Coach Dungy, " 'We've got Andrew Luck, we've got an asset, we trade [Peyton]."
by Justin in Los Angeles on Oct 23, 2011 7:17 PM EDT
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PrintThe following is in response to comments made by Coach Dungy about trading Peyton Manning if the Colts got Luck: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-Dungy-Colts-should-consider-trading-Peyton;_ylt=AjfpAnE9zzEcIh65Unkf4uFDubYF?urn=nfl-wp10158
Coach Dungy, if it weren't for Manning you would just be another coach who couldn't win the big one. All those records that were set under your tenure in Indianapolis wouldn't exist - records that fans and pundits alike are the reason you're considered an all time great coach, and possible H.O.F. candidate.
Truth be told, if it weren't for Peyton Manning, Howard Mudd, Tom Moore, Bill Polian, and "Booger" McFarland no one would care about what you think the Colts should do.
Another thing, as someone who has spent a good portion of his life either as a player or a coach in the NFL I expect more from you as a commentator. I expect well reasoned, thoughtful insights, especially from someone who was on the inside of the Colts' organization.
Here's why I find your comments bewildering: Number one, the first pick in the draft is just as likely to be a bust as to be, well, Peyton Manning. Second, the best thing for a young quarterback to do is to sit on the bench for a few years, and watch a guys like Joe Montana, Brett Farve, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning play. Third, if it's anyone who should be demanding a trade from Indy it's Peyton Manning. With the way the front office, and coaching staff have run this team into the ground since 2006 it's unlikely Manning will win another Super Bowl, let alone two, before he retires.
How about you comment on how your protege, Jim Caldwell, who cost Indy a Super Bowl win, a playoff game, several regular season games, and in general seems to be just short of a water boy for the Polians. Here's another idea, how about you rip into the front office that has put the team in the position where someone who proposes the idea of trading Manning doesn't become an instant laughing stock among his peers and the public. Oh wait, you were part of that staff for two of the five years after the Super Bowl win in '07. Okay, scratch that idea.
Coach, in all seriousness I really do credit you for a lot of the success the Colts had in Indy while you were there. Especially, the coaching job you did in the playoffs in 2007; however, if this is indicative of how you think then it just shows that you were part of the reason why the Colts are in the mess they are in today, and therefore have no business commenting on how they should be ruining, I mean running the franchise today.
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Doesn't matter
we ain’t gettin’ the number #1 choice. Dolphins couldn’t even beat IU after what I saw today.
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
LOL!
I can’t even believe you watched that game. Wow, you’re a true NFL fan.
Justin from Los Angeles
by Justin in Los Angeles on Oct 23, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wish there was an edit button
I posted this before the game started.
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
Coach Dungy clarified his comments earlier today
He said trade Luck (if Peyton returns to his pre-injury form), not trade Manning. And Dungy was a great coach, in Tampa and in Indy.
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Dungy is right
If given the choice, trade Peyton and go with Luck. Why?
1. Look at the rest of this team. The remaining good players are on the downside of their career. Most of the other players just stink. This is a team that needs complete rebuilding, Peyton, under the best of circumstances, probably only has 3-4 really good years left. We can’t rebuild that quickly.
2. There’s a good chance we don’t have the best of circumstances, and he doesn’t return to his prior form. And if he does, he’ll be playing behind a poor line, with a sub-par team around him, increasing the chance of injury.
While I’d really like to say keep Peyton, it’s just not the sensible thing. This team’s a mess and it’s going to take years to fix it. Luck would seem likely to give us another 15 years of good QB play, and trading Peyton should get a few picks that help with rebuilding the rest of the team.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Couldn't agree more
Tonight’s game should have been enough to swing the people living in denial. The “getting Peyton a couple more rings” crowd needs to face some reality.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Tend To Agree/Where We Stand vis-a-vis Getting Luck
Until we know what’s going on with Peyton, and our draft position, the situation is up in the air:
A-Peyton is healthy and we get the No. 1 pick-
Then you draft Luck, have Manning tutor him for a year, and then shop Manning around for the
best deal.
B-Peyton is healthy, but we don’t have the No. 1 pick-
Build the defense.
C-Peyton is not healthy, but we have the No. 1 pick-
Draft Luck, see if Peyton is interested in a coaching position, such as OC.
D-Worst case scenario-Peyton is not healthy, and we don’t have the No. 1 pick-
Draft Landry Jones, see if Peyton is interested in coaching.
Here is our current ( 10/24/11 ) position in the ‘Suck For Luck’ sweepstakes:
1-Colts ( 0-7 ) we lead Miami because of strength of schedule ( 55/47 ).
2-Rams ( 0-6 ) strength of schedule ( 56/42 ).
3-Dolphins ( 0-6 ) strength of schedule ( 58/42 ).
4-Cardinals ( 1-5 ) strength of schedule ( 45/53 ).
5-Jags ( 1-5 ) strength of schedule ( 53/52 ).
6-Vikings ( 1-5 ) strength of schedule ( 64/43 )
Note how the Cardinals and Jags are in a superior position should the Colts, Rams or Dolphins
‘slip up’ and actually win a game.
Winnable games for the ‘Lucky Six’:
Colts: 2- both Jags games. Carolina and both Titans games are long-shots.
Rams: 5- both Cardinals games, both Seahawks games, Cleveland.
Dolphins: Just Kansas City, and an outside chance vs Washington. Odds-on favorite.
Tebow’s heroics may have doomed our chances-we may need to go winless
to get Luck or boatload of picks.
Cardinals: 4-Rams twice, Seattle, Cleveland.
Jags: 3- Colts twice, Cleveland.
Vikings: 4-Carolina, Denver, Oakland, Washington. Ponder looked good vs. Packers; expect
Minnesota to drop out of the ‘race’.
God Save Our Colts.
Remember the good old days
and our biggest concern was if we were going to get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. So sad we now have to strategically analyze bottom feeders each week.
"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"
Okay.
I don’t care who you are..that right there was funny. };0)
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
I agree we are in a bad way — to put it lightly…. management has failed this team since our Super Bowl win…… I would never trade Manning….. I believe that if he couldnt give 110% to his job, then he would retire…. I think if he took the field next season , he would just be a target for garbage players looking to make a highlight reel…. Fire Caldwell, hire Manning to either be an Offensive Coordinator, a qb’s coach( who better to mentor Andrew Luck him than PM?) Trade Manning? That’s like sellling a Porsche to get a couple of Kia Rios…… you will never get the value you sold…..
Are you kidding?
When Manning was playing, he was the coach. Caldwell and company literally just sat to the side of practices and let Manning run everything(i saw it in the Indianapolis Star somewhere the year we lost the Super Bowl). He would tell even the defense what to do! Now Caldwell was still the coach at games, and choose when to call timeouts and everything(as is obvious by Peyton’s face sometimes), but during practices it was all Peyton, as long as he followed the scheme. I think he’d be a great coach, at least off. coord.
by PMfan on Oct 24, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah. i disagree
he may be a horrible coach.
we dont know. and i doubt with all the money he has taken from irsay, he will want to put all those hours in
dude wont coach. book it
How could he not be able to coach?
He runs the offense, calls the plays, runs practice, has his own camp mentoring kids and college players, is well respected and knows how to pick apart defenses and actually make adjustments
and put all those hours in? the guy puts in every hour he can already. He may not coach for the Colts but he’ll coach.
I dont think they’ll trade the one thing that makes them a contender in this league obviously they need him (as long as he comes back healthy). Keep him and start rebuilding stop making the two things separate he can turn a rookie into a star if they were smart theyd sit Luck for 2 years then he’d be ready and they will stay competitive through the transition. If Manning can take this 62-7 team to the playoffs he can do it with a transitioning team
Some guys just don't have it.
Regardless of the quality of the player, it doesn’t always translate well into running a team or a meeting.
And this isn’t the same team as last year’s, even without Manning.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
well this is actually a better team
with the new draft picks before they all got hurt the Oline was much improving and the D was still bad but thats how its been for a while but Nevis was looking to be a good fit and along with Freeney and Mathis couldve brought havoc to the opposing QBs
Youre right that its possible he could be bad at coaching but it doesnt seem likely with the kind of experience he has and the kind of work he already does that if he wanted to coach he would be good at it but that is of course only if he wanted to
I just thought the post i commented on had very little to support that he would be a horrible coach and seemed overly confident about it
nope
the guy wont coach. he doesnt even want to coach
and some great players dont know how to coach. they cant explain how they just make plays. its just instinct
i heard a coach, cant remember who, say that the best coaches are the guys that went far but didnt have much talent. they didnt have the natural ability but they studied and practiced enough to have some success
So cold…so so cold
All us Colts fans know he speaks the cold hard truth when viewing things from a business standpoint
But as a fan, I hope most other Colts fans are in the same boat as me when I say that Manning can/should never be traded
by manningtoharrison on Oct 24, 2011 7:57 AM EDT reply actions
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