Recap Of The Bill Polian Show: Week 15, 2011
After Bill Polian's meltdown on the radio following the Colts now-infamous handling of the Week Sixteen game against the New York Jets in 2009, the Colts have blocked the call-in radio program named 'The Bill Polian Show' from Internet listeners. This show features Colts vice chairman Bill Polian, and it allows regular Colts fans to call-in and ask him questions which he, frequently, gets annoyed answering. It is the only Colts content that is not streamed live on the net. Thus, because Colts fans outside the Indianapolis area cannot listen in on the show, we provide highlights from the program, which often include Bill Polian saying things he later claims he did not say. However, since the Colts and Mr. Polian do not provide fans or media with recordings of the show, you'll just have to take our word that what we write below is indeed what Mr. Polian actually said. Hope you enjoy.
Stampede Blue live-tweets the highlights while the show is happening.You can follow Stampede Blue on Twitter at @stampedeblue.
For the first time this year, our recap of The Bill Polian Show happens after the Colts won a game! Only took 15 weeks, and if you listened to the Colts vice chairman last night, the win over the Titans 'validated' all of the work done this year by the coaches, players, and front office staff.
Polian also used his show to blame former-defensive coordinator Larry Coyer for most of the team's defensive problems. Other highlights included Polian strongly suggested that Peyton Manning would not be a Colt next year; that the team needs an infusion of 'game-breaker' talent at virtually all positions; and he, once again, disagreed with the label that the Colts defense is 'built to play with the lead' even though his former head coach, Tony Dungy, has often referred to the Colts defense as one 'built to play with the lead.'
And the recap begins:
- Polian started the show by praising the defense, in particular the defensive tackles. He singled out Antonio Johnson, saying he played probably his best game as a Colts. worth noting that, last week, Polian bashed the hell out of the DTs.
- Interesting moment in the show was when Polian talked about how important it is for the Colts to get a good interior rush from the DTs. Inside pressure MAKES the pass rush, he said. He also said the Colts defense doesn't work unless DTs are penetrating and getting into the backfield. This is interesting given the front office doing virtually nothing in recent years to bring quality talent to the DT position. If it's so important, why not draft Ziggy Hood over Donald Brown? Why cut Tommie Harris when he had a strong preseason, and is now playing well for the Chargers?
- Polian praised Ernie Sims and the rest of the linebackers.
- Show host Bob Lamey said the lockerroom after the game yesterday was 'like the Colts won the Super Bowl.'
- Polian said the win yesterday 'validated' the work done by the players, coaches, and personnel staff all year. He praised effort of the team, and added the his first year in Indy (when the team went 3-13), there were plenty of people who gave little effort.
- Polian bashed officiating during the Carolina game against the Colts this year. He said the call during potential game-winning drive was 'the worst call in the history of football.'
- Polian praised the fans. Called them among the greatest in any sport.
- A caller asked if Donald Brown was going to replace Joseph Addai next year. Polian responded by saying it depends on how Colts constructs the offense going forward. The team is using a FB now, and this seems to benefit Brown. Might not do this going forward. However, Polian made it clear that, in his view, the Colts are 'more complete with a fullback.'
- Polian brought up former Indiana Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh. Walsh once told Polian that, sometimes, when you board the team bus or plane after a loss, you look at the team and say, 'I don't like my team.' Othertimes, you board the bus or plane after a loss and you DO like your team. Polian concluded his little anecdote by saying, 'I like my team.'
- A caller asked why certain players appeared 'smug' after the game, considering the team is 1-13. Polian responded by saying players weren't 'smug.' They were 'exhausted.'
- Very interesting moment in the show came when a caller asked Polian is Peyton Manning would be on the Colts next year. Polian responded, 'I don't know.' He went on to say that there are so many variables with Manning that it's impossible to give an answer yes or no. Polian's tone seemed to strongly suggest that, in his view, Manning is gone after 2011.
- A caller asked what are the Colts biggest needs this offseason. Polian responded by saying the team need young, 'game-breaking' talent at virtually all position except offensive tackle.
- A caller asked why the Colts defense has, essentially, sucked for so many years. Polian answered that the changed defensive coordinators this year because this season, and in previous years, 'management was not happy with the results.' While not specifically naming Coyer, Polian said the former-defensive coordinator was 'not a good fit' for the Colts.
- Polian continued talking about the defense, saying its job is to hold opponent under 17 points and get turnovers.The Colts Colts defense will always give up runs and passes. It's not schemed to stop the run. 'We're much more like Detroit Lions,' Polian said.
- Polian gave high praise to defensive coaches Wade Phillips and Dom Capers. He also called Capers and Dungy two of the best defensive coaches in history of NFL. side note: Capers and Dungy both worked for Polian in Carolina and Indy, respectively.
- A caller asked if there were any QBs the Colts were interested in drafting. After making another useless comment that insults 'draft gurus,' Polian then said he cannot comment on underclassmen who have not declared for the NFL Draft.
- Polian said it is not true that the Colts defense is 'built to play with a lead.' Interestingly, Tony Dungy (the man who built the Colts defense) often calls it a 'defense that's meant to play with a lead.'
- Polian said the Colts roster must be built to gain big plays in the passing game. The modern NFL is about passing, not running. Said the Colts need young, explosive playmakers.
- Polian needed the show by talking about the Texans (the next opponent for the Colts), and how the Colts need to control the kick return game.
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Polian praised the fans.
Called them among the greatest in any sport.
If The Redehead says it, you know it’s true.
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Polian concluded his little anecdote by saying,
‘I like my team.’
That, is why you FAIL.
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I'll say it again
A lopsided account of the BP show, as expected. What is he supposed to say when asked if Peyton is coming back? If he says “Hell yes!” and Peyton has issues and cannot return, I would expect one blog to bash the heck out of him. “I don’t know” is a reasonably accurate answer, I would say. How can he know right now?
Each week he calls out folks who should/could play better. And then they do, and so he’s not allowed to say “nice job”?
smh…
by buymymonkey on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Monkey, you beat me to it.
I don’t see how this:
Very interesting moment in the show came when a caller asked Polian is Peyton Manning would be on the Colts next year. Polian responded, ‘I don’t know.’ He went on to say that there are so many variables with Manning that it’s impossible to give an answer yes or no.Equals this:
Polian strongly suggested that Peyton Manning would not be a Colt next year;by tim55 on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Better, more objective account:
http://www.coltzilla.com/2011-regular-season/recap-of-the-bill-polian-show-december-19-2011/
Read that, and then read this one for an opinionated version. That, as Brad has said, is the point of this site. I’m okay with that (not that it matters), but a suggestion would be to provide the link to the actual transcript, and then add his own commentary.
by buymymonkey on Dec 20, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
An even more complete account...
Is always posted on Colts.com, here’s part 1 of 2 from last night’s show.
Just another option for those of you who’d rather think for yourself, rather than be told what to think.
"Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion."
"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."
by Via_Chicago on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Intersting answer though
First time I’ve heard anything from Polian other than an affirmative about Manning. I thought it was interesting. I get the feeling Manning and Polian aren’t really getting along right now, and Manning will come out on top.
Thanks Monkey!
I will now go there for Colt’s info. I will continue here for entertainment purposes. No disrepect to Mgrex, Nopunintended, or Stew.
this was the biggest overreach:
Polian’s tone seemed to strongly suggest that, in his view, Manning is gone after 2011.
His tone said all that?
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
What's even better is today's comments
He pretty much implied if PM is healthy, Colts will draft Luck and keep Manning. Brad basically said previous that anyone who thought that was even impossible should be labeled an idiot.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
'the worst call in the history of sports'
well, Bill, I think we all know what that was..
#1 Pick
Who would have the #1 pick if we win another game and are in a 3 way tie with the Rams and Vikings? Probably can’t tell yet I know, but I was wondering if anyone had kind of projected any scenarios on that.
Three Way Tie
If there is a three way tie at 2-14, the Colts get the #1 overall pick.
by ColtsPensacola on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Go fuck yourself polian
TimeOut
by Jim"TimeOut"Caldwell on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Very classy indeed.
So much that he posted the same comment on multiple threads (and multiple accounts!). Getting a little sloppy, in my opinion.
Obviously a different person, but it’s like Indyshockwave all over again…
by DonkeyBoner on Dec 21, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Even though we all hate BBS's opinionated soap opera articles...
If BP refuses to put his talk show up on the internet, then BBS can make it as dramatic and opinionated as he wants. That is the price BP pays for restricting the listeners
by Angerer_Has_Anger_Issues on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
i agree, and even though I don't like BBS's slant, it serves a specific purpose in this context
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
Right,
and in the process validate every reason BP has for not trusting bloggers or dealing with web-listeners in the first place. I’m guessing he doesn’t think a web audience is capable of civil discourse…I’m wondering whatever game him that impression?
"Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion."
"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."
Donald Brown still a bust?
Time to eat some crow!!
Brown
Has been good this year. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t disappointing up until this year. I hope he continues to play well and the Colts keep him, I really like the guy. Still, running backs are a dime a dozen these days and not worth a big cap hit.
Brown was disappointing for a few reasons.
1.) Very few opportunities, when he gets carries, he produces. 3 -6 carries in a game is not a legit shot.
2.) Piss poor blitz pickups. But he has shown good improvement in this area. Not a great blocker, but passable.
3.) He has developed somewhat slowly, but in his defense, opportunities were few.
4.) Not regarded as a good short yardage guy, which I guess is true.
In short, I like him. Always have. And I hope he has proved himself as far as management is concerned.
When he gets carries he runs inconsistently. According to the advanced metrics of football outsiders his success rate is actually pretty bad. He’s ranked 39th. His DYAR and DVOA wasn’t anything to crow about before last game either. He’s second in DVOA now but Vince Young had a better DVOA than Peyton once so just sayin… Look at a play by play instead of YPC or the stat lines. Yesterday he had 16 carries. 3 of those carries accounted for 136 yards of that. So on 13 or the bulk of his carries he was averaging less than 2 yards a carry. That’s atrocious and only mildly better than Addai. That’s not bad short yardage situational running. That’s just bad. He’s terrible at running up the middle and blocking but excellent at catching. Saying he’s gotten better at blocking is true but not saying much. He looks terrible out there trying to pick up blitzes. He’s a legit starter and he’s running better than Addai but I can’t believe people manage to ignore how often he’s getting nowhere. To be fair better game planning would work toward his speed and kinda stay away from his lack of power. If on 3rd and short you’re running back has a 80 percent chance of not picking up the first down and only a 5 percent chance of breaking free for 30+ yards is that really good? As long as he continues to break off 80 yard touchdowns he’s acceptable to me but it is completely disingenuous to act as if that’s happening a lot. Talk about home-run ability if you want but I’d like to see more than one for a season and not against a team that’s clearly self-destructing when the game is already all but over. Seriously show me the runs. In how many carries does he have “home-runs?” Right. And to your point about opportunities I don’t think the stats really support your hypothesis. He needed more carries to play the way he is now but getting more carries than he currently is wont necessarily do much for him. Any defense is only going to give up a few plays larger than 10 yards on the ground. Don Brown seems good for 2 or 3 if you look at play by plays from the season even against a not so good defense. Giving him more than 20 carries will more than likely actually lower his stats. In summary. He’s not a bust. He’s fast. With better play calling I think he’d get slightly more consistent. He should be the Colts starter and I don’t think we need to upgrade but then again Delone Carter should be getting significant snaps as a number 2. Hell they should have been running a wishbone with some screens and misdirection since we can’t pass for crap this season and it was down the crapper anyhow. There are still at least 20 backs off the top of my head I’d take over Brown though.
by southerncolt2 on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DAMNIT DONALD!
Have you not seen the “Damnit Donald!” clip on youtube? That is all you need to know. He can’t pass block. Addai is the best in the league at blitz pickup. End of story.
Your'e wrong, that vid is a year old. You are dead on about Addai. Both are good backs. Watch tape from this year,
Brown is improved as a blocker. I never even mentioned Addai. My point was that Brown is not a bust.
Huh?
•Very interesting moment in the show came when a caller asked Polian is Peyton Manning would be on the Colts next year. Polian responded, ‘I don’t know.’ He went on to say that there are so many variables with Manning that it’s impossible to give an answer yes or no. Polian’s tone seemed to strongly suggest that, in his view, Manning is gone after 2011.
I’m not following your logic here. All he said was “I don’t know” but you take it to mean a strong suggestion that Manning is gone? That’s a tough sell at the very least.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
polian is a joke
i always thought he knew what was best but the guy takes no responsibility…He is the one who hasnt drafted these so called play makers. and that the d cordinator was wrong…he is wrong and needs to be replaced
BP has taken responsibility...
He’s said multiple times that he should be blamed for low talent in certain areas.
by James Broschat on Dec 20, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
i have always been a big supporter of Polian
i have read and listened to alot of Polian but of course its easy to say I should of drafted stafford over Hughes or drafted yates before the texans did but hindsight is always 20/20. I think the way he called out the o-line after the superbowl is terrible and now hes saying the team lacks playmakers. I just dont see how saying it fixes anything. He is a terrible judge of talent as far as linemen go but he is much better when it comes to evaluating skill postions. He is the one who drafts the players so at what point does him just talking without any results mean someone must be held accountable.
This whole thing is so confusing considering Peyton isnt playing which changes everything and for Polian to say this defense isnt meant to play with a lead is a joke becasue ive heard him say it before
If you think this, then SB is your only source of information
He’s stated a number of times that he takes full responsibility for draft selections that didn’t pan out. You won’t see that reported here, but he’s said it on his radio show and it’s in the show’s transcripts on Colts.com.
"Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion."
"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."
Since the win on Sunday:
6 posts about Bill Polian/Jim Caldwell/Peyton Manning feuds and controversy, all based on speculation.
1 post on the actual game.
by James Broschat on Dec 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Hey Brad, after today's statements by BP how are you feeling about this statement:
Get used to this very real, very stark realization, folks. 2011 will be Peyton Manning’s last in a Colts uniform.
Anyone thinking different isn’t thinking at all.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
If the biggest thing...
we have against Donald Brown is pass blocking, then I’d say we have a pretty good back. Adrian Peterson is the best back in the game, and he’s not very good in this department either.
i just find it utterly stupid that the author of this site refuses to acknowledge that Donald Brown is in fact not a bust and should not have been cut in preseason. He then cites our record as his reasoning without even giving any credit to the fact that the man just tied the longest run in COLTS HISTORY. This was a franchise that has had hall of fame caliber runners like Dickerson, Faulk, and the Edge. No one is saying Brown is a hall of famer, but he’s proven to be at least a good back. Just because he plays on a bad team doesn’t mean he’s a bad player, just ask Barry Sanders.
He simply just didn't fit the scheme before this season.
Brown needs a FB in front of him (just like most other backs do).
The only mistake Polian made with Brown was to draft him with no intention of using a FB. I bet it’s the same problem with Hughes. He just doesn’t fit in.
by Peter Storgaard on Dec 21, 2011 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yep -
I think that’s the challenge with any draft choice. They look good playing for their teams/schemes, and look good on paper. You plug them into your own scheme and they don’t work out. Add to that, we’ve historically picked late in the rounds, so we end up taking a crap shoot on people.
Brown doesn't need a FB
He just needs space. If a FB can give him that, as he did on Sunday, then a FB works great. But a FB doesn’t inherently need to be there.
I agree with you, that Brown wasn’t a good fit, just not because of the lack of FB, but the lack of run blocking in general.
by James Broschat on Dec 21, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
True.
The essence is obviously run blocking. My point is just that our scheme and our O-line isn’t very RB-friendly, and Brown is the type of RB, who won’t break a lot of tackles (if any). Therefore he needs the time a FB gives him, which gives him that extra second to accelerate and that makes him a whole lot more dangerous.
by Peter Storgaard on Dec 22, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think that most people who don’t like Don Brown have issue with his awful success rate and the vast majority of his runs that average 2 yards.
by southerncolt2 on Dec 21, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
35.5% of Brown's runs are in the 1-3 yard range.
36.8% of Carter’s runs are in the same range, and over 41% of Addai’s runs are.
by James Broschat on Dec 24, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Manning Preacticing
So I was hearing all over ESPN yesterday that Manning was not even going to practice with the Colts this year. Where was this reported, as I would have thought it would have been mentioned here?

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