Patience Will Be Rewarded In Indy
I’m a firm believer in practicing patience. Even with the continual stroking of Jim Caldwell, the 10-yard cushion from hell, the pee-wee style play from Curtis Painter, and the numerous other blunders from this horrific season, I still remain patient. I may feel like ripping my eyeballs out every time I watch the Colts take the field, but I still remain patient. You may think I’m crazy, but in our situation, I simply know that patience will be rewarded.
I’ll also be the first one to admit that it’s quite obvious what practical changes must be pushed to the front, following the end of this season. I think the most obvious decision of them all is to show Mr. Nice Guy a.k.a. Jim Caldwell, the door. From there, a new defensive coordinator will likely be brought in at the request of our new coach, but most certainly replaced either way. I believe Clyde Christensen’s job could also be up for grabs, depending on the next coach and the future of Peyton Manning. Radical changes are one thing, but these are vital to compliment the other changes that will soon follow.
That said, within all of the crap that must float to the top, I believe there’s something really special brewing in the mix at West 56th.
As a true optimist, I always look for that light at the end of the tunnel. For the Colts, that light is currently undiscovered and completely engulfed in an enormous cloud of dreadful uncertainty. But the more I think about finding that light, the more anxious I become at the thoughts of what the future will hold. What will be at the end of this tunnel? While there are so many questions that we must ask ourselves as Colts fans, here’s a few that I believe to fit the overall consensus: Will Peyton Manning ever wear a Colts uniform again? Will we draft Andrew Luck? Will a healthy Manning be forced to walk away from this franchise if we draft Luck? Will Manning want to walk away?
Thinking about these questions makes me uneasy, but even as I’m currently bringing them to the table, I catch a butterfly or two of pure excitement.
And I think you should too.
Within this display of the BBS-coined "Vortex of Suck", what have we really gained from this experience besides a whole lot of horrible football?
I know it may be hard to think about anything positive with six long weeks of agony to struggle through, but try to entertain the optimist in me and start thinking about what could be a huge blessing in disguise for our beloved team.
For the first time since we drafted the savior of this franchise in 1998, it seems inevitable that Roger Goodell will utter that famous line come April:
"With the first pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts select…"
Depressing in a way? Sure. I think so. First and foremost, when the Commissioner speaks that line with your team's name included, it really means that you were so horrible, so dramatically bad, that you needed the help of the projected, best of the best college prospect to hopefully bring your team out of the dumps. And even with the opportunity to hand pick a future leader of your franchise, you really never have a guarantee with any guy. However, for the first time since the Colts decided to select Peyton Manning over the bust of all busts, there is a very gifted athlete that could be as close to the ‘sure thing’ designation as you can get: Stanford quarterback, Andrew Luck.
How's that for "Luck"?
Despite the possibility that we could draft a guy that some people have dubbed the 'next Peyton Manning', it also comes with the implication that we would most likely have to witness the end of a very legendary era in Indianapolis. That isn’t something I ever wanted to think about, at least not this early. I knew the day would come, but that day would mean we’d be able to witness the end of the Manning era on his own terms. While I believe this still could happen, every day that passes which doesn't bring Manning back to the practice field, the level of optimism about Manning will continue to dwindle and I realize that we could be forced to walk through that door.
Our predicament certainly seems like a very good situation to be in as a franchise, but that won't make it any easier to face. Being a Peyton Manning fan since I was 9-years-old, the thought of watching him walk away from the game of football because of injury is just indescribable to me. But when the time comes to lay our cards down on the table, the decision could be between a healthy Manning and a young and exciting Luck. I know Jim Irsay has already began losing sleep at the thought of such a decision. So, here's where I'd like to lend my opinion.
First off, I believe a healthy Manning means way too much to this franchise to just simply move on and cut ties. I know we're all pumped about the possibility of drafting another ‘golden boy’, but I find myself especially foaming at the mouth of thoughts regarding what we could get for Luck to help improve this team for the Manning era.
A thought that constantly bares down on my opinion goes something like this: Manning signs with another team, gets his second and possibly third ring, and Luck turns out to be another overhyped college quarterback. Now, all pessimistic thoughts aside, I’ve watched Luck very closely and if you like accurate quarterbacks, this guy is the ultimate dream. He can put the ball on a fly and is one of the most intelligent players that we've seen come out of college in a long, long time. The guy's talent is undeniable and he really looks like he could be the next big thing. That being considered, is he really the only choice for Indianapolis? I don't think so. When I think about other immediate prospects, a guy like Landry Jones from Oklahoma comes to mind. While he may be rough around the edges in areas (pocket presence and his deep ball), Jones could be turn into a home run if given the time to develop with Manning as he goes for more rings. He also would certainly be a late first rounder, with the possibility of slipping into the second round if he decides to enter the 2012 draft. This would assume less risk in the event that he's not the right guy. Matt Barkley is another great option, but he might be too high up the draft board to consider. Regardless, the expectations are still going to be lower when comparing Luck's.
When I think of other another quarterback who wasn't the top dog coming out of college, Andy Dalton immediately is the first that comes to mind. Not only was he almost a Colt, but he is the perfect example of why you don’t have to be the first choice to have success at the next level. With Dalton's raw skills, imagine if he indeed drafted by the Colts and had Manning as a mentor? The sky would be the limit for Dalton.
All I'm trying to say, is this: There will be other candidates out there for Manning to pass the torch to. I think that we must be real enough with ourselves and entertain the possibility that Luck might not meet the giant expectations that have been strapped to his back. This is a quarterback driven league, and if you already have the greatest of all time at your disposal, why would you bet the farm and ditch a healthy Manning for an unproven college quarterback?
The extended future, not just the next 3-4 years, is obviously of the utmost importance to me. Sticking with Manning and skipping over Luck might be a gamble itself, but you get something guaranteed in return for this gamble. You get Peyton friggin' Manning. In my eyes, the only way that going after Luck becomes obvious is if Manning can't return to form. If he can’t prove that he's still got 'it' in the upcoming months, then we must move on from Manning and Luck has to be our choice. It will be absolutely heartbreaking, but it’s the only logical path.
So what if Manning is able to regain his arm strength and stick around for a few more years as a contender. What would be the plan of action, you ask? Well, let me preface my thoughts by saying that the dismal 2011 Colts season would set up a plethora of choices that could dramatically improve a Manning-led team when April rolls around.
While there are a ton of different options that we could consider, let's take a look at the draft and what we could do with the Luck ransom.
With the addition of Anthony Castonzo and Ben Ijalana from this year’s draft, what if you go after another tackle like USC’s Matt Kalil in the first round? Not a fan of Kalil? What about Mike Adams (Ohio State) or Jonathan Martin (Stanford)? All three of these guys are NFL quality tackles who will be available in '12. On paper, with Kali, Adams, or Martin, Indianapolis would have one of the best offensive lines to ever sport the horseshoe.
Not a fan of this route? Okay. Let's say we go after a replacement for Reggie Wayne and look at a large, physical wide receiver like Alshon Jeffery of South Carolina. The possibilities of a Manning-Jeffery connection are seemingly endless. This guy has intangibles that could equate to an Anquan Boldin and Calvin Johnson hybrid. He can beat the press, make the alley-oop type grabs, and seems to run through defenders with little effort. Such a target would line up next to guys like Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon, combining for one of the best receiving corps in the NFL. And that’s without throwing a healthy Dallas Clark into the mix.
If that doesn't get you all giddy inside, you might want to check for a pulse.
You may think I'm crazy, and say, "Well if you can miss on Luck, you certainly can miss on others." Sure, that's definitely a possibility. However, failing to select your franchise quarterback and failing to select your next top WR/OT are obviously not even close to comparable.
Now if we switch to the defensive side of the ball, some of our biggest concerns sit at safety, cornerback, and our lack of depth at defensive tackle. All of these positions could be addressed aggressively through the draft, regardless of who's running the Colts huddle. Free agency is always an 'instant improvement' option, especially with candidates like Brent Grimes, Terrell Thomas, LaRon Landry, and Jim Leonard available for wooing in 2012. However, I think the coaching market is where we will make some of the best and most intelligent decisions for the future of our defense. Look at what Wade Phillips has done in one season for the Texans' defense. To re-arrange the pieces and take the worst secondary in the league from a year ago, and to make it one of the very best in the following year is living proof that coaching can make the ultimate difference. Overall, the Texans' defense is currently numero uno. Incredible.
Whether you want to stick with the Tampa 2 'bend-don't-break' philosophy or scrap it altogether, I don't believe the Colts need such a dramatic turnaround from a miracle worker, as the Texans have been so blessed to experience. The Colts have always relied on the passive Tampa 2 scheme with success, but it was obviously accompanied by a top ranked offense to effectively lean on. With the return of Manning, this defense will once again prove to be enough with minimal changes in personnel. From here, the Colts would return in 2012, explosive as ever, especially when you consider any of the new weapons I've mentioned.
So with all of that churning in your noggin, hopefully you see the point of such an article. We should start aggressively turning our gears and continue pondering about what we'd really like this team to do in 2012. And while the future may be a very complicated and unpredictable beast, I think it's safe to say that every Colts fan should be elated about what Father Time could positively throw at us. This team has been the model of consistency for the last decade and with a franchise quarterback at the helm, Manning or Luck, the necessary framework to be successful will be firmly in place.
Our patience will continue to be tested, but in the end, I think it will all prove worthy. This season should only be remembered as a single speed bump (and a gift) in an otherwise perfectly paved road back to past glory.
It's there was ever a time to get excited, people, it's right now. But remember:
"Patience is a virtue, have it if you can."
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well done Stew!
No decisions can be made until we know how healthy Peyton is, so we all need to be patient and let it all play out.
Only 6 more weeks of losing to go!!
Man, I’d love to find a way to get Clairborne.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
by Sparhawk on Nov 18, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I’m honestly not sold on any of this year’s wide receivers near the top. Alshon doesn’t seem to get separation, so how’s he gonna do that in the NFL? Floyd has nice skills, but he doesn’t seem to be blessed with quickness. Not sure how that will translate at the next level. Blackmon seems the only real choice, but I don’t like his size. There doesn’t seem to be an AJ Green type player, so how are these receivers expected to go just as high?
Just really wish there was a Suh type DT in the draft.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
Jeffrey
is also a fat sack of crap. He doesn’t get separation because he is out of shape. I want no part in him.
Absolutely agree.
Why would this article say take Jeffrey? I see Blackmon going first (for good reason), and then Floyd of Jeffrey going. But I am a lot more excited by Blackmon’s skillset and catches than Jeffrey’s, who just kind of seems like a big guy.
by ChairmanMeow on Nov 18, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Reminds of JaMarcus Russell
He’ll be spending his salary on Snickers and KitKat bars and will get fat.
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by KBUnitz on Nov 18, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is why I chose to highlight Jeffery. Blackmon is the trophy, but I wanted to start thinking about other guys we could look at. I’ve always wanted that prototypical big WR for Manning to be able to lay it up to and let ‘em go after it. Alshon may be a little pudgy, but if he were to come to Indy, I believe they’d whip him into shape real fast. His speed would only increase from there and Manning would be a huge part of his ‘make-or-break’ development.
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That's stupid
Blackmon’s as good if not better than AJ Green. You don’t like him because he’s 6’1 instead of 6’3? C’mon man. Do I really need to name all the great wide receivers that are only 6’1. Really?
by Coltsfan1345 on Nov 19, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Blackmon is badass. He would be a perfect fit for Manning.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Trading Manning "could" be best option.
Especially if we trade to a team with top 15 draft position.
That could be a franchise OT, CB, DT, or WR to go along with our future franchise QB. Also consider that we would still be drafting at the top of every subsequent rounds.
by mlc2656 on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This this and this
A hundred times over. Don’t you think some owner with lots of money and reknowned stupidity in personnel choices (calling Dan Snyder) wouldn’t over pay with a player AND picks for Manning?
It could be a ridiculous draft for the Colts in that regard.
Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!
by AB_Positive on Nov 18, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
And then what?
Manning continues to be awesome while the Colts are now starting over with an unproven QB and likely 2-3 years from being a playoff contender again.
The team has a chance to re-build the team on the fly while still having a HOF QB and to be primed for back to back SBs to finish his career. Would you take “potential” future playoff contention over a guaranteed playoff spot for a few more years with a strong possibility of another Lombardi? I want the Lombardi.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
You can't guarantee a playoff spot even with Manning
I’m not saying trade Manning but you have to take Luck if we have the first draft choice. There is no way way you can guarantee a playoff spot even with Manning, so if he does leave because we took Luck who cares, you can’t let that stop you from thinking about the next 10-15 years. I like Manning as much as any Colts fan BUT time catches up to all of us, Manning is 36 with 3 neck surgeries and is one hit from ending his career. I think it’s dumb to throw away a first pick in a draft and not get his replacement. Teams spend years looking for the right guy, we will not need too. So let’s say Manning comes back takes us to the playoffs or Super Bowl and then retires or is hurt again, great we won and our reward is the number 32nd draft pick and no Manning, now what ? You gotta take Luck if he’s there for us
They have guaranteed a spot with Manning the past 9 years
All players are one hit away from ending their careers, not just Manning.
I don’t think trading the pick for an extra 1st, 2nd and future 1st and 2nd is throwing it away at all.
Just curious, not trying to argue, how much have you seen of Luck? I have only seen 3 games this season, but what I have seen from him doesn’t make me comfortable that he will be as great as everyone thinks he will. First, nothing in the Stanford offense showcases any of Luck’s downfield throwing abilities. He probably has an NFL arm, but I’ve never seen him throw a deep ball so I don’t know how good he is at that. Secondly, if you watch him throw, his arm angle is typically lower (just over the shoulder like Sanchez, not over the top like Manning and Brady) and I have concerns about that with taller D lineman (probably nitpicking there but still a concern) and finally, my biggest concern is that he bends his knees when he throws the ball which takes his 6’4" frame and turns it into about a 6’1" or 6’2" frame which can be all the difference in such a competitive league.
Just sayin, I know he is accurate with short and midrange throws, but so is Chad Pennington. I know he is the smartest QB in the draft (according to scouts and experts), but I’m guessing so was Tim Couch. Luck has potential and could be a future elite QB, but Manning has already realized his potential and his a HOF QB, and if healthy he has 3-4 more years to dominate and bring back another SB trophy which is what we all want in the end.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
One thing I don’t agree with that you keep saying: He’s one hit away from being done. If the fusion works and he’s totally recovered by next season, he will be fully capable of resuming play and taking the hits. Secondly, Manning’s release will be his biggest protection. With the new advantages within this o-line, there’s more protection.
Now is there a risk for injury? Of course. Every player has that risk. As for Manning, if he’s THAT close to suffering more serious damage, he won’t return. If he returns, it will be because he has a clear bill of health and is football ready.
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Yeah
As a fan, my biggest fear right now is that everyone forgets just how good Manning is and how much he still means to this team. With Manning out this season, I keep hearing fans talk about him like he is dead or something. Did NE fans say that when Brady went down in 2008? I doubt it. I know he wasn’t 36, but his injury was severe and coming back from it (see: Carson Palmer) was no guarantee.
Drafting Luck seems like a good idea for the future, but the Colts still need to take advantage of the opportunities they have now for challenging for more SB titles with the real MVP and trading for a boatload of high picks is the way to do that.
All of this assuming Manning is healthy again. If not, I expect him to retire. But I don’t see him giving up right now which leads me to believe he will be back and better than ever and will make the Colts and their fans pay dearly if they let him go.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
If he’s healthy, the year off could be totally refreshing for him. Brady came back from a devastating knee injury and had one of his better years, only to follow that up with one of his best.
This is all wishful thinking until we find out if Manning is good to go, but IF he comes back, there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t return to the same elite form.
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This is a no win
This is a no win, because everyone has their own thought process. I lived thru the bad years too, I watch Elway retire after the Super Bowl win, how have they been ? How has Miami been ? There is no right or wrong just a course of action that will be decided by management of the team and of course Manning. But all this talk does make for a better time then watching the Colts play this year.
Hi – Long time reader, first time poster.
Your definately my new favorite on this site. Well done. It’s very refreshing to see a little rationality and optimism on this site. It’s been a while. I think what has been lost in the shuffle of this Luck drama, is that regardless of the choice we make, I really think we will have a great QB and in turn a great team. It’s almost like choosing between an old Michael Jordan or a young Lebron James… how do you mess up that choice?
by Hoosier03 on Nov 18, 2011 9:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
same as hoosier
long time reader, dont post that often.
this article was very refreshing and well written. good stuff, i look forward to the 2012 colts and all the possibilities as well as more content like this from you.
This post is exactly...
what this site needed.
BBS and crew sure could use a lesson from this guy. Not only is the positive content refreshing to us as fans, but also the grammar and presentation are spot on.
These are the type of articles that make me want to come back and visit this site.
I share your sentiment on thinking positively. Look at JMV from 1070. (BBS isn’t a great example because he’s always been a negative nancey). JMV has tried to morph in to this Jim-Rome-Esque type of radio host that has honestly made me sick. It’s the exact reactive nature that makes me hate Bill Polian. Just like his radio show, this site has discouraged me from enjoying football and enjoying my team. Let’s be constructive! Not whiny little girls!
More posts about what we could do with the aftermath of this terrible season are in order!
Well done!
by NanceyBoy on Nov 18, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Holy Crap…some optimism on this site….not a mention of Bill Polian in this article. Is that allowed?
Well written and thought out. Thanks for this, I would agree it will all depend on Mannings health. I for one am not inclined to draft Luck if Manning is healthy. I say trade the pick and reload, we could use a talent infusion on this team.
Caldwell and Coyer need to go like right now but we will wait. I like the idea of drafting another O-Line position in the 1st. If we are trying to pull an Elway with Mannings last few years we will need to run the ball like never before.
by Ralla32 on Nov 18, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Great article.
I also loved how the entire article oozed class and it could be seen in your writing the time you took to think about what you wrote and take the time to craft it as a piece of literature and that you wanted it to be as free of grammar and punctuation mistakes as possible. I appreciate that and applaud you for it. I look forward to more articles from you, Stew.
Patience, indeed.
I’ll echo the previous comments – well done and carry on!
I think that we all agree that there is a tremendous opportunity for rebuilding through the draft and changes in the coaching staff (and consequently – coaching strategies). I’m concerned about the (justified) erosion in the trust that many seem to have in the organization’s decision making and I hope it can be repaired in the coming months (once this dreadful season is over). Patience is indeed the key word. Your levelheadedness is appreciated!
Very Nice
It’s good to read about positive possibilities in the face of an ofer. I just hope the Manning issue is clear one way or another before the draft takes place. The thought of making draft choices based on “Maybe’s” is pretty scary.
by tim55 on Nov 18, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I really think that the colts should draft a cornerback in an early round
Everyone is talking about drafting an o-linemen early but we can sign some free agents. Our biggest problem is the secondary and I don’t see the colts reloading the secondary with free agents like the eagles did
by SpanishColtsFan on Nov 18, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
cb and/or safety
He mentions Grimes out of ATL. I’ve been impressed with him but haven’t done my homework to know if he’s well rounded.
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The best CB for the Colts is Alfonzo Dennard from Nebraska. He’s a perfect fit for the Cover 2 but is a lte 1st round pick. They’ll probably grab someone like Chase Minnifield from Virginia at the top of the second if he falls out.
There aren’t really any great safeties in this draft. The best will probably grade out at the top of the third.
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Like the article, like the philosophies, glad to have you at StampedeBlue. Keep it comin!
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Great article..but change needs to come
I agre with most of what you said, Caldwell and Croyer and most of the coaches need to go. The problem I have with them is their failure to change, to work to the strength of who they have playing..Denver is doing a great job of using strengths to a advantage. I love Manning too, without him who knows if the Colts are still in Indy but when is a short term fix (Manning staying) better then a long term solution (Luck) ? Manning is a 36 year old QB with 3 neck surgeries, it is hard but the business mind says you have to take Luck if he’s there in a QB driven league. Cap savings alone should help us pick up a couple of young quality free agents to help Luck succeed. I wish Manning could play another 10 years but…time catches up to all of us.
I really, really like your thinking
If Peyton can demonstrate he’s recovered his capabilities and is good to go for 3-4 more elite seasons, I say stay with him and trade the top pick for a boatload. I have already started my 2012 “mock” with two picks in each of the first three rounds. We could target this year’s model of Andy Dalton as an upgrade to Curtis Painter in a fairly high round(2nd or 3rd). Sprinkle in a key free agent or so and off we go!
But, if Peyton can’t go, then our clear choice has to be Luck. And then be more aggressive in free agency.
Stew- I look forward to reading more from you on this site. Fair and balanced ! :-)
by oldecoltsfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well articulated article
Remember when we did not know what to do when the Colts had a bye week?
"Help, I've fallen in the tub and can't get up!"
Pretty good thoughts
My only worries are one, if we go WR, I believe Bowman fron Oklahoma State is the besy WR out there. He’s also a big physical target. And we all know offense will be fine once Peyton’s running it again so i’d like to focus on Defense because last time i checked we arent very good on defense.
Why on earth would you settle!!!
Suggesting we pass on Luck and “hope we get an Andy Dalton” sound ridiculous to me. Luck is no lock to be great, but you get the best quarterback period. If Luck sucks, we just weren’t very lucky. For every Andy Dalton there’s 15 Chad Henne’s. Worse than a crap shoot.
by mlc2656 on Nov 18, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And what about Manning?
Drafting Luck means another highly paid player sitting the bench, no extra picks and less draft picks in general to address several holes on the team. Drafting Luck means Manning would likely be pushed out soon (something I personally don’t want to see) and the team is looking at a few more seasons of few wins and high draft picks until the rebuilding is complete.
For all of those who want Luck and to forget about one of the all time greatest players, be careful because you might get what you ask for and it might not be pretty in the end.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I want Luck BUT I'm not forgetting about Manning
Manning is the greatest Colt ever, this city and team owes Manning a debt that can never be repayed. The loyalty to Manning is awesome and he helped build a winner but even Manning would not say forget about the future. Best case, Manning is here 4 years, fours more years maybe of picking bottom of the draft then we are in the same boat but with no chance to draft a quality QB. While we search for the guy to replace a legend, fans complain because we are losing year after year, so we end up like Miami or Denver after there legends retired. We have a great chance to pick up a guy that could be great for the next 10-15 years…we got to take it
I agree
Just don’t forget that if Manning goes another 4 years, it means that Luck has sat the bench for nearly his entire rookie contract and the team will be faced with the decision to make him a highly paid QB with no certainty that he is even any good.
That would be fascinating but could be disasterous.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I agree
If Manning is healthy great, after a year or two then trade Luck for a high draft pick, a year or two behind Manning who would not want him. Then you draft the best QB in the draft…hoping that there’s a good one, but we have to protect the organization. I do not want to go thru want happened when the Colts started playing in Indy.
Trading Manning speeds rebuilding.
We could possibly get a two first round picks for him.
This scenario would give me another team to root for, for the next “couple” of years.
by mlc2656 on Nov 20, 2011 7:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know the focus is on the draft
But I think I’m almost as excited by the notion of possibly getting new coaches. Whoever takes the reigns is going to be getting the keys to a well oiled machine. Someone with a defensive mind who has a streak of aggressiveness can really fix up this defense and make it a force to be reckoned with. I know I speak as if a change is a certainty, but I have to keep that belief I might just lose it next year.
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We shouldn't out-think ourselves
Nice article, Stew, and exactly the type of content this site needs more of (rational discussion up, vitriol down).
That said, I hope the Colts don’t overthink the problem. If they have the No. 1 pick, take Luck. He’s the best prospect in the draft. He’s at a position of need for the team. Take him and sort the rest out.
Great Post and I agree we shouldn't out-think ourselves
They should take Luck and sort it out later. The Colts could always trade him at any time for draft picks.
i said at the beginning of the season that losing manning could be a good thing because the colts might then be in a position to draft andrew luck with the first pick. one blogger here thought i was crazy, saying the colts were gonna be better than the chiefs, bengals, bills, and i forgot what other teams he/she might have mentioned. but, i knew all along that peyton manning is as terrific as he’s proven, especially right now that he isn’t playing. the colts have been a mediocre team, but quasi-brilliant while peyton plays. i’ve said all along, he’s the greatest qb in nfl history.
having said that, i would draft luck and trade peyton for draft picks. this a business, and you have to look to improve your product long-term. you’ve gotten results from peyton, now look at the next 10-15 years. go with luck.
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haha
Yeah man, good call there. In my wildest dreams I thought the colts would be a 2-3 win team just because of their tough schedule this year, but i NEVER thought we would end up 0-16.
I thought we would be better than the seahawks, bungals, and the panthers. To my credit this was at the beginning of the season. This has been a wild and entertaining year in football. Too bad we suck and I can’t enjoy actually feeling like my team has a shot to make the playoffs.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Nov 18, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
oh, it was you? lol. well, your lucky that you’ve had a great team for so many years. unfortunately, all great ones have to move on at some point, leaving our team in disarray for a period of time. but i have no doubt the colts are in good hands. bill polian is a great football mind. your team will be great for many more years.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Isn't it possible...
that Luck could tell Indy he doesn’t want to play for the team and demand to be traded like Eli did when he went number 1 to SD? This year has revealed weaknesses in every aspect of this organization, he may not get the money he wants (not sure what the cap is for rookies now) and/or if Manning is playing he won’t get to play right away so maybe he wouldn’t want to be a Colt.
I don't think so
We may have had our problems this year..but for the most part this is a solid organization with some very good players and a great history of winning.
Wow.
Thank you all so much for having the patience to read my rambles. There are a lot of great opinions and possible scenarios within the comments and that’s exactly what I was aiming for with this article.
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you also forgot or I missed reading it that
we get a 4th place division schedule next year!!! But cannot afford any more whiffs in the draft from the POLIANS!!!!!
and if Peyton is healthy
and they win at least 9-10 games and make the playoffs , a guaranteed 5th MVP,, I heard a few people were voting for him this year for MVP LOL
when im here
we will win the souperbowl
cuz im hungry
campbells
hell yeah
canadas marriage is like their money, or military, no one takes it seriously
Anyone else see the article on NFL.com?
Eli was talking about Peyton recovering well
Heres the link basically he says Peytons rehabbing aggressively and might be ready sometime this year but definitely next year
Also who is starting the
Peyton for MVP petition
He is undoubtedly the Most Valuable Player no one else could win while not even playing even fans of other teams recognize it
How Peyton recovers will make the decision for the Colts's
If he demonstrates before the draft that he has recovered his arm strength and we still have the #1 pick, take Luck or trade the pick – whichever yields the most future draft picks. If Peyton doesn’t recover, take Luck and Manning retires.
Very Good
You are coming close to the pure logic needed when March 5th comes around. I believe that whoever is GM after this season is over needs to come up with the correct decisions ( in order that they are likely to occur ):
1-Was Manning able to demonstrate that he is making progress on that regenerating nerve?
This is key as to whether or not they decide to cut Peyton and save the 28 mil.
2-Did Manning participate in practice and/or a game at the end of the season to demonstrate that he
is coming back? This is important not only for Peyton, but also for the GM should he try to shop
Peyton later. If the Colts have the #1 pick locked up during the final week, and insert Peyton into
the game, this would strongly indicate willingness to trade Peyton at some point. If they keep him
sidelined despite him successfully practicing, that could indicate they want to hang on to him.
If he plays well, other teams ( I’m thinking Redskins or Seahawks ) would be willing to give up a
bundle for him even for only 2-3 years of glory.
3-If the Colts have the #1 pick, do you take Luck? With Peyton’s neck a continuing worry for the
future, with the rookie salary cap helping you afford Luck, and with the thought of Luck’s potential
learning under the master, you have to seriously consider it. With the Colt’s core of talent aging,
do you decide to go for one more title, or continue rebuilding? Well, this bunch has only one title
in the Manning era, and are bucking the odds that they’ll get one more in the 2-3 years Peyton has
left ( if healthy ).
4-In the draft, they key is to extract the most leverage while preserving the best future at QB. See if
some team in the NFC wants to give up the farm for Peyton. If not, have him show Luck how it’s
done for one season, while giving Peyton one more shot at getting a mediocre team to the Super
Bowl. Then, with Luck educated for 2013, get the best ransom you can in a pre-draft trade of
Peyton. This way, you at least gave him another shot in 2012, while you still get one or two
valuable picks in the 2013 draft. It’s what I call ‘the middle course’. It’s ‘delayed gratification’ that
could get you almost as many draft picks as you would have in 2012 by trading either Peyton or
the #1 pick, plus you have a young, proven monster of a QB.
Regardless, for his sake as well as for the team’s sake, Peyton must get healthy. Having to cut
him would be a huge loss for the game, and set back the Colt’s rebuilding program by at least a
year. Thanks to Peyton for all he’s done, and I pray he can continue.
by Ufansince65 on Nov 18, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
preciate the positive look-see
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by RockyRippleColtsFan on Nov 18, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions
A needs based draft
I think it’s now crystal clear that the Colts need to address the QB situation for the post Manning era.
It’s probably going to take 2-3 years to hone a replacement of high quality.
The time to start that process is in this draft with Luck or another top QB prospect.
They might even be able to trade down with the first pick, getting additional picks, and still grab a QB of quality.
Even if Manning comes back, he’s only one hit away from being out for good.
All it could take is one blindside sack to force Manning to retire.
The Colts basically do not have a backup QB, and that flaw has been evident for years.
Not having a backup is not a flaw but a direct offshoot of the strategy the Colts used to build a team. Most backup QBs are bad to mediocre and the mediocre ones usually demand several million per year. The Colts decided to take that money and invest it in better players elsewhere rather than tie it down in a player who would never see the field. The Colts built there system around Manning and he is the only one who can run it with any effectiveness. That’s by design. It’s a high risk-high reward strategy. We’ve seen the rewards, this is the risk.
Designed high risk
Employing a high risk strategy is seriously flawed in my opinion.
Not choosing to find a decent backup to Manning may have saved money but the Colts didn’t use that savings wisely.
They kept Bob Sanders, with his huge salary, who was unable to contribute at all.
Instead they cut Matt Giordano, who could contribute.
They invested little defensively, choosing to concentrate on Manning.
They let Session go, just as they did with Thornton, Washington, and Peterson.
With all the concentration on Manning, the team is not surprisingly one dimensional and indeed it paid the price in their most recent Super Bowl.
For all the resources that went into building a one dimensional team, the collapse this year is even more telling.
Somewhat of a Circle Jerk, but
An excellent reflection of the needs of the team and of the fans.
Bravo!
by RxColt on Nov 18, 2011 11:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good Job, Stew
Nice to see the positive side come out again around here. It’s much needed.
Can’t wait to read your future articles.
Why is Luck always wearing a brace?
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Hey Guys
Falcon fan here. Great to see you all keeping your heads up. We were awful in 2007 and had the likes of Joey Harrington QB’ing our team which eventually concluded in a 5-11 season. We made some nice free agent signings and had a good draft and finished the next season at 11-5. I’m sure you guys can do the same. Just take the positives of this season and hope they can translate into success next year. God bless, and I’m sure you’ll be right back atop the AFC soon.
Mike Adams is not a quality T in the NFL
If you want a traffic cone like Ryan Diem, you take him.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 20, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions
I have nothing to add.
That is the greatest compliment I can give any article, and this one deserves it.
If Peyton is healthy, we are definitely trading Luck. Do we seriously expect Luck to be better than Peyton, arguably the best qb EVER (though Rodgers is getting there)?
by Peter Storgaard on Nov 21, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions
wrong
we arent definitely trading luck
and who expects him to be better than manning? why does that even matter?
A healthy Manning
would probably mean at least three more years of guaranteed playoff appearances. I would take that over some rookie who might not be, what everyone thinks he is. Especially if we can trade said rookie for a couple of first round picks (and probably more than that).
by Peter Storgaard on Nov 22, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
a healthy manning
is more than likely not even an option. its time to look at the future. if manning is part of the near future then great. but we need to get our qb of the future and luck is that guy

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