7 Round Colts Draft Take 2
by DClark#44 on Mar 16, 2011 11:18 PM EDT
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As explained in the title, this a second go around for a full 2011 Colts mock draft. I used the constructive criticism given by commentors (special thanks to shake and invisibulman) as well as changes in the landscape ie Draft Stocks. Updates are in all 7 Rounds as well as the removal of the minimal free agency acquisitions I guessed at. Damn you Players! Damn you Owners! Are you really telling me you can't figure a way to split a 9.3 BILLION DOLLAR pie? Really? Really? But I digress...
Resigned players are: Melvin Bullitt (SS), Antonio Johnson (1-tech DT), Charlie Johnson (LT/LG), Kyle Devan (LG), Joseph Addai (RB), and Adam Vinatieri.
Free Agent Losses are: Clint Session (OLB), Keyunta Dawson (DE), Daniel Muir (DT), Mike Hart(RB),and Gijon Robinson (TE)
ON TO THE DRAFT...
Round 1 Pick 22 - Derrick Sherrod (LT, Mississippi State) (previously Nate Solder, LT Colorado) I still think we have to go Offensive Tackle here. Two of our three most pressing needs are on the D-Line and O-Line. This draft is particularly heavy with D-Line talent meaning two things for the Colts. 1) A top tier talent can fall to us even at 22, or 2) In this scenario, many teams draft D-line in the first round and not addressing it again until the later rounds or in UDFA. The biggest knock I've read about Sherrod is he's not great at run blocking and does not engage D-Ends as physically as he should. Some reports say he can drive block, others specifically say he can't. What I do recall reading is Miss St. line had the second best rushing attack in the SEC, so Sherrod can't be that bad. In addition, I think Costanzo (my first choice), Smith, and Solder will all be off the board by the time we draft.
Round 2 Pick 53 - Tyler Sash (SS, Iowa) (previously Stephen Paea DT, Oregon State) I know this seems almost like Deja Vu, replacing Bob Sanders with a player from the same school with similar measurables, but the more I dug into it, the more it made sense. Polian likes his Big Ten conference players, it's a position of absolute need (with or without Melvin Bullitt), and Sash can help in the box. At 6ft 1in, 210 pounds with a 4.6 40, he has a good speed/size combination to play Safety in our zone coverage scheme. Finally, and I haven't a clue if this a rumor or not, but his full name is Tyler "Motherf*ckin'" Sash.
Round 3 Pick 87 - Sione Fua (DT, Stanford) (previously Austin Pettis WR, Boise State) I think Fua would be an ideal compliment to Antonio Johnson at the 1-tech spot. We all saw what happened in the playoff loss to the Jets. Without another true 1-tech on our roster, we had an out of position Daniel Muir/Fili Moala or an over matched Ricardo Matthews fill in, with terrible results. At 6ft 2in, 310 pounds, and playing on an underrated Standford defense, Fua has the ability to come in from day one as a rotational run stuffer. Plus if this happens, we will have to come up with some type of Samoan flavored nickname for Moala and Fua ala "The Williams Wall" in Minnesota.
Round 4 Pick 118 Joseph Barksdale (RT, LSU) (same) At 6ft 5in and 325 pounds, he hits hard! Watching him violently attack other linemen holding blocking pads made me smile. I still think Barksdale could be there at this pick. In a perfect world, Barksdale would come in and immediately displace Ryan Diem (cut) while simultaneously, Sherrod could push Charlie Johnson to guard or into more of a rotational role. This would make our starting lineup look like Sherrod/McClendon(or Johnson)/Saturday/Devan/Barksdale. A more likely scenario would put either Sherrod or Johnson at Right Tackle while Barksdale works his way in. Either way, our new line would be much improved.
Round 5 Pick 149 Roy Helu (RB, Nebraska) (previously Shiloh Keo SS, Idaho) Roy Helu, hopefully, offers a characteristic lacking in our current stable of running backs, durability. As a HUGE University of Michigan fan, I was excited when the Colts selected Mike Hart. Unfortunately, I see no way Mike Hart makes the roster again and, while a fan favorite, Dominic Rhodes really doesn't offer enough at this point in his career. Helu had back to back 1,000yd seasons for the Cornhuskers, but lacks the top-end speed and make you miss agility that separates runners at the next level.
Round 6 Pick 183 Tejay Johnson (FS, TCU) (previously not picked, thought to be traded to the Redskinsfor Justin Tryon ie I'm an idiot) Scouts view him as a great leader with good coverage skills with adequate speed. Ideal for a special teams spot as well as a developmental player.
Round 7 Pick 202 Justin Tryon Trade
Thoughts?
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I Agree Completely, Almost
First, I believe that Clint Session will be resigned just because he’s one of the only Colts who hit hard and is an energy player, the Colts just don’t have that so Session will be retained. Other than when Brackett makes a big play, he flexes his biceps, Session is a big energy player for the Colts.
Onto the draft, I think management has to be stupid not to pick a LT in the first round. I think that Costanzo will definitely be gone, but I think Indy will be able to take Nate Solder, though Sherrod is definitely not a bad option. I don’t think Indy needs a SS, at least not at this time. I think Melvin Bullitt has proven himself as a starter, he’s played very well in…..every game that Bob Sanders has been injured, which is 2 season, so I think in the second round, Colts will either go with a DT or a LT if Paea isn’t drafted by Indy in the first round. I think Indy needs help in DT, Muir regressed a lot, and it doesn’t seem ‘Mookie’ is getting a lot of playing time, god knows why? So Indy needs Jarvis Jenkins in the second round if LT is taken first round, and I’d continue in the third round to get Jurrell Casey and build our defensive tackles. Fili Moala is still an unknown, he’s on and off. But Eric Foster is in my opinion, has a great future in DE and DT
I think there is a 50/50 chance Costanzo is still there. The only team I could see taking him would be the Chiefs one spot ahead. I don’t think he presents value before about the 21-22 pick.
I also think you’re wrong about not needing a SS. Bullitt is a good player, it’s true, but safety takes a few years to develop normally and the Colts really could use a dynamic playmaker in the secondary. Bullitt is not that player.
I also think you’re undervaluing Moala. He improved a ton in his sophomore year and I see that continuing again in his junior. Foster can be held on for cheap. Spending picks LT, DT, DT doesn’t make sense and won’t happen because the Colts need depth elsewhere.
Moala is a UT though.
We need a NT.
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST
by JesusNinja13 on Mar 17, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Muir Sucks
Moala has improved, no doubt about that, I think the guy will be great, but say if there’s a complete lockout this season, Moala might not continue to improve by 2012. Antonio Johnson isn’t getting any playing time, and Muir just can’t make a tackle and get pushed around by the guards and centers like it’s nothing. We need a nose tackle to play 3-4 defense, even though some our linebackers aren’t that great, but that’s what I’m saying, draft 2 DTs, gets a NT and a UT cause even though Eric Foster is versatile, he’s not great yet, and until he is, the Colts can’t take risks.
I’m still gonna say that Bullitt is good enough. Many teams would be happy to have him start for them, I say give him at least 1 season, I’d rather fix up our cornerbacks, Jacob Lacey has a miracle rookie season, this year he couldn’t play man against a offensive tackle or guard if he tried. Hayden is getting old or something, but he just doesn’t look the same, and Kevin Thomas is unknown as to how good he can actually be.
To be fair, Lacey was matched up on better receivers this year,
as injuries forced him into starting positions.
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST
by JesusNinja13 on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Not Good Enough
Ok that’s a fair argument, but I can understand blowing coverages on plays, you know, 1 a game, even 2 a game, but when you blow coverage about 4 or 5 times a game, just not cut out to be a starter, and probably not a second string CB. He obviously couldn’t play man coverage as every wideout was faster than him, as so were most slot receivers. He couldn’t play zone as he was either covering the wrong zone or he was late going into his zone. He just isn’t that great. Maybe has the potential to be third string
Lacey looked bad because he was forced to cover #1 and #2 recievers and that’s not his skillset. Lacey is better suited to play nickely and dime back, where his size and speed are more of a matchup.
I think Hayden played hurt alot, which explained his play. The first three CBs on the roster are Powers, Hayden, and Tryon. Lacey is perfectly suited for playing dimeback, and Kevin Thomas is still and unknown, but could be good based on his tape as USC. Plus, he spent much of the season studying the playbook, so he’ll be well up to speed. Add in Brown as a possibilitiy with some of the playing time he got, and you’re looking at 6 good/decent CBs.
While CB isn’t out of the realm of possibility, depth and a future starter are SS are. Jamie Silva is ok, but he’s not elite. Do you really want to see Francsico back there if the Bullitt goes down? Because, barring getting a guy like Carter, Sash, or Black, that’s Indy’s option.
Lacey is not a starter.
Or a 2nd string, or a 3rd string, he’s a nickle or dimeback. There are only 2 starting CB spots in a 4-3 defense if I remember correctly.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 18, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He is also far better than we expected, coming out of a undrafted free agent.
You can’t keep those high expectations on his after one good season.
by Joseph Kirby on Mar 18, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Muir...
He played out of position all year long. When we picked him up from Green Bay his skillset had more to do with speed off of the line and ability to split linemen to penetrate. This is a 3-tech skillset. He was a part of the so-called “beef up” on the defensive line movement. Johnson for NT, Muir for UT.
Johnson suffered from nagging injuries throughout the year so Muir was forced into the NT role because he was the only player on the line capable of assuming that role. Moala’s improvement also made him the far superior choice to play at UT for developmental purposes if nothing else. So… simply saying “Muir sucks” or “Muir regressed” is not telling the whole story. IMO… the best option for the Colts defensive line is:
NT – Mookie, FA/Pick
UT – Moala, Muir, Foster (hybrid), Mathews (hybrid)
DE – Freeney, Mathis, Hughes, Chick
Foster takes over the Keyunta Dawson role permanently, Mathews takes over the Foster role, Chick steps up. BTW – Muir is easily the fastest interior defensive linemen off of the ball on the team, IMO. If you have to kick one it would be between Mathews and Chick for me.
by bamock on Mar 19, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also I've got a question.
Why do people say that Moala played so well? He had 0 sacks and even worse 0 tackles for loss. If Moala played so well then he would have at least had some production.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 19, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
stats dont tell the whole story.
Moala’s main job as a colts UT is to collapse the pocket from the inside forcing the QB to leave the pocket, and therefore feeling the wrath of Freeney or Mathis.
Agree with Session...
I am skeptical about statistics for numerous reasons but I can tell you that multiple sacks, incomplete passes, throwaways, and pressures occurred as a result of Moala’s work inside. He’s not completely “there” yet because I honestly think he showed a lack of body control or concentration once he got into the backfield, failing to complete tackles and picking up his own sacks, but his progress was tremendous. I also recall numerous tackles for a loss that were attributed to linebackers on stat sheets but were created by Moala’s penetration and disruption of running lanes.
Your point is not entirely true.
If Moala penetrates into the backfield a lot like you say, then either your wrong or Moala is an incredibly bad tackler.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Opens Up Mathis
What Moala is able to do, he’s strong, he’s able to push back the guard/center that is covering him, getting Mathis 1 on 1 against the offensive tackle, where he then have an advantage and can make the tackle on a run or get high pressure on the QB.
Nice.
Thank you. For sanity.
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST
by JesusNinja13 on Mar 19, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Not bad.
But if Carter is available in the 2nd round, I’d rather take him than Sash.
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DT a need early in the draft
Nice draft, would be happy if it went this way. Hopefully, we get FUA and DT. Jarvis Jenkins is menttioned in the first comments. The guy is only a UT, which we have. Jenkins plays weak and only benched 225, 17 times. We really need run stopping DT’s to succeed in the future.
I read that Jenkins is a run stuffer.
I don’t know what your talking about.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 18, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He Is Pretty Efficient
Jenkins is pretty efficient at run stopping, he would be a huge step up from Muir.
yep
great run stuffer with limited pass rushing utility, but better range in pursuit than most of the other 1-tech types.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
SESSION. Session Session Session. Singular. One of him. Uno.
And he’s already been tendered (two weeks ago). Assuming the rules regarding RFAs hold up with the new CBA (and since I don’t believe that’s even a discussion point between the owners and PA, I see no reason why it wouldn’t), he’s on the team next season.
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST
What if there are actually two of them?
Like identical twins. They just do a really good job of not being seen together. I just blew my own mind!
"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James
by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Then I wish one of them was healthy for the second half of the season :-\
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST
Sorry about Clint SESSION
I thought he was the child of Super Whitey, Senator Jeff Sessions. : )
Every Breath That Is In Your Lungs
Is A Tiny Little Gift To Me
Is A Tiny Little Gift To Me
While we're on the subject, nobody's drafting a character from Seinfeld
But I think that’s why “Castonzo” keeps showing up as “Costanzo” and other variants, because people are thinking of George Costanza. But I like thinking about George, especially trying to play LT, so the misspelling doesn’t bother me.
It's funny to watch people mispell Castonzo.
A lot of them do haha.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 19, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
on dt 's in draft.
I dont care how many lifts jenkins had and the combine,he does not play weak,he is one of the best run stoppers in this draft.He is an excellent fit for our system because of his lateral agility. fua is more of a two gap tackle,i dont believe in will play well in our system. GO LOOK AT THE INTERNET VIDEOS OF JENKINS AND THEN TELL ME HE CANT STOP THE RUN.He can be an excellent 1-technique bY the way Drake Nevis would be probally the best1 technique for us because of his amazing strenght and first step quickness.There is a difference bettween football strenght and gym strenght.
Internet videos.....
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST
by Bloodninja on Mar 19, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Internet videos.....
You dun goofed.
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST
by Bloodninja on Mar 19, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yay iPhone multiple replies.
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST
by Bloodninja on Mar 19, 2011 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nevis
nevis had some of his best games playing the 1-tech.He had a great game against florida playing primarly the 1-tech.I also think Liuget can play the 1-tech.
I think you’d find better value in a guy like Fua or Williams. Guys who we know can play 1-tech at the next level, not guys like Nevis or Liuget, who we aren’t sure about.
You guys are getting way too tied up about 1-tech and 3-tech DT's
Sure it’s nice to know what position they play, but if a 3-tech DT can stop the run, then he can play 1-tech DT.
The only problem with a guy like Fua is that he wouldn’t offer much pass rushing wise. That’s what I like about Stephen Paea and maybe Marvin Austin. They can stop the run, but they can also rush the passer and take pressure off of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 18, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give you Paea is better than Fua or Williams, but I wouldn’t touch Austin with a 10 foot pole. He’s got WAY too many work ethic and character issues to be a Colt.
And I disagree about a 3-tech being able to play 1-tech. They’re different jobs which demand different skills
You mean with a 39 and a half foot pole?
Austin doesn’t have that bad of character issues. He just messed up and has paid his penalty and is over it.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 19, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I felt like a 39 and a half foot pole would be overreacting.
I don’t trust a guy who has been out of football for a year and, more importantly, I don’t think the FO will either.
It's not like Austin hasn't been practicing and getting ready to play football.
I remember hearing that he played very well in the East West Shrine game. At least I think that’s what the game was…
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 19, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright so if it comes down to it and both Sands, Carter and Sash are available
Who should we pick and why ?
hahaha damnit, I always make those stupid errors, I think I have one of those diseases where you just forget to write shit that you want to.
by Joseph Kirby on Mar 20, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second I thought Session FF made the mistake...
ISW has returned!!! Lol just kidding Joseph Kirby.
by RamblinWreck7 on Mar 20, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST
by JesusNinja13 on Mar 20, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter
and depending on the board I’m not against Sash in the 2nd, I just really like Carter.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like the Colts to draft Roy Helu just for the Beatles jokes
Though ESPN will grind them into the dirt by week 2 if he does anything special.
Check out this guys mock draft.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=440667\
Hes got us taking Carimi in the first and Carter in the second..I am 150% sold on that.
Yummm
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by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST
by JesusNinja13 on Mar 21, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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