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Colts Draft Analysis Still Leaves Unanswered Questions

With the Colts season in shambles already halfway through the season, attention around the blogosphere has turned from what's actually going on on the field to how did it get this bad and how can it be fixed. It's something other NFL teams have done regularly starting in Week 9, but this is a new experience for us Colts fans. Over at 18to88.com yesterday, Ajit Kirpekar decided to find out for himself how the Colts have done draft-wise since Bill Polian took over control of the team back in 1998. He put a lot of time and effort into this, and he should be commended for getting off his rump, putting in some work, and coming out of it with conclusions.

However, he's unable to actually answer the question Colts fans want to know: Has Polian's draft record fallen off over the past five years?

Kirpekar concluded that, from 1998-2010, the Colts were the best drafting team in the NFL:

Despite all of these potential shortcomings, the evidence seems to clearly indicate that the Colts have had a remarkable run of success and that Polian’s draft performance has been spectacular, especially considering how often the Colts pick in the later rounds.

Anyone who has been following the NFL for some time will tell you that between 1998 and 2006, the Colts were far and away the best drafting team in the league. In fact, it isn't even close, and anyone who argues against that should have their head examined. Super Bowl XLI doesn't happen for the Colts without the draft class of 2006. For almost a decade it seemed as if Polian could do no wrong.

After that, however, the Colts have seemed to struggle, especially at the top end of the draft, finding the right players to keep the engine humming along, and I think we started seeing those signs last season, and are definitely seeing them this season, even with the absence of the greatest QB to ever lace them up. I was hoping Kirpekar's study would be able to answer that question, but unfortunately it cannot do that for a number of reasons, despite his conclusion that the Colts have done so.

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My first hesitation came when he didn't specifically say what his criteria were, how many "points" each thing was worth, and whether anything was "subjective". He clarified with me that nothing was subjective, pulled mostly from Pro-football-reference.com, which is good. "Subjective" stats are ok in certain circumstances, but doing this study with every team in the NFL would add way too much error to it, as it would just be one person's opinion on how good players were, and it would be about players he/she wouldn't follow on a consistent basis.

When looking at the data presented, it looked like he was using more of a counting method, rather than a percentage method, when looking at "Games Started", which I assume was his primary statistic here. His lowest level counting stat was "Four-year Starter", which makes it very difficult for any player drafted after 2008 to qualify for, as they haven't been in the league that long. He talks about this problem, and his solution:

The other big point to mention is that the more recent draft choices were unable to earn as many points largely because they hadn’t played for very long. For example, I included the 2010 draft even though each pick could at most only start for 2 years and earn at most 1 pro bowl and all pro vote. For the recent draft picks, I awarded a point for having started at least 50 percent or more of their eligible career but awarded the same amount of points had they achieved 1 pro bowl or all pro. As a result, recent picks had fewer points than preceding picks, but since each team was affected equally, this did not bias the results.

He's right that team-by-team, the affect is equal. However, it still leads to the results being favorable the longer each draft class was in the league, which will obviously boost the Colts. Those numbers will be smaller, thus letting all those early years dwarf them in the results. When you're talking about 13 years, it's a big difference, and it doesn't make sense to just throw that data in there if it isn't large enough to stand on its own.

Finally, I asked him the important question...How do the Colts compare with the rest of the NFL between 2007 and 2010? That's what everyone wants to know. Here's what he said:

No I didn't compare the Colts from 07-10 for the same reason I didn't readjust the point system for recent draft picks, the sample size is too small. Sure, it seems like the data is cherry picking Polian's best work but frankly, I'd deal with a large sample of his work that includes the good and the bad, even if it feels like he's being commended for past work.

My biggest issue with the whole article comes to light here. If the sample size is too small to stand alone and be compared with everyone else, then it should not be lumped into the conclusion. While his conclusion is true that from 1998-2010 the Colts were the best drafting team in the NFL, the last four years are just kind of thrown in there, admittedly by him, without their ability to stand on their own. When you take those four years out, the conclusion is "Duh, of course the Colts were the best. Are you a Patriots homer or what?"

More from Kirpekar (emphasis mine):

Sure, I imagine the Colts 07-10 would appear poor, but honestly, if there were two things I wanted people to understand, it was that drafting late means you are less likely to find a great player and second, Polian has done a much better job (the best actually) over his career and so he deserves more recognition for this.

He also includes how he thinks 2007-10 would look, and it's completely opposite of what he concludes in his story. He's trying to play both sides here, and it is deceiving, unintentionally, to the reader. His best course of action, when presented with the small sample size (which is completely reasonable to conclude from 2007-10) would be to not include them in the study and just focus on 1998-2006. He also should have given more than one sentence to his findings, if that's what he wanted people to take from his study.

Evaluating a draft is extremely hard, given the fact that meaningful stats for several position are hard to come by. Stampede Blue did this back in April, and found a dropoff from 2007-09 (we didn't include 2010 due to sample size), but had nothing to compare to other teams with, so it's tough to say specifically the Colts have struggled as of late. I appreciated Kirpekar's effort in trying to shed light on the matter, but I think he focused too much on what we already knew: Namely, that Polian and the Colts Front Office kicked serious ass from 1998-2006, enough so that they are still better than everyone else when you include 2007-2010.

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2007 - 2010 still above average

While I agree that there has been a significant drop off from 2007 – 2010 – if you look at how their draft results for that period compare to other teams (and considering their draft position) – they have still drafted above average during that period despite a few busts.

by canadiancoltsfan on Nov 3, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

No, it isn't

I don’t see how anyone can say 2007-2010 is ‘above average.’ If we want to compare draft results to other teams, look at the Steelers. They’ve been drafting in the same relative position, and we’ve seen them grab guys like Ziggy Hood, Pouncey, and Rashard Mendenhall, just to name a few.

Again, Donald Brown, Mike Pollak, Jerry Hughes, Fili Moala, and Tony Ugoh wouldn’t even be considered good back-ups on other teams, let alone the quality starters they were supposed to be based on their draft stock. Where a guy was taken in the first round doesn’t matter in terms of how the team views that player. First rounds must become starters, and I’m using Chris Polian’s own words here. A successful first round draft pick is one that earns a contract after their rookie deal is up, according to Polian.

Right now, no Colts picks from 2007 will get such a contract. That should tell you something.

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by Brad Wells on Nov 3, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Mendenhall really any better than Brown?

I’m not so sure. And Pouncey was the 18th pick. When’s the last time the Colts picked that high?

Regardless, the Steelers have also missed the playoffs and got a higher pick from that during that sample.

There’s no question that the last 3 first round picks aren’t as useful to the Colts as some other teams’ top picks have been. Even some teams like the Steelers who picked in the same range.

But have the Colts done better finding hidden gems in the later rounds, where players are much cheaper to sign and thus great bargains? I’d guess that that answer remains Yes even in recent years when the top end production hasn’t been there.

Obviously failure is magnified the higher up the draft you get, but you can whiff on a first rounder and still have a great draft. And I think they still hit on a lot more of the later picks than most teams. There’s still a lot of value in that. Possibly even enough to still be considered above average. (Bear in mind, of course, that we hold our team to a higher standard. Let’s be realistic and admit that the average is probably lower than we expect, because there are a whole bunch of poorly run teams out there dragging it down.)

by willyduer on Nov 3, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also I think you’re seriously undervaluing Moala. He has played very well since the start of last year.

On the right team Brown and Hughes would probably also be studs. Hughes has just turned out to be a poor fit here that the coaches can’t fix.

Pollak, who is still playing out of position, would also get other jobs. Plenty of other teams have crappy interior linemen too. That’s not to say he’s any good, but let’s also remember that he was the 59th pick in a weak draft.

by willyduer on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

“On the right team Brown and Hughes would probably also be studs. Hughes has just turned out to be a poor fit here that the coaches can’t fix.”

i like your scientific evaluation of these guys, it really lends credence to your argument

Pollak, who is still playing out of position, would also get other jobs.

like mclendon and jamie richards after they were released, whats that they don’t have new jobs?

by PeytonIsGOAT on Nov 3, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want stats that can be used as science go post on a baseball site.

You’re not seriously comparing the guys we cut to a guy we kept and using them as an example of why the guy we kept is just as bad, are you?

Also, Captain Science, you spelled both of their names incorrectly.

by willyduer on Nov 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

how can you disdain willyduer's science and then offer worse analysis?

How can you compare Pollack (who has never been released) with guys that have? That right there should tell you who’s better. It’s like saying my current car must be just as crappy as the cars I’ve gotten rid of in the past, just because I’m the same owner who picked them out.
His logic seemed pretty tight and a lot more polite.

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by zherebyonki on Nov 4, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are trying to say the colts are not above average, and all you do is give 1 counterexample

ok, so Pittsburgh has been better. Doesn’t disprove anything.

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by zherebyonki on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Above average"

BBS how do you define average? The Colts draft in the last 5 picks or so of every round since 2002 and continue to be a playoff contender still. I know that Manning covers a lot of things up, but the team is constructed around him and his large cap hit so you can only do so much with what remains.

The Steelers are an elite team, just like the Colts are (pre-Manning injury). Compare the Colts drafts from avg position 25 to an “average” team like, say the Vikings or another team that finished towards the middle of the league for most of those seasons. You also have to take into account that the Colts have never had an “off” year where they missed the playoffs and were able to get a top 15 pick “set” to reload the roster with better available talent. It sucks that Manning was so good that the team was never able to have a bad year, but that is what the team was faced with.

Yes Hughes is a bust and Donald Brown was a head scratcher. Just keep it in perspective, that’s all.

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by AceOfSpades on Nov 3, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But his story doesn't show this

You can certainly have that opinion, but there isn’t anything concrete saying it anywhere. So we’ll keep going round and round some more…

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by mgrex03 on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

2007, 2008 and 2009 Draft Classes seem weak across the board

Lots of “good drafting teams” have had to cut the fat. The Colts, Giants, Packers, Steelers, Chargers and Patriots have all cut or not re-signed one of their 1st or 2nd draft choices over that time. Over that same time period that Ravens are the only one in the “Elite Drafting” status that haven’t done that.

by GoHorse88 on Nov 3, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ravens...

… did waive 2 of their 3rd rounders in 2008 with Tavares Gooden and Oneil Cousins this offseason as well as Yamon Fugurs, taken in the 3rd round of the 2007 draft a few years back. But, I think there’s a big drop-off in the caliber of player and the way front offices treat 3rd rounders in comparison to 1st and 2nd round players.

by GoHorse88 on Nov 3, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate's Draft Project already looked at those recent years this past summer.

To be fair, he included ’05 and ’06, and the Colts are still the most efficient team by far.

by James Broschat on Nov 3, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

'It’s a settled matter.'

No, it isn’t.

Also, saying ‘it’s pretty conclusive’ when Matt response article spelled out it’s anything but also is not correct.

Again, making statements like ’it’s settled’ and ’it’s conclusive’ comes off as elitist, Nate. I’m happy you are here posting, but don’t come in here and make blanket, unsupported statements just because they run counter to your narrative. All it does is create problems.

We can agree to disagree, but stating ’it’s settled’ when it clearly isn’t is not something that progresses the discussion in a positive way. Ajit’s article is flawed, and his conclusions are shaky. HOWEVER, it’s great that he wrote it, and it deserves and warrants discussion.

Hence, we wrote about it.

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by Brad Wells on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

uncool

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by zherebyonki on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Approximate Value is seriously flawed

especially with the Offensive line. I looked at it yesterday. In 2010, Mike Pollak had the same value as Robert Mathis, and Ryan Diem had the same value as Dwight Freeney, and the same value as Joe Thomas. I can’t get on board with using that, even if it might be the best one for other positions. It doesn’t pass the smell test.

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by mgrex03 on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Clearly there needs to be a weighting system, but you wouldn’t expect a late 2nd round pick such as MikePollak to grade out the same as the number 3 overall pick on any side of the metric.

by udllama on Nov 3, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Approximate Value for Offensive Linemen

Is almost exclusively based on how good the offense is around him, because there aren’t any real measures of O-Line play. Thus Ryan Diem looks great when Peyton Manning is behind him, but Joe Thomas looks identical in this stat because the Offense he played in was crap.

That’s why it doesn’t pass the smell test.

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by mgrex03 on Nov 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct, Matt

AV is a flawed stat. It’s also the best one we have to work with. It’s also consistent.

I noted and admit the flaws in the study. There are other methods to use (games played, starts, wins) and I’ve used all those in other studies that all yielded the same results.

Ever statistical study yields the same conclusions. This issue is entirely one of perception, unrealistic expectations, and a lack of awareness of the fact that other teams miss on lots of draft picks too.

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by deshawn zombie on Nov 3, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is too flawed for a study like this

And the results bear that out. By my stats the five most consistent teams this year are the Dolphins, Cardinals, Broncos, Panthers, and Jaguars, who have combined for the same amount of wins as the Packers. Consistency ≠ Good.

If the results keep coming up exactly the same, maybe the methodology needs changing, because what we’re seeing on the field shouldn’t include “the single most efficient draft of the past 8 years”. This team isn’t just bad because they lost one of the best players ever. They are historically bad, like 2008 Lions level bad. We saw signs of it last year, but one fluke season could have been easily chalked up to injuries.

Here’s the current make-up of the team (starters from last week’s game):

  • Players drafted/UDFA by Colts before 2007: Six, all have gone to at least one Pro Bowl, and have combined for 22 amongst themselves. In other words, we know they’re all very good players.
  • Players drafted/UDFA between 2007 and 2010: Eleven, or almost half of the 24 starters (including K/P). This is the core of a team that is an historically bad 0-8, and five of them were taken in the first three rounds. Also, eight of them started Week 1 for this team, meaning not all of them are injury replacements. These were the guys counted on to make the playoffs this season.
  • Free Agent Signings: Four (Vinatieri, Ojinnaka, Muir, and Olsen)
  • Rookies/First Year Players: Three (Caldwell, Tepper, Carter)

It’s not unrealistic to expect the core of this team, especially if the draft classes are “the best in the league”, to at least play at a mediocre level with their Pro Bowl veterans. That clearly isn’t the case. If the team is going to not spend in Free Agency (which is the preferred strategy), they have to hit at a higher percentage to stay competitive, regardless of where they are drafting. Third round picks might not have to be high contributors for a team like the Patriots who go out and fill out their team with Free Agents, but for the Colts it is essential that those players contribute. I’d say the same for 4th round players (the only round, in my opinion, where they exceeded expectations from ‘07-’10).

There’s no expectation of Pro Bowls by every player drafted, even first rounders. But this team shouldn’t be this bad if the drafts were as good as “every statistical study” says they were. It just doesn’t pass the smell test.

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by mgrex03 on Nov 4, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the stats aren't reliable but the "smell test" is?

You aren’t taking into account draft position (a team is supposed to not be as good when drafting repeatedly at the basement of the order), strength of the draft classes or our success relative to other franchises (the Pats without Brady would be in much the same situation we are, their defense is just as bad and isn’t playing 75% of the time like our D is). You are basically just saying, if the drafts were good why isn’t the team good. If thats not flawed logic I don’t know what is.

by PMoney on Nov 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must use the "smell test" for every statistical study

Mostly because you can make stats say whatever you want them to say. I’m clearly not saying Nate intended to do this with his study (I know he didn’t), but I can’t reasonably look at the Colts 2008 draft and think “This is the best draft by anyone in the past 8 years”. It’s not even the best draft by the Colts in that time frame, let alone the entire NFL. That’s why the red flags go up. You can disagree with what a study is telling you, but think it is reasonable to believe that is the case. This does not fall into that category.

How is it flawed logic to believe good draft picks should result in a good team? In order for it to be a good draft pick, they should be a good player. Good players make up a good team. We know for a fact the six players drafted before 2007 are good players, and we know for a fact this team is historically bad. Something has to explain that chasm, and it’s more than just “Peyton Manning”. If you have to rely on someone else to claim you are a good player, that is flawed logic.

Your little bit about the Patriots and losing Brady…their offense in 2008 was the 6th best offense in the NFL that season, according to my numbers. The Colts without Manning are 29th. The Patriots were, and would be able to hold their own without Brady, even with their defense.

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by mgrex03 on Nov 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just because the team isn't good in its current form doesn't mean theres no talent

This team hung with and almost beat a Steelers team that thumped the Pats (with Brady) this past weekend. Its got talent it just has terrible coaches and the defense is on the field constantly because the offense can’t get any drives going. The Chargers missed the playoffs last year, does that mean they have no talent and the GM can’t draft? No, it means Norv Turner’s a moron and their special teams coach sucked. You can’t just say bad team=bad drafting.

Also, I wasn’t talking about 2008. You can’t compare 2008 to 2011. Both the Colts and the Pats were younger and better in 2008. I stand by my claim that as the Pats D stands and with the current offense minus Brady they would be in just as bad shape. Like I stated earlier, they couldn’t even come as close to beating the Steelers as we did, even with Brady. How bad would it have been without him?

Yes, stats may not tell the whole story and may be flawed for certain positions, but i’ll take them any day of the week over the smell test. You can’t tell me that with a more competent coaching staff this exact roster of players wouldn’t have a better record than they do currently. I don’t buy it.

by PMoney on Nov 4, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I see the point of this saying that the Colts have been tremendously successful

over the past thirteen years, and have had incredible results. That kind of run had to hit a slump at some point, and 2007-2009 didn’t have as big of a talent base. 2011 was a home-run of a draft from the early looks of it.

by James Broschat on Nov 3, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Spat

This little spat between blogs is a bit tiresome and frankly it just oozes ghey sechsual tension. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I wish we would have traded up and taken Vince Wilfork in 2004. I think that could have been a difference maker when it comes to SB rings.

by steveoly32 on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

lol

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by Matty_Sweatshirt_KTA on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is nice to have semi-civil discussion among blogs with different opinions. I just wish things like “It’s a settled matter” and “comes off as elitist, Nate” could be avoided. They both do the same thing and that is what is tiresome. I wish they could be more tolerant of different views, it would surely be beneficial to both of their blogs.

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by LasEspuelas on Nov 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed on the tolerant of different views part

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by aaronb on Nov 4, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using numbers to determine draft success

is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. This is not rocket science people. This is not theoretical physics.

The 07-10 drafts have not been good drafts. Use your eyes and your brain, you don’t need a calculator.

If you don’t agree, you are grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to deny that the team is in bad shape and needs serious work.

by FatDT on Nov 3, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

ya guys

lets not use numbers and all that stuff…it makes his head hurt

lets just be subjective and blindly follow the meme no matter who proves otherwise

by PMoney on Nov 3, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Numbers don't prove anything

because they are not applicable when evaluating draft results.

If a guy is a 3 year starter but sucks the entire time, is he a good draft pick? Why would that be used to score a draft higher? Nerds with calculators should stick to baseball.

by FatDT on Nov 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

sucks the entire time?

according to who? some fat redneck at home on his recliner with a tv remote?

subjective analysis is subjective

by PMoney on Nov 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

'09

I would consider the ’09 draft quite succesful, using my eyes and all.

Powers, Collie, Moala, Brown, Painter and McAfee is a solid group – drafting at the end of each round and all.

Can you name 10 teams that you believe did better than the Colts that year?

by thsunga on Nov 3, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about "quite successful"

We got a few starters, but it’s not like it’s paying dividends.

Powers is just an average CB with potential; but has severely disappointed.
Collie was great for 1.5 years, no doubt about that. But I question how good his career will be without Peyton Manning throwing him the football.
Moala sucks.
Brown hasn’t been much better. He has shown some promise this year, so who knows. But if that pick was solid, we wouldn’t have needed to spend $$$ to re-sign Addai, and we wouldn’t have needed to spend a 4th round pick this year on Carter.
Painter sucks. He’s surpassed all expectations, but that isn’t saying much. He’s a below-average backup QB.
McAfee is great.

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by kmbryant09 on Nov 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that we don't sign free agents skews the data

If the only guys we bring in every year are the 6-8 guys we drafted. Some of those players are going to start by default.

A team like New England that annually brings in 5-8 cost effective free agents isn’t going to need to start draft pick that doesn’t pan out, or a UDFA. The Colts on the other hand have had to start about 4-6 UDFA’s each of the past 3 years.

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by aaronb on Nov 3, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Are the Colts the more talented team?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Nov 3, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks to

Peyton Manning. Or did you forget and think this has been a balanced team?

by FatDT on Nov 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

New England

Im not sure the Colts comes badly out of a comparison with the Patriots over the last fewyears.

NE has after all spent the following on their secondary since ’07
- four Colts 1st round picks (average draft position #29)
- two 2nd round picks
- two expensive free agents

And still, they have the worst secondary in the league.

Imagine the kind of criticism they would face from this fanbase…

by thsunga on Nov 3, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

with the extra rings and apperances in the same time period

i doubt theyd be complaining anymore than everyone is now.
their run has been a little more prolific…very questionable but prolific
But if they dont start winning playoff games again the fans may get on them

by C.Settles on Nov 3, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the picture of Polian, Caldwell and Hughes

That man (Caldwell) is the head coach of this team and has been allowed to be for more than 2 years now…….

Just let that sink in for a while.

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by AceOfSpades on Nov 3, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Back to back Super Bowl winners

During those years there have not been many back to back super bowl winners or back to super bowl losers. Patriots. Other teams have choked away opportunities or failed to win as a simple course that on of any given Sunday a team wins or loses, except maybe a Donavan McNabb team. Now our Colts will probably lose more because we cannot beat teams bigger than us unless teams bigger than the Colts play below their abilities or it is the Colts Sunday. They used to say Sugar Ray Robinson would beat Joe Louis; well no one really said that to much. What they sad was this: A good big man will beat a hood little man in the ring most of the time. Over the years, We have watched a darling in Peyton Manning on one side of the ball and Dwight Freeny leading the way in the Tampa 2. It’s over. Both respective leaders are good men. In the era of parity, teams have to be exceptional once to win one Superbowl; lucky to win two in a five year window; and great to win three in five years. Now it’s time to move forward, rebuild and reload.

by Leroystayclean on Nov 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Just let that sink in for a while.
AceOfSpades – November 3, 2011 reply
Back to back Super Bowl winners
During those years there have not been many back to back super bowl winners or back to super bowl losers. Patriots. Other teams have choked away opportunities or failed to win as a simple course that on of any given Sunday a team wins or loses, except maybe a Donavan McNabb team. Now our Colts will probably lose more because we cannot beat teams bigger than us unless teams bigger than the Colts play below their abilities or it is the Colts Sunday. They used to say Sugar Ray Robinson would beat Joe Louis; well no one really said that to much. What they said was this: a good big man beats a good little man most of the time. It’s over. Now it’s time to move forward and get bigger, stronger, faster, and get lucky. This is sports and great entertainment.

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