The Draft and This Weekend
by emiller17 on Dec 26, 2011 11:54 PM EST
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As we all know, this week's game in Jacksonville will determine which team is on the clock and has "won" the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. Colts lose and the first pick is ours, Colts win and it depends on the Rams. This is all old news.
The players will not roll over. We have seen that the last two weeks. This team has fight. These players have heart. The question is, what would you like the Colts to do. Should the front office force the loss? What will that look like on the field? Is that a way to start a new calendar year?
Attached you will find a poll. Vote and leave your comments. Personally, I want the Colts to win. If you jump with me, I'll tell you why. I'll go even farther; I will actually be happier if the Colts DON'T get the first overall pick.
Before you all jump on the kill the writer bandwagon let me explain.
Yes, the first pick would be nice, but if we have it there is only one option. We take Andrew Luck. I don't know if Peyton Manning and Luck can co-exist on the same roster, but that is what Jim Irsay and the front office would try to make happen (providing Manning is healthy).
I don't really have a problem with getting Manning's replacement. My issue comes with the lack of options. I don't like that. Even if the first offer we get is 4 first round picks and a couple proven players, we can't take it. If we have the first pick, it must be Andrew Luck. We can't be the team that passed on Andrew Luck. There is no discussion.
I always prefer more options. If it turns out that we have the 2nd pick in the draft how many more options do we have? The Rams will move the first pick and stick with Sam Bradford. Someone will come up and pay handsomely for the rights to Luck. My guess would be the Browns, but it's just a guess. All these scenarios assume Luck is off the board.
1) We use the pick and get a player that can help this year. We all know there are HUGE holes on this team that Andrew Luck has no chance to fill.
Top of the draft defensive players are studs and can turn around defenses. See Von Miller and Ndamukong Suh. How different could our defense be with a player of this caliber on this team? Morris Claiborne comes to mind. He and Jerraud Powers at CB would be scary.
What about another stud OT like Matt Kalil? Anthony Castonzo and Matt Kalil at T kicks Ben Ijalana inside to guard and strengthens the line even more.
2) We trade back a little bit. Moving out of the second pick for extra picks is a tempting thought.. We could move back a few spots in the first and get an extra second this year. Secondary (Mark Barron?) or interior O-line (David DeCastro?) in the early-middle of the first. Run-stuffing DT (Jarel Worthy?) early second. Which ever (Secondary or OL) was not taken with the top pick with the second 2nd rounder. That fills a great number of holes with a few draft rounds left.
3) We trade back a lot and get some future picks. If we were to move from 2 all the way back to the 20s, we should grab a first rounder next year as well as multiple picks this year. We could still grab a DT with the first pick (Devon Still?). A CB (Chase Minnifield?) early in the second and Interior OL (Peter Konz?) at the end of the second. Plus the fact we have an extra 1st for next year. While it doesn't help as much in the next season, it does keep the future in the front of the mind.
I will admit, if Manning has played his last game as a Colt, I want Luck. If Manning is healthy I want him to win another Super Bowl in Blue. Best chance for him to win another ring is to improve the talent around him. That's why I will be rooting for a Colts victory when the calendar turns to 2012. Plus, I think it's bad karma to tank the first game in 2012. The Football Gods will not smile.
Which option is the best? I don't know. Which is the closest to reality? I have no idea. I do know that's it's not the end of the Colts if they don't have the first pick. It may actually strengthen team more to not have that first pick.
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I don't know about the stupidest...
We played Jacksonville in week 15 last year and they did finish second last year.
Bleedin' Blue for as long as I can remember. Can you believe we get to be fans while our team has the greatest QB of all time?!?!?!
The poll is obviously sensational
Can’t imagine the front office “forcing” a team to lose. How? Force the coaches to start Curtis Painter? Punt on every down? If there was any hint the Colts were deliberately tanking, they would be in major hot water with the NFL and face serious consequences. And there is zero chance the players care about some rookie none of them know and might not ever play with. They will play to win. Even so, the Colts’ closest road loss has been 7 points and despite Jax stinking, this game is still a toss-up.
I am taking a zen approach — it will all work out and no amount of my rooting or hoping will change anything.
No but play a bunch of guys who wouldn't get to play
They can try to win , but I do not want FREENEY getting hurt in a worthless, meaningless game!!!! IT would not be worth it !!!!! They may find someone who can help them next year , that normally they would not have been able to evaulate. IT IS ALL about next year,, now,, and getting back to the playoffs!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I have to disagree with you, emiller
We want to be “rebuild” the team as fast as possible to make a championship caliber team, cause let’s face it right now we are not even close. But if we get the 1 pick, and as you say, we get 4 first round picks ( which I don’t think someone would trade that much) and a couple of veteran players, how does that not help the colts??? especially if the goal is to get PM another ring. You say you want options, so get the 1 pick, maybe if you want trade down for even more picks those 1 round picks that the colts would get for the #1 overall pick.
But at the same time, I NEVER want to the see the colts lose on purpose even for the #1 pick, but if we have to think about the future. Besides, if the colts nailed every pick this upcoming draft, we have a great team for years to come. The colts only need to add a good QB and we’ll be scary good.
What hes saying though.....
Is that even though we want the number 1 pick so that we can trade down with it. The Colts have made it pretty clear that if they have the first pick, theyre taking Luck. Unless something changes in the meantime and they loosen their stance and become open to trading, It looks like even if we have the first pick they’re taking Luck, which doesnt give us as many options as wed like.
I admit im very torn over this. I want the Colts to get the first pick. Hell I even want the Colts to draft Luck. Id just rather have Peyton Manning though still, so if us missing out on the first pick and not even having the option of drafting Luck is what it takes for Peyton to finish out his career here, im ok with that. As long as they still put some solid pieces around him NOW, and they get someone in there to start learning from Manning sooner, rather than later.
The voting choices are a little misleading
I want Luck. I love Peyton, but you don’t pass on someone like Luck. I know we have no idea what he’ll be like as an NFL QB, but from what is being said about him, it is the equivalent of passing on Peyton Manning. Do I think it is “The only way to save this franchise?” Not at all! But it is the smart decision.
I know it is not what we are supposed to say, but I think winning this game would be just as bad as pulling our starters when we were 14-0. Winning this game does not help the Colts organization. It makes the players feel good, but players come and go (even Peyton). I want to see our offense keep clicking for another decade. As the Pats, Saints, Packers, Steelers, and especially the Colts have shown us, it is that you need an elite QB to win in this league. Peyton is amazing, but he only has a few years left. The FO cannot make an emotional decision here.
And now you can all throw rocks at me.
and I WANT THAT power esp. THIS YEAR
OF THE #1 PICK WHETHER WE TAKE LUCK OR TRADE IT FOR A RANSOM,, WANT THE OTHER TEAMS TO COME BEGGING AND SOME WILL!!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Peyton like Luck...
Are you Kidding me.. so you want Luck because his as sure thing as Peyton in the next Decade from the last decade? If that’s the case i would rather Trade for more picks. WHY.. Well the last decade speaks for itself. Peyton 10+ years in the playoff only one SB ring. if we are going to have the same thing for the next 10 years then what a waste. What has been the common reason why the Colts don’t make it far in the Playoff, the big holes on Defense, problems with special teams, not running the ball well. Have a look at Steelers, not the greatest QB in the league but one with one of the more consistent Defense in the league.
Nobody is advocating drafting Luck and purposely having a terrible defense
The thing that the Polian apologists always miss is that he has failed miserably over the last 5 years to surround Peyton with the talent to compete.
Hopefully Luck will get a better supporting cast?
It’s still much easier to compete with a franchise qb than without one.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
and u should be cheeering for the RAMS
who will get beat bad since San Fran now has motivation to win that game
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I can't agree with that I'd be happier with the
2nd overall pick. Because anything you can do with the 2nd overall pick you can do with the 1st and get more value. I wouldn’t be upset about still not being swept, but saying you want an inferior pick more because of the options it provides is humorous. You dont have to take luck. We are in the exact same situation as the Rams. We have a franchise qb. He is currently injured and we don’t have absolute certainty that he is going to come back. Thats the same as the Rams albeit Bradford’s injury isn’t as severe. If the Rams could trade the pick then the Colts sure as heck could too.
All that being said. Go COLTS beat those Jags.
Bradford has a high ankle sprain, and doesn't have 14 years in the league...
The Manning/Luck situation is kind of a toss-up at this point.
absolute certainty
Bradford’s injury isn’t as severe
I understand that Bradford’s injury doesn’t absolutely compare. I just meant that both teams have injured guys they consider to be the franchise qb. There is zero guarantee that Bradford ever returns to his 2008 OU campaign. He hasn’t performed nearly as well and there is zero guarantee that the Rams wouldn’t take Luck and Trade Bradford.
All I meant with my post is that wanting the 2nd pick instead of the 1st for the reason of more options just seems silly considering you still have all the same options with the first pick and it has higher value.
not if the FO plans to keep Luck if the get him like they say then you have no options with the fist pick
thats what the writer is saying i think you forgot that part
I think the point ...
is not that the first pick doesn’t offer as much flexibility/value/options. I think the point was, in essence, that Luck doesn’t help the Colts right away. For immediate help, and perhaps to place us in position for another playoff run, some play-making defenders are needed, particularly in the secondary. But if the Colts have the #1, they have no choice but to to take Luck — there’s simply too much pressure to do so. So, the author’s theory is that the 2d pick in effect gives you more flexibility because it takes the obligatory Luck selection out of the picture.
by Wippersnapper on Dec 27, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I understand the theory
except the Colts wouldn’t be obligated to take Luck, and the same trade options would still be there. If the Rams could make that trade then the Colts sure could as well. There would be no national pundit saying its not worth the Colts trading in the short term to boost the personnel around Manning if thats what they did. Yet imagine the backlash at taking Luck and Trading Manning.
WR
No one is mentioning Justin Blackmon. That guy is a freak and would make an instant improvement t to the offense by adding explosiveness. Claiborne would be great too. We need players that are going to help with the passing game on either side of the ball.
by Can't Wait!! on Dec 27, 2011 8:57 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Because the WR's on the team aren't the issue
Garcon, Collie and Wayne weren’t the issue this year. The OL, QB, DL, LB’s, DB’s were.
The OL and LB are fine
Both have young talent and both had the 2 best coaches on the team this year. Metzalars and Murphy were the only coaches really earning their money this year.
DL, DB – absolutely. We all know the QB issue.
Yeah, I'm Shure.
The two tackles and the center are fine
but I’m not really excited about going to war with either of the guards.
Joe Reitz looks VERY good. He and Costanzo have definite chemistry. I think Reitz could prove to be another great Polian find.
You can’t think this year alone. Reggie, Garcon, and Gonzo are all free agents at the end of the year. Reggie and Gonzo are probably gone. Assuming we resign Garcon that leaves us with Garcon, Collie, and Blair White as the WRs under contract.
Mark it down: We will draft a WR in the first four rounds of this draft.
by TrueBlue87 on Dec 27, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree as well.
We will draft a WR in the top half. We just need a DB or DT more for round 1
Yeah, I'm Shure.
No DTs worth taking until 33 at best. This is a week DT class. Claiborne is an ok fit in the Tampa-2, but Dennard or Minnifield are better. You have to look past the name to how it looks in the scheme.
Hopefully we get a new coach
Who doesn’t run the Tampa 2. It simply doesn’t work.
by Coltsfan1345 on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
The Tampa-2 works perfectly fine. It’s won Super Bowls and gotten teams there. Repeatedly
by TrueBlue87 on Dec 28, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and a great player can fit in any scheme. Claiborne would be just fine in any scheme as long as he is playing cornerback. He can play man, zone, doesn’t have to play bump and run but can if he’s instructed to, he’s a ballhawk, great return man. He can do it all and surely would be fine in any scheme.
by Coltsfan1345 on Dec 28, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Wayne WILL be gone after this year
So we need a #1 WR, Garcon and Collie ARENT #1 WR material
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
by dezznutz1001 on Dec 28, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I want the Colts to try and win.
If they have #1, they should pick luck. With that said, I think the only way the Colts can trade back is to stay in the top 6-8. The Colts are never this high, and rarely have the chance to pick a player with this kind of talent. Trading back anything past 10 would be a serious mistake, unless it is for multiple future #1 picks.
Yeah, I'm Shure.
by Music Man on Dec 27, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Never throw a game, no matter what.
Colts lose, and win the first pick. Last news we have, is Manning on track to be healthy. Draft takes place after we (supposedly) will know if Manning will be able to return. Winner for Colts. Colts win. Same story with Manning. Get #2 pick, which is still nothing to sneeze at, including a couple of QB’s that have great potential should the Colts insist on filling a successor spot. Colts still win……This looks like more of a win win situation than a win lose situation to me. The chips will fall, and I will be a fan next year, the same as I have been since 1963.
Kind of like heads I win, tails you lose!
A win is always fun, and will make a statement that this Colts team are fighters in the face of adversity. This is a message all those young players can internalize. Very valuable in my opinion. There have been some teams in the NFL filled with great talent that did not possess such intangible attitudes and dramatically under-performed. Of course we also still enter the draft with the #2 pick which over the past 5 years would have drooled over.
If we lose, well, who knows how that plays out but it is all goodness. I like our prospects in April, and as a Colt’s fan info addict, there will be no lack of mindless speculation, scathing assessments of all things management related, and even a handful of thoughtful insights into how the Colts will approach these tough decisions. And then, and theeeeennnn………………….. we watch the draft unfold like we are 9 and unwrapping all those Christmas presents. Weeeeee!!!
And don’t forget from experience that often premier techno over-hyped gift is long forgotten just a few months later while we play all year with the surprise NFL regulation football that we didn’t even know that we wanted. Yes!
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
by indylator on Dec 27, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You've got to hold to your beliefs -
If you were pissed that the Colts threw the last two weeks in the perfect season, then you have to support them playing hard this weekend.
Of course, the way you’ll be able to tell if they are throwing this game (which they won’t be, I don’t suppose) is if you see:
1. Curtis Painter starting
2. Danny O starting, and passing repeatedly
3. Donald Brown sitting the whole game
4. No full back in place on running plays
5. Us repeatedly trying to run that stretch play
6. Lacey with a 10 yard cushion on all plays (*this might be iffy since he does that anyway)
7. Pollack in there, running stunts
8. Freeney and/or Mathis replaced by Hughes
9. McAfee’s kick offs landing around the 10 yard line
10. Caldwell waving his hands emotionally, screaming and yelling, and calling time out
11. The defense running crazy stunts repeatedly
Anything I’ve missed?
by buymymonkey on Dec 27, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
great post
They should be true to their philosophy!!!! Why let someone get hurt in a worthless game!!!! This is a free game to try to uncover someone who normally would not get to play , so activate some practice squad guys and do not play anyone who is nicked up to not let anyone end up like AP from Minn.!!!!!! And I would have rather had 16-0 going into the playoffs 2 yrs ago then a 3 game win streak going into next year!!!! AND START CP- this will be his last game as a COLT- that way they can say they are trying to win and they will lose. THEY NEED THE POWER OF THE #1 PICK, esp. with the SB there this year!!! Hopefully MJD will have a big game – I think he has a chance for the rushing title???
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care where we pickin the draft
I think the Colts learned a good lesson this year and it will help them in the future. I think Dan O will be resigned to a muti-year deal and we have a back up QB. Game plans will finally change and some new coaches brought in. I think we had to many years of winning and it’s been good to get our asses kicked to remind us that change can sometimes be good. I think the future is bright no matter where we pick.
Dan O?
Dan O is good for a short term back up…but not the long term solution at QB. Even if we don’t get luck the draft has a few good QB’s that could learn from Peyton. How bout RG3. He is a dual threat that need some fine tuning and who would be better to teach him than Peyton. I too don’t care where we pick, but I hope we don’t waste our first round pick on a WR. That is not the problem, we need someone who can throw the ball the the WR’s that we already have. I would also like to see us get a running back like Forte…the Bears don’t seem too interested in resigning him.
Forte would be a bad move.
I’d love to have a player like him on the roster, but RBS are fungible. Forte is gonna make some big bucks somewhere, and that money would be better used by the Colts to fix the secondary.
How about the #1 pick
2-14 with the #1 pick is much better than 3-13 with the #2 pick
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
How can anyone not care about where we pick
Will not have a #1 pick for hopefully many years to come,, usually draft place doesn’t matter that much when it is between 24-32 , BUT they need the power of the #1 pick and a healthy Peyton next year!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Remember, the Jags do have a reasons to want a win:
1. Last game in front of a home crowd
2. Chance to sweep the Colts, which no one in the division seems to be able to do
3. Chance for Gabbert to prove his worth
4. May save some of the coaches jobs in Jax…
So, I’m thinking they’re gonna be playing hard. And didn’t they just beat the Titans a few weeks ago?
by buymymonkey on Dec 27, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so and MJD has a chance at the rushing title I think
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Correct!
Thanks for mentioning this. Here’s a link. He leads the NFL and needs to stay ahead of Lesean McCoy.
by buymymonkey on Dec 27, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's easy really, you deal with what you got and move on..why cry about it.
I am not for losing on purpose in any game unless it’s to my 8 year old. I ve been a youth football coach for years, you never tell someone to lose..NOT a good teaching moment. Players and coaches are playing for their jobs, they don’t care about Luck, that’s for us fans to argue about. This is their last shot at showing what they can do, there will be some that may never play again, and your worried about a draft pick. They are worried about their livelihood, their future. It just seems to me, play the hand you got and move on, we are going to get some good players no matter where we pick?
by armycolts25 on Dec 27, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The win streak is due to the defense, not Dan O.
I’m happy the dude has won a couple of games for us, but let’s not get crazy. Dan O. is terrible. The only reason we’ve one a few games is the improved play of the defense since they got rid of Coyer.
by Chris S. on Dec 27, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would say its do to both
Your right no one is saying Dan is the next great QB, but with some help he can win games short term, which is what you want out of your back up. He has been the best we have had, why let him go? 2nd or 3rd string he should have a job with us.
by armycolts25 on Dec 27, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How can you want anything OTHER than the #1 pick?
The minute Matt Barkley decided to return to school next year, was the minute that the #2 pick became almost worthless to us.
You have to get a franchise QB if you want to continue the run we had from 99-2010.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
EXACTLY
and stupid choice by Barkley, I predict his stock will go down next year hope he doesn’t get hurt
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
when a player comes back for his senior year after tearing it up (i.e luck, etc) scouts will do NOTHING MORE than tear down his stock that next season and pick apart his game. You can say Luck will still be the #1 pick however you already have some “critics” and “experts” who have tore him down and said that Barkley and RG3 were actually better long term QB’s. I laugh at the “long term” wording since that’s usually what gets coaches and GM’s fired since they need to win NOW and not in the future.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not so bad for Barkley
Doesn’t help us any, but I can’t blame the kid for going back. He wants a shot to win a national championship (haven’t been able to compete because of bowl ban) and complete the rebuilding of USC’s program. Plus, draft stock isn’t nearly as important since the rookie wage scale has been implemented. The difference between the first pick and the fifth pick is new just a few million instead of $15 million. He doesn’t stand to lose nearly as much.
Barkley comes from big time family money in Newport Beach,CA.
He is less affected by money than many others. He loves campus live, his faith and the challenge of potentially leading USC back to a championship.
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
Shortsighted on both counts. #2 actually becomes MORE valuable with Barkely back in school because it limits the top QBs to Luck and RGIII (assuming he comes out). Someone will probably trade to #1 to grab Luck which means all the QB-needy teams will want to jump ahead of one another to get RGIII which means trading for pick #2
And Barkley made the right decision because, statistically QBs who go through four years of college are more successful in the pros. That’s what Manning advised Luck last year and one fo the reasons Luck went back to finish up his degree
ugh, hello!
RG3!
He had more passing yards, more passing Td’a and more rushing TD’s this season than did Luck.
He also won the Hiesman, is from a military family, and he has ALREADY graduated!
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
by dezznutz1001 on Dec 28, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
not sure about that.
there are several teams who have won WAY MORE than the Colts in the playoffs without a franchise QB. If anyone thinks Ben R from the Steelers is one they’re crazy. He’s played terrible to mediocre in his SB’S and is just lumped in there for SB wins alone which we all know better who won those games. Brady won earlier not because of his being a franchise QB but more because of an incredible team around him. When he became classified as a “franchise” QB and they forgot about the team aspect they built earlier they stopped winning SB’s and playoff games. There’s even some that said that the Cowboys with Aikman was a biproduct of one of the best teams assembled rather than him being elite.
Give me a serviceable QB and a smack you in the mouth defense and a line that can get me 4 yards per rush and I will beat a franchise QB in the playoffs each time. Just look at the Colts playoff record to see that.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ben R is a franchise QB
All guys who are perennial top 10 QB’s are franchise caliber.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Baltimore Ravens
Give me a serviceable QB and a smack you in the mouth defense and a line that can get me 4 yards per rush and I will beat a franchise QB in the playoffs each time.
by James Broschat on Dec 28, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
SO START CP
Give him once last chance to win a game before his NFL career is over and that will ensure a loss for COLTS!!! This will be his last game as a COLT.
Battle cry
“Let the Paint dry!”
Ya, it didn’t sound great to me either.
by buymymonkey on Dec 27, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Luck will be a Colt
The Colts made a decision to draft Luck back in September regardless of draft position.
I am surprised that so few have caught on to this fact. While the FO cannot guarantee the first pick in draft, they can make personnel decisions that would in effect put the Colts in a very early draft position. This results in giving up the least amount of draft picks for the #1 position. We all know there is enough talent on Colts, less Manning to have won 6 -8 games this year, IF FO added a couple of vets in weak positions. However that would have mortgaged the future, and also resulting in Colts having to give up too much for #1 pick
Everyone seems to assume that if Manning in healthy, he will play at his normal level for 4 or more years. He will be 36 next year , having 3 neck surgeries. Knowing the importance of QB in todays game, I cannot imagine any owner passing on a talent that comes by so infrequently. Simply put, you do not run a business with this much of a risk.
Another faulty assumption regarding the “win immediately philosophy” is adding all these high profile draft picks will get Manning in a super bowl next year. Fact is hardly any rookies except in QB, RB or WR position make enough contribultion to significantly improve a team that year. If Colts are serious about giving Manning a chance for superbowl in 2012, they must cut, or not sign their unproductive vets to open salary cap room and add some at key positions. I would not count on more than 1 drated player making a big contribution next year, regardless of how many picks Colts get.
My guess is Colts would have to give up their #2 pick this year and #2 pick next year to move up to #1,,,good deal for Rams as they can still get whomever they wish plus add two top picks. Of course, I would rather see Colts lose on Sunday, but in scheme of things I dont see much a difference.
good points
but Rams could be a- holes and want #2 pick and 2-#2s or #1 pick next year – never know,, a loss on Sunday and don’t have to worry,, IF THEY could rest guys for the playoffs when they were 14-0 and had a chance for 16-0 they should play guys next game who haven’t played,, to see if they have any potential for next year.THIS is a free game to evaluate any possible untapped talent that might not under normal circumstances had a chance to play!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
You know if we have the second pick there could be a trade
Not that I want this to happen, but what if the Colts decided to trade Freeney and swap our number 2 pick for Luck. Thats a 16 million dollar hit that the Rams could easily handle and would come off our books or maybe a trade with Clark, Brackett..you never know.
Does anyone think that other team FO will throw this last game?
The obvious one is St. Louis, but what about the Jags? Do they want Indy to have the #1 pick, whether it results in multiple picks or FA, or Andrew Luck? We may think our team sucks, but they are looking at the last decade and thinking what a crime it would be for us to stock up.
So here goes my total conspiracy lunacy – Even Houston and Tennessee tanked on us. They both know they won’t go far in the playoffs. Houston is without their top receiver and fielding a rookie QB that was never intended to be the starter. Tennessee, well, they know what they have. We are all weighing long term versus short term benefits; why can’t they?
Do I really believe this? Ultimately no, but doesn’t it seem strange that we would win out 3 in a row ONLY to our division opponents?
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Let them use the same ethics as 2 yrs ago
try to win but with 4th stringers and CP like they did 2 yrs ago when they blew the perfect season
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Starting Curtis Painter
is a guaranteed loss. The Colts control their own destiny. Unfortunately, the people making the decisions, don’t always make the most prudent decisions.
If the Colts lose, then fine.
But if they tank on purpose, then I lose any respect I have left for the the coaches and front office. It’s all about ethics.
Pat McAfee 2012 Pro Bowl bound!
Anthony Calvillo - 72,382 passing yards - pro football's all-time leader
Jon Stewart for President 2016
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yeah but...
apparently the undefeated fiasco has not dampened your love for the colts and its ethics since your still pulling for them. no… even if they sat all the starters and played Pat McAfee as QB you still be on board. The FO could care less about what we think since they know we complain but still ultimately tune in and watch.
by Straight Out The Burbs on Dec 27, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way to know if they tank
Unless you have emails or taped phone conversations, any such claims will be speculation.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Let them try to win
But with guys who normally do not play much, a great free game to evaluate some talent that might not normally have gotten a chance,,,, and if one of our really good players gets hurt this game ,, everyone will complain,, and that is what they did 2 yrs ago,, they tried to win , but had guys like CP in there who couldn’t win so they should be true to their philosphy and do the samne thing now!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Dec 27, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
What a fan of an opposing AFC South team fears most:
The Colts get the #1 pick.
The Redskins’ idiot owner trades his next four #1 picks for it, plus whatever else the Colts demand.
The Colts’ scouting dept. magically gets a clue and the Colts draft half a dozen Pro Bowlers over the next four years.
Peyton comes back and plays ‘til he’s 42.
The Colts dominate the Division until 2018.
Ugh. I need ethanol.
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by dezznutz1001 on Dec 28, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
14-0 vs. #1 pick
If management was willing to throw away an undefeated easy season then they shouldn’t be hesitant about losing this game Sunday. I’m ok with drafting Luck or either trading the top pick for the world but regardless we need that #1 pick. Winning one regular season game against the Jaguars will do absolutely NOTHING for this franchise but landing the #1 pick will me a major move that will help us for the next 15 years.
by kferguson2002 on Dec 27, 2011 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They are not going to tank a game
There is no coach or front office guy that is going to go out there and tell their team to lose on purpose. You are outta your mind, if it ever got out that was said, the NFL would not be happy. Players and coaches are playing for there jobs, this is their resume, they are going to play hard win or lose. Just get over it and accept that wherever we pick is were we pick and we will get some good players.
by armycolts25 on Dec 27, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bottom line
14-0 team playing backups=not tanking
2-13 team playing backups=tanking
That math just doesn’t add up. The front office said were we still playing to win back then so we should “play to win” this Sunday too
by kferguson2002 on Dec 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Two completely different scenarios.
2009: resting starters for playoffs.
2011: no playoffs to rest for.
by James Broschat on Dec 28, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are comparing two different things
Playing back ups to rest your starters are different then playing 3rd,4th and 5 th string backups to tank a game. Our normal back ups should be able to go out there and play a good game, no one told them to go out there and suck. This season is over and players are playing for jobs and deserve the chance to showcase themselves, they do not care about a draft pick. Hell we have not picked in the first half of the draft in years, so what’s the problem ? Just deal with what we get, there is no point in crying about it.
First pick
Not getting this pick regardless of whether we pick Luck would be one of the biggest mistakes imaginable. We could amass many picks for Luck if we want to reload with Manning. There is such a discrepancy between the first and second pick that winning against JAX would be likely remembered as one of the biggest mistakes in any franchise history. I believe we should probably just take Luck anyway and Manning’s health is so uncertain that we should at least have the option. We need to tank the game. Sad to say I was even sick to see Reggie make that catch (though it will be a fitting end to an amazing career in Indy).
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