Colts Quarterback Peyton Manning To Receive Franchise Tag Tomorrow
by mgrex03 on Feb 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST
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We learned this morning, through Indianapolis radio 1070 The Fan afternoon drive host John 'JMV' Michael Vincent, that Peyton Manning will indeed receive the Franchise Tag tomorrow:
#colts qb Peyton Manning to get franchise tag tomorrow according to ESPN. No surprise and lots of cash.
We wrote last week about how the franchise tag might not exist after March 4th, as there is no guarantee that it will be part of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, whenever that is signed. I think there will be a franchise tag going forward, but there may be some additional stipulations put on it (only 1 year, for example). I also believe Colts Owner Jim Irsay when he says Manning will get paid.
This news isn't really a surprise. If the franchise tag stays in 2011, and Manning plays under it (highly unlikely, but possible), he'd make somewhere in the $23 Million range. Not too shabby.
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Not ideal
but I’m sure a long term contract hasn’t been signed because of some crap regarding the CBA. Peyton will be locked down longterm before he plays another regular season game. Granted that might not be until October, but that’s a whole different story.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions
makes sense
how can they do a contract like that before the CBA
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Feb 9, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
because they're not trying to make brady
The Highest Paid Player In The NFL
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 10, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
This Can't Be Good
The franchise tag is basically a bullying tactic. If I were the Colts, I don’t think I would be bullying the person the entire team is built around. Especially after giving him a crap offensive line, a crap offensive coordinator and a crap head coach to have to suffer with for the 2010 season. Peyton is obviously frustrated with the situation. Just look at his completely out of character demonstrative reaction to Caldwell’s idiotic timeout at the end of the Jets playoff game. He and most any NFL fan knew that it was stupid, but ownership and management actually defended Caldwell. It’s ridiculous. Peyton should go to the bargaining table with demands for a coaching change, but it just doesn’t seem like it’s in his character to do that. I think the franchise tag bullying tactic (which is completely meaningless at this point anyway) makes it way more likely that he won’t finish his career in Indianapolis. I don’t think he would want to take the PR hit from a holdout, but I could see him refusing to sign a contract based on the situation Colts ownership and management has put him in with horrible protection and coaching.
It's no big deal
They said they would use the tag on him months ago. It’s a formality in the best case, and in the worst Polian covers his ass, because that’s his job.
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST reply actions
Its pretty clear, folks.
Now that the franchise tag will be used on Peyton. That he hates Polian Caldwell and Christensen. And any minute now the entire Colts front office and coaching staff will be fired.
So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.
by NoCuddleOffense on Feb 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
You said it, pal.
I heard Peyton not only wants Caldwell fired, but he’s demanding that he be able to give Caldwell 20 lashes in front of everyone.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 9, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Franchising Peyton Does Nothing To Ensure He Will Remain a Colt
“The current CBA provides that ‘each club shall be permitted to designate one of its players who would otherwise be an Unrestricted Free Agent [or Restricted Free Agent] as a Franchise Player each season during the term of this Agreement.’ The 2011 season is not a ‘season during the term of this Agreement’ so the NFL has no valid basis for claiming the right to franchise players in 2011.”
So basically, franchising a player now means nothing until it is defined as meaning something by the next CBA. The Colts offered Peyton a contract that wasn’t good enough for him. Was it about money? I highly doubt it based on Irsay’s comments leading up to now. Perhaps it had to do with him not being comfortable with current coaching and management?
Maybe they know something we don't...
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 9, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nooo...
that’s not possible.
Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.
by JesusNinja13 on Feb 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To franchise or not to franchise
I believe the truth about this situation lies somewhere between the scenario millrmt is laying out and Mr. Indianapolis Colts analysis. I have posed some worst case scenarios regarding Manning’s contract negotiation in the past and I beleive millermt has some valid concerns, but I dont think Manning hates Christenson or Caldwell. I do believe Manning is possibly insisting the Colts make some significant improvements at the left tackle position and on the interior line. If they can find a way to give Manning more time in the pocket, and also open up some running lanes, then the Colts will go back to the Superbowl.
Try this scenario out, Colts trade Reggie Wayne to an NFC team for a second and/or thrid round pick in the draft. Then they draft a wide receiver in the first round and an offensive lineman or two in the following rounds. Anybody want to weigh in on that scenario>
I Don't Think That Scenario Is Likely
The Colts roster is a legitimate Super Bowl contender right now with maybe as small a tweak as getting a serviceable veteran left tackle. If they trade Wayne, who would be the #1 WR? It takes a couple years to develop a reliable #1. Certainly getting rid of his #1 target wouldn’t be an effective way to entice Manning into signing his next contract.
For the record, I don’t think Peyton hates Christiansen or Caldwell either. But does he have confidence that they can make the decisions that can put them on top of the NFL? I know I don’t.
I am just frustrated by the decisions being made (actually, not being made) by the front office. In my opinion, Caldwell is not a championship-caliber coach. Might he be some day? Maybe, but I don’t want these precious next couple years to be squandered while he is learning when to call timeouts. The fact that the Colts are in this position with Manning tells you all you need to know. Why on Earth would you let him get to the final year of his contract the same year the CBA expires? Why allow there to be ANY chance he could go to another team? It is completely insane when the entire team is built around him. I hate to even bring them into this, but you see how the Pats got Tom Brady signed before the end of the season? That is a smart front office.
Not talking contract during the season
Was peyton’s call. He didn’t want to. Wanted to focus on football. Caldwells been in the Playoffs twice and the superbowl once, in two years. It’s a pretty hot start. The record speaks for itself
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 9, 2011 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok...
So it was too late after the season started. You don’t allow for ANY chance a player like Manning can go somewhere else. You extend before the last year of the contract.
As far as Caldwell is concerned, please give me an example of a coaching decision he made that positively affected the season this year. Because I can give you at least 2 decisions that very clearly had a negative effect.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/1/17/1940579/the-case-for-jim-caldwell
How about …. EVERY decision except for the two timeouts you’re thinking of. Radtad said it all.
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 9, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
That article was a defense of criticisms,
not an explanations of why he is good. You really think that every decision except those timeouts were good ones? I don’t think any coach in the league goes all season without making more than 2 mistakes.
Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.
god damnit jesus are you drunk?
Think real hard and say again what you think “The case for Jim caldwell” (not ironically titled) was really about. You jump in the middle of this shit and miss the point like a boss. I don’t think every one of Caldwells decisions was good, but when I’m arguing with somebody who “can’t think of one” I have to speak in absolutes to make my point. You know what I think. I’ve written it for you half a dozen times.
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 10, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
I guessed it was Doyel before I even hit the link
this guy’s a moron. He writes the same shit everyone else does only 2 days later. How is this a better read? Because it confirms what you already think? You should link HIM to radtad’s fanpost also. All you haters could learn something.
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 10, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
?
I’m not sure what post you are reading. I mean, all apologies to radtad, but that post didn’t exactly reassure me that Caldwell is a great head coach. I don’t think he is an adequate head coach for the Colts. They should not be squandering opportunities at this point in Peyton’s career because the head coach can’t learn when to call a timeout.
He's proved he's more than adequate
by coaching his team to the superbowl one year, and to the playoffs the next, despite all the injuries. Why would you want to pull the rug out from under Manning and bring in someone with a whole new system? THAT is what would waste a couple manning’s good years. Seriously, the Colts are a couple good linemen on the both sides of the ball from being unstoppable.
If a couple timeouts enable you to dismiss ALL of the solid leadership Caldwell has provided this team, then you can’t be reassured. You are just unable to imagine that being the head coach of an NFL team is a bigger job calling timeouts, confirming the PAT, and waiting to be told when to challenge a call by his assistants in the booth. I’m sure when the colts win it all next year, you’ll say “golly how hard can it be when you’ve got Peyton Manning?”
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 10, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
You Could Be Right
Caldwell might be adequate with a couple of line upgrades. I hope he is, I really do. It’s just that when you make a very visible mistake and refuse to acknowledge it was a mistake, I don’t see how that could inspire confidence in the team you are leading.
I feel like the front office is delaying the inevitable. Would getting rid of Caldwell “pull the rug out from under” the Colts? Well the last time Dungy’s staff was dismissed from a team, I don’t think that was the case.
I don't remember the details of Gruden taking over the bucs
But his record after their superbowl run was horrendous: the Bucs sucked until Gruden got fired. And then they sucked some more. I hope the 2011 season proves Caldwell’s worth to some of the fans. The players, the prez, and the owner seem satisfied with his efforts and his results.
Caldwell’s clock mgmt is totally debatable, but consider this: It’s well documented that Wake Forrest sucked under Caldwell (SoCalHoosier’s ears are burning). All these years later, he’s taken his first NFL team to the superbowl in his first year, the playoffs again in his second, and is 26-10 on his career with Colts. Belichick WAS The Mistake By The Lake, and look where he is now – an unquestioned evil genius of x’s and o’s. Real students of their professions improve over time. I have faith (right now, at least) that Polian’s and Irsay’s faith in Caldwell is not misplaced.
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Gruden in TB
Gruden is the winningest coach in Tampa Bay history — over (gulp) Dungy! There were some bad years in there, but he got them back into the playoffs 2 more times after their Super Bowl victory. The year he was fired Tampa Bay was 9-7, one game worse than Caldwell this year. And he didn’t have Peyton Manning at QB. His list of QBs included Brad Johnson, Brian Griese, Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia. Looking at Tampa’s offensive leaders during his tenure, it’s amazing they did as well as they did.
Calm down.
I was saying that that article doesn’t answer his question. Which it didn’t.
Peyton Manning- Screwing over Defensive Coordinators since 1998.
by JesusNinja13 on Feb 11, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Answers Nothing
That article basically discusses 3 things: Caldwell’s demeanor, The Colts record for the past 2 seasons and a ridiculous defense of his second ill-advised timeout of the 2010 season.
I could care less about his demeanor. Some coaches are effective by being more demonstrative, some by being the calm center of the storm. And there are coaches who are ineffective with the same styles. Demeanor alone has very little to do with his ability to positively affect the outcome of a game.
The Colts record, I feel, is a ridiculous argument. Caldwell is ultimately credited with the number of games won, but how many coaches could have produced a record at least that good with this team? With the exact same coaching staff in place under the head coach for the first season? Coyer runs the defense. Christiansen and Manning run the offense. I feel that they managed to win as much as they did in 2010 DESPITE Caldwell.
Lastly, defending the timeout in the playoff game is completely ridiculous. If you have read comments from the Jets, you would know that they were prepared to run down the clock and attempt the fieldgoal. During the timeout that Caldwell called they changed their minds and called Edwards’ streak down the right sideline. There was absolutely no reason to call a timeout when he did. If the reason was to set up the defense, wouldn’t you want to see the Jets offensive set first? Wouldn’t that make sense? He called it while the Jets were just mulling around letting the clock expire!
I will give you this: we don’t know what happens behind closed doors. Yet by saying that, all we have to judge is the actions of the coach during the game. By those actions, I am not impressed. Caldwell has done nothing to show me he is a championship-caliber coach.
So the colts record
for the last 2 seasons isn’t relavent? We made the big game in 09 and had a shot in the playoffs in 2010. Wins vs. losses is the MOST relavent stat.
by caldwellmotivatesME on Feb 10, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ok
So judging by the most relevant stat, the Colts went from 14-2 in 2009 to 10-6 in 2010. That is their worst record since Dungy’s first year. Following this trend, next season they will be 6-10, the same as Mora’s final year. And hopefully then any remaining loyalists will wake up and realize Caldwell isn’t what the Colts need right now.
As horrible as this season was, before that timeout, they had a 60% chance of making it to the AFC championship. After it? A 12.5% chance.
Please Peyton, please use the leverage you have right now to ensure that another year of your career is not wasted.
We blew the big game
Every expert, pundent and armchair QB (with you being the only exception)in the country all agree that Caldwell was throughly and completely outcoached in the Superbowl. Add that to pulling the starters late in the third quarter and pissing away an undefeated season as well as the timeout issues and the overall feeling the team lost confidence in the man by the end of the season this year, I would say he is on thin ice, or at least he should be.
by First Sergeant on Feb 10, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
They had the entire off season last year
If you recall, Irsay and Polian both said publicly that their number one priority during the offseason (last year) was to resign Peyton Manning before training camp. Guess they missed the ball on that one.
by First Sergeant on Feb 10, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
IMO, Caldwell is the greatest coach to ever live, period, forever.
I don`t think he has ever made a mistake and never will, ever.
That is a cold hard fact. Manning’s contract situation tell you every thing you need to know and proves everything I say. There are no other possible explainations or factors.
No reason to debate, Ì am 100% correct.
So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.
by NoCuddleOffense on Feb 9, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Can't argue with that.
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Feb 10, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
That is a stretch
I wouldnt go that far. Barring his unexplainable issue with understanding when to call a timeout and when not to call a timeout, Caldwell also has a problem with knowing when to throw the red flag and when not to throw the red flag. Case in point was the punted ball that went through Cromartie’s legs in the first quarter of the Jets playoff game. That wasnt even close, so why did he waste a timeout and one of only two replay calls? Caldwell may be in good standing with Polian and Irsay, but if he doesnt start being more aggresive and coaching to win rather than not to lose, then the players will lose confidence in him. I think we were begining to witness that toward the end of last season.
by First Sergeant on Feb 10, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not hardly
My vote for greatest active coach in the NFL today is Mike Tomlin. Greatest coach of all time would be a three way tie between Vince Lombardi, Chuck Knoll and dare I say it…Tony Dungy.
by First Sergeant on Feb 10, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
For the record
I dont think they would trade Reggie either, I just wanted to stir up some conversation that wasnt about Manning’s new contract. Besides, what would Indy fans do if they didnt have a professional athlete named Reggie to cheer for?
by First Sergeant on Feb 10, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Don't pay Manning to much
Unless he will lessen the contract when the team needs space to sign an important player.
I love the Colts but I think Peyton did not want to sign a new deal with the organization, not for the money, is because he wants a change on the coaching staff and bring some players. His only goal is to win another SB and it will be great if the Colts can do it in Lucas Oil Stadium. Don´t you think so ? I think Peyton do
I hope the majority is right here...
Hopefully this isn’t a bullying tactic by Indy. I wouldn’t advise bullying the GOAT. If he wants out and they somehow let him leave, it would be devastating. I love my Indy Colts, but if they let him leave, I’d have to take a long and hard look at myself continuing as a Colts fan. That would piss me off to no end and I wouldn’t be the only one…
My blood-type is Colts and FORD blue.
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