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Bill Polian's Drafting: Why Recent "Woes" Are Overblown

Recently there has been a lot of discussion on the talents and abilities of Bill Polian and the management of the Indianapolis Colts. Polian has been successful in his 13 years here, with only 2 losing seasons (making the playoffs 11 times), getting to the AFC Championship 3 times, Super Bowl 2 times, winning a Super Bowl, and in general building a powerhouse around Peyton Manning. Despite this success, it has been claimed that recently Polian's talents are slipping, with the main area of concern being the recent drafts. According to BigBlueShoe, writer and editor of Stampede Blue,

Much of the excuse-making for the Polians stems from the great work they did from 1998-2006. But, from 2007-2010, the drafting (overall) has been bad.

I respectfully disagree. If one is to consider the drafting of Polian from 1998 to 2006  to be "great work," then the drafting from 2007-2010 cannot be considered "bad." Of course, the words "bad" and "great" are relative, and very much opinions, but they can be supported with facts. I believe that the facts show that the overall drafting of the Colts has not slipped as much as some may assume.

Let's take a look at these drafts after the jump. (I just like to say that) :D

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I'll be looking at each draft and locate the players who started or were key players in the rotation for multiple years. Then I'll assign those players a value based on my own oh-so-technical system: All-Pro (AP), Stud (S), Good Enough (GE), and Meh. The Meh label is for the players that were productive, but didn't impress anybody, and probably weren't consistent starters. This is of course, my opinion, based on the players stats with the Colts and my overall impression of them.

1998 Draft

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Peyton Manning AP

Steve McKinney S

This draft was incredibly important in the fact that Peyton Manning was drafted. That cannot, and will not, ever be comparable in it's paramount importance to this franchise. However, other than that, the draft was fairly forgettable.

1999 Draft

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Edgerrin James AP

Mike Peterson S

Hunter Smith S

Brad Scioli Meh

This draft could have been made even better by the addition of All-American Guard Brandon Burlsworth, who died eleven days after the draft in a tragic car accident. Our hearts still go out to his family.

2000 Draft

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Rob Morris GE

Marcus Washington S

David Macklin Meh/GE

Josh Williams Meh

Decent draft, with some key players, but not one of the more important ones of Polian's time here.

2001 Draft

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Reggie Wayne AP

Ryan Diem S

Idrees Bashir Meh

Rick DeMulling GE

Very good draft. Wayne and Diem have been long time, key players, DeMulling was a 3 year starter on the offensive line, and Bashir started for 4 years as a safety.

2002 Draft

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Dwight Freeney AP

Larry Tripplett Meh

David Thornton GE

Good draft in the fact that we got a premier pass rusher (who has become the cornerstone for our defense over the last 9 years) and 2 other core players. Including Thornton, who was picked up by the Tennessee Titans after the Colts let him walk. Why do all of our good linebackers get picked up by our division rivals. That annoys me to no end.

2003 Draft

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Dallas Clark AP

Robert Mathis AP

Cato June S/AP

Mike Doss GE

An awesome draft. Clark and Mathis, who of course, are awesome. June was great when here, and Doss provided a decent starter for 3/4 years.

2004 Draft

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Bob Sanders AP

Jason David GE

Jake Scott S

Decent draft. Of course it would be better if Sanders could have stayed healthy, but you can't fault Polian for that. Bobzilla's one of the biggest reasons we won a Super Bowl, so kudos for that pick.

2005 Draft

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Marlin Jackson Meh/GE (fully GE if not for injuries)

Kelvin Hayden GE

Tyjuan Hagler Meh/GE (only Meh in first stint with Colts, but if you consider the resigning this year I think it pushes him over the edge)

An ok draft. Got us some key players on the defensive side of the ball for a few years.

2006 Draft

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Joseph Addai AP

Antoine Bethea AP

Tim Jennings Meh

Freddy Keiaho GE

Charlie Johnson GE/S

Great Draft. Nuff said.

According to some, this is where the decline happened. The 2007-2010 drafts. So, let's look back at the first 9 years to see what they show from drafting. First, they averaged about 3.55 solid contributors per draft. There was 17 All Pro and/or Stud level players in the 9 drafts, or a little less than 2 per draft. So how do the last four years compare?

2007 Draft

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Anthony Gonzalez GE (If not for injuries, I say he definitely is at Stud level, can't blame Polian for that one)

Clint Session GE/S

Keyunta Dawson Meh

Tony Ugoh Meh (Pretty much a Bust, though he was productive for a couple years)

Not a great draft. Not at all. I'd say this is probably Polian's worst draft, but considering that Polian signed UDFA's Ed Johnson and Melvin Bullitt (stud) during this time, it definitely helps his case.

2008 Draft

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Mike Pollak Meh/GE

Philip Wheeler Meh

Jacob Tamme GE

Mike Hart GE (Same as Gonzalez, could be a stud level if not hurt)

Pierre Garcon GE

This is not nearly as bad as a draft as it has been made out to be. We had no first round pick, and picked up some starters, as well as a few players who I still see as potentially being studs in our system. Both Tamme and Garcon have room to improve. I especially see Garcon improving as he works closer with Manning. We'll see what happens with Hart as well. Not sure on Pollak.

2009 Draft

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Donald Brown Meh (So far)

Fili Moala GE

Jerraud Powers S/AP

Austin Collie S/AP

Pat McAfee S

This was actually a very good draft, not a below average one. We've got 3 players that have already gotten to prove their worth as stud players in Powers, Collie, and McAfee, not to mention that Collie and Powers are right on the brink of All Pro, IMO. Remember this was only these players 2nd year! Brown and Moala still have room to get better (Moala has a good chance at being a Stud, IMO), and Powers, Collie, and McAfee could be amazing players.

2010 Draft

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Pat Angerer S

Kavell Conner GE/S

Brody Eldridge Meh

Considering that it's only these guys rookie year, they played great. I'm looking forward to seeing more from them. These people all  have good possibilities of contributing a lot in the future from this draft as well: Jerry Hughes (may be a bust, but it's far too early for that), Kevin Thomas (if he turns out like Powers that'll be a heck of a pick), Jacques McClendon (Polian says he may start next year), and Ricardo Matthews (if the Colts don't get a DT in the offseason, he gets a lot of action next year).

When you look at the last four drafts in comparison to the first 9, they actually look quite similar. The last four have over 4 contributors per draft (remember it was 3.55 for the first 9), and 6 AP/S level guys (and that's very early in their career, their stock is likely to improve), or 1.5 per draft. So, while their hasn't been quite as many AP/S picks, it hasn't been as far behind the other drafts as one may think. Especially when you consider that these are very young players who are likely to improve.

All in all, Bill Polian has proved his worth here in Indianapolis, not to mention the other places on his resume. While he's not perfect (Ugoh was a bad pick after all), he consistently gets players who will work in the Colts system, a system that has brought us to the playoffs 11 times in 13 years. And this hasn't even mentioned all of the gems Polian has found in Undrafted Free Agents! Polian may be a jerk, but he's a very good GM, and the past few years are very comparable to the years of the past. He's not slipping. Not yet.

Go Colts!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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I vote we up Mike Doss to stud

only because back when he played for us and made a big hit it was fun to scream, “MIKE DOSS!” and because he practically invented the dark visor.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 4, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

I love his name.

So fun to say.

MIKEDOSSMIKEDOSSMIKEDOSSMIKEDOSS

Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.

by JesusNinja13 on Feb 4, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention...

for nearly a decade most of our picks have been at the end of rounds. And some years we didn’t even have a first round pick at all. If we had been like other teams and not a record breaking teams (in terms of consecutive wins per year) we would have had better drafts as we would have drafted earlier in each round…my hat goes off to Polian for finding the guys he does with the picks we get and keeping our team competitive every year. When was the last year that you can remember, when at the beginning of the season you didn’t think we would win it all? Can’t remember? Neither can I. Polian has created a powerhouse with the Colts, that every other team in the league envy, because our consistency is unrivaled.

Great Write-up by the way. I too am a Polian supporter.

Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I'm in a police station.

by TouchdownColts on Feb 4, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

I wish Polian was my dad.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 4, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate Polian's success with a passion

And that’s the highest compliment I can offer a rival team’s GM.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 4, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Kevin Thomas?

Anyone hear anything about this guy? I’m pretty sure he got a standard type contract, three years or something like that. Is he healthy yet? If he plays and we have our returning CB’s all healthy, I could see the Colts passing on a CB in the draft unless its more of a DB/S pick.

Anyone know how to change post ID other than creating new account? Mine is getting a little stale.

by GoColtsin2010! on Feb 4, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

I love the “Meh” category.

It’s sort of what you do when you are at a bar, deciding whether someone is worthy enough to ask out. A “Meh” means probably not…depending on whether you have goggles on.

Recc’d

by moocow on Feb 4, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

If "meh" means probable not then you need to drink more beer.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.

"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart

Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Feb 4, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't want to focus on the UDFA's

merely because I wanted to show the comparison of drafting, since that is what has been criticized. I just mentioned it in the 2007 draft to show that even with a “poor” draft for Polian, he compensated with a couple good UDFA signings (Bullitt was a great sign). I didn’t include them for the comparison from 1998-2006 and 2007-2010, I just mentioned them as a shout out to Polian’s eye for UDFA’s.

Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.

by JesusNinja13 on Feb 4, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd add Blair White to the 2010 draft as a GE

he’s a rook, and not as good a collie, but the guy played pretty well this past year. He’s good at punt returning and is a solid backup

"Are you f*cking kidding me???"

by danorocks17 on Feb 5, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

White wasn't drafted.

He was a UFDA. Another one of Polian’s great signings, but I tried not to highlight that part of his brilliance in this post.

Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.

by JesusNinja13 on Feb 5, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, sorry i meant to put that he was undrafted in my post. slipped my mind

i just thought it would help highlight how this past draft was pretty good, but i can see that if you include all the UDFA you open up a whole new can of worms

"Are you f*cking kidding me???"

by danorocks17 on Feb 5, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the deal with Polian.

His drafting is good, but not amazing. I’d say the Patriots do a better job of the draft (but not by a lot). But Polian’s ability to find UDFA’s that become a core part of the team is uncanny.

Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.

by JesusNinja13 on Feb 5, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats drafts from 2006-2008... Eh.

Jerod Mayo, Brandon Meriweather and Laurence Maroney were the best things to come out of those drafts.

Mayo’s All-Pro, Meriweather’s good every second game and awful every other game, and Maroney? Eh. Chad Jackson was a flat-out bust, Terrence Wheatley had talent but was fragile. The rest? Meh.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 5, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was applying the same system to your drafts for those years...

I’d say 2006:
Maroney: Meh
Gostkowski: GE/S

2007:
Meriweather: Stud/AP (is a 2 time pro bowler)

2008:
Mayo: AP
Wilhite: Meh/GE

So yeah, not great, but they bring in a lot of FA’s too… so that’s a plus.

Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.

by JesusNinja13 on Feb 5, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Meriweather’s a funny one – he’d be S/AP about half the time, decent another quarter of the time, and an outright liability the rest (Belichick benched him for 4 games).

Welker was a 2nd and 7th in 2007, and Moss was a 4th in 2007. Some of the guys they drafted in those years were likely good players – David Thomas was quite productive in New Orleans – but that 2007 would’ve been extremely difficult to crack because it was such a powerful roster.

Some guys failing to make the roster out of the draft pool can be an indication of real competition due to roster strength, not bad drafting.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 6, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't blame Polian for Anthony Gonzales?

Who do you blame? Have you ever heard of a guy named DeSean Jackson that was available when we too the possession receiver with less talent? That is why he is a bafoon; not because Gonzales has been injured but because he would have never in a million years been close to Jackson.

by Caesar18 on Feb 6, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

hindsight is 20/20

31 other teams passed on him in the first round

"Are you f*cking kidding me???"

by danorocks17 on Feb 6, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

DeSean Jackson's had all sorts of health problems, too

And his are neurological – he’s had similar issues to Austin Collie, but arguably worse because a lot of his migraines and such have nothing to do with impact injuries, that’s just how his brain is naturally wired.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 6, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about this.
he would have never in a million years been close to Jackson.

How do we know this? With the little time he’s had, he’s played very well. Imagine what he could do with full seasons to work up the timing with Peyton.

Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.

by JesusNinja13 on Feb 6, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparent Weaknesses to Correct

We either need better running backs or a more physical offensive line.We’ve lost at least 5 games the last 2 years on special team(punt 7 kickoff coverage)issues.I’m not sure if its personnel or terrible coaching!

by CRAZYFURCOLTS on Feb 6, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

BIG NAMES MUST STATE IMPORTANT ISSUES OF NFL TALKS

Glad to see Manning & Brees at contact hearings.What must be stressed is 18 game season is a career killer,Rookie $ is insane (that $ should be used for retired players benefits) .With millions of Americans out of work the NFL doesn’t want to make the mistake that the NBA made!Their strike affected them years after it was over!

by CRAZYFURCOLTS on Feb 9, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

Yes.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer
Proud driver of the Polian for President bus

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 3, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You overrate

LOTS of players. No way this is close to accurate sorry. If BP had drafted all these studs and all-pros the Colts would have been more successful.

by Ben24626 on Mar 7, 2011 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

Says who?

As a Cowbooys fan, you should know all about how having talent doesn’t necessarily equal success.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer
Proud driver of the Polian for President bus

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 7, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, your misunderstanding the point of the post.

It was merely to compare the drafts to each other, and show that the drafts are relatively similar.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer
Proud driver of the Polian for President bus

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 7, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

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