Raiders Go All-In
by emiller17 on Oct 18, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
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The Oakland Raiders are on the cusp of trading for "retired" quarterback Carson Palmer. This is news in itself. A big move from a team that few people expected to be very good this year. This Raiders team has surprised many fans this year. Wait 'til you hear what they are trading for him.
ESPN info men Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen are reporting that Palmer will be sent west for 2 First-round Draft Picks. The Bengals will get the Raiders first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional first-rounder in 2013. The condition is winning a playoff game. If the Raiders don't win the playoff game or don't make the playoffs, the pick in 2013 is a second-rounder.
So to sum up, the Raiders have traded at minimum a first and second round pick for a 31 year old quarterback who was 4-12 with a 61.8% Completion rate, 26 TD's and 20 INT's in 2010.
All I can say is wow.
To top it off, look at the draft picks the Raiders have traded away for the upcoming draft. Gone are their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th picks from 2012 and, at least, the second rounder for 2013. They will get Compensatory picks for Nnamdi Asomugha and Robert Gallery, but man what a price to pay.
If they get the Pro-Bowl level QB that Palmer was when Hue Jackson was WR Coach in Cincinnati (04-06), there may be a case for the deal. Oakland is only one game behind San Diego for tops in the AFC West. They must think that there is a playoff run in the near future.
I have to say this is a great sales job by the Bengals. I can't imagine people were knocking down their door to trade Palmer. They managed to get 2 first-round picks out of it. I say it's the deal of the century for Mike Brown.
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who trades even ONE 1st rd pick for this guy????
I thought Al Davis was dead??? I guess his legacy lives on in Oakland…
Oakland certainly makes some head scratchers.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
It's only a stretch if he doesn't work out.
If you look at Oakland, they really don’t need a lot on both sides of the ball because they’re loaded at every position EXCEPT QB. Palmer makes perfect sense in that he’s worked under Hue Jackson before and did quite well. He will have a better talent base to work with in Oakland than he did in Cincy. The Raiders have the fastest team in the league on both sides of the ball. Palmer throws one of the best deep balls in the game so this is a win win situation for both parties.
I like the move from both sides
The report is that its this years #1 and a 2nd rounder the following year that becomes a 1st rounder tied to the Raiders winning a playoff game.
The price tag does seem a little steep. However the Raiders have been bad for almost 10 years now. They needed to make a statement to their fanbase that they were serious about trying to win this division. Especially considering that they are trying to get a new stadium deal done in the bay area.
A refocused Carson Palmer and a prime Darren McFadden looks like the best team out west over the next couple of years.
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Maybe they should considered Kerry Collins again
as added insurance as a backup.
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Jerry Hughes would look great in silver and black to shore up their defense for only a #2 pick!
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by PV Mike on Oct 18, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe as confusing as cutting Tryon..?
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At least they needed a QB
so they spent a little a lot to get one.
We need a CB so we cut one of our better ones. I actually think the Palmer deal makes more sense.
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They did give up a lot, but I like the move
This is a emotional team full of character and leaders. They will rally around Carson Palmer. Palmer I always felt was a good QB, he had the physical talent, just not the right mind to be a leader. The more I looke at Marvin Lewis, Mike Brown, and the rest of what was the bengals Im starting to think that it wasn’t all his fault.
Fans and players will love this move, makes it look like they need to win now. Players will rally around Palmer, and I guarantee you Carson wants to go and play his ass off.
I think Colts fans in general should cheer for the Raiders. I don’t know about you guys, but the team I hate the most in the entire world is the Chargers. I can’t stand them and I hope Oakland kicks their ass for the next 25 years. I hate Norv Turner, he doesn’t deserve a job in the NFL, especially since he took over for the well respected Marty Schottenheimer. I hate phillip Rivers he is a baby and is always complaining. I hate everything about the chargers. And its different than the patriots. I don’t like the patriots but I respect them and I realize they are good. The chargers think they are good but they aren’t and wont be till they get rid of Norv.
So lets go Raiders Im cheering for them to win the West.
I can't stand the Chargers
I was a fan growing up, but I agree with you. I just can’t stand this team – nothing but a bunch of over-rated punk crybabies.
I dislike them but I can respect Pittsburgh and New England. At least they have something to brag about.
Go Raiders, Chiefs and Broncos.
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by Guy LeDouche on Oct 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Oakland hasn’t been anywhere near 500 since the SB in 2002. They need to show the fanbase they are serious.
I view this the same way I view us making the “Dickerson Trade” back in 87.
Sure we overpaid in hindsight. However it signaled that we were serious about being contenders. It also led to a playoff appearance and a couple of 8-8 and 9-7 seasons. The first winning this franchise had at any point in Indy.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
yes i loathe the chargers
but i dont see how this move makes Oakland better. Plus it kills their drafts for the next 2 years
Who Dey!!
Been living in Cincinnati for about 15 years now and all of my co workers and friends are about as excited as I’ve ever seen them over this deal.
To us, it looked like Palmer was done. Ever since that nasty knee injury against Pittsburgh, he just hasn’t been the same player. I will give him a little bit of slack, considering he had to endure an embarrassment of a team – arrests, divas wideouts, drama, Mike Brown.
Maybe a chance of scenery will do Palmer some good but I think the Raiders will regret this move. A rare great move by the Bengals!!
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Cincy definitely wins this one,
I mean, for one 1st rounder this was a great trade, for a first and a second, it’s awesome. For a first and possibly ANOTHER first? It’s a jackpot!
That being said, I don’t think that it was necessarily a bad move for the Raiders. With all the talk of a team moving to LA, I think the Raiders need to be competitive and win some in the playoffs, either to stay in Oakland or to be good enough that LA wants them, either way.
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Or Peyton Manning at 36?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Oakland just traded 2 for Palmer, so they have their guy.
And they’re the only ones crazy enough to trade that for Manning.
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Go Palmer!
I’m a supporter of Palmer, and yes it’s a bad trade, but I’m glad Carson Palmer will be playing again.
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agreed
i like carson. i’m happy for him. he gets away from the midwest (my personal dream) and gets to play football again. and the raiders do look good so i think it will work for them.
carson’s going going back back to cali cali
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by muncie_in_this on Oct 19, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Didja notice -
If you followed the links to the Raiders and Bengals sites, there wasn’t over the top bashing of the FO and/or coaches? Did you notice that even though they complained that Lewis didn’t answer much, there wasn’t the all out attack on what an idiot the team is.
Refreshing.
Now imagine if Polian had traded away some key player (although I realize Palmer is not key) for a win-now attempt. This blog would immediately be screaming. Not so on the Raiders blog. Despite trading away their first and second round pics, that fan base wants to win and win now.
by buymymonkey on Oct 18, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Just from a PR point of view...
…Cincy did an amazing job. By bringing in Dalton and putting him in a situation where he can succeed, it seemed as if Cincy had passed on the torch. The fact that this trade is mid-season means that Dalton is already entrenched as the quarterback and Palmer can move without outrage from the fans.
Add in the two great picks and the Bengals came out huge winners.
yes
they are on the way up the key was Dalton playing well ,and the Colts ahve helped with that
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
At least someone from TCU is playing well in the NFL.
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" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
If Colts were really progressive( retro- spectoscope)
Could have freed up cap space ,, gotten Palmer- he would have done great here with our receivers,, Colts make playoffs with a chance to get to the SB in INDY,, would have created excitement,, his value goes up with a good year here,, and trade him next year for a lot- ideal scenerio,, If he is good as he was pre- injury – before the last 2 years he could have won at least 4 out of 5 of these last games and Colts may have been sitting 4-2,, better than our pitiful position now and a long next 10 games
Don't underestimate the role the relationship between Hue Jackson and Mike Brown played in this deal.
Plus, even if the Colts could have freed up the cap space early on it is unlikely Brown would have pulled the trigger. At this point in the season (with the club having a winning record and Dalton playing well) Brown can backpedal from his “never-gonna-give-Palmer-a-trade” stance and make it look like a sound business/football decision.
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