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Recap Of The Bill Polian Show: Week 7, 2011

After Bill Polian's meltdown on the radio following the Colts now-infamous handling of the Week Sixteen game against the New York Jets in 2009, the Colts have blocked the call-in radio program named 'The Bill Polian Show' from Internet listeners. This show features Colts vice chairman Bill Polian, and it allows regular Colts fans to call-in and ask him questions which he, frequently, gets annoyed answering. It is the only Colts content that is not streamed live on the net. Thus, because Colts fans outside the Indianapolis area cannot listen in on the show, we provide highlights from the program, which often include Bill Polian saying things he later claims he did not say. However, since the Colts and Mr. Polian do not provide fans or media with recordings of the show, you'll just have to take our word that what we write below is indeed what Mr. Polian actually said. Hope you enjoy.

Stampede Blue live-tweets the highlights while the show is happening.You can follow Stampede Blue on Twitter at @stampedeblue.

Yes, folks. Colts vice chairman Bill Polian did indeed go through with his weekly radio show one night after his team suffered the worst loss in franchise history at the hands of the Saints.

Before we go into the details, I want to make something clear about the format of the radio show: Callers for Bill's show are heavily screened. In fact, the screening is reportedly more in line with airport security than your normal radio talk show call-in screenings. This is likely due, in part, to Bill getting just a tad pissed when regular fans call him out on his B.S. Thus, all the callers with 'tough' questions are turned away.

However, one caller managed to get through the screening process last night and, with an tinge of anger in his voice, asked a rather tough (but completely fair) question of Sir Bill. The moment was kind of funny, and it got got the attention of noted Indianapolis sports radio personality Jon Michael (JMV) Vincent, who was listening:

I bet somebody just got fired with that call slipping through.

If you want to know how far south things have gone for Bill Polian and Colts fans, look no further than that. He doesn't even want to talk to 'real' fans anymore, and is content to ramble on and on about 'getting back to fundamentals' and 'next man up,' even after he and the Colts embarrassed the city of Indianapolis on national television Sunday night.

Polian didn't even apologize to the fans for the loss. Not once, in 60 minutes of useless blabbering, did the team's leader say 'I'm sorry.'

Yes, Bill Polian is THAT big of an assh*le.

Anyway, here's the reap of a show that, at one time, was really a great call-in radio show. Now, it's just a sad, Faustian tragedy with Bill Polian in the lead role.

  • Bill Polian opened the show by saying the loss was very difficult to deal with. The offense and defense played very poorly, but Bill was happy with the team's special teams play.
  • Bill said he was 'baffled' by the play of the defense. Players are giving 100% effort, but defense is not performing. Said he has no answers to fix defense. Amazingly, Polian used stats ('we're ranked 30th or below in all meaningful defensive statistics') to hammer home just how bad this team is on defense. This from a man who regularly insults people, especially fans, who cite stats to make a point.
  • Bill Polian: Lack of experience in the secondary is not the issue.

Star-divide

  • Polian praised Jim Caldwell several times last night.
  • After the first round of commercial, host Bob Lamey and Polian spoke about the passing of Kent Hull, former Bills center.
  • The first caller didn't really have a question, but rather proclaimed that the Saints loss ''does not affect him at all' and that this Colts team is still good. Yeah, this guy was a moron. This worthless call allowed Bill to ramble on for a few minutes about how the players' collective effort on the field was impressive.
  • Bill Polian: 'Jim Caldwell has done a great job keeping team focused.'
  • Bill then went into insulting the 'talking heads' in the media. ''They have no effect. I don't pay much attention to it.' Both statements are lies, by the way.
  • Polian: 'All that is written or said about team is of no consequence.' So, if you work in Colts P.R., Bill Polian just told you to go fu^k yourself.
  • Polian: 'You don't shrug a loss like this off.'
  • Another silly caller. He asked Polian about how he can 'motivate' the coaches to coach better. Polian responded by saying team must 'do less, not more' and must work on 'fundamentals.'
  • Polian said Colts were sluggish last night. The defense is fatigued.
  • Polian said the team is pressing too much. He also, once again, praised Jim Caldwell for his coaching.
  • A caller asked if Polian took anything positive away from the game. Polian said yes... the punt team played well.
  • Polian: 'I find no fault in the effort of the defense.'
  • Bill Polian hinted that Kerry Collins could return and play for this team after he is cleared from his 'concussion.'
  • A caller asked who, between Chris and Bill, has final say over personnel decisions. Polian responded by saying everything is done via consensus between Bill and Chris. He recalled how, back in 2003, Dungy, Irsay, and Polian had to reach consensus on draft selections. Polian said that, in '03, Dungy wanted to take Tyler Brayton in Round One of the draft while Polian and Irsay wanted Dallas Clark.
  • Interesting note, Polian said that, when Dungy was coach, he was part of the consensus process. Bill did not include Caldwell as a member of that process for the current system of consensus.
  • A caller asked if anything can be done about ' the negativity of sports announcers.' Another screened caller to The Bill Polian Show make us all look and sound extremely stupid.
  • A caller asked how the team 'of this caliber' got caught off guard with Peyton Manning's injury. Polian responded that the salary cap prevented him from addressing the need at QB once Manning went down.
  • Polian: We felt the Curtis Painter was capable of quarterbacking the team, which is why we didn't go out and get a 'big name' quarterback. Curtis' recent play vindicates the decision, or so Bill says. Um, Kerry Collins? $4 million dollars in 2011? Hello!
  • A caller asked why the Colts ran a no-huddle offense to start the game. Polian answered because it was the best way to combat Gregg Williams' 3-4 defense.
  • Near the end, the caller who slipped through the screening process asked if Polian himself is to blame for not bringing in the best players. Bill responded by saying he and the front office could have been better at getting players for the DT and CB positions. 'We could have done a better job there. No question.'
  • Polian: 'Should I have done a better job? You bet.'
  • Lamey and Polian wrapped up the show after that caller.

Thanks for reading, and for those of you who joined us live on Twitter, thanks for following along.

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I have a feeling the Colts are looking for a new CB/DB coach this week...

If that doesn’t happen, Coyer is guaranteed gone at season end. Regardless the entire coaching staff should be nervous for the rest of the year.

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by Mark Olson on Oct 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Coyer

is just the beginning and I doubt they wait til the end of the season.

by FatDT on Oct 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Polian is laying the groundwork for a scapegoat….Coyer. And hopefully Caldwell will follow him at the end of the season. I wonder when it is appropriate to start calling potential HC candidates?

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Oct 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

dunno

but steve spagnola might be available to be the DC…..

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 25, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not,

They’ve been decimated by injury this year.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Oct 26, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me,

But when I see them playing 10 yards deep on 3rd and 5, I think “the coach either doesn’t care if he gets fired, or he’s not going to be fired anyway”.

And a coach that shows he doesn’t care about getting fired won’t get another job in coaching.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Oct 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol good point

but they played the same way under dungy much of the time

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 26, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Dungy and some of his ridiculously conservative

decisions, did a lot to ruin any chance at multiple titles, but Manning still saw to it that they got one super bowl championship, at least.

by Ayrshire on Oct 26, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Up by 3 TDs, you can.

Down by one, and you’re still letting them convert easily? Sounds like the coach doesn’t want to win…

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Oct 27, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm glad to hear that Polian praised Caldwell

and the fine job he’s been doing. I must have been misjudging Mr. Caldwell all this time.

by Ayrshire on Oct 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

He praised Caldwell...

…but not Coyer. I am willing to bet Coyer will be gone very soon.

by RDReynolds on Oct 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know how he can praise any of our coaches.

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope everybody in the coaching staff goes ASAP. And thé Polians too
They are hurting the organization and the fans

I think if they get fired nobody is going to take Caldwell as a HC

I love my Colts and I want the best for them

by Violeta C on Oct 25, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

The way I look at it...

Either Caldwell is a great coach and it is Polians fault for drafting crap players, or Polian has drafted great players and Caldwell has no idea how to coach these players. I would say it is a combination of both. In any other job in the country if someone screwed up this bad they would be fired immediately. What are we waiting for here?

by Colts Forever on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

They are waiting for after the season

Firing people now would mean the Colts get a shot in the arm and COULD actually start winning some games. Keep in mind that the Suck for Luck campaign is alive and well at the top of the organization. The best way to get Luck is to keep bad players, cut good players, keep bad coaches, play defense with 10 yard cushions, etc, etc. Keeping this current cast of front office personnel and coaches for the short term is the best financial move for Irsay (why pay for 2 sets of coaches) while allowing the team to Suck for Luck without the appearance that the Colts are doing it on purpose. Brilliant!

by PurdueBoiler1995 on Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I agree with Polian

The lack of experience in the secondary isn’t the problem.
The lack of TALENT in the secondary is the problem.

by SunnyD1988 on Oct 25, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Secondary and DTs

Haven’t most fans and “experts” been saying that the secondary and DTs have been the problem for years?

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Oct 25, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he drafted those players. Sounds like his fault again.

Yes, he drafted Manning. For that, I am thankful. One great pick in 15 years does not give someone a free pass for the rest of their life. Every employee gets an annual review, or at least should, and it is based on current performance. Not what they did several years ago. I will give Polian credit for Manning and Edge, but over the past 6 or so years he has not performed at the level he should. If Polian stays then we need a coach with an opinion and intelligence to be part of the war room decisions on draft day and draft players they want and need. I know that won’t happen but just hoping.

by Colts Forever on Oct 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way i see it is...

Polian won’t be fired because Polian picked Peyton. Imagine if you worked for a company and over a 10 year period you helped make that company over a billion dollars as well as make them the pride of their industry? You don’t fire those types of people easily. Polian may seem like an logical fire, but i’m sure Jim Irsay feels like he owes him a lot. Without Polian picking up peyton this team would…well..look like it does right now, but the difference is it would’ve looked like this for over 10 years. I think we’re all ready for a change, but Irsay is an idiot who has made a few good personnel decisions. We shall see.

by pattymac on Oct 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Stevie Wonder would have picked Peyton in 1998

Giving Polian credit for drafting Peyton Manning 1st overall is like praising a Powerball Lotto winner for his business acumen.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Oct 25, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was more like winning a coin flip.

People conveniently forget that there was another QB in the 1998 draft, and that he was also considered to be a legitimate #1 selection. That Peyton Manning would be that QB was by no means a foregone conclusion. No one, not one person, predicted the colossal bust that Ryan Leaf would become…especially after the hot two game debut that Leaf had that year.

But that’s the beauty of revisionist history, isn’t it? You saw what a bust Leaf was after 1998…so you must have seen it before he was drafted, too.

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by Chopaholic on Oct 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Exactly

Polian must get the credit for taking Mannin over Leaf. There was truely no consensus as to who was going to be better.

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by TRDean on Oct 25, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't make him a genius

It means he guessed right. I give Polian more credit for picks like Mathis and Bethea in later rounds than for picking Manning first.

by FatDT on Oct 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of.

On one hand, pick Peyton, because he’s 99% certain to be at least a good NFL QB for the next 15 years. On the other, Pick Leaf, and you might have the best QB in the league in 3 years’ time.

He made the good choice for a struggling franchise looking to get up to 8-8 and beyond, the Chargers would have made a good choice if they already had LdT and were an good NFL team looking for the extra piece to get to the Super Bowl.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

while many teams liked leaf

i doubt many teams would have taken leaf over manning. i mean if u looked at there resumes and read anything about their personalities the decision wasn’t that difficult.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Leaf was a media favorite. It’s much like the Reggie Bush syndrome. When you look at his stats, he was an exciting player in college who was very successful. When you consider his game film, what he did to college athletes wouldn’t be nearly as effective against NFL talent. The same can be said about a JaMarcus Russell/Akili Smith. The media gets everyone excited about the players, but if you take an impartial view, it turns out to be hype. No one expected Bush to be as bad as he is, but you can understand why he didn’t end up being the best ever.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
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by Mark Olson on Oct 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

funny you mention reggie bush

i remember seeing him at usc an thinking “no way does he get the space to perform those moves in the nfl.” and i’m just a bozo sitting on my couch. reggie bush would have been a great nfl player……had he been drafted in 1965.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 25, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOT TRUE

This is simply not true. Manning was considered the safer pick but with not as much upside as Leaf. Both players were considered worthy of the #1 choice. A lot of people didn’t think that Manning would improve that much in the pros while many thought Leaf would improve greatly. He was the better athlete and had the better arm. The Colts took a long time in their evaluation of the players and finally picked Manning.

Look, you can bust on Polian all day long, but when it came to the biggest personnel decision in Colt’s history he got it right and deserves the credit.

by javen on Oct 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

when it comes draft time

teams say a lot of crap. remember the alex smith/aaron rodgers debate? everybody loved aaron rodgers, but then he slips to 24. yes, some of that had to do with some teams not needing qb’s, but some teams were just blowing smoke.
and no, i want give him that much credit. sorry, it’s my opinion, that when push came to shove the VAST majority of teams would have taken manning. and that’s not blasting polian, it’s just my opinion.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 25, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A drunken bum on the street would

have had at least at 50/50 chance of getting it right. Hardly a major accomplishment.

by Ayrshire on Oct 25, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Peyton Manning was always the clear choice

The Parcel Led Jets were pleading for him to leave Tennessee the year before so he could be the #1 Pick in 1997.

He was a starter all 4 years for a top 5 team.

Ryan Leaf was a 1 year wonder from a weak football school who had a decent year and a good combine workout.

There was a very clear 1 and 2 even at the time. And 32 out of 32 GM’s would have taken Peyton.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Oct 25, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

AGAIN, NOT TRUE

This is revisionist history. Many in the league preferred Manning but almost as many preferred Leaf and his perceived upside. I don’t know where you get this stuff.

by javen on Oct 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOOK UP

just google ny daily news archives for 4/5/98 and you will get a very good idea of what the debate was about.

by javen on Oct 25, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

Here in Tampa everyone was talking about the Peyton Manning sweepstakes. I rarely even heard Leaf’s name mentioned.

by Ayrshire on Oct 25, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not

during the draft process. Why did Beatherd give up so much much to move up a spot to take Leaf? He was considered a franchise quarterback by everyone in the league. Simply revisionist history.

by javen on Oct 25, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's why they place much more stock into a person's character nowadays...

because busts like Leaf were much easier to spot but they were just ignored by way of his arm strength. Ryan Leaf from 1998 wouldn’t even crack the 1st round nowadays due to heavy character issues…(see Ryan Mallet).

by SoCalHoosier on Oct 26, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys with character issues don't crack the first round because of Leaf.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Oct 26, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Polian didn't want Dallas Clark?

And yet another dent in the imaginary armor of the supposed draft genius.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Oct 25, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Better read that again...
Dungy wanted to take Tyler Brayton in Round One of the draft while Polian and Irsay wanted Dallas Clark.

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Oct 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

So instead of being a "dent in the imaginary armor of the supposed draft genius,"

What would an intellectually honest person have to say about that armor now?

I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman

by Chopaholic on Oct 25, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

CLARK

is a much better fit for the Colts offense in that he can split seams and stretch the field in ways that Witten can’t. Witten is still a very good player but the Colts liked the speed dimension that Clark brought to the offense.

So are we going to second guess all of Polian’s successful picks now?

by javen on Oct 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he stretches the field better

why do they both average 11.4 yards per catch? i like dallas, but i’m taking witten over him everytime.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

SO

Clark wasn’t a good pick for Indy? They don’t win the Super Bowl without him. Are you one of those guys who looks at draft picks and then 3 years later tells everyone who they should have picked?
Second guess much? Clark worked out great and the Colts are lucky to have him.

by javen on Oct 25, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you always

make stuff up and put words in peoples mouth?? were did i say any of that. if you even bothered to read my very short post i clearly said i like clark…..witten is just a better player. not the end of the world.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Oct 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first caller didn’t really have a question, but rather proclaimed that the Saints loss ‘’does not affect him at all’ and that this Colts team is still good. Yeah, this guy was a moron. This worthless call allowed Bill to ramble on for a few minutes about how the players’ collective effort on the field was impressive.

How can you say anything was impressive about that game? This man is talking out his ass to save face.

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Oct 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

"talking out his ass to save face"

This is only something you can do when you have your head shoved so far up your own butthole!

by FatDT on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

We haven't had much talk about Clyde Christiansen

It’s interesting taht he has been lost in the mix, but it appears he has been exposed as an offensive coordinator without PM. Offensive game plans have been worthless for the most part and when they have worked, the Colts haven’t been able to respond to the opposing team’s in game adjustments. The most success has come in a 2 minute drill or two by Painter or when the run has put a team on their heels. This coaching staff gives up on the run too easily which could be the bread and butter for not just the offense but the defense. The defense is tired and needs rest. Give the ball to Carter, Addai, and Brown and force the issue. If the run doesn’t work at least take some time off of the clock.

The more I’ve though about it this morning, the more I think Christiansen should be the person most fearful of losing his job. It’s clear PM has been taking over most of the OC duties the last few years…

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— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Oct 25, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Has anyone here ever called in to this show?

I am interested in how they screen callers. Couldnt someone call in and say they were just going to tell Bill what a great job he is doing and then when they go live just rip into him?

by Odin1980 on Oct 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

I wondered that myself.

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Oct 25, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i called last year

no issue getting thru. they asked, i told them: i have a question about jerry hughes (when would he play) and about their physical prep (due to all the injuries-i wondered if our people were up to speed). i got thru, asked the questions. jerry weas ‘coming along’ and the training aspect was misinterpreted as training room rather than off season regimen. but i have no issue with that. got thru pure and simple. i would add that the callers we are hearing typically arent challenging anyone. i am not sure that is a screening issue. i think the dopes (myself excluded, naturally) call, and the brilliant bloggers (all you readers) dont. DO YOU???

by Bluetime on Oct 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Polian is a stupid stubborn prick

Giving Collins 4 million and then turning around and say he knew Painter was capable all along?

Go fuck yourself Polian

by manningtoharrison on Oct 25, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

He might as well just say

“Everything I do is right and I never make any mistakes” and then end the show every week.

by FatDT on Oct 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Oct 25, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

easy guys

no need for profanity! it’s just the indianapolis franchise of the american rules football league.

by Bluetime on Oct 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

The first caller made me embarressed to live in Indiana

‘I find no fault in the effort of the defense.’
What?
What?

Fire Caldwell.

by Ram27 on Oct 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Maybe he found a secret way to call in from Kentucky

Long string and can?

"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"

by PV Mike on Oct 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kerry Collins could return?

What a joke to say on Monday as the Colts just put him on IR this afternoon.

"Screw the NBA, where is my red, white and blue basketball"

by PV Mike on Oct 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Baffled by the defense?

Look at the players that Polian has fielded a defense with….most all of them are either UDFAs, low end draft picks, castoffs from other teams, or aging veterans who may be slowly quitting on the team.

I still don’t understand how cutting Tryon was a good move for the defense.

I have been baffled at how the team and Polians can continue to field such a poor defense for all these years and get away with it. The amount of pressure put on Manning’s back at the start of each game is enough to break a lesser mans spine.

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Oct 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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