Monday Night Football Recap: Buccaneers 24, Colts 17
by Brad Wells on Oct 4, 2011 12:25 AM EDT
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The positives mostly surround the play of Curtis Painter. Yeah, the completion percentage was crap, with CP7 hitting 13-30, but the two long touchdown throws to Pierre Garcon (87 and 59 yards) were outstanding. Absolutely outstanding.
The negatives are the very thing that has defined this franchise the last few years more than wins or championships: Injuries.
Lots and lots and lots of injuries.
Eric Foster had a truly gruesome leg injury in the second quarter, an injury that looks career threatening. Drake Nevis had back issues. Anthony Castonzo was knocked out in the first quarter with an ankle injury. Ben Ijalana, who stepped in for Castonzo at left tackle, left in the third with a knee injury.
In one game, picks one through three in the 2011 NFL Draft went down... bang, bang, bang.
It's frustrating. It's disheartening. It's time for the Colts to seriously reevaluate their training and conditioning staff. Injuries happen. I know. But, crippling injuries happen to the Colts far too often for it to be 'normal.'
Still, despite the injuries, this team battled. Prior to LeGarrette Blount's 35-yard touchdown late in the fourth quarter, the run defense for the Colts had been outstanding, limiting Blount to 4 yards a carry.
Overall, the effort made the game enjoyable to watch. Lots of heart in Indianapolis. Lots of pride. But, heart and pride were not enough to pull out a win tonight.
The Colts are 0-4. This season is over. The Colts are not going to make the post-season after starting winless for the first quarter of the season.This is the first time since 1998, Peyton Manning's rookie year, that Indy has been this bad. Yes, there are things to build from, but 0-4 is 0-4. There is nothing 'positive' about 0-4. Nothing 'good' that can be taken from it.
0-4 is bad. Really bad. And with all these injuries, this team could be winless for a while now.
Big props to Painter, Garcon, Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Kavell Conner, and Pat Angerer for playing balls-to-the-wall tonight. It would be great is effort and toughness were enough. Unfortunately, this team has too many flaws and too many injuries to win.
0-4.
Yeah, this season really f*cking sucks.
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Injuries are seriously putting a damper on my enthusiasm
It’s becoming increasingly difficult to cheer for the backup to the backup to the backup to the UDFA…….
As a lifelong Colts fan...
This was the game where I accept we will only win1-3 games this year….
by AZ_Colt_Fan on Oct 4, 2011 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Injuries kill me
I can’t take it anymore… as if peyton isnt enough we have to have every other tom dick and harry go down. Its totally ridiculous and isnt normal. Every team does not go through this. Painter was impressive he definitely knows this offense. I just want to continues to see this team fight like they did the last two weeks and look forward to next season
feel bad for Painter.
Peyton would’ve been in trouble with that offensive line.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey
by infinityzero.systemerror on Oct 4, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
Any chance the Lions are interested in trading....
Stafford/Johnson/Suh for Painter/Garcon/Hughes? We can even throw in Brown as a bonus.
stafford sucks balls
but i suppose ur post was facetious anyhow
by ColtKing on Oct 4, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coaching was bad
The bubble screen was a great play call, but non-challenges, poor balance, and bad defensive scheming defined this loss for me. The players did all they could but the coaching staff was not up to task. Something has to change…
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Oct 4, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
should have had a plethora of bubble screens and quick outs..
to combat the house of dogs that was being consistently sent Curtis’s way. We should have Tom brady’s first 5 years of QB playbook for Painter. Non-Stop quick outs and slants. it would have worked
by ColtKing on Oct 4, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it wouldn't have.
In Tom Brady’s first 5 years, the Patriots were a dominant – yes, dominant – defense. They also had a decent-better-then-average run-game with Cory Dillon, and, really up until 2007-2008, were a balanced defense-offense team. The Colts haven’t been balanced for years, if ever.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Oct 4, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Decent TO better then average, is what I meant.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Oct 4, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
agree about tom's team at the time
but what does that have to do with my suggestion of using a Tom-first-5-year-type-of-playcalls? lol talking about offensive play calling here nothing more.
Well, it may be a good idea,
I just meant don’t expect it to turn out as well as it did for the Pats.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Oct 4, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Coaches Blow
Why our linebackers and corners are 15 yards off constantly I’ll never understand. Our coaches need fired. At least we got one up on Baltimore, Irsay is sober…
I have typically defended the Colts mgt and coaches from criticism that seems unfounded
BUT THIS 10 YARD CUSHION AND LEAVING THE 5 ACRE PAR THREE GREEN IN THE MIDDLE WAS FREAK’N STUPID. JUST STUPID. It was also emabarrasing. You could hear the broadcast booth suppressing a laugh as they talked about it.
This is no the players fault. This either a stragegic decision or inability to adjust what is happening. That cost the game, not Blount.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
by indylator on Oct 4, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agree
Coaching, or a lack of coaching actually, cost the team this game.
If this coaching staff isn’t completely replaced, top to bottom in the off-season, it’s going to be hard to root for this team. Bad coaching has cost this team a lot of wins, including a SuperBowl.
What do I really have left in life but this place? It ain't much of a home, but it's all I got. Well, g******it. I'll be damned if I let some foreign, graffiti writin', soul suckin', son of a bitch in an oversized cowboy hat and boots take my friend's souls and sh** 'em down the visitors toilet!
Totally agree. ESPN booth was laughing at the defensive play calling cause of the cushions they were giving and not making ANY adjustments.
I’m truly surprised we’ve been keeping opponents from blowing us out constantly. I believe our improved run defense has helped with that.
I truly hate this soft Tampa-2 coverage!!!!
Seriously need to pick up a CB and S in the first couple of rounds next year. Our secondary is so gawd awful other than Bethea.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
by Sparhawk on Oct 4, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More importantly,
we need to pick up a coach next year.
by Ayrshire on Oct 4, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the sooner the better
Maybe these players can lean how to play well now instead of waiting 8 months and practicing these terrible habits they are currently working on.
2nd and 33 or whatever it was.
we were 35 yards deep,Litterally playing behind the 1st down marker.
by sandtiger812 on Oct 4, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least Tepper played well
And I mean that seriously. Foster now owns my respect, gotta love his heart. Angerer good when permitted by Coyer. Needs to tell Coyer to shove it sideways. Painter did Meh, i’ll take it. Peyton so disheartened it’s depressing me. Not using any of our fucking receivers. White/Gonzo/etc.
by DaHart85 on Oct 4, 2011 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Officials were bad too
Funny even Gruden said that officials must have just gotten sick of throwing the flag for offensive holding because of all the missed obvious calls.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by Mark Olson on Oct 4, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that is EXACTLY what i was thinking..
10 seconds before Gruden said that. That non-call on holding freeney cost us the game practically. Freeman (who i am not very impressed with by the way; the ass kissing of him by the broadcast crew was unjustified; i could have made throws with 15 yard cushions of no defenders in the middle of the field) ran for 9 yards on that non-call play and that drive was our demise. Defense was depleted after that drive and O-Line had no chance with Link in as the LT
by ColtKing on Oct 4, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The non-hold call on Freeney
with ~5 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter was the straw that broke the camels back. If the Colts get that call, who knows what happens. It puts the Bucs in a farther hole instead of getting a first down. I’m not saying the Bucs wouldn’t have won, but that was a key play at a critical moment and the refs blew the call.
The non hold call on the TD in the 4th.
Davin Joseph was holding Foster.
by sandtiger812 on Oct 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Caldwell has got to be
the most conservative coach on the planet. Are you kidding me? Punting with 3 minutes left, with our Swiss cheese defense? The only chance they had at making a comeback was by going for it. Typical. And the pathetically bad ‘prevent cushion defense’ that does nothing but prevent our offense from getting back on the field, is really coaching at it’s absolute worst.
by Ayrshire on Oct 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
what was it 3rd and 16 from our 12?
trust me, he frustrates me too but punting there was a must. Blame the O-line there and nothing else.
Punting was not a must. Trust me.
They needed to go for it. At least that would have given them a chance…..a much better chance than the alternative. And, you saw the result of the alternative, didn’t you? Sometime you need to fucking ‘go for it’ to have a shot…..something Caldwell knows nothing about.
hold your horses.
you are talking about our last drive when it was like 4th and 16 and our line couldn’t hold anyone back? ok thought so, i think i’ll have to disagree. way more things to nit pick about than punting on 4th there in my opinion lol
We needed 5 yards.
And, we really only had time for that one drive. I’d trust Painter to make a 5 yard pass and keep the drive alive before I would trust punting to them and then holding them, and ultimately having enough time to do anything productive,….as in winning the game. So, you have your opinion and I have mine. Again, we saw what punting the ball resulted in.
by Ayrshire on Oct 4, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it was.4th and 5...not 16.
If the d was playing well I don’t have a problem with it. But the other team had just run it right down your throat…and your d line is decimated with injuries.
Caldwell has absolutely no feel for the game whatsoever. When average Joe fan at home is more tuned into what I’d going on, you are screwed
by ruascott on Oct 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks ruascott.
You get it. This is another example of horrible time-management by Caldwell. Punting in the middle of the game is one thing. But, when you have that little time remaining in the game, you need to try to give it one last hurrah on the drive, and maybe you get lucky and complete the 5 yard gain. At least it gives you a chance. No guts, no glory. Same story with this pathetic joke of a coaching staff. There’s not even a thimble-full of testosterone in the whole Colts’ coaching staff.
Punting is never a must.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by ISN on Oct 4, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Coyer is fired they should do it from about 30 yards away to provide the Coyer cushion
@IndyVerm
by VermVerm on Oct 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
i loathe Cushion Coyer too
what a bunch of incompentent morons we have running this team
Hey. You just came up with a new phrase.
We should now refer to the ridiculous cushion as the ‘Coyer cushion’. I wish it would go away for good.
Brilliant!
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
“Overall, the effort made the game enjoyable to watch. Lots of heart in Indianapolis. Lots of pride. But, heart and pride were not enough to pull out a win tonight”
Ya pretty much sums it up right there…it’s going to be a long year. I guess we could go on and on about what sucks and what is improving but I’m with you on the year being over with. I thought if we could be 3-3 at Week 6 or something that would be great.
I will still watch and still cheer for the COLTS, not saying you guys won’t, but it is going to be a very long year.
Photoshop Fun
To either raise a few spirits or get completely destroyed by you all.
If you don’t laugh you cry Colts fans
We have to be careful about this.
Minnesota, Miami and St. Louis are winless also but Miami wouldn’t pass up on him.
by kferguson2002 on Oct 4, 2011 12:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
minnesota would be foolish to pass on him, as well.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
call me crazy but the colts aren't looking to get LUCKy
Yes, I actually am serious. Don’t think they are willing to tie up QB top 2 money to a guy who will sit on the bench presumably for at least 3 years (assuming peyton will be back next year as expected). Would rather trade down, re-tool over the roster and have on of the extra first picks we trade down to on a QB (ex: between 9-15 overall). We should re-tool backup QB but more importantly SS, LB, more OLINE, CB
by ColtKing on Oct 4, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They'd be idiots for passing on a franchise QB
yet I’m sure there were folks who wanted to build around Jim Harbaugh instead of drafting Peyton in 98.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
ya, about 50-55%
thought Leaf was the right choice over manning. How many passed on Aaron Rogers where he went what like 15th overall? lol we’re not drafting for a guy to play right away anyway. The media likes the discussion but if Manning is really expected to be 100% next year then moving down and having additional 1st picks is more valuable and we’ll get someone with a shitload of talent that will have 3 years to be groomed
Difference is that Luck will be 22 next year. Peyton will be 36
It’s just a hard cold fact that nobody can play forever. Certainly not a foregone conclusion that Peyton can play at a Peyton level for 3-4 more years.
Gotta be prepared for the future. Nobody is bigger than the franchise or the city.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
not trying to be rude
but please remember to factor in cap-space and contract on a top 2-overall QB that isn’t expected to play for 3 years. you do realize that Qbs in the top 3 picks of the draft will account for far more than players at other positions even if we kept the pick (i’m arguing to trade down to have 2 1st picks but that’s another story) right??? It’s just not realistic. have to high 1sts and high picks in each other round and re-tool. we’ll still get a good qb prospect in the first while trading down because someone will be salivating at the thought of Luck
just to clarify
i meant not counted on playing for 3 years (Assuming manning is 100% next year as expected). Other teams will happily pay and have him learn from game 1 like peyton’s rookie year. but we cannot just give out the highest contract in football history to manning and pay a ransom for a rookie not expected to play (for us anyway) for 3 years. trade down, have 2 really good 1st picks all of a sudden and a high pick in each round – a really good re-tooling year so-to-speak. one of our two 1st round picks (if we trade down) can still be used on an extremely talented QB. Don’t get drunk with the Luck talk – it’s less realistic than you are taking account for in my opinion
What team have you been watching the last 15 years?
The difference between a franchise QB in today’s NFL and an average QB prospect. Is the difference between the Colts and the Raiders over the last decade.
We can fill any need on the roster through free agency and rounds 2-7 in a draft. You ain’t getting a 22 year old franchise QB in free agency. Especially not in a market like Indy.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
splash some water in your face kid
go look up some hall of fame QBs and see where they were picked. Not everyone is a first overall player. Like i said Rodgers WAS PICKED 24TH OVERALL!!! DAN MARINO 27TH OVERALL. TOM BRADY 6TH ROUND 199 OVERALL. JOE MONTANA 3RD ROUND 82ND OVERALL. WAKE UP WITH YOUR DEFINITIVE’S ABOUT LUCK (WHEN COMBINED WITH CURRENTLY PAYING PEYTON THE BIGGEST CONTRACT IN FOOTBALL) AND LUCK NOT BEING A LOCK FOR A FRANCHISE QB (JUST BEING TALKED ABOUT AS SUCH; EVEN RYAN LEAF WAS AS HIGHLY REGARDED REMEMBER). Sorry but just had to get that rant out of the system. There are no definitives, but do not take REALITY (aka Contract situation/salaries) out of the equation or we are wasting our time here on these boards and really are just pathetic Armchair GMs
by ColtKing on Oct 4, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rant away. But keep in mind that QB is the most important and hardest spot to fill
And we are rooting for a team that goes 3-13 AT BEST this year. Is it smarter to rebuild with a 22 year old consensus #1 QB. Or is it better to hope Peyton can coax another couple of years out of his spinal fusion?
Do we want to be Green Bay after Favre or Miami after Marino?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
ok at least you clarified
you think we should cut or trade manning if he is healthy next year. i’ll be sure to skip your posts from now on WOWSERS that was a waste of time lol
If he's healthy then he tutors Luck in 2012
Either way this is a deeply flawed roster in 2012. I’d just rather there be a concrete exit strategy for life after Peyton.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
you clearly aren't grasping
the cap/salary situation of paying Peyton the largest contract in the year and the ramifications of paying a qb top or second pick in the draft. makes no sense. take a chance on another talented qb prospect say ten picks later who has just as good of a chance of being a franchise qb one day (says HISTORY boy). shakes head in frustration of trying to make you understand this logic
I understand what you are attempting to say. I'm not agreeing with you
Mannings contract isn’t guaranteed post 2011. He won’t come back as the highest paid NFL player next year if we draft Andrew Luck.
He might never play football again for chrissakes!!!
Bottom line is that this is. Bad roster. This is a bad football team. And unless you are trading Andrew Luck for a DeLorean time machine to bring back 28 year old Peyton. You are wasting your time.
Does Peyton make this roster a SB contender ?
Does a diminished Peyton make 2012 a SB contender?
Has this current rosters window already passed?
The time has come for the adults to make adult decisions.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
yes he makes this team a contender
we’d prob be 4-0 right now with peyton, with 21 on IR last year we made the playoffs last year. With no run game in almost 3 years we were Super Bowl contenders, one year having the possibility of a perfect season just 2 seasons ago. Have you forgotten how good 18 really is? some of us colts fans are on some retarded good drugs yo! lol Look, “IF” peyton is not healthy by next year then i will agree with you, but from what we know, that is VERY unlikely. at least at this point there have been no reason to believe that to be the case. Leaf may not even be the qb of the draft for all we know. Montana was the 6th ranked QB his draft year. This Luck talk in the media has some people turning into Kooks for real! WOW!
Also with the new CBA. Top rookie QB's aren't making what they used to
Cam Newton signed for 4/22. That’s roughly Jason David to New Orleans money. Absolutely shouldn’t hinder our cap in any significant way.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Uhhh, uummmm...YES!
Did you really just make that comment? Hell yes we want to be Green Bay after Favre. They booted Favre and have the best QB in the league and a Super Bowl win to go along with him. Nuff said.
by NDMBoiler09 on Oct 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what do u want.. trade manning ?
the team cant carry both
EXACTLY
we prob could but then our depth of the rosters would be more pathetic. i expect to trade down if we have such a high pick (top 2). Reality needs to kick in for some people here and i’m glad you (Amilcar) at least are one with some sense on here !
I think you are delusional yourself
By simply ignoring the fact that Manning could be finished and that the colts are one draft away from winning the sb again. Colts are not good enough to win the Super Bowl, this team has exposed its flaws. I know you think we’d be 4-0 right now, but really, we would have beaten Houston? NO way we win that game. WE are an aging team litered with bad draft picks.
Team is weak top to bottom. We are not just a player (Manning) away. The window has closed on the Colts. Wayne is on the wrong side of 30 as he cannot get seperation anymore, doesn’t matter who he plays. Mathis will be a cap casualty (unless they don’t resign Wayne), Freeney has one year left at 12 mil, but do we really think his best days are yet to come when he is 34 years old!
Talk about chewing up a salary cap to resign for an over the hill pass rusher. He has got another good year or two in him, but 5-6?
POlian selected 10 o-line picks between 2001-2010. ONly mike pollack made the roster. NO guarantee that the rooks work out as Polian is over the hill. The NFL has slowly passed him by.
I have no confidence with high draft picks the Polians will get it right. History over the past 4 years says they are the new Al Davis of the NFL. Sad.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Oct 4, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
True. Not only
is the team weak, top to bottom, but they are injury-prone too. Plus, the overall defensive schemes and concepts used by the Colts are so flawed that this team really has no realistic chance at all. Yes, sad.
typical Purdue fan here
Everything is doom and gloom.
by ruascott on Oct 4, 2011 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im with you as well
If irsay said he can’t field a competitive team paying manning 23 million a tear ge won’t be able to paying him plus luck even more.
I’m not in favor of forfeiting the rest of mannings career just yet….
I agree that this roster is flawed, that’s exactly why we trade down, to try and fix some if those holes…
by Kdog@usi on Oct 4, 2011 8:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
the colts aren't
Drafting luck unless Manning is done for good. People need to get that through their head.
by ruascott on Oct 4, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure you don't understand business
If you can choose between 100 lbs of gold and 50 lbs of gold, which one you choose?
I think
this is the first time that BBS sounds more positive than I actually feel.
As long as Peyton is on the field, we will always have a chance to win.
by tegthethird on Oct 4, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Miami gonna takes Lucky boy to rebuild the organization(Tough Div.)
From Marino to Lucky…
Some thoughts from tonight...
-When we didn’t challenge in the first half (might have still been in the 1st quarter, not entirely sure) first thing I thought was “Where’s Tressel? Oh yah., still suspended”. Made no sense as to why Caldwell didn’t challenge here.. first half time-out, by the way, it WAS a fumble, watch the play frame by frame. A football move was made. SAD.
-Injuried: We have terrible luck here. Getting banged up beyond recognition. Look, when Ijalana went down after already replacing Castonzo, the game was effectively over. The last “drive” i mean possession we had was an absolute joke. Linkenback had one or two okay blocks but primarily isn’t good enough to play in the NFL in my opinion
-Donald Brown: I’ve tried to be supportive but enough is enough, this is his last year in INDY. If it weren’t for how quick our roster is being depleted, I don’t know why he is still on the roster. Okay, maybe it wasn’t totally Donald’s fault, because if I were Donald then I’d be shocked be thrown in on a critical down out-of-nowhere as well. Forgot what possession it was but in the first half, key third down and donald brown is in as the only blocking back and completely misses the blitz pickup. Why was that the first play of him in the offence. why the sudden substitution there? Had me scratching my head
-Defense played well but do to the once again pathetic performance by our offensive line, it was just a matter of time before the defence could do no more. Yes, our philosophy is broken as some of those cushions were pathetic. On the other hand, some of that cushion is largely due to the inability of some of the roster to be able to be counted on. On the other hand, i’d be interested in seeing information on how many freeman completions were in the damn middle of the field. Let’s just say i was left unimpressed by the young QB and the Bucs in general.
-We should have been able to win the game, but the defence was far too depleted to play after our PATHETIC last possession (which I touched upon earlier; was a write-off once Ijalana was out of the game). Didn’t see the Castonzo injury but will have to re-watch it. OUCH. Bottom line, losing at the line of scrimmage has been haunting us for the last few years
-On the positive side, when painter had time, he was better than Collins.. Problem is, the line was a major disappointment. I can’t stress that enough. For the record, I hope Collins is cut.
Proud of the defensive veterans; Nevis and Angerer re-enforced the notion they created last week - they will be studs. Too bad Nevis got hurt, and heart goes out to Mr. Foster who up to that point when he got injured was the DT used in the most snaps on the roster this season
by ColtKing on Oct 4, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
...
when the lines play poorly due to all three of the so far quite good first three draft picks from this year getting knocked out, i’m not really mad.
just disheartened.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
by McAfee#1 on Oct 4, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The non-challenge fumble.
The non-challenge fumble wouldn’t have made a difference. The whistle was blown to kill the play. Even if a challenge was made and the play was ruled a fumble, the Bucs would’ve been credited with the yards and kept the ball. The play was dead (whistle) before the Colts recovered the football.
Armchair Coaching and GMing!
You guys that blame everything on the coaches week in and week out really make me laugh. Don’t you think Coyer watches tape. The reason they are playing with the 15 yard cushion is that their corners are horrendously untalented. If they played closer it would be a long TD almost every time!!! Don’t get it twisted…I am not a fan of Caldwell in the least.. but frankly this team is really bad at offensive line and defensive back. They just don’t have talent to make plays. Also…when your offense does not move the ball and your in the field all game its even harder to defend. That’s not coaching its bad players and backups due to injury…
As for the GM situation, that should be evaluated over time. However we must remember Polian has GM’d 7 teams that have played in a SB. Yes…he is a world class tool as a person and yes they have whiffed on some recent first round picks. But, most teams that pick 28th every year get a lower caliber of player. That’s how the draft is designed. He has still made some finds in later rounds that have contributed. Many so called fans are to young to remember the Hogeboom Pagel Scheister Erickson eras. That was true bad GM ing…All Colt fans can do is hope that the young players develop in what is going to be a long year and that they vets don’t quit. Then we can only trust that our FO will do.something about our secondary and o line and special teams situations. If they make wholesale changes so be it. But I’m not gonna suddenly call a ownership and management group inept because of one bad season.
by Lewballer 3 on Oct 4, 2011 12:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 7 recs
I was going to say the same to you.
Many of the fans on this site are young and don’t remember the bad old days. I was in the RCA Dome back in the late 80s and saw empty seats and paper bags on peoples heads. There has been an influx of hatred of the Colts coaches and FO. It’d kind of a “monkey see monkey do” thing. When BBS goes negative he usually has the insight to do so…many of the fans here just parrot his comments but without objectivity. I am really looking to see Nevis Costanzo and Ijilana develop. I hope the injuries are not serious. Although brutal to watch, this season gives the FO a chance to rebuild a team that already has some strong spots.
by Lewballer 3 on Oct 4, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What does seeing something in the 80s have to do with the present?
Do you buy your stocks and bonds based on 80s data? Or do you buy it with the idea to show thanks and appreciation your your stockbroker?
FYI… the FO should’ve been able to build a team a long time ago. This same FO had the greatest QB EVER and failed to surround him with the necessary parts to win multiple SBs.
Kudos to you for being a guy who sounds really easy to please.
Enough with the "we should have won 5 SB with Peyton with the right team" nonsense.
The Colts could have made some seriously bad moves that would have resulted in half the playoff appearances we’ve had. The funny thing is you probably wouldn’t take the position you do because Peyton would have a so so record and who knows, maybe even have been traded or signed elswhere by now.
It is really very similar to one of the crass insults about Irsay when folks say he’s just a fool who inherited his Dad’s money. Yes he did, and like many who do he could have squandered a good portion of it and run the Colts into the ground.
Kudos to you for being a whiny brat regardless of your age.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Whiny brat?
Really? I’d love to meet you in person. Why? I’d love to know what you do for a living and why you have such low expectations in life.
LOL - if your life was all that you would dismiss a low life like me.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Exactly... I'd like to ask you why such low expectations in person...
the internet does strange things to people and their responses. I’m sure you’d be more cordial in person.
by SoCalHoosier on Oct 4, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Be mad if you want man...
To be honest, I was never a fan of Dungy, or the whole Tampa 2 scheme. I always thought the Colts were built wrong from day one. I thought it was a joke having guys like Cato June who weighed 220 lbs trying to tackle people. Nevertheless that is the scheme the Colts chose to use. They had looks at more SBs and didn’t get it done. They underachived for sure and now that the PM era near if not at the end fans are angry. I’m just not a scapegoat guy. Do you really think its Polian fault Hank Baskett has stone hands? Did Polian throw all of those
those picks to Ty Law in a 20-3 loss…Did Polian tackle Nick Harper en route to game TD? Last time I checked Freeney James Mathis Clark Bethea Sanders (when healthy) and Wayne were good players. They chose to spend on weapons for Manning and not stud DT and LBs like at Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Bottom line they built the team for a flawed scheme and just didn’t get the job done enough times. But I don’t who to “blame” for that…it was Dungys scheme. Now if they are smart they will move away from that scheme and get bigger stronger and more physical on both ends of the ball. Other teams have made the same mistake. See the current version of Eagles and Falcons! It just doesn’t work.
As for me being pleased easily…you can have your opinion mane…I just know I have seen 95% of Colt games for 25 years and I have seen some really bad teams and bad drafts. It dissapoints me that they did not cash in more with 18 in his prime but all you can do is get to the show. They just failed to close…I choose not to whine over it. Now if they rebuild a team with little guys that can’t stop the run or power other teams I may look at it differently down the road.
by Lewballer 3 on Oct 4, 2011 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You just contradicted everything you said in your first post about NOT blaming
the coaches and FO. The only difference is you’re blaming the old coach’s scheme and FO (which went along with it).
Does Dungy have a gun to someone’s head. I had no idea this scheme was written in stone. (trust me I’m no fan of the small quick guy either)
Read your posts again and then look up the word “accountability”.
Son
I have better things to do with my time than argue with you mane…I come here to get insight on my squad not engage in worthless banter with people entrenched in their own quasi intelligence about football. Happy trails!
by Lewballer 3 on Oct 4, 2011 2:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
typical jackass fan post
The colts have been the most successful team in the NFL for over a decade now….they have obviously come up short in the playoffs compared to what we all wanted, but the reality is that it takes a fair amount if good fortune to win in a single elimination format.
More often than not, the best team doesn’t win it all, whether its the NFL or the NCAA tourney. The pats team in 2008 was the must dominating team if recent years, but they came up short. compare that to their first sb win, when they were huge underdogs.
I’m of the opinion that you judge how good or bad an organization is based upon the long run…not the random chaos of single elimination playoffs, which are fun for the fans but don’t really prove who the best team is.
by ruascott on Oct 4, 2011 9:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*typical jackass response from a hillbilly who thinks we won more SBs than any other teams this decade.
Put down your meth and lighten up.
by SoCalHoosier on Oct 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
DB's
The reason they are playing with the 15 yard cushion is that their corners are horrendously untalented. If they played closer it would be a long TD almost every time!!! Don’t get it twisted…I am not a fan of Caldwell in the least.. but frankly this team is really bad at offensive line and defensive back. They just don’t have talent to make plays.
Glad you said this I was about to post this also. I have never seen this so much in the NFL. Giving a 10 yard cushion and getting faked out 7 yards before you can make contact. I thought I would never say this I want to see more Lacey. I counted two drives that would of ended even with the 10 yard cushion if the freakin DB would of made a tackle but whiffed and was faked out before he was within 15 feet of the receiver.
10 o-line drafted 2007-2010
Only Pollack still on the team. Could it be possible the game has passed the great Bill Polian by. OR is Chris Polian botching these drafts? Chris is on record saying he messed up the Ugoh deal. That was his first deal, thus…passing the draft duties to your son doesn’t always work. See Colts NFL drafts 2007-2010. rEALLY, look them up. They’re pathetic.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Oct 4, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
One bad season?
It’s multiple bad seasons all masked by Peyton Manning and it is now just being realized and this is during a season in which their was a decent and maybe even good draft class.
True tapper.
People gloss over perennial horrible special teams play, bad defense and bad defensive philosphies (which make the defense even worse),…just because Manning’s brilliance overcomes those things enough to get at least 10 wins. In my opinion, it IS a bad season/failed season when you go one and done in the playoffs with the greatest of all time quarterbacking. I just shake my head in disbelief when I read a comment like ‘we can only trust our FO will do something about our secondary and o line and special teams situation.’ Why the hell would you trust the FO? Our special teams have sucked for years. Why would I trust the FO to finally do something about it when they’ve let the situation fester every season? Our defense has sucked for years. Same issue. No changes, no adjustments of any kind. They made an attempt at fixing the o-line this draft. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late, but still somewhat encouraging. But, these other areas, are frustrating as hell and they NEVER get fixed.
by Ayrshire on Oct 4, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Originally, I remember saying Meeks was crap because the D wasn’t good enough and Peyton would have to match TD for TD against the good teams.
I also remember saying Purnell was a terrible special teams coach since they were usually in the bottom of the league.
When they got rid of both those guys I was excited since I expected things to get better. I was so wrong. Now, either these guys are being told to say the same things as the last guys and the players are worse or these coaches are actually worse and I want the other two guys back. However, I would prefer new coaches that are better than even the previous two.
Bottom line: you can't keep doing the same things
and expecting different results. The philosphies of the Colts’ coaches are not working. When things don’t work, you change them. What’s so complicated about that? Shake things up a bit, until you hit on something that works. Not with these idiots. They keep doing the same stupid things and keep getting the same, stupid results.
The Colts are the most frustrating team to watch and pull for. Other teams suck and you expect it or are well-coached like the Pats and they run good plays that make sense and play well and don’t make many mistakes and their games are won or lost by good play. The Colts just don’t do things that make sense.
I wish I didn’t dislike the Patriots so much because it would be much less frustrating being a fan of a team that is run well. I am watching more Greenbay games and enjoying Rodgers and it’s reminding me of when I started watching the Colts because of Peyton. This team is pushing me to be a GB fan.
lol.
I feel your frustration. It is now even more easy to understand how Caldwell went 26-63 at Wake Forest. You mention the Pats. As much as I dislike them for being one of our main rivals, the difference between the competency of their staff/organization and ours is night and day. They lose their HOF quarterback and don’t miss a beat and end up with a competitive 11-5 record. We lose ours, and we’re on our way to 1-15. That about says it all, wouldn’t ya say?
Isn't this the definition of insanity?
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
I've heard that.
And, I certainly wouldn’t dispute it as it relates to our beloved red-headed dictator and his clueless coaching staff, although I’m not a qualified mental-health professional.
So...
If they didn’t allow a 10 yard cushion right in the middle of the field to the RB for a checkdown every play they would allow a TD instead?
Just face it buddy, the Bucs at one point checked it down to Blount/Graham 5 times in a row for about 10 yards each. If you can’t at least try to cover him instead of making Angerer sprint back 45 yards when we all know where they’re going anyway, that’s pathetic coaching. Do I have to spell it out for you? Make some adjustments. PATHETIC.
Jim Irsay was the GM in those days
I’d hope we’d get a professional FO type to replace Polian.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
What's with the photo on this thread - the Bucs look 10 feet tall
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Disappointed with the way the game ended..
Don’t get me wrong, Painter I thought played great and he should be the starting qb for the rest of the season baring an injury. Speaking of injuries, they killed us. I literally said the second Ben I. went down that the game was over. There was nobody left in our offensive line. Such a shame to because I thought up until that point that we could have actually won that game.
Furthermore for the life of me, I cannot understand how on defense we consistently left a huge gap in the middle of the field. I hope that at some point we are going to wise up and cover it, but really who knows at this point.
This game was just disheartening…
by parcel621 on Oct 4, 2011 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
In the voice of Marge Schott - "well t h e r e y o u g o"
278yds, 2 TD’s and one turnover that was 1/2 the fault of a totally missed block. Could we have a back up QB to spell Manning when needed for the next 3 years? awesome. The running game while not outstanding is still showing signs of life.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to win, but forgive me this is way I always am. So I will continue. Angerer needs no introduction, Nevis is improving, Carter STILL looks great, and dare I say – was that Hughes putting serious pressure on the QB? A freakishly mobile QB for his size at that?
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
so much true on these words....
The negatives are the very thing that has defined this franchise the last few years more than wins or championships: Injuries.
Scheme vs. Injury (vice-versa)
Usually injuries are not an excuse in the NFL. It’s any given sunday. However the Colts may be able to add their names to the list. I think these injuries are due to the scheme and strategy they play on defense and offense.
by naptowngreat on Oct 4, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Something is not right.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
I think we are going to set a record for secondary ineptitude
they are seriously terrible, and if they weren’t so crappy, we MIGHT have won last night. Painter looked pretty good, but I still think he has terrible pocket presense, which may improve over time. I was one of those guys that wanted to give Donald Brown more time to develope but after last night, wiffing on that block, he needs to be cut. He doesn’t offer anythign to this team at this point plus we will probably need the roster spot for a DT or OT. It’s frustrating to watch the offense squander a great effort on defense last week, yet this week watch the exact opposite happen. This team had leads of 10 points and 7 points, and every time we scored a TD the defense came out and gave up one. With all of the injuries, i seriously doubt we win a single game
Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB
"With all of the injuries, I seriously doubt we win a single game."
Yes, and in addition to injuries,… with the ridiculously ineffective, Coyer/Caldwell-coached defensive secondary, winning a game seems very unlikely.
Tampa wasn’t really playing that well and with some decent coaching I think the injuries could be overcome (in this game at least).
The problem is terrible D and bad plays on offense and not using the run game enough and painter holding onto the ball too long. Painter only looked better than Collins because of the mistakes by the Bucs that allowed Garcon’s first TD and then the great plays by the other Colts players to block for him on the screen pass that turned into the 2nd. Other than those plays that he had little to do with looking better than Collins. The play calls weren’t very good. He was throwing his usual bounce passes and the run/pass wasn’t balanced (18/30).
The defense gave up 192 yards rushing and most of it when they needed to stop it so the bucs couldn’t run down the clock. That’s not good. I disagree with BBS there, big time.
The pass D was terrible as it has been so far this season. The difference was that most teams chose to pass instead of run since the Colts make it so easy and then it looks like the run game is decent or forcing them to pass. There’s no forcing. Passing on the Colts is too easy. I’ve got to think that’s mostly a coaching problem and should be correctable to some degree. Per usual the Colts allowed the opposing QB to complete a high percentage of passes on them and look better than they are.
Total net yards of 466 given up. ugh.
And the Colts’ total yardage doesn’t look so good when you take out the one long play of Garcon’s or at least his YAC due to the blown tackle. Mistakes like that won’t happen every game…and hadn’t happened up until this game and the better teams don’t allow that.
Dump this coaching staff and start fixing the damage these idiots have done and get a head start on next year.
Collins vs Painter
1 NFL start vs …. higher than I can count. If Painter was equal to Collins production that seals it. I think he was. There is no QB on the planet that is going to carry this team on his back, including Painter, but let’s just settle in and develop our young back up QB. I suspect we will need him. In fact, this season as proven that we need one. Unfortunately you can’t carry two starting franchise QB’s on a team for a variety of reasons.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
I’m not advocating for Collins. At least Collins has the excuse of not knowing the offense which everyone says is so hard to learn (I think this is stupid btw, CHANGE THE OFFENSE and allow these QBs to be effective then).
Although Painter’s numbers say he had no ints, it was only because of luck. He probably should’ve had two that I recall. (Freeman should’ve had at least 1 also).
Another thing I forgot to mention is that the Colts were lucky numerous times due to Bucs penalties. They won’t get that every week.
Neither of the QBs we have seen are very good. Just another case where Colts management has failed this team.
You are right about some of the penalties, although holding penalties are usually the result ofgood defense
I also agree with you about the run defense. I think the Bucs had 9 first downs on runs vs our 2. Uggh.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Painter not great, but crisper and quicker than Collins..
I think the reason why the screen to Garcon works is timing and execution by all the players, including Painter. Same with the long TD pass to Garcon. And, I think that pass was crisp and on the money. Every week, Brady gains a bunch of his passing yards from yards after the catch. It’s part of the QB’s job to put the receiver in position to run after the catch, so the QB gets credit. I agree that the better teams may keep the Colts from hitting these longer pass plays. The Bucs gameplan was to press cover and trust their D-line to get quick pressure. And, largely, this worked. Painter had to get rid of the ball quickly, but the receivers were not really open – certainly not as open as the guys Freeman was throwing to. If Painter held it longer, to allow the receivers to get separation, the pocket was gone. Not much margin for error for anyone who plays QB for the Colts right now. I do think that Painter played better, really the best he has ever played. He needs to improve as does the O-line and the secondary.
^^this^^ Go watch some Welker highlights - Brady gets credit for all of those runs after the catch
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
It’s just not right that Peyton carries this team and people take it for granted and then without him all the junk is exposed and then excuses are made. If they DEAL WITH IT now then when Peyton comes back the team will be better and that could be magical.
It’s got to start with coaching though. They aren’t getting better with these chumps. The special teams have been crap for years and Coyer is somehow worse than Meeks.
It is an assumption that Peyton would win under these conditions
Peyton did not win all of his games, and often when we lost we were blaming the same ’ol things.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Offensive problems really start at O-Line
The O-line is really trying but the inexperience and injuries are taking a toll. Painter is forced to get rid of the really quickly or take a sack. Unfortunately, the Bucs knew this and played tight coverage. So, when Painter threw it, he was throwing to covered receivers. By comparison, Freeman was throwing to wide open receivers – too many checkdowns to count. If the O-line were performing better (not blaming them, they are in a really tough spot), then Painter could hold the ball long enough for the receivers to burn the tight coverage. The Colts probably needed to run more crossing routes and picks to open up guys in the middle.
Painter would probably look a lot better
if he had time to throw. He’s now understanding what Manning had to deal with. It’s one thing for Manning to make a quick read and thread the needle. Curtis isn’t at that level, and rushing a throw for him,….means bad things are more likely to happen.
which is what happened to Collins also
I’m been fighting a temptation to laud Painter for not throwing INT’s in the face of this because he is not a rookie, however it was his first start. He probably could have cut the sacks in half by throwing the ball away., but even the best do take sacks to avoid an errant throw or intentional grounding.
Geez, we had a same day practice squad addition who has been on the roster for less than a month out there.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
by indylator on Oct 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
It is not fair to throw either QB under the bus. Both guys are dealing with some real challenges. Collins was trying to run an offense he is still learning with an offensive line that doesn’t protect very well. Painter knows the offense but lacks game experience and, to be fair, was playing with an even worse offensive line due to injuries. However, I think the coaches saw some positives in Painter’s performance and are going to keep him as the starter for at least another week, even if Collins is healthy.
Mea Culpa
I want to be the first to apologize to Jacob L. I know that he is not a starting CB in this league but after watching Terrence J.in the first few drives I publlically take back all my criticisms of JL.On Bucs first scorethat was called back TJ’s attempt to tackle Bucs reciever was the worst atempt at a tackle I have seen in 25 yrs of watching NFL.JUstin tryon is not better than that? Impossible. One other observation,befor Ben Ijalama got hurt he looked good.You are telling me that he is not better than Jeff L. at RT
Our record fell to 0-1 in games where Jerry Hughes makes a play!
I did a double take when I realized it was #92 with the sack! The whole bar I was at errupted in sarcastic cheers too. Definitely the highlight of the game…
A couple bright notes from last night
Both Brown and Gonzalez are finally playing like the number #1 draft choices we hoped for and Curtis Painter looked like he stepped off the cover of GQ Magazine in the press conference after the game (Tom Brady eat your heart out).
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
Very funny - I like subtle
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
The Colts would have won...
…if it were not for the terrible horrible inept stupid idiotic COACHING!
1. Failure to challenge in the first half in what was clearly a fumble.
2. Taking the penalty on what would have been 4th and 3 punting situation, (instead Tampa scored on that drive).
3. Punting with three minutes left instead of GOING FOR IT.
4. Defense lined up with so much cushion that Angerer was up in the cheap seats.
5. Not calling time out when the Bucs lined up in the wildcat.
6. No adustments. Not changing to screens and slants when they were blitzing on every single play, instead they let Painter get killed over and over.
As far as injuries are concerned, the reason there were so many injuries was because the Colts were sacrificing their bodies on every play. Did you see that block by Reggie? Sheesh.
With halfway decent coaching the Colts would be 3-1 right now instead of 0-4.
Lastly: With Peyton up up in the press box, they should give him a headset and let him help with the gameday management like Tressel was supposed to be doing. It could only help our horrible coaching staff.
by cgartebay on Oct 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Limiting a RB to 4 yards a carry is nothing to be proud of
I want Painter to succeed but Garcon should get the lion’s share of the credit for those two TDs
The Polian family is a malignant cancer to the Colts organization
by manningtoharrison on Oct 4, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
The same as Welker gets credit for Brady's gaudy stats?
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Of course I'm being a smart/dumb ass -
I stayed up until 12:30am as well, and regretted it. I have not been a critic of the FO, and in fact have posted regularly to lay off the Front Office. Based on coaching last night, especially the cushion, the terrible lack of challenges – all of the things mentioned above, I too am starting to question Caldwell, but only in the sense of aggressiveness.
I think the Colts continue to reel from injuries – and it’s very hard to have three backups for every position. So I can imagine they coaches are having a hard time adjusting and I don’t fault them for that. But some of the schemes are just not working. And this idea that the defense is built to play with a lead makes sense, except that we don’t play with much of a lead anymore. So that scheme has to change. Trouble is, we weren’t prepared for Manning injury (and I think really couldn’t have been) and no matter didn’t have the time to suddenly get all new players who are all much larger. So again, I don’t fault the team for that.
I would really like some insight from the coaches (though we’ll never get it of course) as to the thought process behind their schemes. i would love Phil Wilson to keep pressing for that insight. But in the meantime, the frustration is starting to build.
by buymymonkey on Oct 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure this will emphasize how much of a Bucs Homer Gruden is
The game hasnt even started and hes already hard for them, LOL
Credit goes to the Cowhead show (Based out of Tampa) for pointing this out.
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