David Garrard's Agent Suggests Colts Paid Peyton Manning Knowing He Couldn't Play In 2011
The Jaguars are a mess.
I say this because, as a fan of the 2011 Indianapolis Colts, I know what a mess really looks like.
We've always been outspoken about our dislike for the morons who own and coach the Jags for years. Gene Smith seems like a quality G.M., and if you look at his recent draft record, he's actually better at his job today than Bill and Chris Polian are at theirs. Unfortunately for Smith, he works for Wayne Weaver and has to manage the worst coach in all of football, Jack Del Rio.
Del Rio has pretty consistently ranked near the bottom of the head coaching tree since he was given the job back in 2003. Since then, he's won only one playoff game (back in 2007) which was, incidentally, the last time the Jags were in the post-season.
Nine years. One playoff win. Del Rio's got pictures of Weaver, a couple of hookers, and a donkey. That's the only reason I can come up with as to why he still has a job in Jacksonville.
At the end of pre-season this year, Del Rio tried to reuse an old magic trick in a rather transparent effort to keep his job. At the end of pre-season in '07, Del Rio famously cut longtime starting QB Byron Leftwich and handed the job to David Garrard. The move helped the Jags to a playoff birth that year.
This past pre-season, Del Rio, desperate for a quick fix in order to save his skin, gave Garrard the Leftwich treatment, cutting him unexpectedly in favor of Luke McCown and, later, rookie Blaine Gabbert. The results are a dumpster fire, and Del Rio is as good as fired at the end of 2011. Then again, I've been saying that for years.
Today, David Garrard's agent, Al Irby, decided to sound off on the Jaguars on behalf of his client. It seems Irby isn't happy that Garrard was served up as a Del Rio sacrifice to appease Weaver's pocketbook. From the Florida Times-Union, via PFT:
"At $500,000 per game, they knew he would be down 4-6 weeks. They didn’t want to pay that bill," Irby wrote to Tania Ganguli of the Florida Times-Union. "Now you know the difference between a first-class organization like Indy, and a sorry organization like the Jags. Indy gave their QB a contract even though he couldn’t play all season.
"David was told his back was fine. So he took them for their word. Now he has to go to surgery, and Jacksonville is saying, ‘Not my problem.’ What a first class organization!"
Wait, hold on a sec. Did I read that right? No, not the part about the Jaguars being a 'sorry organization.' No one is going to argue that. I'm talking about the Colts.
Did our owner and team front office really give Peyton Manning $90 million dollars knowing full-and-well he would not play in 2011?
The rumor mill has been screaming all season that the Colts signed Peyton Manning without giving him a physical. The first to report this was Mike Florio at PFT. I've talked with Mike and he's emphatically stood by the report. Both Bill and Chris Polian have publicly denied Florio's report, saying that Manning did pass a physical before signing.
However, regardless of whatever they say publicly, both Polians lack credibility when attempting to debunk injury rumors.
The Colts covered up Manning's neck injury all last season, never listing him on the injury report even though he was clearly dealing with neck-shoulder-triceps issues. Also, if Peyton's injury this year was so bad that it required a second surgery in September after an initial operation in May, how did he pass anything remotely resembling a proper physical before signing his contract in July?
What, did the Polians say, 'Peyton, lift this pen. Sign here. There! You passed your physical AND you signed your $90 million dollar contract. Congratulations!'
I'm not going to argue Irby's point that the Jaguars are classless and 'sorry.' They are. That's pretty universally well-known throughout league circles. I'm sure some nutball Jags fans will see that as a shot at the fanbase overall, but really it isn't. Jags fans deserve better than these idiots running their team, and should demand better. They are the ones paying good money for this train wreck every Sunday. I mean, win or lose, Wayne Weaver still makes a profit. Unless held accountable, what incentive does he have to win?
And though I think the Jags are a dumpster fire, I don't begrudge them cutting Garrard. My issue is when they cut him. If he was hurt, and they knew he was hurt, as Irby's suggests, the Jags should have let him go prior to preseason and gone with Gabbert. By stringing him, the team, and the fans along only to cut Garrard right before the start of Week One, it just further reinforced the notion that clueless monkeys run the team rather than a group of quality professionals.
Back to the Colts, it's a pretty significant thing to say that the Polians signed Manning to the richest deal in NFL history knowing he was too injured to play. I'm sure a few insurance companies might have a word or two with Jim Irsay if Irby's statement is true.
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I'm sure the front office knew something was up...
But the Dr’s cleared him for limited practice after he signed his contract. It’s not like Manning signed the contract then went under the knife…
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I think this is typical agent talk and not much of a story.
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
by PV Mike on Oct 18, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I must say
I think you’re reaching on this one a bit.
by gmitch23 on Oct 18, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
definitely
were gonna take a statement from an angry agent, whos trying to prove a point, as Gospel?? im not buying it
Reaching??
To say he’s reaching is a disservice to the word reaching.
I'd donate a kidney in exchange for Pdiddy and my colts to get 2 more Super Bowl rings...That's LUV
by Bama Blue on Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
this blog is a dumpster fire
Jesus, I hope BBS never serves on a jury. He has no concept of standards of evidence and is ready to accept any bullshit that corroborates his assumptions.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
by zherebyonki on Oct 18, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
ok i get what you're sayin
but lets not dog the article like this, its ok not to agree.
by gmitch23 on Oct 18, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but what is the alternative
not sign him, let him be a free agent and have someone else sign him,, only reason not to sign him , is if they thought he could never play again,, assuming he is healthy , he should be good for 4 more years,, My motto for this year and next is worst to first and should have new Head Coach and O and D Co- ord. also
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Oct 18, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tabloid Style Speculation
An agent is giving a general comparison? He’s not really stating any facts… just a comment you’re trying to run with. This must be what 0-6 looks like.
Also it sure does look like Smith is a better talent evaluator too. Judging by their incredible run of excellence.
Remember- Jim Caldwell is a terrible coach ( your words)
So the colts are LESS talented because they can’t draft due to the incompetence of Polian.
They must have just been VERY VERY LUCKY for that long run of playoff appearances and all those wins due to their extreme ineptitude from coaches and the front office.
err yeah. about that.
Wow, just saw the Raiders are giving #1 pick for Carson Palmer!
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
This was posted when the news first broke
Details have changed in the last 2 hours. Maybe they would want a package deal with Collins as a backup?
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
I think the notion that Irby knows defintively what the Colts did or did not know about Manning is far-fetched.
But the fact that PM was having health issues, had surgery in May 2011 and was currently under doctor’s care was obviously known to the Colts. As a result, unless we’re talking about issues other than the neck, I don’t see what difference it makes whether he had a physical or not. They knew about the neck injury and signed him anyway.
New Math: 2011-18 = 0-16
by EVLGNUS on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
REACH
Wow, this post is a major reach. Instead of analyzing facts and reaching a conclusion, this blog has devolved into first reaching a conclusion ( Polian bad) and then selectively finding or twisting “facts” to support that conclusion.
by javen on Oct 18, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Jacob Lacey and Tim Jennings with pictures of Caldwell’s daughter…reach? Or the only reason they started consecutive games for the colts ?
by PeytonIsGOAT on Oct 18, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, yes, yes
All we do is write trash, make stuff up, and fling around meaningless babble because we’re out for page views, ad money, and high grade cocaine that we can snort off a hooker’s pelvis.
Nothing we’ve ever written has been backed up with facts, and we ‘twist’ everything in a devious effort to make all the cool people in the Colts organization look bad.
Clearly, you’ve discovered our agenda. We’ve been unmasked. we would have gotten away with it had it not been for you meddling kids.
Meanwhile, if you haven’t seen it already, our weekly stats article, using a stats system we created and honed. Cheers.
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
Regarding your first paragraph...
…Charlie Sheen calls that “breakfast” ;)
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Oct 18, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think javen's only mistake was not clarifying...
that the other bloggers on Stampede Blue do post quality stuff. I think he was being polite by not calling you out directly.
CORRECT
Just trying to keep up a healthy discussion while respecting everyone’s opinion. My point is that people need to keep these things in perspective. Polian and every single GM in the league has hits and misses. Simply the nature of the business. If the blog would use its time and resources to OBJECTIVELY look at what other teams are doing Polian’s record holds up very well.
by javen on Oct 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is this "story" posted?
BBS please stick with posting real stories or insightful post. Gene Smith has had a couple of quality picks but no way is he better than Polian if he was the Jags would not be picking in the top 15 every single year. Look at the Jags average draft position since Gene Smith has had since he became the GM for the Glitter Kitties and with all of their draft picks and free agent signings if Gene Smith was better than the Polian’s the Jags would be in the playoff’s and they have not been with a top 5 RB and an very competitive defense. Yet the Jags have not been and I do not think the Jags will be in the playoff’s for another couple of years.
by dave1251 on Oct 18, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
If Gene Smith is better than our GM
Why do the jaguars players consistently suck ?
I'm okay with this.
Give Manning the keys to the stadium, the deed to the training facility, Conseco Fieldhouse, Circle Centre Mall, Noblesville, and anything else he wants. I don’t care if he doesn’t play another down for this football team. As long as he doesn’t trot out in a Titans or Cowboys uniform, I’m okay with this.
I, for one, want no part of any Ruthian-esque cursings.
by DeepThought on Oct 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
new website name
they need to change the name of this website to rumor-monger.com
by PMoney on Oct 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Meh.
Don’t see what’s gained by posting this, at all. All I have to say on it, really.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
I want Polian gone, I want Caldwell gone, I agree with a lot of what BBS says,
but this is not a story. This is an agent spouting off on behalf of a client that is now jobless.
Let’s see some articles outlining some Bill Polian or Jim Caldwell replacement options.
Even if Polian did sign Manning without having him pass a physical, this “story” proves nothing and just makes Stampede Blue look less credible.
by FatDT on Oct 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Agent
When an agent for a prominent player suggests the Colts signed Manning even though he was hurt, that’s a story. If Peyton Manning signed his contract without taking a physical, that is a BIG story.
Please, knock off the useless comments about credibility. This is yet another source (Garrard’s agent) saying the Colts knowingly signed an injured player to the biggest contract in NFL history. That’s news, people. Just because you personally don’t think its important doesn’t mean the news world should revolve around you.
If this was a story you cared nothing about, no one forced you to read it or comment on it.
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
'Prominent' player?
It’s David Garrard. And it’s the Jaguars. Neither are prominent, both are a joke.
They didn’t know the full extent of the injury because they couldn’t – nerve regeneration isn’t something you can predict, you just have to play the percentages. Peyton took a team-friendly deal in the long-term, so it won’t kill us for years, and there’s an option bonus next year if he really can’t come back.
Would you rather we let him hit free agency? There are at least 20 other teams in the NFL that would have given him a similar if not larger deal even in full knowledge that he might be able to play the whole year.
This story is absolutely nothing, and you diminish your own gravitas by posting it.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
by Ben Savage on Oct 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Gene Smith
He took over as GM in 2009. His top three picks in each of the last two drafts are:
2009
1- Eugene Monroe
2- Ebben Britton
3- Derek Cox
2010
1- Tyson Alualu
30 D’Anthony Smith
Meanwhile, the Colts took Brown, Moala, and Powers in ‘09 and Hughes, Angerer, and Thomas in ’10. Brown and Hughes are busts, Moala isn’t anything special, and Thomas is so bad now he can’t even get activated on sundays when the team is thinner than tissue paper in the secondary. Angerer and Powers are decent picks, though Powers is injury prone.
So, yeah. Gene Smith has drafted better than the Polian in recent years.
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
Well
1- Eugene Monroe was the 2nd WORST pass blocking tackle from 2008-2010 according to PFF. So, according to you logic, he is a bust, and at number 8 overall a pretty big one.
2- Eben Britton was drafted in the 2nd round to be the right tackle of the future. After injury, he was shifted to left guard, replaced by a guy name Guy Whimper, you know who he is ? I didn’t. I’d say it’s a disappointing pick. Ah, and he replaced Will Rackley at LG, a 2011 that was drafted to be a starter.
3- D’Anthony Smith has no tackles, no stats in the NFL, because he spent his rookie and this season on IR.
4- Tyson Alualu is playing terribly this year. See: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/13/fantasy-by-the-numbers-desdts/
In the 2009-2010 drafts, we got Powers, Collie, Angerer (whom you tought was a reach) and Conner (the top NFL tacklers, BTW), Moala, and etc., picking 15-20 spots AFTER Jacksonville. I think we drafted better.
Gene Smith also overpaid in free agency this year. All the free agents, all the money spent, and they are 1-5, with all the major players playing. We are 0-6, sure, but without the best player in the NFL.
by blacktobias on Oct 18, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
ding ding ding. Round goes to the guy in the Black trunks.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
GREAT
Great post. I tried the same angle off the top of my head. Jag fans are screaming about how poorly their picks are performing. But it goes to the same point, Polian bad, so lets twist the facts to support the conclusion.
By the way, ESPN did a review of the 2009 first round picks. Just awful. Of the first 16 picks (Stafford, Raji and Orakpo) are hits pretty much the rest are average or awful. In this context Brown wasn’t such a bad pick.
REALLY
Monroe is at best average and is not even close to what you would expect from a top ten choice. Britton is also average but can’t stay on the field because of injury. Cox is just OK and has been benched at times for poor play.
Alualu, another top ten pick, is a fine player that is not playing great right now because of injury and Smith hasn’t given them anything because of injury. You left out Knighton who was a great second round pick but has battled weight issues.
If Polian had a two year draft like this you’d be all over him for lousy drafts.
Jax has drafted better than the Colts lately but we have Peyton to cover up for Polian. When a team has the G.O.A.T. it makes the organization look first class.
by SRBradford on Oct 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A quick refresh of the facts!
If the colts left peyton manning on IR at the conclusion of training camp, they could have left him on IR for the first 6 weeks without wasting 1 of 53 roster spots on him, giving them time to make a decision. True?
Affirmative.
Thus, the notion that the colts weren’t legitimately surprised that he had numbness in his triceps after activating him a week before week 1 vs Texans should be dismissed immediately?
Affirmative.
It makes zero sense and defies logic to suggest there was a conspiracy theory in ownership/management to activate him for no reason other than optics.
Next topic please?
by ColtKing on Oct 18, 2011 4:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Agreed - A lot of people think Irsay is crazy
I say crazy like a fox. I don’t think he would part with 18 million on a whim.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
As I usually respond to nonsense or wild speculation being presented as fact -----
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
And the monkey slowly raised the beer to his simian lips -
Ahhh, a drink of beer. That’s one. **
- New Beer Game – take a drink each time BBS posts “Polians suck” in an article.
The future...

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Great!
I spit out my drink when I read this. LOL!
by buymymonkey on Oct 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Here were the Options -
Option 1 – Sign him, even if he can’t play in 2011, so that you might have him for 2012-14
Option 2 – Publicly release information about his neck to drive down his value. Manning reacts by leaving team, signing a lucrative contract with the Titans, and the fan base burns the stadium down.
Option 3 – Don’t sign him because it’s too risky. Manning reacts by … see Option 2.
Personally, I would have gone with option 1. Perhaps BBS-Genius can find a better option.
by MichColtFan on Oct 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I like this site
But when I see BBS is authoring a post, I move to the next. Sad but true.
by FatFinger on Oct 18, 2011 10:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yet, here you are.
just saying.
It’s strange that this should be news though, I wouldn’t care if it was true. Thus, it registers as non-news to me. I find the most amazing thing about this being David Garrard’s agent seriously comparing the situations of Manning and Garrard.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Oct 19, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course you like your owners better than Weaver...
After all, your city only has a team because your owner sold out the people of Baltimore, Colts true city, for a sweeter deal.
Class.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Not Our Owner
Our owner did not sell out Baltimore. That was his father. Pretty much everyone knows that Robert Irsay was a not a very nice person. Jim is nothing like his father.
by ColtsPensacola on Oct 19, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Inspiration from one of the Jaguars 10 season ticket holders.
See you in LA someday. Just leave Jack Del Rio home in Florida.
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
Who Cares?
Of course Irsay wasn’t going to let Peyton go even if it cost him a paid season. Irsay knows that Peyton built Indy from a losing team. I have been a Colts fan since growing up in Indiana. We watched a lot of terrible seasons before Peyton showed up. The Colts never had the kind of excitement or fair weather fans they have now.
Irsay is not dumb enough to let Peyton go before he has to. Even if it costs him a few million. Even 2-3 good seasons after this one will more than pay for the lost season. Peyton puts fans in seats, so personally, I think this article is stupid. If there is even a small chance that Peyton recovers, then Irsay isn’t letting Peyton go for any price. The publicity alone makes Manning worth every dollar spent.

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