Colts Should Make A Claim For Kyle Orton If They Don't Want Andrew Luck
Curtis Painter is the third worst rated quarterback currently starting in the NFL at 67.4. He's one notch better than the immortal Rex Grossman. With 5 TDs, 7 INTs, a 54% competition percentage, and a gaggle of fumbles, the Painter Experiment has been a disaster this season.
Yesterday, for reasons that are still a bit sketchy, the Broncos released their Week One starting quarterback, Kyle Orton. Orton has thrown 49 TDs and 29 INTs the last three years, completing roughly 60% of his passes. Not a flashy player, but a very solid one. Certainly, he's worth the $2.5 million a team would be on the hook for should they claim him off waivers, especially when you consider the Jurassic Kerry Collins got the 'going rate' for a back-up with $4 mill in Indianapolis this year.
Again, Orton was cut by Denver. He must pass through waivers. The team listed No. 1 in the waiver order is the 0-10 Colts. Seems obvious that the Colts will make a claim on Orton. Right?
Mike Florio at PFT thinks Indy should make a claim on Orton, a popular player in the Hoosier state because he played his college ball at Purdue. If the Colts don't put in a claim, Florio thinks they'll look like they are tanking to get the No. 1 overall pick in 2012.
At the top of the stack, what better way to test whether the Colts are in full-blown "Suck for Luck" mode than to see whether they’d bring in a quarterback who is significantly better than Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky? They’d be crazy not to make a claim. Unless they’re truly crazy for Andrew Luck.
I think most would agree Orton is an upgrade over Painter and Orlovsky. On the surface, it's obvious the QB position for the Colts is a mess. Orton is intelligent, has physical ability, and has shown a knack for picking up complex offenses quickly. He fills a need position now and for the future.
If you are looking to draft a quarterback in the first round next year, Kyle Orton is a better transition option at QB for a rebuilding team than Peyton Manning. Peyton will be 36 next year, and likely isn't interested in being part of a rebuilding effort at this stage of his career. Also, unlike Peyton, Orton is not hurt. His future playing career is not in jeopardy. So, if the Colts are looking for anything and anyone to help them win a football game, if they are searching to get the best possible players available on this team, signing Orton makes sense both in the short and long term.
Also, should he leave as a free agent in March of 2012, the Colts would be in line for a compensatory draft pick. Considering how putrid the talent is on this roster, that alone should motivate an Orton claim.
However, if the team's intention is to indeed 'Suck 4 Luck' and hope to grab Stanford's Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick, then signing Orton now could throw a monkey wrench in that.
A front office is either going everything possible to win, or they aren't. There's no in-between. Should the Colts not make a claim for Orton, the perception around the league will continue to build that the Indy front office is tanking the season. By tanking, I don't mean that they are telling players to tackle poorly, or that they are ordering Curtis Painter to regress as a quarterback week-to-week. The perception now is that they are content to ride the season out with the their current roster, which, as their 0-10 record clearly indicates, it devoid of quality talent. Thus, by keeping this crap roster the same, it insures the Colts will finish worst in the league in 2011.
That, in a sense, is tanking.
Again, a front office is either going everything possible to win, or they aren't. A team that's 0-10 should be scrambling to add talented players wherever they can get them. When they don't, when they pass up obvious talent that can help them, it raises eyebrows.
So, yeah. If the Polians want to avoid looking like they are tanking 2011, they should make a claim for Orton. If they don't, then are then clearly in full-blown "Suck 4 Luck" mode.
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Not a fan of Orton.
And as much as I like Luck, I’m all for trading him. Expectations on this kid are through the roof, and he could net a lot of picks or picks + a player.
Colts have so many needs. They aren’t going through FA. They build through the draft, so they need all the picks they can get. RGIII would be a suitable guy to trade down for or Clairborne.
My mind is always changing about Luck, but that’s how I feel at this point.
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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
All over the place!!!
This is definately one of my favorite sites for Colts info, but I can’t help but laugh at your tone and opinions sometimes.
I think we all agree, getting the number one pick in the upcoming draft is what’s infinitely best for the franchise.
Teams like Chicago and Houston ( contenders should be interested in his services)
by mlc2656 on Nov 23, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Either way you pick up Orton!! Here is why, even if you pick him up, you’re not going to play him for the next 3 games anyhow which happens to be Carolina, New England and Baltimore. Let Orton work on the sideline with Manning and LEARN from Manning. Then allow Painter to start the last 3 games against Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville (so we will obviously be behind) and then allow Orton to play the second half along with let our running game get some extra practice.
This still sets up for the draft and next year. We will still get the number one pick! Plus we will have a quality backup QB for once.
Again, this goes two (well three, now) ways…
#1. Manning is healthy and comes back 100% next year. You pick up Orton knowing he is an upgraded backup QB, we still get the #1 pick and we trade for picks and move back a few spots so we can sign the next Julio Jones or AJ Green to replace Wayne (I don’t want him to go either but he is leaving). Then use the extra picks on the Defense and get some quality players.
#2. Manning is NOT healthy and is not going to be playing football at all or for the Colts. We draft Andrew Luck and Orton is there to start the season next year along with the fact that he has some experience working with Manning and can help Luck transfer into the organization a little easier. Obviously not as great if Manning WAS there but still you get the idea.
Possible #3 option… Manning is 100% and they draft Luck and have Orton on the roster and use him for trade bait or the pick after the draft as mentioned. Not really crazy about option 3, but I am not generally crazy about anything the FO has done lately.
The best part of all of this is that Painter and Ovlosky are GONE along with Caldwell and the coaches!!
No on Orton.
There’s no point in signing him now. If we were in the playoff race I’d be all for it. The best thing for the franchise right now is to get the #1 pick. Once we find out the health of Manning we either stockpile picks or draft luck and rebuild.
by VERNON HOWELL on Nov 23, 2011 9:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wait.
Yesterday you claimed that Manning and Luck were too much for the Colts to handle viably under the cap.
Today, you want the Colts to claim Kyle Orton and his $8.9 million contract?
Manning and Luck would total about $21.2 million. Adding Orton this year would put the Colts QB cap hit over 30 million dollars.
I don’t have the cap numbers in front of me, but I’m betting that they don’t have $9 million of space.
He got cut
So he wouldn’t he get a new contract? Not too sure on this. But am I the only one who prefers a healthy Peyton to Luck, Orton, Painter, etc.? I think it’d be unfair to cut somebody who put so much into the team and actually made them great
No.
Not if he’s claimed off of waivers
by James Broschat on Nov 23, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, lets totally abandon this idea of being competitive going forward and promote cronyism
Lets hire Peyton’s wife to coach. Lets hire his kids to run the front office.
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Orton would cost $2.5 mil for remaining 2011
Why waste the money or roster spot on someone that is not in the plans for 2012? Can’t risk losing the opportunity for the #1 pick. Don’t know what we will do with the pick, but we MUST have that option at our disposal.
Here’s to hoping Manning recovers, there is a new coaching staff, front office, and a defense added with all of the picks the #1 spot affords us.
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Nov 23, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
3.1 million for remaining 2011 right?
6/17 of 8.9.
by James Broschat on Nov 23, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I lied.
Adding Orton puts us at 24.7 for year.
by James Broschat on Nov 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe Painter is the 3rd worst QB right now
I would have bet the farm he was the worst without looking up the number, damn!
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The point
of the article is that we truly are “sucking for luck” because you know we’re not going to go after Orton. I can see how that would be embarrassing to our team throughout the league. But then again, cheating and not shaking hands (Belichek), cursing fans (Ryan), saying things on Twitter that you shouldn’t (everybody in the NFL) are all shameful too, but it happens and people forget about it eventually. When we’re back in the playoffs with Luck, it will all be a distant memory.
Plus, I don't think anyone cares what the rest of the league thinks
because each and every team in the league, at 0-10 and looking at someone who is said to be the best prospect in 15 years, would do the same exact thing. The WORST thing to be in football is mediocre.
by SunnyD1988 on Nov 23, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Polian and the Colts are doing they're best to be the worst...
Why screw it up with a decent QB? Also, if Painter is the 3rd worst, who is worse? Grossman might suck, but at least he can throw TDs.
Why the hate on BBS?
He only stated that Colts should go after Kyle Orton IF they don’t want Luck, and it’s Mike Florio that stated Colts should go after Orton if Colts aren’t tanking on purpose.
And to be honest, again, Luck hasn’t taken a snap, and all he’s played is college ball, but like many college ball players, he might just be the next Ryan Leaf or Brady Quinn. At least Orton has had a somewhat cecent career.
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Good point.
Who wants the uncertainty of drafting Luck? He could be great, good, mediocre, or terrible. At least with Orton we know we’ll be mediocre for the next 10 years! That’s a certainty you can’t pass up. Let’s get Orton and not draft any new QB, hey, you never know what you’re going to get with those college QBs.
Sorry, but the logic of getting a moderately OK QB just because you know he’s moderately OK is not a good reason to not draft a potentially great QB.
by ActionOxford on Nov 23, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Agree about Orton.
Why would the Colts want a mediocre quarterback? I’d rather take a chance on one of the ‘potentially great’ ones in the draft too. On a separate note, hope everyone has a great and safe Thanksgiving!
There is a difference...
… in between tanking, which I don’t think the Colts are doing (just tools like Florio can’t seem to accept that Manning was THAT good), and going out of their way to try to win games that no one cares about and only possesses the possibility to hurt the team in the long run.
If anything, the FO should be making moves that please the fan base (within reason) and I don’t see any groundswell movement for Orton in Indy.
by Heracleitus on Nov 23, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Management is working for a perfect season!
They will not go for Orton. He is a slightly above average qb. Too late in the season for this type of move. We should just be happy that they will give us a perfect season, since they would not in 05’ or 09’.
The actual point was
The Colts have not had a more-than-mediocre veteran backup in a long while. I agree Orton is too expensive, but we can’t stay on the Painter/Orlovsky train with Manning OR Luck, given the uncertainty about Peyton’s future durability.
Orton would not want to come to the Colts
He asked for his release to go to one of the contenders who have lost their starting QB’s.
My guess is the Broncos still go after a QB in the upcoming draft that is a handpicked choice of Fox and Elway.
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Orton wants to go back to Chicago.
He requested his release after Cutler was injured.
by ActionOxford on Nov 23, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
It would be nice...
to actually win a game or two this year, especially if it doesn’t screw up the two main objectives of this season:
1. getting Luck
2. firing Caldwell
All I want for Christmas
Is for Caldwell, anyone with the last name of Polian, Jerry Hughes, Jacob Lacey, and Curtis Painter to be fired. Is that really asking too much?
by PurdueBoiler1995 on Nov 23, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions
Yes, it is asking too much
But signed me up too, you never know, we might get our wish
I look at Orton has the ultimate backup QB
Not the long term solution as a starting QB but a much better option than 90% of the backups. I will admit the 2008 opening game at the new Lucas Stadium where Orton and Forte beat the Super Bowl Champ Colts with a rusty, limping Peyton was a big disappointment.
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