Peyton Manning Has Started To Throw, Hasn't Talked About 2012 Draft
The crazy mob scene you see in the picture above was Colts QB Peyton Manning talking to the media this afternoon, and he opened up about his injury, his rehabilitation, and talked about not talking about the 2012 Draft. Let's take these one at a time, thanks to Phil Richards and Phil B. Wilson from the Indy Star transcribing the entire session:
You can ramp up rehab, what does it mean?
"We’ll find out. I’ve been pretty good in following the doctor’s orders, following (Colts director of rehabilitation) Erin (Barill’s) plan. It allows for more activities. I look forward to kind of seeing what those are and trying to get back into a normal routine."
It doesn’t guarantee anything in this next phase, but it does allow you to step into that phase. The worst news we could have heard is, ‘Hey, you’re still not where you want to be and you’ve got to keep doing what you’re doing.’ He has given us clearance for the next phase and I’ll follow that as well as I can."
In other words, he's not telling us what he's up to, which is fine. I can imagine they don't want other teams knowing how he is rehabbing, so it makes sense he won't give any details. He also, rightfully so, makes it clear that this is just step one in the process, and getting back to playing form is still not guaranteed. Just to keep everyone grounded I suppose.
Any chance you practice before season ends?
"Like I’ve said all along, that would be what I would like to do. I think the plan would be for this next phase is to go out there and see what I can do now that I have a little more clearance.
At this point in the season, there's really no reason for the Colts to put Manning on Injured Reserve, especially if he can go out there and practice. Getting Manning some practice snaps, and seeing how he looks, is more important than winning a game, at least in the long run for the franchise. Plus at this point an injury to someone else could easily mean just placing that player on IR, as there's only 4 games remaining.
On the nerve, are you at a point where you could throw and play, with no further progression?
We have some things I haven’t been allowed to do in this past phase. Now that we can do a little more, throwing, if that’s what you’re asking, throwing will be a part of this next progression. That is somewhat critical to my job. I will be throwing and have been doing some throwing. We have to ramp that up a little bit and answer some more questions about where we are.
Sports Illustrated's Will Carroll was on local radio station AM1260 this afternoon, and he said this was the best possible news the Colts, and Colts fans could have hoped for. The fact that he's already done some throwing, even minimal as Manning later clarified, means there's been some muscle conditioning already, and can only get better. Now, Carroll was also quick to point out that this doesn't mean he'll be back at 100% of what he was before, and maybe not even 50%, but the fact that he's throwing makes him believe we could see Manning on a football field in 2012.
Cue the Happy Dance.
(Vice chairman) Bill (Polian) said on radio show he spoke with you and you’d be willing to (accept the team drafting a QB) ….
"First, I want to say any conversation that Bill and I have are alone between he and I. I will say he and I have not had a conversation about the 2012 draft. Bill keeps a lot of the players informed on different things, but I’ve never known who we were going to draft in years past. It’s been insinuated that he checks with me. I’m not in personnel. I don’t do personnel. I’ve had no conversation about the 2012 draft. I especially think that’s inappropriate to even think that. I don’t think I would have in the 2011 season even if I was playing."
He wasn’t being truthful?
"Maybe a couple years ago, he would say, ‘Eventually we’re going to draft your replacement.’"
But that conversation hasn’t been had?
"No. No. I don’t get into personnel. I don’t. I don’t know what was said on the radio show, but that’s not the kind of conversation that would happen between him and I. Whatever Bill has to do for the organization, that’s what he has to do. I just play football. I really am, have been, just the starting quarterback here for 13 years. I have no other goal besides that, doing my job and doing that.
"Whatever they have to do, (owner) Jim (Irsay), Bill, that’s what they have to do. I don’t really know what else to say besides that."
This has gotten a lot of play here on Stampede Blue, and I encourage you to have an educated opinion on this. I think Manning makes it perfectly clear that Polian never talks to him about personnel, and doesn't expect Polian to ask his opinion on personnel matters. I'm not sure he could have made that any clearer.
I really think there is a growing divide between the Polians and their franchise QB. My thoughts on this are enough to fill its own post, so I'll save it for another day. But I get the sense they won't be enjoying a shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's any time soon together.
Again, please go read the entire transcript from the media session today (via the Indy Star), and thank Phil B. on Twitter for transcribing it all for us. Lots to digest, and there is plenty more I didn't get in here.
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I'm really glad things are going well and all
But as excited as I am to possibly see him under center again, I can’t help but think that this is also another chance for the front office ignore all our problems for another few years.
Don't talk about--playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game!
Reading it, it doesn't really seem to me like Peyton is upset with the Polians.
Not saying it’s not possible, it just seems like he wanted to make it clear that the Colts don’t go through him on personnel decisions, like some have insinuated. I think Peyton’s tired of people asking about the future, including the draft. He’s not going to make that decision, and I’m sure he doesn’t really enjoy talking about his possible replacement right now. That’s what I got from the transcript anyway.
It's Polian's fault he was asked the question
[I]t just seems like he wanted to make it clear that the Colts don’t go through him on personnel decisions, like some have insinuated.
You know who insinuated that? Bill Polian. He’s not asked the question if Polian didn’t say he talked to Manning about drafting a QB and he was “fine with it.”
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Polian saying "I've talked with Peyton before about drafting a QB and he's fine with it"
Means very little to me. It doesn’t insinuate to me that they talk to him about personnel, it just looks to me like they’ve talked about his eventual replacement before, and that Peyton knows that they have to do what they have to do. Which is pretty much exactly what Peyton said in the interview.
by James Broschat on Dec 3, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
The hatred for Polian on this site has them fishing for any little anti Polian piece.
by VERNON HOWELL on Dec 3, 2011 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No fishing is required
He makes it very easy to find.
Just because I’m curious, if you had to put a percentage blame on Polian for this 0-11 mess, what would you put it at?
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I think you're willfully ignoring the obvious here
which isn’t terribly surprising. Enjoy that Polian jersey, you may not be able to wear it much longer.
But that's not what Polian said
I’ll link what Polian actually said again, emphasis mine:
Q: What are the chances of going after Andrew Luck in the draft so he can be molded?
A: I’m not going to mention any particular player because we haven’t made any decision on who that player might be. I’m around the country scouting this week. I will finish up, ironically enough, at Stanford, but only because it’s the most convenient thing to do on a bye week. It has nothing to do with any choice that we’ve made at this point in time, or would make at any time until April. I have said this in numerous inquiries, I guess it’s from people in the media more than fans, the bottom line is if the right person is there, and it has to be the right person, now is the time to consider that. Peyton and I have spoken about that, and he’s fine with it.
He was specifically asked about Luck, and while Polian talked in generalities because he has to, he didn’t say he talked to him about it in the past, which I’m sure he has. He’s talking about this upcoming draft, taking a QB and Manning molding him. Polian said he talked to Peyton, Peyton said that conversation never happened.
Also, if he wasn’t talking about this year specifically, why even mention Peyton’s name in the first place? The only part of the question pertaining to Manning was the molding part, which is the only reason to bring Manning into the answer. I’m guessing when Polian and Manning chatted about drafting a future QB, whenever it happened, the year they were targeting was probably 2014 or 2015, not 2012.
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You're 100% correct
…when you say Polian spoke in “generalities”, and that’s why his statement is open to interpretation. Yes, it’s possible he was specifically referring to a conversation with PM about the 2012 draft, but If you have an open mind about it, it’s also possible he was talking about a prior conversation about drafting a replacement – which PM admits is a conversation they’ve had. Yes, the question was specifically about Luck and the 2012 draft, but since when has BP ever stayed on topic when someone tries to force him in a corner with a tough question?
So, yes, he is speaking in generalities, which is why these statements don’t necessarily amount to a smoking gun.
As far as the growing divide between BP and PM, there certainly isn’t anything in the media transcript that supports it…if anything PM himself says he’s fine with drafting a QB, which has always been “the big question”. I think we’re all anxious to read the post you promise that will detail further evidence of the divide.
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The growing divide
certainly isn’t based just on this one media session.
It started almost two years ago.
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Then you'll have a lot to write about, won't you?
Looking forward to it. (and that draft analysis)
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"When we were just starting out, if we didn't have anything left to play, we'd just go with anything by The Replacements. Anything. And the place would go wild." ~ Jeff Tweedy
You guys like to think you can read minds
Always the same crap lately…you guys think you can read minds or twist words around just enough to create a story here when there is no story…which is a bunch of bull….on and on you go for the last few weeks making up crap on Manning…
Lies everytime he opens his mouth
Either Bill or Peyton is lying. I know where my money is going. You should not be allowed anywhere near a keyboard.
by braveheartcolt on Dec 3, 2011 3:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did I miss something?
Was I not clear enough that I believe Peyton Manning 100%? What words am I twisting?
I’m also not bulimic, so I can’t read minds.
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Bigger issue at hand?
I think the bigger issue is Bill saying he had discussed Peyton’s future on a radio station if the conversation really never happened. It seemed to me like Peyton was frustrated about Bill saying that comment more than the actual question. I don’t remember the exact quote from the Polian show, but if Bill did say specifically that they had discussed Peyton’s future/wilingness to accept drafting Andrew Luck and that conversation never happened, that could be news.
Peyton doesn’t seem like the type of guy to be lied about or misquoted in the media.
by trevcam11 on Dec 3, 2011 12:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You good sir hit the nail on the head
Here’s the quote from the show (emphasis mine):
Q: What are the chances of going after Andrew Luck in the draft so he can be molded?
A: I’m not going to mention any particular player because we haven’t made any decision on who that player might be. I’m around the country scouting this week. I will finish up, ironically enough, at Stanford, but only because it’s the most convenient thing to do on a bye week. It has nothing to do with any choice that we’ve made at this point in time, or would make at any time until April. I have said this in numerous inquiries, I guess it’s from people in the media more than fans, the bottom line is if the right person is there, and it has to be the right person, now is the time to consider that. Peyton and I have spoken about that, and he’s fine with it.
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positive news
his injury just takes a while to heal,, on schedule to be ready to go next year,, this is the first yr since Peyton has been here that a lot of us are not looking forward to the Pats game,, usually the best game of the year,, Colts will evaluate Peyton, I say he will be good to go next year,,, Besides the draft ,, time for them to start evaluating for a NEW HEAD COACH!!!!!!!!!!
And how about Mr. Personality
Mr. Bellicheck taking a big shot at the Colts saying how when they lost Brady they still ahd a good team and his team isn’t dependent on just one player ( you can read what he said in the Indy Star) WHAT he should have acknowledged was that this is a unique situation and that PEYTON is so good and he respects him so much that this is the one situation for good or bad that it worked to build a team around one player and that he respects and fears Peyton so much that he had to go for it on 4th and 2 from his own 29 that game cause he wa scared to punt the ball to Peyton at the end of the game
^^^^^ one gazillion times this
I’m sure that is what BB was trying to say, he just didn’t want to upset Brady.
Belicheck is funny like that, is it insanity or pure genius?
Belicheck went in Front of the BOSTON media, where a couple reporters were extremely critical of the Colts, a couple quetions were down right disrespectful and mocking.
Basically laughing at the Cotls, and Belicheck took exception to that,(talked about Freeny and Mathis and our stellar WR corp) to the point he was criticized by the elitist media for his rudenss back to them.
Belicheck knows this could be a trap game if his team doesnt give us the “any Given Sunday” respect, and wants to avoid that..but I just love how he incites the media so
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Well when BBS comes back, he will have an article where he quotes
Bob Kravtiz questions to Peyton cuz Kravitz and BBS are thinking alike
Kravitz askedof Polian ws not being trouthful and Peyton squirmed quite a bit, guess his body language gave away his true thoughts
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Two Pennies
As a Chiefs fan, I have little to say or add to your personnel discussion (and the Chiefs have their hands full there as well). I just wanted to say that, from another fans POV, it just hasn’t been the same without Peyton this year and I do hope that this surgery heals to the best of its ability.
I have had back surgery, and my mother has had neck surgery, and can empathize with the slow process of it all and not knowing what limitations may come with it. But anyway, I just wanted to say this is good news to hear that he’s healing so well and I do hope we see Peyton next year in some fashion. Good luck against the Pats this weekend!!
thanks and good luck to you guys
hasn’t been a good season for your team also
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 3, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Just throwing it out there b/c I know the Polians read this
If Manning is healthy, try and trade the top pick to Cleveland for both of their 2012 first rounders & either Phil Taylor or Joe Haden. There’s 3 first rounders for the top pick. I’d also try and go for a 2nd and 3rd, but I’d be happy as a fan with that. There is a lot of talent in this 2012 draft coming up & the more picks the better for Manning and the team’s future at winning a Super Bowl in the next 3, 4, or 5 years.
'b/c I know the Polians read this'
They comment on here too….quite frequently.



































