There was a clear value to their roster spot.

Not saying Hughes CAN’T improve. He’s not a bust yet. But I can’t put any clear value on his roster spot this past year, and in a season where every roster spot was valuable, that’s a very bad thing. For him not to even be able to contribute on special teams, I think, is a major concern.

Writer for Stampede Blue.

by Collin McCollough on Jan 11, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Apples and Oranges

Reggie and Dallas played right away because there were open spots. Hughes has 2 Pro Bowlers in front of him.

Further, Hughes didn’t really contribute on ST because DEs usually don’t. Personally, I think he was drafted to ST because of all the injuries. Your typical STers are TEs, CBs, SSs, FSs, and LBs

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 11, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Mathis and Freeney did, Dawson does

Colts DEs do. And I’m tired of the “Freeney and Mathis were in front of him” argument. Hughes couldn’t even come in to relieve them. He was behind Keyunta Dawson, Eric Foster and even Philip Wheeler on the DE depth chart. That’s just bad.

Writer for Stampede Blue.

by Collin McCollough on Jan 11, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If Hughes were in his second or third year, I’d be concerned. But he’s not. He’s a rookie. You’ve got to give players time or you miss out on talented guys,

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 12, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Kuharsky did though

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by Brad Wells on Jan 11, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, like Kuharsky knows it all.

He might have been blaming it on Hughes, because he read stampedeblue. I’m almost sure, Hughes was blamed already two days ago.

by Ty46 on Jan 11, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So I'll say it

Hughes whiffed on ST coverage. I watched the replay several times. It’s painfully clear. Everything PK describes is completely, 100 percent accurate.

Writer for Stampede Blue.

by Collin McCollough on Jan 11, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Link

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81d8e9b4/Jets-Colts-highlights

Shuffle to the 5:40 mark. Hughes’ effort on the play is awful.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.

by Brad Wells on Jan 11, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw it

He had a guy draped around his ankles, and the split second where he was trying to get off him, he reached for Cromartie but it was too late. Was it half hearted? Yeah some, but its not like I hate this why am I here kind of thing. Tired to me, but it’s no escuse. Tripplet was the real culprit, then hughes.

by Candlebox on Jan 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Was he out of his lane?

Can’t deny Hughes wiffed it, but was he actually out of his lane? If he was first contact how could he be out of his lane. He’s supposed to tackle the guy or push him to a lane where another player is waiting on him. One comment from the BP show I thought interesting was when talking about Taj Smith, he said kick coverage was not his strength. Odd considering he was the one that pushed Cromartie out of bounds. Maybe Taj is not following directions? I’m curious if the punt block penalty was the result of his independent nature. With such a conservative gameplan from both teams, I doubt they call a punt block play, but thats pure speculation.

by GoColtsin2010! on Jan 12, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

all cromartie had to do take half a step to the right

That first step is what makes a good returner. It’s hardly ALL Jerry Hughes’ fault

by caldwellmotivatesME on Jan 12, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Good KR guys are good precisely because they make the first guy miss. Hughes was first guy; Hughes missed. And nobody has ever accused Cromartie of being a bad kick returner; he’s got a record 109 yard return TD to his name.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

…you were grittin on me after the draft and raving about the Hughes pick. I reckon you better stick with him now.

…apology accepted.

- Brian

by VaBthang4 on Jan 12, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

As was said in the article

I agree that jerry hughes is a bust. sure its his 1st year in the league and hes behind two pro bowl players but when called upon he did little. We needed an OT in that draft dont know why polian decided otherwise for this guy. Just doesnt make sense

by #18 to #44 on Jan 11, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

I like the term you used previously..

He’s ‘busting.’

He’s not there yet, but it hasn’t been a good year. Hopefully he can turn it around like Moala has done.

by Ben Savage on Jan 11, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Just wanted to say..

very good article.. well said really enjoyed it. maybe lets drop hughes and pick up marcus howard lol JUST KIDDING

by #18 to #44 on Jan 11, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Tripplett was the culprit

Hughes was not only in the right position….he was the first down field that had a chance to make a tackle. Therefore I don’t agree with the “half-hearted effort” statement, but I do agree that he has under achieved. Granted he wasn’t going to see much playing time to begin with behind Mathis and Freeney, and with our Run D struggling so mightily it’s understandable why they didn’t have him in on third down situations.

However, he failed to even catch my attention…let alone mesmerize me….on ST.

by LickerdKickr on Jan 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

As of now, absolutely a bust

I still find it hard to use the term after one season, just as we can’t call someone a raving success after just one season. But, there is absolutely nothing positive to take away from this season for Hughes. Even if we do say it’s okay to be a project player at #23, that’s in contrast to Polian’s expectation of him. So based on what Polian expected and promised of Hughes, he’s a bust…one who may have cost us a playoff game.

I still question whether Polian should be making draft picks this year at all, but yes, this is it for him. I love his late-round finds, but you see teams like NE reloading from higher picks and he has to catch fire in the 2011 for us to compete.

by cmbeck82 on Jan 11, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

NE recently had a good draft

But before that, they had very little in the last 3 years. They’ve cut their entire 07 draft, and I think 2 players left of 08. but w.e. Bili is a great drafting guy though right!!

by Candlebox on Jan 11, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the draft year

Some years the draft class is stacked with players who fit Belichick’s system. Some years it’s not. This year Belichick poached every Gator, Alabama and Rutgers player he could get his hands on – and unsurprisingly, he has strong coaching ties to the college programs of Florida, Alabama and Rutgers.

This year didn’t seem like an ideal year for Colts-like players. I’m not sure 2011 will be, either – there are a lot of stout 3-4 type defensive linemen and linebackers in the draft pool. Point being, it ebbs and flows.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

K seriously

Calias Campbell, Aaron Kampman, and Kyle Vanden Bosh are just a few examples of many D linemen who contributed very little in the first year, ended up becoming stars. Hughes hasn’t played a lot because there wasn’t a need. Let’s just be serious for two seconds here k? Mathis and Freeney own 3rd downs, that’s their spot where they shine. Hughes is the same way. He is a pass rusher, and doesn’t help a lot in run game. Neither do Freeney or Mathis. They are ok at times vs the run, but a lot of runs vs us are up the middle. By official stats, 0 sacks. But he made a huge pressure in the Bengals game and Angerer finished the QB off, so one sack, and also the Jags game. Hughes wasn’t playing a lot because he wasn’t starting. Why put in an unproven rookie in on meanigfull downs 3rd down specifically, unless one of our DE’s were gassed? That’s when he came in. The reason Howard had those sacks was in one game vs the Titans, last game of that year. He got pretty much all those stats in one meaningless games, against back ups. Brock got the sack because he played meaningfull downs, in a lot of games.

Not everyone is for special teams, usually not DEs. So what if he played sparingly on ST’s? We drafted him to be the heir to one of our DE’s, not a big time STer. The only reason any of those guys had stats, was because they played the majority of games. They didn’t have two pro bowl DEs in front of him to compete with for meaningfull downs. Tell me though, Saffold has played ok in my opinion. I saw him in 4 games, and allowed I think 4 sacks. None against elite DEs.

Just seriously man, stop with the Hughes thing. I respect your opinion, but people like Pierre Garcon, Fili Moala, Tom Brady, and Jeff Saturday say that you shouldn’t be judged on your first year.

And the first year project thing? I think Darren McFadden, Ryan Clady, and Rashard Mendenhall would all like to disagree that 1st rounders absolutly must contribute their first year or their busts. Just to name a few.

by Candlebox on Jan 11, 2011 4:00 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

First round pick

Calias Campbell (2nd round, 2008), Aaron Kampman (5th round, 2002), and Kyle Vanden Bosh (2nd round, 2001) weren’t first round picks like Hughes was.

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by Brad Wells on Jan 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, first round D linemen with crappy first years that ended up doing well

Haloti Ngata, Ravens DE, 1 sack, 1 pick, now pro bowler
Marcus Stroud, former jags now bills DE. No sacks 1st year, 3 time pro bowler
Trevor Price, only 2 sacks besides starting 15 games, pro bowler

I could go on, but it’s not that hard. DEs usually take the longest to develop. Hughes didn’t play a lot because guess what, he had two pro bowl DEs that he had to compete with for time. As I explained, where they get a lot of their sacks are on 3rd down. They arn’t great against the run, but neither is Hughes. So he got some 3rd downs and obvoius passing downs, and has had pressures and would’ve had a sack barring the obvoius holding call against him that went uncalled.

by Candlebox on Jan 11, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

I’m not ready to say he won’t end up a bust, but how many of those other DEs that were drafted high and had better stats WEREN’T starters, or even more, were playing behind TWO pro-bowlers? None, that’s how many.

by Troy Stauffer on Jan 11, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If you watched Mathis on Sunday on the sidelines...

sucking wind, it sure would have been nice to have had a serviceable DE that could give him a rest for few plays so he could be fresh when he was really needed.

McFadden played more games in his rookie year than he has since. He also averaged 4.4 yards a carry and almost 10 yards per reception. His numbers have been fairly consistent since his rookie year.

Clady was in third place in offensive ROY voting and was a second team All-Pro selection his rookie year – that doesn’t seem like a project thing to me.

by Yougotme on Jan 11, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't meaning Clady

Some other OT who’s name is escaping me right now… I’ll find it later. The Jets game is a terrible example of when Hughes should play, and in fact he was in on some snaps. Hughes is bad at run d, Freeney and Mathis are ok, but they sucked at Run D terribly at first. The need for Hughes this year, was in case one of our DEs got hurt, and they didn’t. He got some snaps on 3rd downs and passing downs, but he had to fight 2 pro bowlers for time where they usually play extremly well and is their specialty. What a bust though… Can’t get any playing time over the best DE in the league, and another pro bowler. Because all players in the league come into the league better then pro bowlers, not like they have to develop or anything like that.

by Candlebox on Jan 11, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Too early.

He certainly hasn’t reached Ugoh status yet, although he did have a disappointing season by all accounts. If Mathis is really as upset about his contract as some say, I’m sure we’ll have plenty of opportunities to see what the kid can or can’t do in the near future.

by burc on Jan 11, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

I think people are forgetting that he came on strong.

He double his season total for tackles in the season finale. If it weren’t for that game we’d be twice as worried about his abilities!

by Joseph* on Jan 11, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't need him this year.

Hughes was taken so that our pass rush wouldn’t be erased by an injury as happened in the Super Bowl last year. Colts like to have pass rushing DEs and run stuffing DEs that they can rotate in as needed. Hughes is a pass rusher in the same mold as Freeney and Mathis. He didn’t fit in the rotation because we already had the two best DEs in the conference filling his role, and he wasn’t drafted to be a run stuffer.

Fortunately, Freeney and Mathis stayed healthy all year so we never found out what Hughes could do replacing them. But if injuries had plagued our DEs like they did our LBs, DBs, or receivers, I suspect we’d be talking about Hughes and John Chick with the same appreciation we have for guys like Angerer, Tryon, Tamme, White, Conner, etc.

And I wouldn’t worry too much about his kickoff coverage skills. As a DE he won’t have to make alot of open field tackles head-on at full speed. He will need to blow past blockers, and he did that quite well on the play.

by ex-Viking fan on Jan 11, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

CALM DOWN

This article is a perfect example of what is wrong with NFL fans. Every person and every situation is different. Some guys are needed right away and develop well quickly and put up big numbers in their rookie years. Some guys aren’t needed or don’t develop as quickly. That doesn’t mean their “busts.” That means they’re human.

I really like this site, but jumping to conclusions like this infuriates me. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a bust at the end of your rookie year. West Point graduates aren’t immediately made generals. They have to get experience first. NFL rookies don’t immediately become player of the year candidates.

Hughes has the athletic and mental attributes to become a cornerstone for the Colts, but he has 2 Pro Bowl ends ahead of him, unlike when either Freeney or Mathis were selected. Comparing Hughes to them is apples and oranges.

As long as Hughes improves on his run defense and studies hard, which I fully expect, he’ll make the sophomore jump like so many others. Then this article will look very foolish, just like the ones from last year calling Fili Moala a bust.

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 11, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Not impossible to bust as a rookie

Sadly, as a former Viking fan I still remember Dimitrius Underwood, the 1st round pick who was a complete bust by lunch on his first and only day of training camp.

by ex-Viking fan on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

People need to wake up!

Polian gets the credit for building a great team out of late-round and undrafted players…except for the fact that those same players he finds are the same ones that fill an undersized, below average defense. There’s a reason these guys are undrafted and late round picks – they are SMALL! Who cares if Polian can get these "perfect" players to fit our system…OUR SYSTEM SUCKS! Clean house of all of these jokers and let’s start fresh. You know how many high quality personnel people and coaches would be lining up to come to the Colts and Peyton? I’m sick of this organization and their stubbornness to change with the times.

by Brant Gerber on Jan 11, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Ok, first of all the Colts defense almost always does well in the one stat that matters: points allowed. The point behind the Tampa-2 is to limit big plays and hold opponents to field goals instead of touchdowns. Combine that with the Indy offense, and it explains the historic 12-win season and 9 playoff streak.

Second, trying to tear everything down and rebuild the system would take AT LEAST 2-3 years and eat the majority of Peyton’s remaining years.

You probably make sure the house is actually on fire before dialing 911

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 11, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Peyton is a huge part of it, now doubt. But the NFL is not the NBA. One man simply cannot take a team to a championship no matter how talented he is. You need a solid defensive philosophy and a supporting cast. Early in his career, the defense was not of a high caliber. Now it is.

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Or else- Jerry Hughes will be just fine next year. And this is all another volcanic overreaction.

Busting sounds like something Kim Kardashian or a swimsuit model does.

by moocow on Jan 11, 2011 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

jerry hughes possibly could be the biggest possible maybe 1st round bust!!!! wink wink

cmon, one season doth not make a career! once again lets throw something on the wall and see what splats! heres an interesting link check it out………http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-bestfirstroundpicks042307… speculators speculate…let the coaches coach…players play. man you guys are becoming as bad as the new england fans out here! you can break down every play, dissect every word from the polian show, read every PH blog-tweet- whatever. the fact of the matter is this we werent good enough to win. is that jerry hughes fault? did that one play cost his team the game? or maybe it was all the 3rd and ones we came up short on. or maybe the way the jets rammed the ball down our throat? how about jeff saturdays play all year? why not write about that? or write about some hope for next year? why does it all have to be so negative? all the time? realistic is one thing but damn you beat this drum all year long.and anyone who disagrees with you, you threaten with banishment. head writer, editor -in-chief blah blah. you have let personal feelings cloud your professional judgement. irsay makes mistakes, polian makes mistakes, caldwell makes mistakes, hughes makes mistakes, BBS makes mistakes. we will all rebound from this season and this will make this team and organization stronger, deeper and better next year. this doesnt have to be a rah rah site but does it have to be such a debbie downer site? piece!

sean smither

by izzystradlin67 on Jan 11, 2011 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

One thing I want to dismiss right off the bat is this notion that first round picks can be ‘project players.’

A close examination of the 2010 NFL draft would suggest that this isn’t accurate. Consider the players in and around where Hughes was drafted:

  • Drafted #25, Tim Tebow, QB, Denver Broncos. He was clearly meant to be a project because he was behind Kyle Orton, and Orton was particularly productive in that system despite no run game. Only started when Orton was hurt (and after McDaniels fired): Project.
  • Drafted #26, Dan Williams, NT, Arizona Cardinals.15 games, 0 starts. 38 tackles, 27 solo. Decent but not spectacular performance.
  • Drafted #27, Devin McCourty, CB, New England Patriots. 16 games, 16 starts. However, he was clearly drafted to be a #3 and perhaps push to be a starter – he was behind Leigh Bodden, 2nd round pick Darius Butler, 2nd round pick Terrence Wheatley, and incumbent starter Jonathan Wilhite, and only elevated when Bodden was on IR, Wheatley hurt in training camp, and Wilhite penciled in at nickelback Project
  • Drafted #28, Jared Odrick, DE, Miami Dolphins. Nominal starter at season’s beginning, but only because Phillip Merling was arrested and the team saw it as a fit punishment. Odrick was injured after only 3 tackles and placed on IR. Project
  • Drafted #29, Kyle Wilson, CB, New York Jets. Clearly intended to be a long-term project, as the starting roles in NY were sewn up by Darrell Revis and Antonio Cromartie. Wasn’t intended to be a ST maven, either – Brad Smith, Cromartie and Jerricho Cotchery were already on board. 0 starts, 16 tackles in nickelback. Project
  • Drafted #30, Jahvid Best, RB, Detroit Lions. So-so production – 171 carries, 555 yards @ 3.2 ypc, 4 TDs. Hardly overwhelming production from a position with the shallowest learning curve from college to pros.
  • Drafted #31, Jerry Hughes, DE, Indianapolis Colts. 6 tackles while buried behind Mathis and Freeney on the depth chart. Project
  • Drafted #32, Patrick Robinson, CB, New Orleans Saints. 11 games, 0 starts, 23 tackles (from nickelback). Clearly drafted to be a depth player – Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter were returning as Super Bowl-winning CB tandem, and FS Malcolm Jenkins drops down into nickelback fairly often. Robinson was always bound to be fighting for reps. Project

I’m not sure where you’re getting your “first-round draft picks must be immediate starters!” attitude. That’s true of teams who, well, suck. But teams who are coming off playoff appearances (especially Super Bowl appearances), can afford to take Best Player Available with high upside, even if they won’t immediately start, because, well, they’re already good teams who made playoffs. Look at the list of ‘projects’ from 26-32. The Colts are just doing the norm.

Freeney and Mathis aren’t going to be playing forever. Good pass-rushers are hard to find, so it’s justifiable to take the gamble when one falls into your lap with the 31st pick for the simple fact that they usually don’t – Vernon Gholston didn’t go below the 6th pick, and he’s awful.

As Bill Polian told us, Hughes was not taken to replace Robert Mathis or Dwight Freeney. He was drafted to work with them. Here’s Polian in April 2010:
Polian: We’ve been searching for the elusive ‘third rusher’ for a long time. And now we feel that [Hughes] can fill that bill.

True. But that’s predication on needing a pass-rusher. To have a pass-rush, the other team has to be passing. The Colts weren’t able to dictate the pace of the game as well as previous years because of their injury woes on O; they didn’t score enough points to force oppositions to play catch-up. If opposition teams could run (and they could), then the third pass-rusher was contrary to purposes – shoring up the D-line with run-stuffers was far more important. Hughes was on the bench more often than he would have otherwise been because the Colts O didn’t force the oppositions to throw as often as previous years.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

It kind of disgusts me but I like the work you’re doing here. Some of the expectations regularly toted on this site are almost as if the NFL is a NCAA type arena where certain teams are pretty much guaranteed more success than other teams that might be managed at an equivalent level because of inherant advantages.

The Colts don’t deserve wins even if they have a good roster and solid coaching. I believe they have both, personally.

Hughes might be a bust. He might not. It’s too early to call right now. He didn’t see the field much, but as Comedic.Sans (You can’t be a rare CS fan, can you, really?) has shown, several teams pick top picks to groom behind starters they feel may be fading or aging. I want to see more out of Hughes, but it would be rash to cut him or label him a bust at this point. I guess this piece generated the discussion you wanted but I just don’t see how this makes any real football sense. You can go all day naming first round picks that didn’t make a first year impact and were still worth their pick.

by INDIANABANNER on Jan 11, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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Nah, more a personal joke – sans comedy.

Belichick says 3 years before you can declare someone a bust. Justin Tuck cracked the starting lineup of the Giants in his 3rd year; Osi Umenyiora only did it his 3rd, too. Michael Strahan only because ‘Michael Strahan’ in his 4th season. Oh, and those guys won a Super Bowl off the back of a ridiculously awesome Cover-2 pass-rush against the most high-flying O of all time.

If it takes Michael Strahan a while to learn the DE position, isn’t it prudent to wait a while to give Hughes a chance? Although I suppose I should put my Patriots hat on and ask for the Colts to cut him, just so the Pats can turn him into a star from free agency, hah.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd rusher?

Like Tuck was picked up by the Giants even though they had Umenyiora and Strahan?

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by insertscreenname on Jan 11, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, he was a first-round talent that slipped.

And then the Giants went straight out and drafted Mathias Kiwanuka in the first round in 2006, despite having Strahan, Umenyiora and Tuck already on the roster.

The last Cover-2 D that won the Super Bowl was the 2007 Giants team, and they had 4 great DEs on the roster – Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck, Kiwanuka. Tuck took 2 years to earn a starting gig, Umenyiora took 2 years to become a great pass-rusher. Strahan was drafted in 1993 but not truly dominant until 1997. That’s the same type of learning curve I’d expect from Hughes. A guy who starts straight away – like Kiwanuka – is great, but really the exception that proves the rule that DEs are slow to adjust to the NFL.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giants don't play a cover-2

Tampa 2 style with the CBs in short zones, they tend to play man under. It was this that allowed them to hold the Pats – the ability to get a jam on the receivers stopping the quick pass, and the safety help deep prevented the deep pass. The pass rush got there quick enough to kill Brady before Moss was able to get down the field, and there were no holes for Welker to sit in because of the man coverage.

F*** the Giants. Hope they used up all their good luck for the next 1000 years for that Super Bowl.

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by insertscreenname on Jan 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

True: Spagnuolo ran a Jimmy Jones-style 4-3 in 2007; Perry Fewell runs a Cover-2 now.

The current Giants D is more of a Cover-2, but the Giants D-line is pretty effective in both (both using a 40-front, after all).

I guess the point I was trying to make is that the smaller D-line (often made of 3 or 4 DEs instead of DTs), can and has had success in the right circumstances – Spagnuolo proved that. But you have to guarantee the other team will come out throwing, and that usually happens by putting up a lead.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hughes had a dissapointing rookie season

Having said that, I have witnessed how great of a player he can be from his days in TCU. Now one can make the arguement that he was facing average college level competition. And you would be right. But, this is a guy with enormous potential. How many time have we seen guys who were supposed to be great with huge upside come in and struggle thier rookie year. I have faith in this guy and believe me when I tell you this. Jerry Hughes will develop into a porbowl Defensive end. He is in the perfect scheme for his style of play. Allow him to make the first to second year jump please. We all saw it with Fili. I know we all expect immediate production from a first round pick but sometimes it just doeesnt work out that way. Was Jerry Hughes’ rookie season a dissapointment? Yes. Be patient. He has the best D Ends in the league to learn from. He has the talent and athleticism to become special.

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by metallicolts on Jan 11, 2011 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Dolphins fan here

we’ll take Jerry Hughes, convert him into a 3-4 olb.
what do you guys think he’s worth after this season? 3rd/4th round pick?

btw I haven’t watched enough Colts games to know, did Hughes get a lot of opportunities on passing downs where he could just pin his ears back?

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 11, 2011 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Not at all

Most DEs would also struggle getting time behind the best rusher in the NFL and Mathis, also a pro bowler.

by Candlebox on Jan 11, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

then how the hell are some of you calling him a bust?

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 12, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

They think all 1st rounders absolutly must contribute something

or their busts, they ignore circumstances(people want to run against us and pretty much all our ends suck against the run, and that he was behind two pro bowlers and a possible HoF, who hardly even come out besides on running plays) Third down is theirs, and it is Hughes is a pass rusher. Which, uh oh, means that he also is made for third down… But yeah, he’s a total bust. Poor bastard can’t beat out two pro bowlers for playing time… Just give us a 6th round pick, he’s not worth it if he can’t get 10 sacks a year on maybe 2 or three passing downs a game? Bust…

by Candlebox on Jan 12, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Be patient

Hughes will be good for us guys just wait and see plus I agree first rounders should have impact but I’mthinking only the top 15~20 picks should be immediate impact players and everyone else imo is a project whether they start or not remember we are still talking about rookies young guys barely out of college and playing a mans game…i don’t call ne one a bust until about year three

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by TouchdownColts on Jan 11, 2011 9:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I hate to single out Hughes

The offensive line and the interior part of the defensive line desperately need to be fixed. If they are fixed, we won’t spend time singling out individuals like Hughes. A lot will fall into place when the lines are fixed, most of us will relax, and guys like Hughes will be given time to develop.

It just feels to me like we’re trying to get players in other positions to fill in the holes created by the offensive line and the interior part of the defensive line..

by Kayaker on Jan 11, 2011 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Hughes is in a very tough spot. He’s playing behind two Pro Bowl defensive ends on a team that, due to the way the offense and defense operates, is most often facing teams that want to run the ball. That doesn’t give him a lot of chances to shine.

You can’t call a guy a bust after a single rookie season. Give him two years. Maybe he becomes a ST demon and starts racking up garbage time sacks. Maybe he doesn’t do anything and flames out. You have to give guys time to develop before you label them busts. It’s why I’m not a fan of calling Donald Brown a bust; he’s had two seasons behind a terrible offensive line. Gonzo is a good receiver, but he can’t stay healthy. Ugoh was, I think, a failure on the part of the organization. Had he been able to sit and study behind Glenn for a season or two, I think he would have been fine. But as it was, he was expected to do too much too soon.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Jan 11, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Personally, I think that was the Colts plan for Ugoh. My understanding was that Glenn’s retirement took everyone by surprise. I know it did me.

by TrueBlue87 on Jan 11, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thirsty? I've been carrying this water since week 16 last year.

Freeney and Mathis were healthy all year. I think Mathis had a kneee near the end of the 3rd quater of the season, but he didn’t miss any time. Hughes needs more time. BTW, he EARNED his rookie contract dollars at TCU: not at Colts training camp.

by caldwellmotivatesME on Jan 12, 2011 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

BBS I think people are glossing over something you've said that I agree with

One thing I want to dismiss right off the bat is this notion that first round picks can be ’project players.

I agree with you and have been saying that since he was drafted. I also feel you shouldn’t draft someone in the first round to be a back-up. You draft guys in the first to contribute now!. Thank you for this! My bro in law fought me on this but I think he is coming around.

by nighttrain551 on Jan 12, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

It’s too early to give up on Hughes! A year ago Moala was a bust too for many Colts fans and he developed nicely this season. Let’s wait and see!

by austriancolt on Jan 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Of course he is NOT...

…a bust.

This season seemingly was but maybe there are other things behind the scenes going on (obviously there are).

Whatever it is, I’ll give him another season before I pull out the “Bust” card.

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by VaBthang4 on Jan 12, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Tell you what

I’ll trade you Vernon Gholston for Hughes in a heartbeat!

by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 12, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

The question should be....

was Hughes the right pick for a team with 2 Pro Bowl DE’s?

umm NO!!

by Colt fan in MA on Jan 12, 2011 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

Why not?

The Giants had Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora on board in 2004. In 2005 they drafted Justin Tuck. Surely 3 DEs would be enough, right? Well, no, because in 2006 they drafted Mathias Kiwanuka in the 1st round, 32nd pick. Four DEs? Surely that’s too many, right?

Well, no. The Giants used all four of those guys to win Super Bowl XLII on the back of an amazing pass-rush. And when Strahan retired (as Mathis and Freeney surely must at some point), then the Giants had a proven set of DEs to fill the void.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And then they drafted Pierre-Paul last year as well...

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by insertscreenname on Jan 13, 2011 5:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The Giants are not the Colts...

we had a lot more glaring weakness’s.

if the giants drafted 4 punters, should the colts? What works for one team, doesnt work for another.

by Colt fan in MA on Jan 13, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

You're right, the Giants aren't the Colts...

The Giants don’t have the better Manning at QB, but they won a Super Bowl more recently. Something to ponder.

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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No one can watch Hughes play defense & claim he is NOT a bust

I watched Jerry Hughes in preseason & whenever he subbed in during the season & the best way to describe his style of play is this— TIMID HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER. He gets in a tiny little stance, bumps bellies with the guy across from him, watches the play happen around him & then looks over to the sideline to see if Freeney or Mathis is going to come out & save him.

And please don’t get me started on the KO Return. HUGHES WAS UNBLOCKED & didn’t even try to tackle Cromartie because that would involve physical contact. I think he is literally afraid of getting hit out there.

The only reason he hasn’t been cut yet is due to the salary cap hit for all of the $7M guaranteed money he got.

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