Indianapolis Star Columnist Jumps On The 'Fire Polian' Bandwagon
Before we get into the typical business of me writing articles justifying that the Colt should fire Bill Polian and his moron kids followed by you writing comments indicating that I don't know what I'm talking about, I sincerely hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I spent mine with my wife and her parents. We had dinner at 7:00 p.m., and I ate so much that I woke up this morning and I'm still stuffed.
I even got a Happy Turkey Day tweet from Robert Mathis after I wished him one:
thanx bro....same to you and be blessed
Hope you had an enjoyable holiday wherever you are.
Now, back to business: Bill Polian, Chris Polian, and whoever else is named 'Polian' working for the Colts should be fired at season's end. We wrote an article explaining and advocating our 'Fire Polian!' position over a month ago. Yesterday, Indianapolis Star columnist and noted 'rat' Bob Kravitz has joined in on the fun. He wrote this in his column yesterday, which focused on the ridiculous decision to keep Curtis Painter as the starting quarterback and how that decision indicates that the Colts front office is content to lose out the rest of the season:
With Bill [Polian] in particular, it's all about being "vindicated." It's all about being able to say he was right. Which is why Jim Irsay has to use the chance to draft Andrew Luck as a springboard to clear the decks, jettison the front office and the coach and start over.
Regardless of what you think of Bob or his past work, this year he's been on fire. His article on the 'toxic' Chris Polian was excellent, and it is telling that former Colts employees approached him and wanted to get the real story out there. His most recent article, published yesterday, mirrors an article I posted on SB Nation Indiana yesterday as well.
Here's a quick excerpt from the article which, like Kravitz's, focuses on the Colts opting to keep Painter as the starter as a sign that the club is intentionally tanking the rest of the 2011 regular season:
By changing nothing, the Colts look to be guaranteeing little change in the win-loss column. This is either a concerted effort to lose and gain the rights to Andrew Luck (hence the phrase 'Suck for Luck'), or the Colts leadership is truly THAT stupid.
It will be interesting to see who else will jump on the 'Fire The Polians!' bandwagon now that we have been told Painter will remain the starter. I'll admit that while not a 'smoking gun-type' confession (such as a tape recording that has an audible Bill Polian telling his sons the plan is to tank the season and make everyone's life miserable because that's just how ole Bill gets his jollies these days), the choice to keep Painter, along with Jim Caldwell's laughable explanation for the decision, certainly make things appear as if the Colts are now actively trying to lose.
Here's Caldwell on Wednesday, explaining the Painter decision:
"Curtis hasn't played a lot of football for us; I think he's got to be given a good, clear opportunity," Caldwell said. "There are a lot of things that happen during the course of a game that haven't always been his fault. I need to do a better job of helping him do what he does . . . and get it a little more tailored to his strengths. I didn't feel he's had a good opportunity to do that yet. . . . He's developing."
Kravitz had a pretty funny, and devastating, retort to Caldwell's nonsense:
Do we look that stupid?
That is a direct insult to the intelligence of every person who has watched a single down of Colts football this season.
He's developing.
Right. And Cairo is one heck of a tourist destination right now.
In fairness, Painter played well enough in his first two starts, throwing for 281 yards against Tampa Bay and 277 against Kansas City. Since then, though, he has been abjectly awful.
He has had quarterback ratings of 79.0, 38.1, 50.6, 41.9 and 40.1, throwing one touchdown pass and seven interceptions.
His team's offense, which ranks 30th in the league in points, 31st in total offense and 30th in net passing yards per game, has scored 17, seven, 10, seven and three points during that span.
Curtis Painter hasn't thrown a meaningful touchdown in a meaningful, non-garbage-time-situation, since the second quarter against the Chiefs way back on October 9th. Since then, the Colts have been blown out by the Saints, Falcons, and Titans.
I know some of you are still wavering on this subject, or you are still steadfast in your Polian loyalty despite the mountains of evidence that say this front office regime just isn't that good anymore. Some of you might just be scared of change, and that with change will come losing.
To those people, I kindly point to the win-lose column and then to the rest of the schedule.
This team is probably going to go 0-16. And while you think that, on the surface, things have remained consistent, the reality is there has been significant change within the Colts, and very little of it has been good. Kravitz's Chris Polian article documented that.
If you are still on the fence, let me ask you this: Would Peyton Manning's opinion on this matter change your mind? If you knew that Peyton was livid with the Polians, had little faith in them, and was secretly hoping Jim Irsay would can their sorry butts, would that alter your opinion?
I'm curious because I have heard grumblings from the Manning Camp regarding Bill, Chris, and the Polian Clan. Also, look at the sorry state of this franchise! Even if Peyton were healthy, do you honestly think, at 35+ years old, that he wants to play out his career with this sad excuse for a roster, which could be without Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Gary Brackett, and Robert Mathis next year?
Peyton is about winning championships, not maybe making the playoffs and losing in the first round, or quarterbacking a team that hasn't won a game without him. I get the sense (and this is just me speculating based on what I'm hearing) that Peyton won't want to play for this franchise next year as long as the Polians are around.
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Bullshit.
If you are still on the fence, let me ask you this: Would Peyton Manning’s opinion on this matter change your mind? If you knew that Peyton was livid with the Polians, had little faith in them, and was secretly hoping Jim Irsay would can their sorry butts, would that alter your opinion?
Yes, if you could get it from Peyton. But you can’t. The most you can do is imply that Peyton is really, really mad and then suggest that you’ve heard “grumblings”.
It’s a bit of rhetorical fakery every bit as phony as your headlines. Because while Kravitz called the Polians all sorts of names and stopped just short of a statement that they were intentionally rigging the outcome of football games (which would invite a libel lawsuit, by the way), he never once wrote in his “abandoned” article that the Polians should be fired.
Lying to people is bad karma. That shit comes back around.
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by szquirrel on Nov 25, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, can you read?
I mean that. Do you have trouble reading words on a page? Here’s what Kravitz wrote, which was quoted above in the article:
With Bill [Polian] in particular, it’s all about being “vindicated.” It’s all about being able to say he was right. Which is why Jim Irsay has to use the chance to draft Andrew Luck as a springboard to clear the decks, jettison the front office and the coach and start over.
See the part in bold? That’s Bob Kravitz advocating that Irsay fire the Polians. Not hard to miss.
Also, where do you get that Bob Kravitz ‘stopped just short of a statement that they were intentionally rigging the outcome of football games.’ Are you serious? He says the team is intentionally tanking! How is that ‘stopping short?’ Here’s what Bob wrote (because, again, I think you have trouble reading):
The Polian-led front office and the coach, Jim Caldwell, sent a loud, clear message, not only to the fans and the rest of the NFL, but to every man in that locker room that winning is no longer a priority.
For the second time in three years, the Colts’ powers-that-be have abandoned this team, first by taking away a chance to have a perfect season, and now by placing them in the crosshairs of an ignominiously imperfect season.
Now, after a month’s worth of horrible football, they’re treating Painter like the next coming of Otto Graham.
There’s only one reasonable explanation:
They’re tanking.
It doesn’t get much clearer than that, szquirrel. He says the team is intentionally tanking, and regardless of how you feel about it, the Colts can’t sue Bob Kravitz for writing that.
I understand you might be pissed off that the Colts are in Suckville, USA right now, szquirrel. But give me a break!
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by Brad Wells on Nov 25, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious to see how this pans out -
Free speech and all that, sure. Let’s talk crazy for a second. Say that you’re in Polian’s shoes (size 7D) and you read Kravitiz’ article and you know it’s not true. What do you do? Do you get him fired, sue him, etc? Well you could do that, but then people would say “aha! Bob spoke the truth and was fired for it”. If you just choose to ignore it, people will say “aha, they say nothing and so it must be true!” Such is the world of people in the public eye. And Kravitz is paid to write entertaining and incendiary pieces.
Regardless of whether folks are really trying to tank, at some point in the season the team is either going to just give up, or fight furiously not to have an 0-16 record. I don’t think and don’t see a “meh” attitude from the players, especially not the defense.
szquirrel is Chris Polian's nom de plume
Dad wont let him use his real name to use on a blog, let alone this one, so he came up with one that brings to mind “nuts” – same as his mental status
by MadStork on Nov 25, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ayshire
Still a sheep I see
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by dezznutz1001 on Nov 25, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Let's lay off insulting each other please
If someone is ‘stalking you,’ or acting inappropriately, flag their comments or email an admin. Please don’t insult each other, even if the insult is warranted.
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Can you?
Which is why Jim Irsay has to use the chance to draft Andrew Luck as a springboard to clear the decks, jettison the front office and the coach and start over.
That doesn’t say “Fire Polian”. It says “clear the decks”, ooh, sounds scary, except it’s a non-specific metaphor. It’s not a “call to action” (remember that term from high school journalism class?). Why didn’t Kravitz just write “Fire Polian”? Did he suddenly lose the F key on his keyboard?
They’re tanking.
Hey, what’s missing here? Why, it’s the word “intentional”! You added that one all by yourself, just like Kravitz wanted you to. I wonder why he left it out? Maybe it’s because fixing the outcome of a sporting event is a felony, usually prosecuted under fraud on behalf of fans who thought they were paying to watch a competitive game. A newspaper accusing someone of a felony without proof is Serious Business above Kravitz’s pay grade. Just saying “they’re tanking” gives him enough room to claim he meant “they’re failing” the same way it’s meant when someone writes about the stock market “tanking”. Do you really not understand this stuff?
Kravitz is trolling. Like any good troll he knows the rules and knows what he can say to get a reaction from you without getting himself in much trouble. He leads you most of the way there and lets you take the last step yourself so in a pinch can throw up his hands and say “wasn’t me!”
It’s kind of sad that you’re grasping for the full-throated support of Bob Kravitz and not getting it. You’re also not getting this absurd story that Peyton Manning wants the Polians fired. You and Kravtiz both have nothing. Just a bunch of chickenshit innuendo and “anonymous sources”.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
OK, you are indeed having trouble comprehending words
If you don’t interpret ‘jettison the front office and the coach and start over’ as Bob Kravitz openly stating that Jim Irsay should fire Bill Polian, then there is no point continuing any further discussion on this with you.
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LOL... yep, had a similar "misunderstanding" with squirrel.
It was like I was having a conversation with a real squirrel.
by SoCalHoosier on Nov 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I have heard these same grumblings
My boy calls into local INDY radio sports shows all the time. (he likes to call in, i like to blog) He has even struck up a friendship with a coupde of them. He texts them, he exchanges emails with them and he talks to Kravits at there gym whever possible.
So one night when we were hanging out, a local sports guy called him up and told us this story. He made him PROMISE not to brign it up on his show or he would NEVER take his call again.
Thr Grumblings are Polian is gone.
Peyton is tired of Polian, #18 wants him gone!
Dungy mentioned a problem he had with Polian in is his “retirement” letter he sent to Irsay
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by dezznutz1001 on Nov 25, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
...meanwhile back at the ranch...
Missy: Junior, it seems someone’s been raping the chickens again
Junior: Aw confound it, was it them Polian’s again?
Missy: I reckon. Least that’s what Bobby Kravitz is inferrin’ to me.
Junior: Kravitz, why that low-down whiskey drinkin so and so is the worst chicken rapin offender in these parts!
Missy: Well, he done wrote it in his Picayune, and I done read it. I hate the durn Polians so it muss be true!
Junior: I reckon.
Note: this conversation actually happened down here in Florida.
Sanford
Pronounced ’san-ferd"… the Celery Capital of the World, in 1860.
by buymymonkey on Nov 25, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Irsay
Somehow, in all of this, Irsay has allowed Chris Polian to be “toxic” and jettison good people, supposedly because of his loyalty to Bill. These people that Kravitz interviewed about Chris..why didn’t they condemn Irsay as well for allowing it to happen? Irsay has been around football his whole life. He may be weird, but knows the NFL as well as anybody and it is hard to believe he would sacrifice HIS team just for the sake of Bill Polian’s friendship. Somehow, Irsay believes that Chris Polian can do the job is what I think. If he keeps Chris, then it must be true.
BBS
How woul you feel if they claimed Kyle Orton, won 3 games down the stretch, and lost the first pick in the draft?
What you’re insinuating is that by tanking, they should lose their jobs. But wouldn’t losing the top pick for a once-in-a-decade talent for the sake of winning a few meaningless games be even worse? Is there any situation here that the Polians could make a correct decision?
Terrible drafting over the years is one thing, and they deserve to be axed for building a terrible team, sans Peyton. But I, for one, and happy they are tanking because 2 months of frustration could easily result in 15 years of success. I’m interested in your thoughts on this.
by BenD on Nov 25, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This is like trying to catch a rainbow in your hand -
The issue I have is no matter what the Polian’s do, they are wrong wrong wrong. Grab a good QB and blow the 1st round pick, wrong. Tank, wrong. Get Manning to play in December to check him out. Wrong. Have him sit and not play, wrong. Put in Orlovsky and what them get clobbered, wrong. Leave Painter in there and watch them get clobbered, wrong. Play for the perfect season and watch Manning get taken down in the snow and put on IR, wrong. Sit two games and play for the SuperBowl (which is apparently all that matters, unless you don’t, then it doesn’t matter at all), wrong.
Schadenfreude, as the German like to say.
What embarrasses me is when articles here have the world “Stupid” in the headline, and then when you search Sports Illustrated for Colts news, the article comes up as “Stupid”. None of the other articles from other steams use words like this in the title. Makes us look amateurish and penny-ante.
by buymymonkey on Nov 25, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Geez - type heavan (or hell)
“what them” > “watch them”
“unless you don’t” > “unless you don’t think so”
“other steams” > “other teams”
Darned tryptophan!
by buymymonkey on Nov 25, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
ARGH!! "type" > "typo"
Darn this bursitis!!
by buymymonkey on Nov 25, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
My sentiments exactly
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
'How woul you feel if they claimed Kyle Orton, won 3 games down the stretch, and lost the first pick in the draft?'
I’d feel like the tried to do something to avoid 0-16.
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i'd rather have luck than 2-3 wins this season though
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Effort was made early
They drafted O and D line, brought in Sims, Anderson and a couple of others.Waited too long to see if Peyton could play but finally brought in Collins. When Collins didn’t work and Peyton couldn’t play I think the decision was made to play what we have and see what happens.I doubt any of them thought it would be as bad as it is. I don’t think the Polians have done a good job in the last 4 yrs. but given the circumstances this year I don’t see any other real choice. Orton came along way to late to help this team.
by MrBoJangles46 on Nov 25, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
KC fan's opinion
I’m posting here, because this article’s link was on the Chiefs’ Arrowhead Pride site. Perhaps an opinion from the outside, uncontaminated by any knowledge of details involving other players on the Colts, is in order: When you have a superstar like Manning, it is natural and correct to build your team around him. A GM would be absolutely nuts to do otherwise. The downside, of course, is that if that crucial piece is taken away, nothing else works. Maybe the Polians are idiots, and this has been masked by the presence of Peyton Manning, but I suspect that it is more a matter of using to best advantage the spectacular talent and experience of your best player. I think a GM would be an idiot to do otherwise. I would cut the Polian’s some slack and judge by how he (they) do rebuilding a team after Manning is gone, a task which takes at least 3-4 years.
When the W’s keep happening, there is little sense of urgency in acquiring different players and spending a ton of money. It is simply human nature and good business.
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by Bilyous on Nov 25, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
They haven't been built around Peyton for at least 5 years.
They’ve been built on Peyton’s back.
How does he do it?
Bilyous
I don’t think anyone is upset that this franchise was built around Peyton Manning.
I think people, like me for instance, that the talent acquired in recent years has been lacking. That, and Bill Polian and his idiot sons are just out-and-out pricks who hate media and fans.
In many ways, the situation here is very similar to what happened in K.C. with Carl Peterson. Like Peterson, Polian lost his mojo.
A team doesn’t go 0-16 because they are missing their QB. They go 0-16 because the f*cking suck donkey balls and have no talent. Right now, our team is trending 0-16.
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Corrections
Sorry. I’m commenting here and covering the end of the NBA lockout for SB Nation.
I think people, like me for instance, are upset that the talent acquired in recent years has been lacking.
They go 0-16 because they f*cking suck donkey balls and have no talent. Right now, our team is trending 0-16.
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I see the Colts internet PR staff
is alive and well, and apparently well rested. They’re coming out swinging. LOL What a joke. BBS, your article is spot on. So, is Kravitz’s. Anyone who can think knows what the situation is in Indy. As you said, there’s mountains of evidence, yet some people stay their ridiculous course. It’s a good thing, for them, that this forum is anonymous. It makes me truly wonder who is behind some of the screen names? It’s probably Chris Polian and his brother, creating multiple accounts. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
Seriously?
Your post could just as easily and accurately applied to you and Brad. Same articles, same postings, same angle – little evidence. Brad posts, you agree and disparage those that don’t agree. Joke indeed.
by buymymonkey on Nov 25, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well buymymonkey
other than you and a handful of gullible ‘follow the leader at all costs’ people, the far majority of football fans/analysts across the country see what a complete and utter joke our pill-popping, tweeting owner is and his ‘living on Mars’ management team.
by Ayrshire on Nov 25, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure that's true -
But I like the fact that you cite specific examples, articles, and other much-smarter-than-I non-gullible people, of which you and BBS belong to.
There are enough intelligent articles posted (see other sites) showing empirically that the Polians are not idiots who draft poorly and have just been running this team into the ground. But I don’t see you nor BBS making any attempt to provide any evidence otherwise – other than “look we’re losing!” and “Hughes stinks”.
And there are enough people who post “enough already with the Polian bashing” on this site that add up to more than just a “handful”. It’s not news nor newsworthy to chalk up everything that Colts do as another example the Colts FO being idiots.
The evidence is overwhelming
in my opinion. Common sense says you don’t hire a head coach who coached his college team to a 29% winning percentage. Most people would think that you would do the best thing for the team and go out and actually hire the best candidate for the job. Is that specific enough for you? The same goes for making his kid the GM and his other kid the director of football administration. Do you really believe the hiring of those two are the best thing for good of the Colts? Or, do you think, as most people do, that the hirings were in the best interest of the Polian family? If you’re truly being honest with yourself, how can you possibly justify that type of blatant nepotism? If you can, then good for you. I can’t.
by Ayrshire on Nov 26, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"After being the starting quarterback for a Detroit team that went 0-16"
says it all to me. We KNOW what we have with Orlovsky. They TRIED To get Kyle Orton and couldn’t. What’s the difference who starts? Who CARES what we have with Orlovsky? Let Painter ride, there is no difference. This is much ado about nothing.
Yeah cuz Orlovsky played Defense for the 0-16 Lions, he returned kicks, played ST's, he played WR..
Yeah he played WR even though he had to catch his OWN passes. He also had to block for himself too.
Man what an idiotic statement sabdal.
The 0-16 Lions as a TEAM were horrible, QB play had little to do with how bad tath team was…it had one of the worst Defenses ever and an offense that couldtn outscore teams putting up 30+ a game.
If you actually had WATCHED ORLOVSKY play you would know he wasnt the main reason the Lions went 0-16.
Orlovsky is 2x the QB Painter is, he has that “experience” that idiot Caldwell is saying Painter DOESNT have 7 games into the season in an Offense Painter has been around for 3+ years now, no less!
its ridiculus, this coachign staff is more pathetic than our F.O. right now, hard as that is to believe
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by dezznutz1001 on Nov 25, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
The stats between Orlovsky and Painter are pretty damned comparable IMO, although it seems that Orlovsky has performed better. Marginally better, but better. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Orlovsky is “2x the QB Painter is.” That is demonstrably false.
It would be more correct to say, “Orlovsky is 1.1x the QB Painter is.” And a better QB + Megatron = one or two wins for the Lions in 2009.
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Is Polian on the competition committee?
As a fan, I could be ok with the bad draft picks and personnel moves and the fact that he basically tells Caldwell what to do. What I am not ok with is purposely trying to lose games to justify a high draft pick. To me, bombing an entire season and losing on purpose under the fallacy of keeping players healthy (Jets) is grounds for not only being fired, but for never working again in the NFL.
The NFL threw the flag at bill and redesigned the NFL schedule. The Penalty: Unsportsmanlike Foul
The last month of the season feature division opponents. This decision just didn’t fall out of the sky. The practice of resting healthy players is bad for players; it’s bad for NFL; it’s bad for the season ticket holder; and it’s bad for fans who scraped up money and bought two tickets to see his favorite team in action. In my opinion, the competition committee threw the flag at Bill Polian for that decision. The penalty was Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
by Leroystayclean on Nov 26, 2011 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I say bullcrap too
Do you really think another QB on this Colts team could do better than Painter….the QBs all suck on this team but Manning…..last year the same exact guys made it to the playoffs with Manning and had a heck of time doing that because of injuries….this year with injuries and no manning we just fell apart…everyone knew if manning got hurt the Colts would be up the creek….just because you are pissed off the Colts are losing just like all of Colts fans are you want to tank the Poulians and scrap all the coaches….hire all new coaches..change the offense and defensive schemes totally….well that is just plain insane….I do think we need to change out special teams coach…and I do not like Larry Coyer…but you can fire his butt but you do not just say change every thing about everything on the Colts..even if Manning comes back you want him to come back to a whole new offense….you want Brackett…Mathis..Freeney or any other D guy to learn a whole new D too…..it is just so stupid the way you think…..you know damn well the season would not have gone like this with the exact guys we have now if Manning had not gotten hurt….so why try and cause a complete freak out and fire any one and everyone cause the Colts are losing…..the whole team goes away and we hire all new coaches and get all new players and then all of a sudden we will win all the games we play….get real dude….you are full of it as anyone that every writes a negative word about the Colts..I hate it was much a anyone myself and I have been a Colts fan since 1966..long before they moved to Indy….I have seen any and everything known to man about a team following the Colts…your words are ridiculous…..it would be just like saying you should be fired because I do not agree with you….no you should not be fired…..I just think you are full of crap….but you can write what you want…..
Well if we DONT give Orlovsky his shot
How the eff could you knoe hes no better than Painter? State facts.
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by dezznutz1001 on Nov 25, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Orlovsky
Orlovsky sucks or he would not be a Colt and would still be with his former team…..there is only one real pro QB on the Colts roster….Manning…..if Kerry Collins had been in our system a long time and knew it well then he may have been OK as a back up….the rest of the QB’s suck and will never be starters in the NFL past this season and would never be now if not for the Manning situation.
I don't know if the Colts are tanking intentionally or not........
I certainly hope not. But I know this…..I would not walk up to Freeney, Mathis or even anyone else on the Colts roster and say, “I think you guys are losing on purpose.” At least not without a huge upgrade of my life insurance.
i am curious
what is the manning camp?
thats the first i have heard that one used. i am guessing agent and maybe his dad.
The Manning Camp
Several credible people have told me Manning reportedly made some off-the-record comments aimed at Bill Polian (or Chris Polian) during his impromptu press conference a few weeks ago. He supposedly said these comments to reporters who, if directly asked, will deny Peyton ever said them because, again, they were off-the-record.
I’ve been trying to get one of the people who heard these comments to crack, but I won’t push too much because people tell me off-the-record stuff all the time and I don’t publish it. It’s a common courtesy.
It’s no secret among the people who cover the Colts that Manning isn’t ‘warm and fuzzy’ with Bill Polian. Remember, Manning was very tight with Howard Mudd and Tom Moore. The Polians reportedly ran them out of town, Chris Polian in particular. Manning is also tight with Caldwell, and I highly doubt he’s happy with the way Bill and Chris have undermined the head coach this season.
Email me if you want to know more.
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that makes sense
originally i figured that mudd and moore were hitting the road because of caldwell. it does make sense that chris is trying to insert his own mark on the team to get out of daddys shadow.
this will be one interesting offseason
I am in the Manning Camp
It has been an absolute great career for Peyton Manning; an awesome run for the Colts, the city of Indianapolis and Colts fans everywhere. Yep. I am in the Manning Camp. With his help of the Colts players, he was able to prevent us from ever watching a backup quarterback play for Colts! In my best Coach Denny Green moment, “Crown him!”
I am in the Peyton Manning Camp. His team won games.
by Leroystayclean on Nov 26, 2011 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well I wouldn’t put it past them if they could swing it this is the same FO that threw away the perfect season I could see them doing what it takes to get the next franchise QB at the expense of the players.
But I also think this team is really that bad so I really can’t tell the difference at this point other than they don’t care about losing this season. Even teams who are in it for Luck(Dolphins, Rams managed to muster enough pride to win a game or two)
The Colts can’t do that at all and unlike those two teams they didn’t need an HOF QB to get those wins.
Still pissed about losing to the Jets and the Bills
The decision to win ball games is good for business and moral. It comes from the organization’s top. If there is going to be a change next year, I have suggestions. Bring back Peyton Manning and don’t treat him like Johnny Unitas; draft Andrew Luck; and bring in defensive coaches from Green Bay or Baltimore or from any top five NFL team. Also, find a way to keep Peyton Manning in the organization as head coach. They passed it to Caldwell; pass it Peyton Manning.
by Leroystayclean on Nov 26, 2011 9:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
See if you draft Manning and Luck what about the rest of the team? Defense? Special Teams(lets pretend they care about this area for once), Offensive line?
All bad need to be shored up and having two franchise QBs won’t work to keep us competitive.
Either we want to win an SB with Manning or look to the future with Luck I don’t see us having both.
And if Caldwell/Polian are still here it won’t matter who’s QB the Colts will still won’t win an SB.
having manning and luck
does not mean you cant keep drafting players or bringing in free agents
do people really not understand this?
Remember the Titans
Vince Lombardi once said that football is about blocking and tackling. With respect to the Defense and their ability to ball at 75-85% level and Peyton Manning under center and Luck as an understudy, the Colts as we have known them would be good for 10-13 wins. Peyton Manning has proven he can win games from behind and manage games. So as GM For a Day, my draft board is looking like this: Andrew Luck; hard hitting, run support type safety; nose tackle; cover corner; cover corner; kick returner out of Houston; and with an extra pick a safety that ranks in the top five in the country in interceptions.
Also, I would do something bold. I would invite Tony Ugoh back to camp and work him at his natural position; get Pollack at his natural position and invite some of those guards they drafted back to camp to play guard and special teams. Along those same lines, I would invite bob sanders back to teach players how to play the run. Melvin Bullet if he recovers will back up Antwoine.
by Leroystayclean on Nov 26, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow
i was with you until you said bring ugoh back to camp. that guy is trash. he doesnt even want to play football. pollak is horrible as well. they guy needs to be off the team
sanders is done playing football
Done & Done: Ugoh & Pollack
For a moment I thought the Colts made the right decision by picking those guys. An invitation to play them at their natural position might help them and the team. As a GM and coach, some players will not become serviceable NFL players. Some will get injuries preventing them from helping a club. Overall I am still on the Colts wagon. So what does a big-body or fleet player do after flaming out with the colts? Can one or two make a come back?
by Leroystayclean on Nov 27, 2011 7:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont know what you are talking about
ugoh was a natural left tackle. he sucks and is done
pollak is more of a center but he sucks at that as well. just move on from him.
i really dont know what you are asking

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