Watershed Moment: 18to88.com Finally Wrote Article Critical Of Colts Front Office
No one carries more water for the Bill Polian-controlled front office than 18to88.com's Nate Dunlevy.
No, seriously. Dunlevy seems more blindly loyal to the Polian family than anyone currently working at West 56th Street, and that includes Bill's own sons who hold top executive spots in the Colts front office.
Now, normally, I wouldn't consider a blog post critical of the Colts front office to be anything major or significant. The Colts are 0-8. Their fall is unprecedented, and everyone is rightly blaming the front office because, well, they are the ones in charge. Unlike everyone else on the planet, Nate Dunlevy has spent much of the 2011 season not writing anything critical of Bill or Chris Polian despite the terrible first half of the season and the piss poor work of the front office. For Nate, the Colts problems are the fault of the coaches, the players, or the dreaded 'media' that Nate seems to have a near paranoid hatred for.
The irony, of course, is that Nate Dunlevy is the media despite his repeated, bizarre attempts to claim he isn't.
However, yesterday Nate decided to change course. I guess seeing the team fall to 0-8, and the way in which they fell, was the last straw. Nate actually wrote an article that was a bit of a shot at the Colts front office.
Finally. Friggin finally!
Oh sure, in this article, Nate's logic is flawed and slanted to suggest that while the Polians have screwed up royally, the 0-8 season isn't their fault. One minute he's finally acknowledging that Jerry Hughes is indeed a 'bust' (after saying as recently as August that such talk was a 'rush to judgment'), and the next he's barking that anyone arguing that the Colts haven't drafted well in recent years 'is not being objective.'
But, for a man who, to this day, refuses to acknowledge that Tony Ugoh was a bust, I call this latest article progress.
Nate doesn't call for Bill Polian's head despite listing some pretty damning things against him. Firing Bill Polian and his sons would, according to Nate, destroy the franchise. He also says anyone demanding the Polians be dismissed is 'incredibly short-sighted or rankly self-involved,' and that if Polian and his sons are indeed terminated at season's end, the people calling for their dismissal now 'will be held accountable.'
For me, that last part is a bit troubling. Almost borders on a threat. Someone hold me, please.
I do find it rather convenient that, after months of fanatically defending Bill Polian and the front office against anyone who criticized them, Nate has decided to change his tune at about the same time his normal traffic feeder (Paul Kuharsky at ESPN) has been pretty openly critical the Polians on some local Indianapolis radio stations. When Paul started yapping about how the Polians should be 'held accountable' for this season, Nate didn't lash out against him as he's been known to do to other Polian critics (like me, for instance). I guess Nate now has to agree with Paul because, if you haven't already guessed, should you disagree with Nate you're labeled 'incredibly short-sighted or rankly self-involved.' Nate's not going to say such things about Paul Kuharsky because Nate gets eyeballs on his site from Paul Kuharsky.
I touched on this in my regime change article a few weeks ago, but one of the reasons I want Bill Polian gone from the Indianapolis Colts front office is the man does more to divide Colts fans these days than unite them. Nate touched on this in his article, but placed the focus on how Polian has treated the media poorly, not acknowledging the fanbase's bitter divide. From Nate's writing, I've always gotten the sense that he thinks fans who want Polian gone aren't really fans, which is to suggest that anyone who disagrees with Nate isn't really a fan. This, above all else, is the reason why I don't get along well with Nate. He exudes an elitism that rubs me the wrong way.
Part of me wants the Polians gone because I am tired of reading fanatics like Nate bashing anyone who has a critical thought or notion against them. I'm tired of telling Nate that it's silly to hold critics of the Polians more accountable than the Polians themselves. I mean, all the supposed critics are doing is pointing out what the front office has done wrong. Attacking them while giving the people doing the 'wrong' a free pass is just shooting the messenger.
If Jim Irsay fired the Polians and Nate wants to hold me personally 'accountable,' fine. Whatever. Even though that line of thinking is completely and totally insane, at least it will give us something new to argue about rather than rehashing the same old crap. For now, I'm just happy that he FINALLY wrote something critical about them. I guess I can't expect him to come completely over to the side of reason on the Polian subject in one big leap. That he's come this far is a fairly sizable Internet miracle.
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He also said the Joseph Addai is the 2nd best Running back in the NFL
And he made up the stats to prove it…..
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by aaronb on Oct 31, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Two men walk in . . .one man crawls out
Sounds like a terrific cage match ! Who rubbed whom the wrong way first, I ponder ?
Hmmm i take the one living in the basement...
all that pent up anger of living in moms basement or whatever saturday pictured makes me believe the virgin would stomp the yard! another fight i pay to see… bill polian versus bobby knight!
by Straight Out The Burbs on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
It seems BBS really dislikes well-reasoned arguments backed by facts, where angry rants should suffice, and ND dislikes angry rants based on personal grudges, so it is pretty mutual.
Agreement
BBS: “Part of me wants the Polians gone because I am tired of reading fanatics like Nate bashing anyone who has a critical thought or notion against them.”
I agree wholeheartedly!
Its getting really tiresome reading fanatical opinions about the Polians.
by thsunga on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
BBS
Irsay will not fire the Polians no matter how much we want that. We are stuck with them. But maybe we can at least get rid of Caldwell and Coyer. Irsay thinks Polian is God.
by SRBradford on Oct 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Was this article necessary ?
Why don’t you guys just get in a fist fight or something ?
by blacktobias on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
why?
In a previous article, it was stated that we had arguably our best draft in a long time and it was at the hand of Chris Polian. If Chris can continue this type of work, then why do we want him gone? Bill won’t be around that much longer….he’s aging and he’s handing off to his kid. No need to dump the baby out with the bath water.
i have a feeling that if Chris' last name wasn't Polian
we would be talking about how Chris (insert fake last name) is the future of the Colts and Bill Polian needs to step aside and do his thing, while firing every coach we can throw a stick at. Just a thought….
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by danorocks17 on Oct 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dano has something here.........
I can’t find fault with Chris’ draft. Sure as hell find fault with Mr. Bill though.
Don't Jump too Quick
The first 3 picks aren’t playing and really did not last long. Promise , yes, but Bob Sanders had that and a lot more but ended up hurting the team because they held onto hope that never happened. I know it’s too early to give up on them but the Colts history is not good on these matters. Sanders was not the only one they held onto too long.
by MrBoJangles46 on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to hold that against Chris...
If you continue to draft and sign injury-prone players, then you’re an idiot and should be held accountable when those players continue to get injured…
But I believe Castonzo and Ijalana were both 4-year starters who never missed a game. And I’m unsure of Nevis’ injury history. Them being injured now isn’t an indictment on Chris Polian.
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It has turned into a blood feud
For BBS that is. But then again Saturday mentioned his mother, so maybe it is called for.
He exudes an elitism that rubs me the wrong way.
Yes.
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by coldy4goldy on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You don’t get along with Nate because he uses stats and facts (clearly elitist material) where as you run a gossip column concerned primarily with hits over truth or reason
by udllama on Oct 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Careful what you wish for!
I agree that Bill Polian is an arrogant a** but firing him would likely set the organization back.
Coltzilla posted an article today which succinctly points out that while the Polians have had more “misses” than normal in recent years, the draft results are still above average despite the consistent proclamations on here that would suggest otherwise!
by canadiancoltsfan on Oct 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
wow.....
Nate needs needs some of those sunglasses that Caldwell was wearing… Can you imagine the Polians, Caldwell and Nate at the busied bar together…….wow! Not even that would excite those guys! Most dillusional group I have ever seen!
by sundaywager on Oct 31, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
polian show
I cannot to hear what Polian has to say tonight
by sundaywager on Oct 31, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Penning a post like this is pretty much the very definition of “rankly self-involved,” for what it’s worth.
by willyduer on Oct 31, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
I agree
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Oct 31, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
well
you’re both obviously elitist’s.
by coltsfan89 on Oct 31, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
isn't everyone?
in some way or another
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on Nov 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I marvel
It’s amazing how you can take any subject, BBS, and make it about you. This article is nothing more than your vehicle to heap disdain on a fellow blogger who didn’t happen to agree with everything you say.
by Genghis Sean on Oct 31, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Pathetic
I visit your site daily, but this article is just pathetic. It shows a complete lack of self-awareness. You are critical of Nate’s claim that anyone who wants the Polians gone are “incredibly short-sighted or rankly self-involved,” yet in your article you imply that anyone defending the Polians is a fanatic. The Kuharsky bit was especially bizarre. Take a deep breath, BBS.
by LetsGoHorse on Oct 31, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
dude stop...
you need to chill with the Polian hate. Yes, he’s had his share of busts, but as you say there is plenty of talent on the team; Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, etc. If talent isn’t the problem, then coaching and execution definitely is.
And seriously stop, you’re celebrating because somebody bashes Bill Polian? Get a lfie.
by ColtRock on Oct 31, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Wayne, Freeney, Mathis...
Have all been around for what, 8+ years?
A handful of players don’t make a team talented. Have we acquired some solid players over the past few years? Yes – Angerer, Nevis, Bethea, Collie/Garcon, Powers. But that isn’t star material. You don’t win a SB with a couple of old stars and a handful of decent starters.
Add in the fact that this team absolutely refuses to sign any big-name Free Agents, and it compounds any draft mistakes. Imagine if Donald Brown was a legitimate RB in this league – we wouldn’t have had to spend $13 million to re-sign J. Addai and we wouldn’t have had to spend a 4th round pick on D. Carter. Imagine if Tony Ugoh actually was our franchise LT, we wouldn’t have had to spend our 1st and 2nd round picks this year on Tackles, and our line wouldn’t be a laughing stock around the NFL. Imagine if A. Gonzalez was R. Wayne’s replacement, or at least a legit starting WR – we wouldn’t have to (probably) re-sign Wayne to an over-priced contract. If Jerry Hughes was a good pick, we wouldn’t have to (probably) re-sign R. Mathis to an over-priced contract. It’s a ripple effect. We’ve been spinning the tires at RB, DL, OL, CB, and S because of our draft failures. And you wonder why we have no secondary, no ability to stop the run, and a terrible offensive line.
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by kmbryant09 on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just too much hatred all around -
I don’t get the ‘calling out Nate’ stuff, honestly. I’ve looked at some of the other team blogs and there just isn’t this much hatred, both in posting and the articles. Sorry to be a goody-goody type. Even teams that are getting waylaid now and never have been any good don’t have so many bashing articles. And 18to88 provides a balanced approach to reporting – and even admits being wrong sometimes. No reason to bash Nate or that site.
Look, times are really tough on this team this year. Something unexpected happened that the entire front office was not prepared to handle. That’s the worst you can say. Caldwell is not aggressive because he didn’t have to be. He let Manning do that. We lived high on the hog and did very well. We did it with an upstanding team that people had a hard time hating (see Patriots). And we will get back to that – probably next year. This year is shot and should be used to try out various players and decide who we should keep. It does confuse me as to why Gonzales is not allowed to play.
Overall, my take is that it’s ALL due to having a poor QB. We have so many three and outs now that our D gets gassed. Or we get a massive stop, only to have our QB throw three incomplete passes in a row. Painter was so terrible initially that we somehow think he’s acceptable now. He’s just not. So in my opinion, it does come down to having a team built around an elite QB and then losing that QB. It’s taking a long time to figure out what to do. And as others have said, we have to run the ball. Run run run. Crazy that we pass so much when we have a QB that’s an average to terrible passer.
But, back to my original point – I suggest, BBS, that you stop with the ranting articles and instead post observations with empirical evidence to support it. I have friends who are Redskins fans, Rams fans, Chiefs fans, Dolphin’s fans, etc. and they laugh at me because they go thru this every year with their team. They’re not constantly demanding the heads of the coaching staff, front office, cheerleaders, mascot. Do they want to win? Yep! But it’s hard to win in a very competitive NFL.
Geez, I rambled there. Sorry. I enjoy reading most of the articles on the site. I enjoy the posting when it’s not personal attacks. Let’s try to keep an even keel, shall we? Because the more you do not, and the more you blast 18to88, the more you’re going to lose readers.
If Painter throws three incompletions in a row it’s only partially his fault. There’s no reason that our OC should ever be calling a series like that.
"near paranoid hatred"
BBS saying someone else has a “near paranoid hatred” for something is hilarious. Self aware, much?
Just because you're paranoid....
Doesn’t mean that they aren’t out to get you!
by RxColt on Oct 31, 2011 8:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Emperor has No Clothes...
BBS is correct…..the truth hurts!
But only for a second, Loretta!
by RxColt on Oct 31, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Big Jim Parker has left the field
When have the colts drafted a QB and required him to tight end? If he was, chances are he’d fail; and later cut. We gave it shot with the lineman. Over the years I’d just assumed Tarik Glenn was drafted to play that position; Jeff Saturday was picked to play center, Freeney drafted to play defensive end as well as Manning was picked to play QB. The best available player may no longer be a practice; succession planning should replace it. It was applied with E. James; a corner here and there; and wide receiver.
In addition to remodeling the players, the new business model for the franchise needs attention. I thought the Colts would play a Superbowl in their own stadium.
Psychologically, the blow to our egos would have been severe if we made it to the Superbowl at home and did not win it. So bring in Tony Ugoh, linebackers like Wheeler and Huges and coach them to their strengths. If not we once again kill their football fire. Big Jim Parker may you rest in Peace.
by Leroystayclean on Oct 31, 2011 9:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BBS, your "fire the Polians" argument would hold more weight if....
you knew who Irsay would/could hire in his place. Having run multiple organizations both in the military and in the business world, one thing I have learned is this…it is all well and good to fire somebody, but you had better know who you are going to hire in his or her place. The Raiders are a perfect example…..you can fire somebody, but the next guy (and the next and the next) might be a lot worse. If Manning were still playing, you’d have nothing to complain about. We’d have lost to the Texans and the Saints and won every other game and be first in the division. I am not carrying water for the Polians, I agree they have drafted VERY poorly and it has hurt the franchise. Even with Manning, this is NOT a Super Bowl team and that is fault of the drafting. Agreed.
But back off the rhetoric because it is getting boring and tired.
by sabdal on Oct 31, 2011 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Reading BBS posts is like reading a tabloid. Just some made up BS and turning everything into attacks on him. If this year were like every other year for the Colts this guy would be praising the Polians and their ability to put together a team. The fact of the matter is 18to88 puts true facts and accurate statements out there. If I want information about the Colts I go to that site. If I feel like reading today’s tabloid and hate filled articles I visit this site.
by labrizzy on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
hahahaha "true facts and accurate statements"
Could your logic be anymore flawed and slanted? This is a blog dude, no place for journalistic integrity or standards of any kind. Why have one well written article outlining an opinion when three a day will do?!
Take advice from your loyal readers? F that – that’s pandering. And this isn’t that blog. You don’t like it? Well you can just smd because we’re number 4 in page hits!!! That must mean we’re doing something right….if you disagree you’re just a schmuck like me.
How about taking the advice of the players on the team we cover? Well s—t man they’re clearly just fanatics who are too close to the situation to be objective. It’s actually one of the most respected players in the entire league who has no integrity. Duh. That guy has NO idea of what he said…Jerry Hughes must have taken him out for drinks before giving that quote. Speaking of Jerry Hughes, remember that special teams assignment he blew? Bust. Donald Brown, Tony Ugoh, Bill Polian, Chris Polian, Jim Caldwell, Nate Dunlevy, Anthony Gonzalez. Wait, what was i talking about again?
Cue fart noise.
by coltsfan89 on Nov 1, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOUD NOISES!
If at first you don't succeed, quit and watch TV.
In the name of the Colts, the Hoosiers, and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Amen.
by The Learned Hand on Nov 1, 2011 6:53 AM EDT reply actions
polian
is too conservative. his discipline and overall approach in staying the course and building slowly will BUILD a solid franchise but his conservative DNA are an issue in getting a franchise over the top, IMO. i wish he could work in tandem with someone a bit younger and more dynamic, lending a guiding hand, but not having as much of a say, just influencing things. hasnt been that way in the past, and dont think chris polian has shown us (yet) that he is the guy. not sure if he ever will be.

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