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Recap Of The Bill Polian Show: Week 11, 2011

After Bill Polian's meltdown on the radio following the Colts now-infamous handling of the Week Sixteen game against the New York Jets in 2009, the Colts have blocked the call-in radio program named 'The Bill Polian Show' from Internet listeners. This show features Colts vice chairman Bill Polian, and it allows regular Colts fans to call-in and ask him questions which he, frequently, gets annoyed answering. It is the only Colts content that is not streamed live on the net. Thus, because Colts fans outside the Indianapolis area cannot listen in on the show, we provide highlights from the program, which often include Bill Polian saying things he later claims he did not say. However, since the Colts and Mr. Polian do not provide fans or media with recordings of the show, you'll just have to take our word that what we write below is indeed what Mr. Polian actually said. Hope you enjoy.

Stampede Blue live-tweets the highlights while the show is happening.You can follow Stampede Blue on Twitter at @stampedeblue.

Recaps like this week's are the reason why we do what we do each week for 'The Bill Polian Show.' Regardless of whether or not the Colts play a game on Sunday, that doesn't stop the Colts vice chairman from going on the radio and saying outright lies and subtle half-truths in a seemingly desperate attempt to retain credibility as the football franchise he built inches closer and closer to an 0-16 season.

If you listened to tonight's show (and if you lived outside Indianapolis, you couldn't), Bill Polian told you that free agency is useless, Donald Brown is a terrific player, and that Marvin Harrison conducted the single greatest workout of any wide receiver he's ever seen prior to the 1996 NFL Draft. Bill said that he and personnel executive Dom Anile were blown away by the workout, that Harrison was a once-in-a-decade player, and that they wished they had had the opportunity to draft Harrison when both worked for the Panthers in 1996.

Bill failed to mention that he did have a chance to take Harrison, but instead took runningback Tim Biakabutuka with the 8th overall pick in the 1996 NFL Draft.

The Colts, and then-vice president Bill Tobin, took Harrison 19th overall. So, despite having 'the single best workout of a WR than any other WR he's ever seen,' Polian passed on Harrison and took a mediocre runningback. SI's Will Carroll was following along with our live tweet tonight, and posted these zingers on Twitter:

So if "best ever" WR (per Polian) is Marvin Harrison and he went mid-1st in draft, what case can be made for drafting anyone higher?

And by passing on him, they filled the need in the next draft with … Rae Carruth!

Again, it's for moments like these that we follow and recap the show.

Here is the recap:

  • Bob Lamey started out the show by discussing Marvin Harrison and how he will be inducted into the Colts 'Ring of Honor' this weekend. Bill Polian said that, back in 1996 when he was general manager of the Panthers, Harrison had single best workout of a WR than any other WR he's ever seen.
  • Polian said the Panthers worked Harrison out the year after Carolina went to the AFC Championship Game. Thus, they didn't have a chance to draft Harrison. Polian said he wished he'd had a chance to take Harrison. (Reality: Not true. Harrison was drafted in 1996. Panthers had the No. 8 pick in the draft that year, and passed on Harrison. Colts took Harrison 19th overall in '96.)
  • Bill Polian called Harrison the best WR he's seen in 15 years. Called him a 'clutch performer,' and he should be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Star-divide

  • Bob Lamey asked Bill what he thought of criticism that Marvin Harrison couldn't play well against the New England Patriots. 'Come on!' Bill said. 'Who says that?' Lamey then responded, 'New England.' Polian then said, 'Well, let's deal in facts.'
  • Polian stated that he, and the coaches, were the ones who told Harrison to always 'go down' instead of taking a big hit.
  • A caller asked about Kerry Collins contract and why didn't the Colts pursue David Garrard. Polian responded that it was well known throughout the industry that Garrard was not healthy at start of the season. He also said the Colts paid 'the going rate' for a backup QB when they signed Collins. He once again stated that the hit which gave Collins the season-ending concussion that absolutely no one believes he received was an illegal hit. Polian failed to identify the hit, when Collins got it, or who delivered it.
  • Polian said he assumed that, back in August, Collins would play 4-6 games in 2011 and then Peyton Manning would be back. Then, a week after signing Collins, Peyton had spinal fusion surgery. The surgery was a 'complete surprise,' says Bill.
  • SI's Will Carroll, responding to Polian's comments about Peyton's 'surprise' surgery: 'So, you knew the Jags QB wasn't healthy, but weren't sure about your own.'
  • A caller asked about the free agency market, why Colts haven't signed free agents recently. Also, the caller had a question about the Colts conditioning and whether it is causing the Colts the ridiculous string of injuries they've had the last four years. Polian responded that he is very weary of free agency. It's not an answer to anyone's 'critical needs.'
  • Polian said the Colts study the free agency effect in basketball and baseball. Said FAs make a difference in baseball and basketball, not football. FAs do not help football teams in any way.
  • Polian said Colts owner Jim Irsay is the reason the Colts do not venture much in free agency.
  • Polian said the Colts study every injury a player gets and then run the statistics through a computer. Based on this, Polian said his opinions are 'based on hard, statistical fact.' (Reality: I thought Bill Polian hated stats.)
  • Polian: Conditioning is 'not a factor' in the Colts ridiculous string of injuries.
  • Polian: I'm as frustrated by the injuries as fans are.
  • A caller asked if Darren Evans would get more carries this week. Bill Polian responded by talking about how supposedly wonderful Donald Brown. Polian called Brown 'a terrific player.'
  • Great tweet from a follower: 'Lesean McCoy has rushed for more yards through 10 weeks than Brown has in his career..Brown drafted ahead of McCoy.'
  • A caller, who likely doesn't run a corporation, stated that everyone wants to second guess the Polians, and if anyone knew how to run a corporation like the Colts, they won't second guess them.
  • Polian: 'We've never failed to rise' when the Colts has gotten knocked down.
  • Polian took his seemingly weekly shot at 'draft gurus.' According to Polian, the draft gurus though Ryan Leaf was the 'greatest QB of all time' this time back in 1997.
  • Stephanie Stradley of the Houston Chronicle: 'B Polian said free agency is useless for NFL teams>>> FWIW, Johnathan Joseph is having a All Pro type yr for .'
  • Polian: Colts must play great defense to beat Panthers

Thanks to all those who followed along last night. You can follow along too @stampedeblue.

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Ryan Leaf vs. Andrew Luck

So if everyone thought that Ryan Leaf was the greatest ever, and Bill said no; and those same people are now saying that Andrew Luck is the greatest ever, will Bill say no again?

I personally am not sold on Luck and think he will be a bust when compared to his outrageous projections and the pressure he will be faced with. I hope Bill makes the right decision….err I mean Chris.

I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by AceOfSpades on Nov 21, 2011 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

no one thought that

Leaf got 70 first place votes for the Heisman in ’97

Manning got 281 while Woodson got 433

by JCub3d on Nov 21, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

HEISMAN VOTES

have nothing to do with pro potential. Manning and Leaf was a very close close call in the draft. Its simply not true to say that Manning was the clear choice. Manning was seen as the “safer” choice while Leaf was seen as the guy with the higher “upside”.

by javen on Nov 22, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It's also not true

to say that everyone thought Leaf was the greatest QB ever. As you said, it was split about 50/50. If Bill tried to make it out like picking Manning was some genius move, then he was being disingenuous.

by FatDT on Nov 22, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

WHEN DID

Polian claim that picking Manning was a genius move? They did a total scouting analysis of each player and made what turned out to be a franchise changing pick. He and his scouts deserve total credit for the pick. Most GM’s thought Leaf would be a franchise quarterback as well. Look what Beatherd gave up to move up to the second pick. He made that trade before the Colts decided on Manning. He stated he would be happy with either quarterback.
i don’t mind people on this board dissecting Polian’s drafting history but I do mind when they start changing the “facts” to accomodate their view that Polian’s draft successes were “no brainer” picks. Taking James over Williams, or Freeney much higher than projected or taking a tight end in the first round when help was needed on defense. They were controversial at the time and subject to much criticism. Ultimately, Polian’s judgement was proven correct.

by javen on Nov 22, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Even though

the season was over before it began, the Bill Polian entertainment factor makes it all worth it.

by Ayrshire on Nov 21, 2011 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Go fuck yourself polian

TimeOut

by Jim"TimeOut"Caldwell on Nov 21, 2011 9:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions   3 recs

houston chronicle comment and recap

I have been on suicide watch since week 1….I guess tonight is the night…..this shrivelled old bastard leaves me no choice!
At this point I will pray every night that more colts fans leave the pack…..I cannot believe bastard Polian answers dedicated fans or people in general…the way he does!
I will also pray that bloggers who post on this site continue exposing this fraud….free agency is useless? Hummmmmmmmmm!!!
Apparently there are too many big football players in free agency ….so Old bastard Polian would not be interested….smurfs who break down are his Passion
What a ginger jerk? Old fart……oh ya and if he hasn’t read lately….his coach is the laughing stock of the NFL….and pretty the entire team…..I this Cartman from southpark said it best….FINGERS ARE SOUL-LESS

by sundaywager on Nov 21, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions   3 recs

Hhhhmmmm

Interesting how you mix cursing and bashing red heads (my son is one) with your prayers.

by GrizzColt on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fingers, too.

"Cat in the wall, eh? Ok, now you're talking my language. I know this game."
-Charlie

by Addai Another Aday on Nov 22, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Critical Needs?

Free Agency is not answer to anyone’s critical needs? Honestly?

You know that quarterback that beat the Colts a few years ago? What his name – oh, yeah, DREW FRICKIN BREES!!!! Yeah, I’d say that was an answer to a team’s critical needs – a team that critically needed a franchise quarterback to lead their team to a Super Bowl title.

Moron.

Honestly, who the hell does he think he is making that comment.

by 88horsepower on Nov 21, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He's a great actor

making himself look more and more insane each week.

by FatDT on Nov 22, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

the Polian illusion

For those who are confused about the hatred for GINGER BILL…..go online and review his epic failure that everyone seems to deem a HOF general manager miracle!
Please!
Arrogance is not a problem if you can back it up!
Again hopefully that shriveled old bastard will hopefully decide to retire or go extremely deaf from listening to everyone laughing at him and his inept kid…..side-kick!
So in closing do not be confused about the Polian illusion…..it is nothing more than mental masturbation….or bill Polian purposing abusing other people for his own sick and twisted gratification

by sundaywager on Nov 21, 2011 11:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Maybe some of what Polian says is valid

Look at this year. The Eagles loaded up on Free Agents on both sides of the ball and look at they’re a losing team. Maybe not 0-10 but a losing team nonetheless. Honestly, it’s not really about the personnel so much as it being the Coach and Coordinators that help get those players to that level. Peyton Manning have been who he’s been without Tom Moore??

by Ovaltine Jenkins on Nov 21, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

God I hope you're not the same ovaltine from peegs.com

If you are then please save your Peyton hate for the Vikings board.

by SoCalHoosier on Nov 22, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

What Peyton hate?

Anyone who doesn’t recognize what Peyton Manning is as an all around QB can get kicked in the nads. I’ve been a Colts fan since I was 13 yrs old and Peyton Manning has been my idol because of the way he carries himself on and off the field but I beg the question would Peyton Manning be the quarterback he is without any of the coaches that he had throughout his career? A more interesting question would be would our back quarterbacks be better if Tom Moore were still around? Oh and there is only one true Ovaltine and he’s a die-hard Colts fan. GO COLTS!

by Ovaltine Jenkins on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

to answer your question

yes. but tom moore def wouldn’t have been “tom moore” without peyton. let’s face it, moore was just another coach before he teamed up with peyton. hell, i think he was coaching the running backs in new orleans.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Nov 23, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Donald

In all seriousness, donald brown is having a good year given the circumstances.

Side note: polians aren’t going anywhere soon, especially coming off a solid draft and maybe the most important draft for the team since ‘98. Not a good time for massive change. It’s jim irsay’s call, and he has been pretty vocal about his support of them. Time to move on from bashing them at every single oppurtunity? Would be nice but i won’t hold my breathe.

by ColtKing on Nov 21, 2011 11:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Just stop it

no RB on the Colts is having a “good year” because none of them get the ball enough. Stop justifying. He wasn’t a good pick and you know it.

by FatDT on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true.

The Colts RB’s are having a pretty good year. The only reason they’re not getting the ball enough is because we’re usually down by so much early on that we have to pretty much abandon the running game.

by NFLFan83 on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

stop crying~!

Bill Polian has single handily orchestrated the greatest hoax in NFL history in order to create the optimal scenario that will allow his son to reign supreme over another great 10 year run for the Indianapolis Colts/city of Indianapolis. Ask yourself this question: Would you rather have Peyton Manning play this year and possibly next on a bum neck pulling in around 10-11 wins and putting us in the top of the next two draft classes, ORRR would you rather have a 0-16 record and get arguably the next John Elway/Peyton Manning/Dan Marino which would guarantee this franchise AT LEAST 10 more years of superb QB play and superbowl contention? Bill is an A-Hole (Im not arguing that), but the genius is undeniable. These radio shows are just another example of how well he has duped the public into believing that HE really believes what he’s saying. If this all works out the way I think it will, we’ll be kissing Polian’s feet in 2014.(i say 2014-2015 because I am assuming next year will be a transition year not unlike 1998-1999 was for the Peyton Manning Era.)
      I realize that I am not factoring in a return of Manning. The reality is that no one knows if this guy will make it back or if he will be any good. The one thing i do know is that Peyton isn’t going to make a fool of himself or put himself into any real danger if he isn’t 100% healthy. He isn’t Brett Favre. If he leaves the game, it’s because he truly won’t be able to play. Our team will be fine either way. Also, theres no reason he and Andrew Luck can’t coexist on the same roster, especially with the new Rookie Salary Structure.
     MY ALTERNATE THEORY ON PEYTON/LUCK. If Peyton does come back, I imagine the team will give him 1 year to prove himself and get the Colts to the promised land. What’s that you say? “the team has a crappy defense!” “The team has a shoddy Offensive line!” (it’s not like he hasn’t been able to do it with the same deficiencies before) If he can’t get them to at least the AFCCG then I imagine the colts will cut ties with him and begin the Luck era.

 Either way the fans win.

This is the way to keep a franchise truly elite.

#suckforluck is going to mean much more for this team/fanbase than anyone ever thought. I for one will smile everytime this team walks away with an L in the win/loss column.

Go Colts!

by pattymac on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It seems a little nutty

but I agree. Now I don’t think the players themselves are throwing the season. But I think Bill has put the team in a positions where they don’t really have a chance. He’ll take the criticism and retire. His son can then make the right remarks publicly distancing himself from his dad’s bad decisions, draft Luck, and hopefully make better draft day decisions than his dad did from 05-10.

by FatDT on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Bill doesn't take criticism.

So, I don’t think your theory is accurate.

by Ayrshire on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Some grains of truth

in what you say, but the acquiring of Kerry Collins doesn’t mesh. Collins has won games before. It seems like he would have gone straight to Painter who hardly even got practice snaps.

by GrizzColt on Nov 22, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Like him or not folks Polian has a knack for getting it right when it comes to football decisions. On the field and in the office. Now his manners may leave a lot to be desired but he wasn’t hired to be mother theresa.
He has to manage 53 different superjocks and a coaching staff as well so his obligation really is to the team and its players. I agree with pattymac his genius is sometimes undeniable.
How many people have eaten crow already on the Painter vs Collins debate. Rest versus rust debate? Do you understand now why he always wanted to wrap Peyton and co in cotton wool after all meaningful games were won?

Some of you are such big homers that you don’t stop to think that gasp, could Peyton have faked it during his physical?? Gasp?? I mean is some snot nosed medical sports intern going to tell the NFL’s biggest personality, football obsessive control freak that he has to miss time of for 2011?? Because he didn’t pass his physical? Some guy at work joke that Peytons physical involved lifting the pen and signing the dotted line.
Either way Polian does what is good for the viability of the franchise. So i trust that one last time Polian will leave us in a good situation before he fades of into the sunlight it is after all about his legacy. I hope they sell Lucks rights for a ransom if Peytons healthy and take Barkley. Imagine the ability of a team to take a year of then get right back on the horse. Those are the cards we have been dealt and to be honest Bill Polian has done as good a job as anyone given the situation were all in.

by Pili-One on Nov 22, 2011 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

'Polian has a knack for getting it right when it comes to football decisions.'

Yeah, right. Like tanking the perfect season when you’re 14-0. Brilliant. That’s quite a knack.

by Ayrshire on Nov 22, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

He had a knack once

but people bringing it up like it still applies today are just writing fiction and ignoring the poor roster management of the last 5 years.

by FatDT on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

yes but

that doesnt mean he is completely incapable to build a really good team. not saying he will but to say he is incapable of it would be pretty dumb

by omahacolt on Nov 22, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He's done more harm than good

the last 5 years. There is no rational reason to think he will change suddenly.

by FatDT on Nov 23, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Bill Polian

Had a great career and did some great things with Buffalo, Carolina, and the Colts, but man, he has lost his mind. I agree that FA isn’t as effective in the NFL as it is in MLB or NBA, but FA is still useful.

Pat McAfee 2012 Pro Bowl bound!
Anthony Calvillo - 72,382 passing yards - pro football's all-time leader
Jon Stewart for President 2016
OCCUPY BILL POLIAN'S OFFICE

by KBUnitz on Nov 22, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

The problem...

The problem the Colts are having is that they have been at the top so long, they haven’t been getting top draft choices. Now, other teams may compensate for this by signing free agents, but the Colts do not believe in Free Agency, so the overall level of the team is going to decline…especially when they bust on their top choices.

by Kurtayn on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 AM EST reply actions  

BBS

Polian isn’t going anywhere. Your crying and taking cheapshots doesn’t do anything but make you sound like an immature kid. You ban people exactly like yourself. Your trolling your own site.

by VERNON HOWELL on Nov 22, 2011 6:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

polian's genius

If polian was such a genius, why has he only won 1 super bowl, despite having the best qb of all time? Could it be because he never bothered to fix a porous defense, relying on his qb to score 40 points to win? People always want to judge a qb on championships, but the gm is the one who needs to be judged on them, since building a championship team is his job. We need to stop giving him credit for what he’s done in the distant past. All he’s been able to do is make teams that succeed in the regular season and fail in the playoffs due to bad defense and a porous offensive line. Its time for him to go

by BWhitecap on Nov 22, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

You forgot about Jim Kelly

Got to several SB’s but did not win them. Each SB loss was larger than the one before. Slow burn to the cellar, just like the colts…

by PurdueBoiler1995 on Nov 22, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the biggest negative you can say about Bill Polian

Is that he has a hard time admitting he’s wrong. But if you read a number of blogs (not just this one) and you understand the history of what Bill Polian has done, he’s a pretty darned good GM. It’s easy to take any speech and tear it apart. If Polian had done the “Ask now what you’re country can do for you” Kennedy speech, this site would be accusing him of being a right-wing, Neo Nazi.

Bottom line is that some major problems with our franchise QB, and with the team built around a high scoring QB, has caused this to be a dismal season. Look at any other team with a young QB (Chiefs, Jags, etc.) and note how a lack of scoring power causes the team to get destroyed. I watched 2/3rds of the game last night (Pats/Chiefs) and the Pats looked beatable by any competent team that could actually score in the red zone. Instead, the Chiefs QB could not close the deal.

This Manning injury is a wakeup call to the team and management that we need to start planning for the future so we do NOT end up with an inexperienced QB leading the team to 2-3 seasons of 8-8 or worse records.

As for Polian, he gets enough accolades from real sports networks and sites that it really doesn’t matter what’s posted here.

by buymymonkey on Nov 22, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

No, the biggest negative

is that he has sucked at roster management for 5 years.

by FatDT on Nov 23, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

That is just not true. 99% of what I read about Polian on THIS blog is just personal attacks, no evidence, no research, nothing. Just gut feelings.

by buymymonkey on Nov 23, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Polian: Colts must play great defense to beat Panthers

Well that shouldn’t be a problem considering we have a “TERRIFIC!” head coach with the “best LB corp in the league” and safeties who are playing “outstanding” because of the tuteledge of our “TERRIFIC!” head coach.

by coldy4goldy on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

I think Polian does these shows just to troll and upset BBS

Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB

by danorocks17 on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

What a wondeful thought.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats

win a lot of regular season games, win their division, lose in the playoffs (or lose the Super Bowl) and everyone says BB and the Pats are the greatest. They are basically living off of their Super Bowl runs a decade ago.

by GrizzColt on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

and I only say that

because talking heads look to them as the model. If you haven’t won the Super Bowl in a decade, should you really be the model????

by GrizzColt on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Delone Carter going to get more carries this week?

He was benched for fumbling, but I still think he’s better than Brown and he’s just a rookie – those things happen and you don’t help the guy benching him

by SpanishColtsFan on Nov 22, 2011 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I like how

only he has been punished so harshly. He fumbled twice. Big fucking deal. The whole team has screwed up continually yet Lacey got tons of chances, Painter got game after game to improve, Clark continued to start despite dropping tons of passes, Mike Pollak keeps getting playing time, on and on.

Carter is the best blend of speed, power, and vision on the team. I will admit that even though the Donald Brown love is out of control on this site he has improved. They both need more carries, and in situations that make sense. No more Brown on 3rd and short, for example.

by FatDT on Nov 23, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The Brown on 3rd and short is incredibly dumb.

Brown’s had a lot of success this season, especially compared to Carter, but 3rd and short is not one of them. On downs with 3 or less to go, Brown’s succeeded on 40% of his runs, Carter’s succeeded on 76.9%.

That’s why Carter was drafted! Use him!

by James Broschat on Nov 23, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i stopped listening to BP a long time ago

the man should be a politician. he could probably talk people into actually liking two and a half men…

I now just mute the TV and play benny hill music when he is at a presser.

by Straight Out The Burbs on Nov 22, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Do you also mute him when he is on the radio?

"Help, I've fallen in the tub and can't get up!"

by PV Mike on Nov 22, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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