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Mel Kiper: Colts 'One Of The Worst Teams In The NFL Without Peyton Manning'

ESPN's 'On The Clock' crew, consistsing of Mike Tirico, Trent Dilfer, Chris Mortenson, and Mel Kiper, finally got around to talking about the Indianapolis Colts' draft needs for 2011 (thanks to Azrael1987 for posting it). Not surprisingly, they talked about the very things we fans have been pretty much screaming over for the last few years or so:

Colts need to draft a left tackle.

Colts need to draft a defensive tackle.

Rinse. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat.

But, there were other things that jumped out of the segment that, in general, annoyed me. They didn't annoy me because this particular crew said them, or because they were false or incorrect. They annoyed me because they rung true.

Dilfer, referring to the Colts: There's never been a team with more flaws covered up by the quarterback.

Kiper: But I think what you look at with this Indianapolis Colts team, where would they be without Peyton? Picking one, two, three, or four [overall]? Clearly. Trent, where would they be?

Dilfer: You're right. Definitely the top seven.

Kiper: They'd be one of the worst teams in the NFL without Peyton Manning, No. 18.

Dilfer: Yes.

We've heard this statement before from the likes of Ray Lewis. In general, the statement is true. I think we all agree that without Peyton Manning, this Colts team is dog meat.

Now, I take flak from apologists and people who, for whatever reason, lack the capacity to put two and two together on this subject, but that flak never bothers me. What bothers me is when people defend stupidity, or try to dance around it with excuse-making. Let's use logic here, and separate ourselves from all the BS that often gets fed to us by both the Indianapolis Colts and established media like ESPN.

If we all agree that the statements made by Kiper, Dilfer, and to an extent Ray Lewis are true, then why the hell hasn't Bill Polian been fired, like, YESTERDAY!

Star-divide

I mean, seriously. Stop for a second. THINK before you freak out and start making unsupported statements about my mother, a midget, and a $20-an-hour hotel.

Stop yourself for two seconds before you make a stupid, insulting comment in the fields below and, instead, ponder all this.

I'm giving you fair warning: If I see another silly comment from someone being 'mad' that we continue to ask this question in light of obvious truths and reasoned opinions (like the ones expressed in the recent ESPN clip) I'm just going to delete the comment and dismiss you as a troll. Again, fair warning. Freak outs on this subject will get you kicked out. We want critical thinkers here, not 'yes' people and apologists.

If the job of the multi-million dollar team president (or vice chairman, whatever his title is now) is to build a championship caliber football team, then how can anyone say Bill and his son Chris have justified their jobs when the team is, apparently, so bad that we're picking in the top five of the draft without Peyton Manning?

I'm not asking this because I want Bill Polian fired (though, I admit I wouldn't be upset if he was). This. Is. A. Legitimate. Question.

If we're that bad without Peyton (who is 35-years-old now, by the way), what the hell has Bill Polian been doing to improve this football team the last few years? Right now, the answer is, 'Not much.'

Now, I'm going to go back to ESPN's 'On The Clock' segment because, while it is full of simple generalities and stuff we kind of already know, what it does give us is some insight into how other people view this team. And, if you notice, lots of people agree with this notion that our Colts team SUCKS without Peyton Manning.

I remember having an argument with John Bena at MHR about this last year prior to the start of the 2010 season. Back then, I thought the notion was utter nonsense. Bill Polian was above criticism, or so I thought. John told me, 'This team is nothing without Peyton.' I responded, 'This team has Dwight Freeney and Kelvin Hayden and Gary Brackett and many other excellent players. They could make the playoffs without Peyton.' He kind of chuckled and told me I was full of it. I responded back, 'If the Colts are a 6-10 team without Peyton Manning, Bill Polian should be fired right now.'

Well, the 2010 season happened, and as we all saw, when Peyton struggled, the team collapsed in on itself. It was only when Peyton got his act back together after the Cowboys game that this team managed to make the playoffs. I mean, how many games did we see Peyton seemingly will the Colts to victory last year? Even the year prior, in 2009, Peyton carried that entire team. Without a consistent running game, a defense that can stop the run, and a pass rush outside of Freeney and Robert Mathis, Peyton wills this teams to more wins than any other quarterback... ever!

Meanwhile, high priced players that Bill Polian drafted like Kelvin Hayden, Bob Sanders, Donald Brown, and Ryan Diem all struggled last year (and the year before that too). A defense which the Colts had invested tons of money and cap space in 2010 was 24th in points allowed and surrendered 2,032 rushing yards. I know this is a broken record to some people. Sorry, it will continue to be unless something changes. Simply not writing about, or pretending it isn't there, isn't going to fix the problem.

And the problem has been the Polians awful drafting the last few years. The ESPN crew talked more about this:

Kiper: How about Donald Brown stepping up like a first round pick at running back should. Donald Brown out of Connecticut has not yet played at the level they thought he would when they made him a first round pick.

Tirico: If you think about it, Brown, Anthony Gonzalez out of Ohio State, [the Colts] had the most impeccable sheet of first round picks there, and those guys over the last few years not being as productive has really hurt the productivity of the offense and everybody around Manning.

Now, apologists will point to generic stats showing the Colts offensive numbers the last few years, indicating that points per game is still relatively on par, and that the Colts have won a gaggle of games since 2006. They even played in the Super Bowl in 2010.

I beg you not to buy into that simplistic, conformist nonsense.

We all know that Indy's success the work of Peyton Manning. He is just THAT great. While players like Dwight Freeney and Reggie Wayne certainly assist Peyton in this success (in their respective ways), the re-occurring meme from both media and players is that this Colts team is nothing without Peyton. And, as the ESPN crew insinuates (and as we have stated seemingly since March of last year) the reason this team simply isn't all that good without Peyton is because Bill Polian hasn't done his job very well recently.

If he did, you wouldn't be hearing people taking these kinds of shots at the team's overall talent.

Dilfer: We always talk about the Colts and injuries, right? You know who gets hurt in the NFL? Small-ish, lighter, not strong players. The type of player the Colts have been drafting for a long time. They've got to get bigger, stronger, thicker at every position. Less injuries. More dynamic at the point of attack. It needs to be a philosophy within the organization.

Now, you can ignore these criticisms. You can dismiss them. You can run to other bloggers and writers who will offer you comfort food in the form of misleading stats and nostalgia on the great teams of years past. They'll even sell you on the fraud that 'it was just injuries' that derailed our team last year.

Here, we don't do that, and we're happy many appreciate that in us.

So, when we see more and more established media finally coming around to the point we've been trumpeting since March 2010, we hope that gives some of you a bit of an understanding as to why we have been so harsh with management of late. This team isn't all that good. Take Manning away, and we're actually talking about drafting Patrick Peterson, or Von Miller, or maybe even Cam Newton this year!

We have a ton of money and draft picks wrapped up in BAD football players.

This is why this year's draft and this free agency off-season (which will hopefully start soon once a new CBA is established) is so critical for the Colts. Right now, as currently constructed, this is not a Super Bowl caliber team. And unless Indy is competing for a Super Bowl, there is simply no justification for their ticket prices, concession prices, taxes on the stadium, and overall hype within the community. With Peyton Manning as the QB, the expectation should be winning more rings. I mean, that's what the owner keeps telling us the expectation is.

But if that is indeed the expectation, why isn't the team better talent-wise?

I'll go back and re-quote ESPN's Paul Kuharsky on this, because he gives strong hints as to why our team isn't all that good. This is from late-November of last year [emphasis mine]:

I know Polian is really big on 'value.' And there's no doubt, defensive tackle and offensive tackle are two spots where he said, quite frankly, that where [the Colts] draft in the first round, the prime guys are gone. And you're not going to find a franchise left tackle or, you know, a huge defensive tackle at 28 or 30 or 32. And so, [the Colts] don't go there. Well, that's fine. Don't go there. But, you gotta get there in the second round, and you can't miss on Mike Pollak and Tony Ugoh.

Missing on top draft picks has killed this team of late. It's been the difference between us being a Super Bowl winner and a Super Bowl loser. It's a big reason why the club has been one-and-done in the playoffs three of the last four years.

Again, the hand-wringers and excuse-makers will say, 'Well, we could be the Cleveland Browns.' We were the Cleveland Browns... until Peyton Manning showed up. And if Peyton Manning were the QB of the Browns right now, they would be the Indianapolis Colts.

In the end, one person is responsible for this team winning: Peyton Manning. You'll notice that Peyton Manning isn't the guy paid to construct and build the team. He's not the one person who makes ALL the final personnel decisions. That title belongs to the 'vice chairman' of this club.

Again, dismiss this line of thinking all you want. Mock it at your peril here. Run to other sites and chat with apologists and simple-minded excuse-makers who will feed you bullsh*t served on a silver platter. Here, the stone cold, in-your-face logic of reality-based thinking reigns supreme, and that thinking goes something like this:

If the Colts are not a good team, then Bill Polian hasn't been doing his job. And if Bill Polian hasn't been doing his job, Jim Irsay should replace Bill Polian with someone who can. And that someone should NOT be Bill Polian's son, Chris.

This year is a big draft for the Polians and Mr. Irsay. They cannot afford to screw it up as they have done other drafts. If they do screw it up, next year this time, Irsay will have to answer more Twitter questions about Bill Polian's job security, and we'll see more booing of the team at home.

Also, take this to heart: We speculated yesterday as to why Peyton Manning didn't sign the contract Jim Irsay offered him before the players were locked out. It's entirely possible that Peyton might want certain guarantees in his contract regarding changes to the roster, management, or the coaches. Peyton isn't dumb. He knows this team isn't all that talented. He knows he carries it. This is why he presses when players like Dallas Clark go down with injury. He's also good friends with Trent Dilfer, the man in the ESPN clip saying the Colts suck without Big P.

It's possible that Manning didn't sign the deal because he knows this team isn't good, and perhaps there's another team out there he can win a ring with. He's not a spring chicken anymore, and I doubt he has any love or loyalty for Bill Polian. Think on that for a moment, and then tell me if you think Bill Polian should retain his job if Peyton Manning walks away.

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Good point

It seems as though it’s Polians fault that Tony Ugoh looked amazing in college ball and then failed to put forth the effort to peak his abilities in the NFL. It’s also his fault that Sanders and Gonzalez can’t stay off the IR and contribute for this team consistently. I’m not using that as an exclusive excuse in our shortcomings in the playoffs, but you can’t simply brush aside that fact when talking about our first round failures.

Don Brown is one pick that I am fairly disappointed in… It was kind of a shocker for me on draft day and his inability to really break off some killer games and show 1st RD draft pick capability is disturbing. But if we do have a great offseason and get the few pieces currently missing from our team (OL, S, DT) we have a super bowl caliber team. Last season, before all the sh*t hit the fan with injuries we were aboslutely a superbowl caliber team.

Our strength at the DE, LB, RB, WR, and CB positions can’t be denied.

This is a good write up BBS, but discounting certain parts of a possible counter argument makes it sound like insecurity with your arguments in one facet or another. For all of Polian’s “shortcomings” in 1st RD selections you cannot deny his ability to find hidden gems later in the draft or UDFA.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously?

Are you serious? All of the teams that you mentioned are better than the Colts on most fronts except for the position of QB.

by mkehoosier on Mar 24, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Facts and Fiction together

Facts:

1) Yes, Polian missed on Pollak and Ugoh

2) The trenches have had weaknesses, especially on the defensive side, and lack of quality D-line play exposes our LBs and secondary, which is above average but not great by any means. Yes, the organizational philosophy on defense, particularly, has to change. Greater D-line is more important than greater O-line. We have seen years where Manning has made a good O-line look great. He cannot however do that for the D-line, which has kept him on the sidelines long enough for all of us to know it

Fiction:

1) Manning did not sign contract because he felt his team is not good. Truth is, the uncertainty of the new CBA, where the new salary cap would be etc. would be why Manning has not signed a new contract. The fact that his team is not as good as others think is definitely not a reason. Don’t go Lebron James on Peyton, not buying.

2) Our draft position will be like the Pacers, in the middle of the road consistently and we would be a team like the Jags with our ups and downs, pick in the top 10 a few years, and pick in the top 20 the other few years. But with all the other talent assembled in guys like Wayne, Clark and Collie to maximize what Peyton can bring to the table, and given Polian’s track record on getting skill position players right, even if Peyton is not QB, I think Polian can assemble an offensive team better than a defensive team to win enough games to remain competitive to get into the playoffs every other year, if not every year.

by chad72 on Mar 24, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Actually, Peyton didn't sign a contract because

he doesn’t care about winning a championship in 2011. Don’t you read the front page?

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 24, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The man has a point

It’s on the internet — it’s gotta be true.

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST

by Bloodninja on Mar 24, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pacers?

I don’t think most of this audience is interested in a Colts / Pacers comparison.

by mkehoosier on Mar 24, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

It’s not like most people on here are from Indiana or anything.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The team has been constructed to make the best use of the funds available

This ‘if you took away Peyton’ hypothetical is absurd because the team has been built with a lower amount to spend on other parts precisely because we have a massive amount of salary tied up in a great QB.

If If you took Peyton off the team, you’d free up $20 million to make a bunch of other areas better.
I’d rather have Peyton.

by TheNoodleMan on Mar 24, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

You would have a point

You’d have a point if Peyton was the highest paid player on the team.

by mkehoosier on Mar 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Fail...

Thanks for playing

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by coltsfan723 on Mar 26, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 24, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

The productivity of 1 roster spot completely outweighs the other 52

by mkehoosier on Mar 24, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing postseason appearances and wins, regular season wins . . .

And that Super Bowl thingy you might have heard about, apparently it does.

Then again, the D and the running game carried the colts in the ‘07 playoffs and SB and have owned Baltimore in both SB runs, and the ’04 AFC Championship was lost because the Colts weren’t built to win when pass interference was suddenly suspended (though in ‘05 the D did completely fail to adjust to Heath Effing Miller, but that’s on the coaches, as was failing to give Edge 30 carries when he was feeling it), so the picture isn’t quite that simple.

Someone could have made the exact same argument about the ‘01 Ravens without Ray Lewis and it wouldn’t hold any more water or be any more relevant. Getting HoF-caliber play from anyone on a team is naturally going to have a pretty big effect on the team’s performance. If QB play can determine a team’s fate more than any other position (can, not necessarily does, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson), it would be expected that this effect would be even more amplified. I don’t see how a team could be any less than completely foolish not to put such a talent, if they were lucky enough to have one (or to have made a very good draft decision over some pretty loud objections), right at the center of all their personnel planning, including the matter of allocating their cap space).

Besides, with the exception of the Steve Young 49ers and maybe the early ‘80s Cowboys, how many teams wind up looking all that good once they lose an HoF player to retirement? Does that somehow invalidate everything the team did while greatness nestled its hands in the center’s sweet nether regions? I wouldn’t go that far.

None of this takes away from some valid points about how much a string of bad high-round picks can hurt a team, but this still seems more a matter of letting the terror of thinking about life after Peyton (it will send me into a Madden coma for days if I think about it) inspire borderline hysteria about the current weaknesses in the roster. Assuming Polian doesn’t have another hemorrhage like last year and suddenly decide to weaken the very unit he (unfairly) scapegoated for a disappointing finale, this team is still in pretty good shape. He really can’t be blamed for the gout outbreak (the goutbreak) that I expect to place the top 25 defensive players on the team on IR simultaneously just before week 8 this year, or the tornado that will sweep Addai into Kansas while he’s on his way to the game, or knee that Gonzo just blew out while I was thinking about him.

by NYCcolt on Mar 25, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s all calm down for just a minute, take a step back, get some fresh air, and try not to get hysterical.

Yes, this Colts team is, tops, 6-10 if Manning goes down. However, that is the nature of the way this team is built. We have been blessed with a quarterback whose unique skills, talents, and abilities allow us to make the playoffs, year after year after year, with players that get drafted at the bottom of their respective round, if at all.

Yes, missing on first round picks has been a distressing trend as of late. However, Ugoh and Pollack were highly regarded coming out of college, and no one thought ill of those picks then. So they haven’t quite panned out. Donald Brown has shown flashes of that game breaking ability he was drafted for, but he’s running behind one of the worst lines in football. There’s only so much he can do.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Mar 24, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

This

For good or for ill, the Colts organization, meaning Bill Polian, has elected to build this team around Manning. Recognizing that they had one of the top quarterbacks in the game, they chose to draft and sign players that played to his strengths: versatile receivers who can run the whole route tree and will usually be where they’re supposed to; multi-faceted running backs who can run inside, outside, catch, and block; Smaller, more agile lineman who excel pass-lbocking and zone-blocking. A defense that emphasizes deep coverage and the pass rush, not attempting to stop the opposition but to simply prevent them from scoring more points than their vaunted offense.

Bill Polian isn’t TRYING to make this a power-running play action balanced attack that runs heavy sets and out-muscle’s defenses. He’s not trying to build an aggresive defense that will A) take large risks and B) take lots of payroll to try and get 3 and outs on every series. The Colts spend a lot on players like Hayden, Sanders, and Freeney, but their defensive payroll and draft pick usage pales compared to teams like the Steelers, Bears, and Ravens.

Some teams, like my beloved Patriots, use their star quarterbacks as part of a balanced team, turning their attention to other areas because they know the passing game will take care of itself. The Pats know that they’ll have a strong, even occasionally dominant aerial attack without top-10 receivers and 10$ million dollar contracts (except for the QB). Instead, they can draft almost exclusively defense with their early picks for the last three years. Picks in the first two rounds since ’08? 8 defense, 2 offense. Say your favourite color is red, but you color a picture using only a little of it, so that it stands out better.

The Colts, on the other hand, their favourite color is blue. And Polian has elected to color with lots and lots of blue. He chooses to milk his star QB for all he’s worth. High risk high reward. When Manning is good, everything else falls into place. The receivers can run free all over the place, and when the defense is stretched thin those zone running plays are lethal. Then, with the offense scoring at will, the other team begins to panic, and those great defensive ends and safeties can start teeing off on their hapless opponent. But if the other team can manage to stop Manning, suddenly there are no holes in the running game, and the undersized defense gets worn down by bigger players right in their element.

So yes, when Manning is off, or god help you absent, the team falls apart. And when he’s on, the entire team works in such marvelous unison it’s a sight to behold. But this is because the team is designed to revolve around the play of the QB. This does NOT mean that Bill Polian has built a bad team. He has built a team that allows Manning to stretch his wings and stay in his comfort zone more than he would be able to on any other team in the league.

This also doesn’t mean that he’s better than Tom, he’s simply used more completely. Because of the drastically different circumstances I’ve given up on trying to compare the quarterbacks. But I think it would be hubris to overlook the autonomy that Manning gets on your team, and how perfectly the team plays to his strengths. For better or for worse, no team in history has invested their fates so completely in the success or failure of their quarterback.

by 108 on Mar 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Darn it

This is yet another Pats fan I agree with. Once (Comedic.Sans) is chance, twice (insertscreenname) is a coincidence), but three times is a trend. And you make exponentially more sense than the original post. Kudos to you sir.

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST

by Bloodninja on Mar 24, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My thoughts exactly.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 24, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody made bill polian draft undersized defensive players at almost every position. the colt’s soft undersized defense has always been the their achilles heel. who the hell builds a defense that way….especially in the bigger faster stronger steroids era?

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Mar 24, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smaller is faster

It’s true they’re undersized. But the Tampa-2 scheme that you’ve run for most of the last decade values speed over size. A smaller linebacker might have a little trouble getting off a block by a guard, but he’s faster at pursuing the ball carrier, and also presumably better in coverage. By redefining the role of each player in the defense, they find spots for players like Mathis (a 245 lb defensive end) and guys like Brackett (a 5’10 MLB). Guys that are cheaper than more conventional players at their position, but in this scheme presumably more effective. Fast undersized players fit the cover two perfectly.

Of course you could then question the validity of the cover two scheme, but like any scheme it has strengths and weaknesses. It’s strengths are limiting big plays and particularly defending the pass. Even in the running game, it struggles to stop small gains but actually rarely gives up long runs. I remember watching you guys play the Titans last season during Chris Johnson’s insane year, and between dozens of touches he couldn’t gain more than 6 yards or something all day.

The weakness of the Tampa 2 is if your opponent is patient and conservative, they can pretty reliably get short completions and inside runs and crawl steadily down the field. Also, because of how reliant the scheme is on speed, if your defense is on the field all day they’ll get gassed. So, referencing my above post, the Tampa 2 is in trouble in a low scoring game. If your offense gets a couple touchdowns before half time, the opponent will feel pressured to score, and will abandon the run / short passing game. In these situations, the defense excels. But if Peyton can’t score, and they run the ball 30 times, it’s going to hurt.

by 108 on Mar 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Alright, this whole Pats fans being the voice of logic and reason on SB

Is not cool….not… effing…. cool.

But great points nonetheless. I want to rec this but won’t specifically because of Tom Brady’s hair.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 25, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec'd it.

And felt a little guilty.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are plenty of rational Colts fans out there

I’m trying to provide an outsider’s perspective. Because of the way the team has been built, it does make it seem like Manning is the central cog, because he very much is. But the argument that Manning wins in spite of his teammates doesn’t sit well with me. For one, it’s a rationalization that Manning must therefore be better than Brady because the Patriots have shown the ability to win when Brady is off or absent (2008). But I think that instead of looking at it as Manning winning in spite of his team, I think he wins because his team is the perfect complement to his abilities. This is evidenced by his struggles when his supporting cast goes down. Losing Clark, Gonzalez, and Collie for long stretches of the season hurt the team, because the offense is designed to need competent skill position players. Losing Howard Mudd, the man behind those undersized lines, hurt the team, because without proper direction your agile, crafty linemen were ineffective. I also think Tom Moore is important, because even though Manning calls all the plays, Moore has designed an offense that gives him the perfect structure for his unparalleled intellect. Dungy played QB for Tom Moore in college and said it was a very QB friendly system.

Based on the number of recs my comments have received, I think Colts fans, even at SB, can be great critical thinkers. As a sports fan myself, it is often most difficult to think rationally about your own team. Your emotions get tangled up in your logic, and you try and use facts to support your perceptions instead of drawing conclusions objectively FROM the facts. When we lost to the Jets I wanted us to blow up the offense and start over, but thinking back that seems a bit extreme. Every year the fans of 31 teams are looking for answers, but sometimes you have to take a step back. Sure, there are always decisions you regret. Hindsight is 20/20. But You have to assess the thinking that went into the decision before you knew the outcome, not judge each decision BASED on the outcome.

by 108 on Mar 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

geez guy u like to type i give u that…..i don’t think any colts fan needs to hear regurgitated pluses and minuses of the cover 2 or more specifically the tampa 2. there have been plenty of cover 2 teams with adequate size…even dungy’s tampa bay team was big compared to the colts. i’m not opposed to some undersized players, but to be undersized at both de positions, dt, strong safety, and at least two of the lb positions is ridiculous.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Mar 26, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So don't comment unless we agree with you?

Sounds good, even though in reality, you want to piss off as many readers as you can.

Don’t bite on this one, guys. Don’t give him what he wants (angry comments and page hits).

by Naptime! on Mar 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You make me sad on the inside.

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by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I enjoy coming to SB, reading the articles, interacting with other Colts fans and writing the occasional Fanpost so I'm just gonna agree with what you say from now on.
Peyton isn’t dumb.

Yeah, I’m with you there. By any statistical analysis Peyton isn’t dumb.

As we’ve often tried to convey to all of you, right now people like Peyton, Jeff Saturday, and Robert Mathis do not care about the Colts championship chances in 2011. Their single goal is a better CBA for their union. Nothing else.

I disagreed with you yesterday but now I am forced to see the light.

Listen, Jim Irsay is no dummy. He knows that the reason Manning didn’t sign the agreement was because of the labor standoff.

Yep, true dat.

It’s possible that Manning didn’t sign the deal because he knows this team isn’t good, and perhaps there’s another team out there he can win a ring with.

Yes, entirely possible, nothing suggests it, but yes it is 100% absolutely possible.

Here, the stone cold, in-your-face logic of reality-based thinking reigns supreme, and that thinking goes something like this:

If the Colts are not a good team, then Bill Polian hasn’t been doing his job. And if Bill Polian hasn’t been doing his job, Jim Irsay should replace Bill Polian with someone who can. And that someone should NOT be Bill Polian’s son, Chris.

Well, one cannot argue with “stone cold, in-your-face logic of reality-based thinking”. I’m in. Ready to sign the fire the Polian’s petition.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   4 recs

Do you think the President should lose his job

if Russians and Cubans parachute from the sky and take over the midwest?

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 24, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We're screwed if that happens again, Patrick Swayze is dead and Charlie Sheen is all but dead.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A remake is due out this year.

(Or next year, if you are Ram.)

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's next year, because it hasn't happened yet

But it’s this year, because it’s part of this year.

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST

by Bloodninja on Mar 24, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what they say is true, the Colts would be pretty garbage if you took Peyton out and put a league average QB in. The scheme would just unravel.

But that is because the team has been built around his strengths to maximize them. Without Peyton, they don’t splurge and take Gonzo with that pick, or Donald Brown. For 10 years they have been picking players to spoil Peyton with skill talent so the scheme works, while exploiting gaps in other teams needs to build a defense that can stop offenses trying to keep up with ours. If you have a league average QB, you make picks completely different.

by Eltoasto on Mar 24, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

If I weren't scared shitless to disagree, I'd make a point like this.
But that is because the team has been built around his strengths to maximize them.

Sorry dude this doesn’t jive with stone cold, in-your-face logic of reality-based thinking, so you are wrong.

JMO

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Built?

In what way is this team built? Our ST is bottom of the league. Our run D sucks. Our Oline has been awful for years. I’d love to understand this master plan in which you so strongly believe.

by mkehoosier on Mar 24, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Oline has been awful for years?

Yeah like 1. 2 max.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, maybe 1 or 2 years

You people are overreacting to a 10-6 SEASON!!! Think about ridiculous that sounds, especially if you are old enough to remember the Paul Justin years!

This team has flaws, but so does every other team. I dont agree with all of Polian’s decisions but if he didnt draft Peyton THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS AND LUCAS OIL STADIUM WOULDN’T EXIST!!! The LA Colts would be the cellar dwellars of the AFC West

by bigpony on Mar 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spin it all you like

You’ve wanted Polian fired for years, despite the fact that he is a talent evaluating genius. Do you realize how hard it is to find top level talent when you are always picking last?

by metal_militia on Mar 24, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

I don't think it has been years

Just one year, two months, and 28 days.

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST

by Bloodninja on Mar 24, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

deys*

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 24, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Genius?

Have you seen the guys he’s drafted the last few years?

by mkehoosier on Mar 24, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know Collie Angerer, Conner, Moala, Powers, mcafee, Tamme, Garcon.

You should come hang out in the OTs. We have some good debates.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if Painter was starting

I think it depends on who replaced Peyton at QB and whether you are talking about the Colts as they were by the end of the season, or the Colts as they appear now or at the beginning of last season. If they’d played last season with the same injuries and Curtis Painter at QB, then they probably would be picking in the top 5. But put an average NFL starter with a receiving corp that includes Dallas Clark and Austin Collie in addition to Wayne and Garcon, and the rest of the Colts, and I think you have a playoff contender. Put an average QB in with the injuries the Colts had last year, or Painter with the starters, and I’d estimate around 6-7 wins.

Peyton is the best QB ever, but no one player can be the difference between a bottom-5 team and a team that compiles the kind of record the Colts have over the last decade. For example, Dan Marino only won 10 or more games 6 times in his 17 year career, Peyton’s done it 11 times in 13 years, including averaging 12 wins over the last 8 years. And Marino had Don Shula as his coach and a team that went to the Super Bowl the year before he joined them. Manning’s better than Marino, but he’s not by that much.

by ex-Viking fan on Mar 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Excellent points.

I must say, Colts fans are some of the most level headed, logical fans around. Seriously, great comments everyone. You all get cookies.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of cookies?

Don’t forget the diabetics. Low tolerance for sugar. Give them prunes.

And I’d like to trade my cookie in for a turducken.

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 3:31 PM PST

by Bloodninja on Mar 24, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said anything about cookies.

That’s your opinion. Try backing it up next time with facts.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like cookies. Can I have refried beans?

by moocow on Mar 24, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, refried beans for everyone!

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have bacon

"I really don’t want to offend you, Bob, but I don’t read your column, I really don’t," - Peyton Manning

by 88steve on Mar 25, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that's a good point.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

BACON AND REFRIED BEAN COOKIES FOR EVERYONE!!!

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No but dey getz da page hitz.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the kind of drama I used to dump girlfriends for...

Pure overreaction. I’ve got a news-flash, the Patriot team that is considered one of if not the best collection of players in NFL history missed the playoffs without Tom Brady.

Even if the Colts had more quality throughout the rest of the team (a never injured Bob Sanders if you will), if Peyton goes down, they’re lost and probably miss the playoffs. This team is focused around Peyton Manning and the pass rush on the other side of the ball. You could also go ahead and say if Mathis and Freeney are gone the Colts are dog meat as well. When you have a player of Mannings caliber, all you can do is try to develop a game plan that is all about him and lets him influence the game in every way possible. It’s a high-risk high-reward scenario.

The last few years the draft picks haven’t been great and maybe it is time for something fresh from the front office. That may mean making a change, but not necessarily. Also, it’s BS that you think if things remain status quo the Colts should drop prices. They’ll drop prices when people stop paying, and it’s going to take a while for that to happen.

"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy

by Mark Olson on Mar 24, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Well said.

Rec’d for reccing almost every comment on here.

Let the voice of the fans be heard.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I recced for reccing the uberreccer.

by moocow on Mar 24, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

downvoting the article

You’re in effect reccing against BBS point without arguing against it.

“The Colts are shit without #18”

“The Colts are built around the greatest QB in history”

They also have 1 championship in his 12 year career.

I’d love to agree with you if only you’d made an argument.

by mkehoosier on Mar 25, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He made a great point. His argument is every one here made great points.

Its a great argument, that why is has so many recs.

Plus he wrote a great fanpost completely tearing the article apart.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to win a superbowl. Damn near everything has to go your way.

Polian gives us a good shot at going all the way each and every year. That’s all a sane fan can ask for. It feels redundant to keep saying that over and over again but it’s not going to start being less true. Playoffs = crapshoot. Take a look at the matchups and results in the playoffs for the last 10 years and you should be able to come to that realization. You might want to start with New Orleans v. Seattle.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i would just add that MOST teams would be picking in the top 10 in the draft without their stating QB.

TN Sports fan in Hoosier Country....

by Evanbio on Mar 25, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zactly.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

53 players + coaching staff + management = team

You’re wrong as ever, BBS. I feel sorry for you and your extra lame fan-experience if you really believe that

by caldwellmotivatesME on Mar 24, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jesus fucking christ.

Tired of defending it. I’m done. Out.

Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.

by Ben Savage on Mar 24, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

It's a bad thing when the readers of a blog are the only voice of reason left

Is there any way to take a vote of mutiny or anything? It seems fairly clear that anyone would write better articles (which would also include original material that they constructed) with much less anti-Polian slanted content.

Please…….

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Part of me agrees.

Polian is great with late round picks and udfa’s but hasn’t been lighting the world on fire in the first few rounds where you have the most top level talent. Maybe we need better scouting or something else that I have no idea what it is. Somebody needs to work a little harder.

Also, enough with the “Bill Polian drafted Peyton Manning.” If he hadn’t taken him, the Chargers would have. And if they didn’t the next team would have. So on and so forth. No brainer. It’s not like he plucked him out of the sixth round like TAWM BRADY.

by beckmania on Mar 24, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

But Polian did make the choice of Manning over Leaf

Where Leaf was projected by several experts as being chosen by Indy. He was touted nearly as highly as Manning was. You could definitely argue that it was somewhat of a coin flip, but he definitely made the right choice there.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manning over Leaf

It’s worth noting that the guy who took Leaf, Bobby Beathard, was considered by many back then to be one of THE best GMs in football. He helped build seven Super Bowl teams, including the 1972 Miami Dolphins and the championship Redskins teams of the 1980s.

In general, Beathard was considered better than Polian, and there was ample evidence to back that up. Heck, there STILL is. Beathard’s teams won championships. Polian’s haven’t.

Beathard retired from football in 2000.

In any case, the Manning v. Leaf thing was a no-brainer. Manning was clearly better. Everyone knew it, safe the draft gurus who were in love with Leaf’s arm.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.

by Brad Wells on Mar 24, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha, you can't even give Polian credit for drafting Manning.

I think you just made the argument for Polian by comparing him to Beathard.

And here’s an article from last fall about the top NFL GMs, I wonder who’s at the top of the list?

I’m old enough to remember the 1998 draft, Manning over Leaf wasn’t a no-brainer. It was for Polian though, cause he’s a stud talent evaluater.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Polian

He ‘was’ a stud talent evaluator.

I’m happy to give Bill Polian tons of credit for drafting Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, and Dwight Freeney. However, those players were drafted over nine years ago. Recently, his draft credits include Tony Ugoh, Donald Brown, and Jerry Hughes. All are busts (or quickly becoming busts). Polian hasn’t drafted a consistent and reliable Colts starter in the first round since 2006 (Joseph Addai).

That statement is not my opinion, NCO. That’s a fact.

Based off that, it’s a reach to say he is still a ‘stud’ talent evaluator. He’s missed on four first rounders in a row. ‘Studs’ don’t miss with that kind of consistency.

But, again, we’ve been arguing this thing in circles. You clearly think people like me and everyone else who writes these articles are nuts, despite the facts we place before you. At some point, you either need to move on to another place where your view on things is better accepted, or stop trying to lash out whenever someone like me, or Matt, or Collin, calls out the obvious when it comes to Bill Polian. Like Broncos fans did with Mike Shanahan, you are living off past glories with Polian, and this is the NFL (aka, Not For Long). Produce or die. Recently, Polian has not produced. He has not been picking quality talent, which is what he is paid a lot of money to do.

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by Brad Wells on Mar 25, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

First round is not all there is.

I like Polian based on what he’s done, past and present. Bringing in Tryon, Drafting Angerer, Conner, etc. And I only consider him “missing” on 2 first round picks: Brown and Hughes, both of which have time to develop yet.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My views are pretty well accepted by the community here at SB.

Ugoh was a bust.

Gonzo due to injuries hasn’t had a chance. That really sucks but can’t blame the Polianator for it.

Brown and Hughes have disappointed and I see how you can believe they are bust but I think it’s still too early to make that judgement. The drafts have been solid the last four years due to Polian’s ability to find players anywhere in the draft.

I love this site, love the other Colts fans and love the opportunity SBN grants me to have my voice heard.

Go Colts and try your best to win the 2011 Super Bowl, I know you will.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Besides I didn’t say ‘evaluator’ which means “one who examines and judges carefully; appraises.”

I said Polian is a stud ‘evaluater’ which means “one who drafts studs like Collie, Garcon, Angerer, Conner, Tamme, Moala, Session, Mathis, Bethea…”

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright BBS

Let’s end this Hughes and Brown bust talk right here.

Hughes, did you expect him to play behind two pro bowlers? Hughes is a 3rd down pass rusher, but wait, so are our two pro bowlers… So wait wait a second, do we want 2 pro bowlers rushing the QB on 3rd down, or Hughes… I mean wow, he couldn’t beat out two pro bowlers, he must really suck. Because you have to come here as a pro bowler or better. As for why we drafted, go back to the SB. Our whole D is build around a pash rush. Once Freeney got hurt, our D sucked. Hughes is our project and replacement. I agree with the pick, the only thing you’re basing the idea off that he’s a bust is he didn’t register a sack at like 2 snaps a game… Or he isn’t a great run defender, because Freeney and Mathis make their money off run game support right? Or that he couldn’t beat out 2 healthy pro bowlers for meaningful playing time. You can say any rookie DE you want had good stats. Majority of them had the chance to START and PLAY. And of course their stats were better, I’m pretty sure they wern’t drafted behind two pro bowlers, so the job was a lot more open and they got playing time. This bust thing is rediculous, stop. It’s pointless, unless you can refute what I said and prove to me he is a bust.

Stop with Donald Brown is a bust. This is amazing that you let yourself have such an obvious double standard. You CONSTANTLY say that our OL completely sucks, and that it’s killing our run game. BUT, you also say Brown has underpreformed. Do you think there is any chance at all that these two things might just possibly be related? Addai gets a free pass, why? His numbers haven’t been steller since ‘07, yet he isn’t concidered a bust. His low numbers are due to the bad OL right? DOUBLE STANDARD, can’t go both ways. Since it’s common knowledge that we don’t have an OL, and great OL’s can make bad RBs look good (Ben Jarvis Green Ellis, Ricky Williams, ect.) and bad OLs can make good RBs look bad (Addai, Forte, and probably Lynch). You either pick Brown to blame, or you pick the OL for the running game. Saying he’s “underpreformed” or he’s a bust, when you admit the OL completely sucks at run blocking, is a double standard, and it’s not very well thought out.

To answer your questions if Brown is even good or can even break tackles, I’ll give you links I’ll bet you ignore.

http://www.18to88.com/2011-archives/march/can-don-brown-do-the-job.html

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/24/elusive-rating-2010/

Highlights because I doubt you’ll read them. Brown was statistically one of the best pass catching RBs in the league. He had a high % of success when he got the ball in his hands. He also got about 75% of his yards after contact. What does this mean? He one, breaks a lot of tackes. He two, gets hit, a lot. You very well saw what happened with him once he had an OL, Jacksonville… He killed them, there shouldn’t be any worries that he can run or catch. He doesn’t ever fumble, no one mentions that. His pass blocking, is sub par, but so is Legarret Blount’s, and Ray Rice, and CJ2K. Are they busts too?

I know you are reading these, I didn’t insult you and was completely logical. Respond since you claim you want critical thinkers. We’ll have a logical debate, right here. I showed how two very important legs your logic that Bill Pollan needs to be fired, are groundless. Show me how I’m wrong.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 25, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh.

Hughes has been disappointing. He should have played more regardless. Even Special teams.

Brown has under performed. His YPC is far worse than anyone else on the roster, except James. He doesn’t come anywhere near passing the eye test. But, I agree that neither of those can be considered busts, because of reasons you said, but mostly because they both only have 1 and 2 years of experience.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't spoil all the fun until my article...

During the last 2 games our 14-2 year, Brown got most of the carries. But we can all agree that he was with back up OL and it wasn’t going to work out. We can’t blame him there. We take out those stats, and his overall stats for ’09 is 59 carries, 263 yards, and roughly a 4.46 YPC. He did fine that year if you take out garbage time.

This year, we blame his YPC on him. He had a 3.9, Addai 4.3. Bulk of his yards came when our OL was at it’s best, NYG, WAS, and that’s it. The rest of his games were garbage if you look purely at stats. Brown got most of the middle of the season, when our OL was playing the worst, and we played tough run D’s. Chargers (4th), Pats (11th), Texans (13th), and Eagles (15th). He didn’t have the easiest run.

Not everyone plays special teams, not always their thing. The fact that he didn’t get a sack on the 2 meaningfull snaps he gets on passing downs a game shouldn’t be a shock. A lot of it is setting up your opponet to bull rush or speed rush them. You don’t get to know their weak spots or anything like that, or get an idea what works against him.

Like I said, 2 pro bowlers, he probably wasn’t going to get much meaningful time unless one of them got hurt…

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 25, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah. He sucks.

MANNING MAKES EVERYBODY GOOD!

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chalk me up for one who didn't.

For one I loved Harbaugh and never wanted to get rid of him. Then I was enamored with Leaf and his RPG of an arm. But then again I was a dumb 15 yr old who didn’t know shit about shit. So we can safely conclude that Polian is smarter than 15 yr olds.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And pretty much everyone else.

Including everyone on this blog.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know it.

Just felt like replying for the hell of it.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was a dumb 15 yr old too when they drafted manning

i was torn who i thought they should draft, but then my wandering mind would think about naked chicks

"Are you f*cking kidding me???"

by danorocks17 on Mar 25, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How is this *not* green?

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Mar 26, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate that Peter King said it but:

Here’s something else Leaf might not believe: The weight of opinion in the NFL now says that Tennessee quarterback Peyton Manning is the clear choice, ahead of Leaf, as the No. 1 pick in the draft, which will be held on April 18 and 19. In the wake of a meteoric Rose Bowl season that sent his pro stock soaring, Leaf became a sort of joint entry with Manning. Discussion of one player rarely passed without mention of the other. There was little doubt that Manning and Leaf would be the top two draft picks; the issue was which would be selected by the Indianapolis Colts, who will choose first, and which would end up with the San Diego Chargers, who have the second selection.

But in the view of a six-man blue-ribbon panel that analyzed game tapes of the players for SI, Leaf doesn’t rank as high as Manning. Each expert was asked: If you had to pick one of these players, whom would you take? With different degrees of conviction, each said Manning. Three said they would be shocked if the Colts didn’t select him.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012545/index.htm#ixzz1HZ4AOO5C

by beckmania on Mar 24, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

From the same article.
That’s no guarantee that Manning will turn out to be the better pro quarterback, of course. Simms went four slots after Jack Thompson 1979. Jim McMahon went one pick lower than Art Schlichter in 1982. Dan Marino went 20 selections after Todd Blackledge in 1983. What does seem reasonably certain is that, warts and all, both Manning and Leaf should develop into at least good NFL starters. After two drafts in which no quarterback was picked in the top 25, that’s generating genuine excitement.

Most of (not all) “experts” ranked PM higher, but as the article says that doesn’t guarantee the higher rated QB with be better. The experts all thought Leaf would be good NFL starter. They we’re wrong and if Peyton wasn’t the GFQTWHESINTHOEF. They could easily have been wrong about him as well.

The fact that Leaf flopped only accentuates the fact Polian made the right pick and not to give credit where credit is due is dis-genuine at best.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

And the super-bowl winning TEAM in 2006 wasn’t just Peyton willing the team to victory. That was an altogether great team put together by a great GM. Sanders, Bethea, Brackett, Addai, Wayne, Saturday, and Clark are all amazing players brought in by Polian to fit a vision of success.

Now that we’ve had a few injury plagued years which led to us being forced to utilize depth that we never thought we would have to Polian’s head deserved to be put on a stake and posted outside of Lucas Oil. I disagree wholeheartedly with this view.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree.

I’ll give Polian credit for making the obvious choice and not doing something stupid.

To be fair, I’m not a Polian hater but you don’t get a ton of credit for making a choice that every other GM probably would’ve made. Leaf was a consolation prize that turned out to be a pretty shitty one.

Edge is a much better example if you want to point to Polian making a great pick. That took people by surprise and was an example of him evaluating talent that not everybody saw.

The Freeny pick is a great example too.

Or Saturday, Bullit, and all the late round picks and UFA’s. Just don’t think Peyton is the best case you can make for Bill.

by beckmania on Mar 27, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We build around Peyton

So he can shine and become the best with people around him. Nothing wrong with that.

Why is it that we condemn Brown for his lackluster RAW numbers, but yet we all know that you can’t run with OL yet we place all the blame on him, not the OL? Do you know that Brown was in the top 10 in the league for yards after contact? 5th I believe, about 3/4th of his yards came after contact. And he was almost the best recieving RB in the league. His raw numbers suck, yes. But seriously, why do we condemn him when we mention him, and not take into consideration that our OL sucks? But when we talk about our OL, we only talk about how they suck, but nothing about how they’re holding Brown back?

I’m in the middle of writing a defence of Brown article. I highly encourage you to read it, so we can stop this Brown is a bust thing. He’s behind Addai, and he has a crap OL. He’s not the best pass blocker, but seriously, did anyone see him in the open field? He’s fast, and he can make people miss when he gets space. The fact he’s beating out the assumed best in the league in broken tackles, should show us that he is being held back by our OL. Brown is not a bust, not even close.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm one that doesn't think Brown is a bust

But I also don’t think he’s played like a first round selection should yet. The fact that he plays behind Addai is a good point to make also… We are a very pass heavy team and Addai is far and away the better pass blocker, therefore lending to Addai getting more snaps.

Brown has shown glimpses of what could be and I can’t wait to see him fully realized with a tougher Oline blocking for him.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that

He is like 5th in broken tackles, we should be freaking happy since he didn’t play every game. He’s dangerous in the open field, he just needs more playing time and decent OL. We saw what he can do when he does have a good OL (jax game)

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the wrong style of back.

He was the UCONN offense. Never caught passes, never had to block, just took the hand-off and ran forward. That’s why I thought he wouldn’t be a good pick for the pats or the Colts.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what Polian had in mind was having Brown be that kind of back for us though

We already have an incredible pass block/ pass catching back in Addai. Adding Brown to pound it and run the stretch play very well made sense to give us a 1-2 punch at RB.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't write him off yet

Wait til the Brown article comes out tomorrow. He’s not the best pass blocker, but a lot of RBs aren’t. He’s dangerous in the open field.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be a pretty good runner if there was any O-line.

Just didn’t fit in an offense that throws it 50 times a game.

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by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

No idea why everyone is freaking out. We all admit we have a terrible OL, but we slam Brown because he isn’t doing anything. That’s where it gets me, it’s a double standard.

Great OLs can make bad RBs look great. Ricky Williams is a perfect example of this, look at the numbers below.

Bad OLs can mask RBs true potential. Brown is very talented, but no OL and is in a 2 RB system with a pass happy team. When he did have an OL (JAX), he was a beast. He destroyed them, completely. If he had the Pats OL, he might be a pro bowler.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's what I was saying

He seemed more of a complimentary back to Addai.

Granted, a complimentary back could have, in all probability, been had in later rounds… we got him when we got him. And now I begin my new annual tradition of telling everyone “This is the year Brown rips it off… He’s going to tear it up”

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown was one of the best recieving RBs this year

Here’s the thing on elusiveness. Jarvis Green isn’t that good.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/24/elusive-rating-2010/

Here’s the recieving #’s

http://www.18to88.com/2011-archives/march/can-don-brown-do-the-job.html

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Brown's a better receiver than Addai?

Or did he just get the plays, because Addai was out half the year?

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

# of plays

Weren’t a factor. Purely on snaps taken, and effectiveness of those snaps. Brown is a better reciever and open runner, easily.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably a better runner with the ball, no argument.

But as a receiver/shotgun back, he’s not going to do well, because I doubt Peyton has confidence in him. It might be the blocking, the route-running, whatever. But Addai has Manning’s confidence.
Receiving can mean different things though. Maybe they used Brown on more HB screens, so he’s going to get the catch and get 10 yards. Maybe Addai was wheeled out more, and because he’s not as good a runner as Brown, only got past one guy for a 5 yard gain.

I’d have Addai in over Brown if I had to throw it. Purely on blocking. If it were more balanced, I might go Brown.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it Donald!

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Pats fan,

I went HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA

great move by the DE though.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a below average blocker

Addai can block and is all around a great back. He won’t break a 70 yard TD run, but he’ll get the first down, catch the ball if it’s thrown to him, can block really well, and has a nose for the endzone.

Brown, is not a good blocker. He now tries to get in their way, he stall some, but not as good as Addai. He can break a long run or pass anytime, and is a huge screen and recieving threat. I did not notice many screens for either RBs, our screen game sucks, so they stopped after awhile. If he had a good OL, and a run heavy team, there is little doubt in my mind he wouldn’t be a star. I would have confidence in him as a starter for the whole season, if we were a run heavy team. Addai can block, but isn’t as explosive or as good of a route runner. Brown can get open, will break some long runs and passes, but might kill you in the run game. All about preference, but Brown is not even close to a bust, only if you look foolishly purely at the raw numbers.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so sick of this argument

If we “build around Peyton” he would have a fucking OLine

by mkehoosier on Mar 25, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow strong language.

Diem got old fast and most likely is gone.

Pollak really came on strong when he won the starting job back. It clicked for him.

As Charlie and Saturday’s health improved their play improved.

Lilja was released due to possible injury issues, not until after he received a roster bonus, cause the Colts are a class act top to bottom. He had a great year so that sucked but DeVan wasn’t a significant dropoff.

The line really came together at the end of the season. Not to say we don’t need to improve but it was not as bad as advertised.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it's the opposite.

Because Peyton doesn’t need a whole lot of time to get rid of the ball, the O-line doesn’t have to be superb. Just adequate.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Polian stays for even a minute once Peyton retires.

He’d sprint into Irsay’s office to hand in his resignation.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on Mar 24, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

If Peyton retires in 15 or 16 years it might behoove Irsay to sell the team before Polian can even think of resigning..

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all fairness if Peyton doesn't retire for 15 he will own the Colts.

Like he owns the rest of the League…BOOyah!!!

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ye-BURNT!

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 24, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

NoCuddle

While your here, sorry, haven’t started much on the article. Been busy, will be done tomorrow and will then send it to you.

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

No worries. Whenever.

Just glad to help.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 24, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

Will do

"CLOSE THE DOOR!!'
"I walked around with a piece of bologna in my pants for two days just so I could have my own little secret" Peyton Manning, both from SNL

by Candlebox on Mar 24, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hypocrites

Your non-stop attacks on BBS are actually more laughable and much worse than his opinions on BP. You slam him for his continuing dislike of our ageing, arrogant, ineffective calamity of a GM who is living off the glories of one draft pick, not realising you are doing exactly the same thing as the crimes your are accusing him of.

Only it’s twenty against one every time, just like the playground bully you guys all worship.

I really wish it was just Polian’s drafting that was bad.

by braveheartcolt on Mar 25, 2011 2:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And now you are attacking us for attack BBS for attacking Polian...Just kidding.

The purpose of SBN is to give the fans a voice. We are expressing our disagreement with his assertions. And we get to have a debate about it. Cool huh?

And just because I haven’t said it in awhile…Go Colts!

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

When we disagree, we state our disagreement.

And why. We don’t disagree because he doesn’t like Polian. It’s because every piece has an anti-Polian slant, and for a fan, his tendency to write anti-management pieces are quite irritating.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I generally don't attack BBS.

Only his abstract and immensely flawed logic. It’s possible to hate someone’s opinions without hating the person. See I can’t stand arguments that are presented in such a way that they can only be refuted by similarly formed rhetoric. It’s moronic and inane and clever all at the same time. No matter how much I want to smash ignorance to the depths of hell I cannot bring myself to join in the merry-go-round of circular logic: If my mom had a dick she’d be my dad. If my mom is my dad then who is my mom? This kind of shit makes my head want to explode.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for awesomeness.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate it.

Hey, you’re still here! I thought you might be gonezo by now.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why does everyone keep thinking I'm gonna be banned?

I got ISW’s secret immunity power when I forced him to destroy his account.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My bad. I thought you were the one who wrote that reply post

to BBS’ fact-filled article on what the Colts would be like without Peyton. I forget things sometimes…when I don’t take my pills.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

JN13 ban in 5...4...3...

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys didn't see the lightning, and all ISW's powers flow into me when he self-banned himself?

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm actually surprised they said the Colts would go 6-10 at best.

I’ve always thought they would win 3 games at most without #18.

by SoCalHoosier on Mar 25, 2011 3:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Trolling in all forms.

"It's an easy game, man. Easy game."
~Edgerrin James

by 87 Rides A Surfboard on Mar 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know...

the usual.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colts one of the worst if Painter starts...

I agree that the Colts would be one of the worst teams if Curtis Painter were starting. I think it’s more a reflection of our backupQB situation than it is of the talent around Peyton Manning. If the back up was someone like Jeff Garcia, Charlie Batch, Jon Kitna…the colts are more middle of the pack if Peyton goes down. The exact same thing can be said about the Saints if Brees goes down.

by beerbrunch on Mar 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

And Packers, and

Chargers and Cowboys and Patriots any team with an elite QB.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drafting

I know we don’t agree on everythng but when you can’t stop the run and you draft Donald Brown instead of Rey Maualuga you got issues. This teams ineptitude defensively is reflected in drafting Hughes in the first round who isn’t nearly the player Mathis is now or likely will be who was a late 4th round 5th round pick. Did anyone notice how Brock got to the quarterback last year playing defensive end for the Seahawks in the playoffs? Instead we “utilize” him as a defensive tackle on pass rushing downs. And why is Keyunta Dawson on the team again? Is he a special teams player?

How come the Colts can find Tyson Clabo as an undrafted free agent who they sign off waivers, invite him to camp and cut him, then he goes to Atlanta and is one of the prized Left tackles in this years free agent market for his physicality @ Left Tackle??? Because the Colts offensive line theory on utilizing players is flawed. I hope Tony Ugoh, and Mike Pollak are able to realize there potential along with Peyton Manning for another team because this administration has wasted one of the greatest resources in football history in Peyton.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Regarding Brock, we have Freeney and Mathis.

I’d rather have them in on passing downs than Brock.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

@ Jesus,

The team drafted Hughes because Irsay was outspoken about needing a 3rd pass rusher to compliment F&M. That Hughes pick could have been used in other ways

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

I didn’t really like the Hughes pick, although I see why it was made. I would have rather seen it be an OT. but I think it’s early to say what his career will be like. And Mathis was a steal in the 5th round. That doesn’t mean any 4/5th rounder would be that good. Most wouldn’t.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

Its early but to an extent this defense is in transition with a new coordinator so i guess we’ll see. Drafting Angerer and Connor who got playing time while Hughes watched didn’t bode well though. This team has philosophical flaws defensively and they have to address Left Tackle and Defensive Tackle. For my money with a little film study Angerer is as good as Brackett maybe better and this draft is deep at both positions. I personally don’t like it when you draft a Jacques Mcclendon weighing 324 lbs. and he has to lose 20 lbs to play for your team. You don’t pick up 3rd and short and Jaimie Thomas never plays while the OG rotation is unsettled. I’m starting to wonder if they know what there doing.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

LT DT AND SS are the Colts major needs.

Thank the Lord Hughes didn’t have to step up and fill in for injured players like Angerer and Conner.

Who did you want to draft instead of Hughes?

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really can’t remember who was there but i don’t think he’s first round worthy as a pass rusher only.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most people had him ranked in the first round, or early second.

The Colts picking him was highly praised by most experts.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Including the experts at SB.

Hughes was considered a mid to late 1st round pick.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why doesn’t he play on our defense??? I’m not saying he isn’t a good fit. But we needed a 3rd pass rusher and he didn’t DO THAT. I mean for a first round pick that’s not asking alot.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calm down dude.

You will be singing a different tune after his 2nd year jump.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the fact that our DE's were healthy all year played into that.

Not to say this year wasn’t disappointing, but it’s a little early to proclaim him a bust.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had one of our stud DE went down that "pass rusher only" would have been worth a 1st round pick.

And when Mathis isn’t resigned Hughes will get his day in the sun. I’m thinking of that “3 year window out of the box stuff” here.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 year window???

This is a championship caliber team with hall of fame qb. You needed a 3rd pass rusher thats it and he didn’t even play

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he doesn't play this year you have a point.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can get a pass rusher only in the 3rd round and beyond. In the first round we don’t draft tweeners who don’t set foot on the field. Especially our defense. We wanna play favoritism instead of the best players. Angerer, Session are those good players. Brackett is a coach on the field and Dawson a special teams player are Polian favorites like Charlie Johnson and Ryan Lilja was.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We got Freeney in the first round.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t just compare hughes to freeney did you? Simply cuz they were both 1st round DE’s?

by lakecountycolt on Mar 26, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patrick Robinson CB FSU help us cover NO wideouts
Brian Price DT UCLA

by lakecountycolt on Mar 26, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the teams defensive philosophy is flawed necessarily.

It can be quite good, but this year the injury bug hit us. Even so the defense wasn’t awful. The defense is great when the offense is clicking and we’re playing with a lead.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that the defensive philosophy is necessarily flawed but the current coordinator clearly wants to blitz more. Why can’t Mathis be re signed? He’s the most dynamic player this defense has.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like Mathis to be resigned.

Personally.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fear he will be a cap casualty.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's going to want a big check come time for it

Same with Reggie. They both already showed some displeasure with their respective contracts by dodging last season’s OTAs. I know they don’t really need them to be effective (obviously) but they were definitely trying to relay a message.

Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF

by coltsjunkie44 on Mar 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Mathis leaves it’s gonna be interesting watching him get off Peyton Manning come 3rd down. Mathis is a truly gifted player cuz he could linebacker and still go to a Pro Bowl i think. What happened to the plan of using Hughes and Mathis together??? If we wanna blitz linebackers you wanna keep that together but Polian will look at the budget.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 26, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who? Saffold?

He fit the Rams system, and to their surprise could play LT for them. Not sure if he’d be as good in our system and after watching him play a few games I don’t believe he would be much of an upgrade over CJ.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened with Toudouze?

Did anybody remember the Charger game a few years ago i think a monday night game. Charlie Johnson got hurt trying to block roided up Merriman who put CJ on ice skates with his bullrush. Toudouze came in at LT for him and pretty much manned up. Madden called that game. It was the last time i remember Toudouze getting significant time.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

He's still on the roster...

but he hasn’t played in forever.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

phlosophy

He’s never been a Howard Mudd player. During the Mudd era Polian would wait until the 5th round to draft a guard or take an undrafted tackle to convert to OT. It doesn’t get you acrossed the goal line. The offensive line is also in transition with Metzelaars.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Polian has drafted

5 guards before the 5th round, 4 in the 5th round, and 4 after the 5th round. He has drafted 4 tackles.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burlsworth R.I.P.
Pollak
Mcclendon
Scott?? tackle
???

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

what guards were taken before the 5th?

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gandy probably another tap dancing teddy bear.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guards before 5th:

Burlsworth
Sciullo
Gandy
Pollak
McClendon

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot Scuillo, i just wanna root for a football team whose “threat of the run” isn’t an actual run play if you know what i mean. Run with conviction. Nobody wants to see Manning resemble the Marino led Dolphin teams. We won the SB in large part cuz we went into Baltimore and ran it down those guys throats in a snow storm.

by lakecountycolt on Mar 26, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is about time

Great article,this is the best summary of why we are in the mess that we are.I think we are further away from winning a SB now than in the last ten years.My incentive to comment on this site is due to thr incredible overrating of talent that appears here.It seems few people have the insight to distinguish between players who determine the winning and losing of games and players who are just solid players.There is a difference.We have no players under the age of 30 who are difference makers.Period.Yet fans think we do.A. Bethea,K. Hayden,Gary B.,Fila M.orJ. powers are not difference makers.Solid at times but not players that you build a team around.I don’t think this is even debateable anymore.I’m hoping that this offseason that Bill P.and company will see the error of their ways and change the business plan under which they have been operating during the PM era.Indicators will be whether they will sign a big and risky free agent like Albert H.to bolster that D-lineor potentially trade up for a stud in the top ten of the draft. I think all moves going forward should be seen through a 3 year window,which is what I think PM has left

by zeus3 on Mar 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Haynesworth is not under 30 or a player you build around.

I fail to see your comparison. Players that you “build around” are very few and far between. So, again, I fail to see what you are getting at.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the point

I understand AH is over 30.We have 3 years left of PM to win aSB.Albert H.will impact the winning of these big games more than anyone you draft this year.I t is agamble.When you are in the situation the Colts are in ,you hav e to gamble.I don’t care what happens after PM retires.We will be a bad team.We will have to rebuild from scratch.The future is NOW.You have to think outside the box

by zeus3 on Mar 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I care what happens while PM is here and what happens if in 15 or 16 years he retires.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you're complaining that the Colts don't have young "build around" players.

AH doesn’t fit that mold. I’d rather take much better “gambles” than AH.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

I don't know who bacon is.
by Indyshockwave on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Players to watch in upcoming draft

1. Phil Taylor
2. DeMarco Murray
3. Any Left Tackle with a first round grade
4. Dontay Moch
5. Marcus Cannon
6. Orlando Franklin
7. Joe Lefeged
8.Marvin Austin
9. Stephen Paea
10. Darell Scott

And where will Ryan Mallett land??

by lakecountycolt on Mar 25, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

and why are we taking ESPN's opinions as gospel??

Mel Kiper is the “genius” who blasted the Colts for taking Marshall Faulk over Dilfer! And Dilfer says something ridiculous every Sunday during the season (there are so many things that i cant think of anything specific right now). These guys are morons. Now they say our team is pathetic except for Peyton so they must be right???

C’mon man!

by bigpony on Mar 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

In case you didn’t know already, Mel Kiper is a douche bag…However, from a substance standpoint (ie, does this guy actually know what he’s talking about?), Kiper is a moron. Actually, if you think about it, we really are the morons. We continue to listen to what this greasy-haired nobody thinks about college players even though we all know deep down that he’s full of it.

Kiper is an expert when you want to use his words to make ridiculous assertions but a whole lot of other words when you don’t like what he says.

So on the 18th day God created the Quarter Back, and his name is Peyton Manning. And thank the Lord he plays for the Polianapolis Colts.
"Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Potter Stewart
Again, just my opinion. - The Oracle at Delphi.

by NoCuddleOffense on Mar 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mel Kiper is a tool, he looks like that Canadian diplomat from the South Park movie

I’m glad they(ESPN) brought in another couple guys to argue agaisnt him…I was really sick of hearing just HIS opinion all the time. Plus the NFL Network has their own gurus…

Personally I try to avoid ESPN as much as possible, especially when it comes to opinons, they are basically all in lockstep over there at the 4 letter network

by dezznutz1001 on Mar 25, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

 kiper ripped the colts for taking the immortal trev alberts instead of dilfer. dilfter is a moron? i don’t know the guy’s IQ, but i guarantee he knows 100x more football than anyone on this board. troy aikman has said pretty much said the same thing about the colts.

by BLOODontheTRACKS on Mar 26, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a bad article

Im sure going to the playoff almost every year and being routinely called a premier franchise in which many many people model after makes for a bad GM

I guess in a way BP is kindof like you. He’s washed up.

by DrMustache on Mar 25, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree we'd be picking 1st if Curtis Painter was QB.

Yet, if we had an average QB we could be a 5 or 6 win team. With an elite QB we could be a playoff contender. But as everyone else has said, the reason we would be dog shit w/o Manning is b/c the entire team is built around Manning.

"Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it" - Dr. Dre

by P0RKINS2 on Mar 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Which do you prefer?

I enjoy White Widow but I’ve had to settle for Train Wreck lately…

"Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it" - Dr. Dre

by P0RKINS2 on Mar 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

242 comments 2 rec's

Quantity over Quality with this article.

I dunno BBS, it hard for me to argue against BP, even with considering what i would call some recent draft misses, and a stubborness by him to change some of their philosophies we see as flawed, Undersized D-Lineman…but when this team is clciking on all cylinders the philosphy works great.

I grew up an hour from Detroit, so I KNOW what a piss poor GM is, and Polian just isnt one of them. Stubborn, Arrogant, yeah maybe a lil, but he builds team for small markets that can compete with the big boys

by dezznutz1001 on Mar 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Hypothetically speaking...

Let me first say that of course we’d be a lot worse without Peyton Manning. (Imagine the Broncos without Elway, or the Dolphins without Marino.) That’s a no-brainer… BUT, the whole arguement is a little far-fetched because you have to make too many assumptions.
  For one, you’re assuming that all our post-Manning pics would stay the same but we wouldn’t have Manning. That just wouldn’t have happened that way because that’s like buying the bullets before the gun. If it had gone that way then Polian would have been fired and your article (and my two cents) never gets written.
  Another assumption you’re making is that if we didn’t have Peyton, we’d only have Curtis Painter. That’s a bogus assumption too because we have to assume that at some point in the last decade the Polians would have picked up a QB a little better than Painter.
  When Tarik decided to take off early, the Colts were stuck with having to start a guy who rocked in college and then lost his fire when he found out just how good everybody in the NFL was and how hard it was going to be for him to continue his great play. That kind of behavior is really hard to predict.
  We could “what if” ourselves to death. It’s much easier to deal in reality. In my opinion, this whole conversation is being sparked by the fact that the Colts’ have steadfastly refused to pick up better offensive linemen and interior defensive linemen. If our lines improve even marginally, Peyton looks better (take a second to ponder that…), our running game looks much better, our D looks much better and I think we’re easily a Super Bowl team.

by NFLFan83 on Mar 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I see...

You say ‘whining is not informative, entertaining or very attractive in adults’ then spend about 200 words whining about people who whine about Polian? Nice stuff their old fella.

And again, Polian has been successful because of Manning, and most bloggers on here would have drafted him. Simples.

by braveheartcolt on Mar 27, 2011 2:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

OK.....

I’m so sorry if I offended you. I really don’t know what I was thinking. Please accept my full and unreserved apology.

Oh, and Polian is a true genius….

by braveheartcolt on Mar 27, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Polian was successful before manning.

"I suppose that writers should, in a way, feel flattered by the censorship laws. They show a primitive fear and dread at the fearful magic of print." - John Mortimer

by JesusNinja13 on Mar 27, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

*slowly stands and claps

well done, sir. Well done. You get a rec.

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by coltsfan723 on Mar 27, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thought I'd check in to see what was new at Stampede Blue

Somehow, I think this fire Bill Polian meme is tired, uncool, uninteresting and irrelevant.

Polian is one of the best ever, and the Colts are one of the best teams in the league, year in and year out, mainly because Polian built the team around Peyton Manning and continues to get great talent without the expense of superstar first rounders. If you don’t get this, you have no business covering the Colts.

-- Life is to short to take everything serious. Especially sports blogs.

by indymike on Mar 27, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Let's not forget

I’m reading a lot of comments expressing the viewpoint that the Colts were a Superbowl contender before the injuries. We’ll never know for sure, but do people not remember the beat down the Colts took in the 3rd preseason game when we were playing our starters against Green Bay. That’s when we were at full strength and we got it handed to us. That was against the Superbowl champion, who by the way was just as decimated with injuries. I don’t want to hear the injuries crap, all teams had injuries. The difference is the top teams in the league are much, much more talented top to bottom then we are. I give Dilfer’s comments on the correlation between small, fast players and injuries a lot of credit. Look at the top teams across the board and they are all strong at the point of attack (defensive and offensive lines) and solid on special teams. Polian can have his philosphy but it will continue to hold the team (i.e. Manning) back. He seems to pick better in the early to mid sections of the rounds so hopefully he can break his streak. Get stronger!!

by Blue Hoosier on Mar 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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