Who the Colts Should Draft? 2.0
by Andy246 on Apr 24, 2011 12:04 AM EDT
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Who the Colts Should Draft? (Round by Round Analysis)
Round 1: Derek Sherrod - OT - Mississippi State
Bill Polian made it clear that he wants to fix up the offensive line. Last year's offensive line was one of the worst O-lines in NFL. With that being said, why not draft one of the best Offensive tackles in this year's draft. Charlie Johnson is definitely not an elite starting blind-side blocker, and it would be good to give this guy a shot. Throughout the last couple of years, it shows that a good blind-side blocker not only makes a difference in the passing game, but also in the running game. If given the chance, he will be a great starter and if you want to start by rebuilding the offensive line, you got to start with Derek Sherrod. Derek Sherrod is also considered to be the most NFL ready tackle in draft, and we could use a big impact immediately.
Round 2: Kenrick Ellis - DT - Hampton
Now let's go to the other side of the line: the defensive side. Drake Nevis is another possibility, but Ellis fits our system better. Kenrick Ellis is a big defensive tackle at 345 pounds, and specializes at run stopping. He could really be good with Dan Muir or Antonio Johnson. I really would like to have a big guy in there. I'm not saying he's like Suh, but look at the difference the Lions defense was with Suh. It shows how big a defensive tackle could be, and what impact he has on a team. A big guy could really help out run defense, and with Mathis and Freeney on the outside, I expect the team to do very well on the D-line if we make this pick.
Round 3: Marcus Gilchrist - CB - Clemson
We do have some depth in cornerback position, but our starters are somewhat weak. Kelvin Hayden could go at any time because of his big contract, and Jerraud Powers is not the greatest starter, but a better backup. Cornelius Brown and Kevin Thomas' spot on the team is in jeopardy, and this guy, in my opinion, is better than Jacob Lacey. He could either add depth, or be a very competent starter. It's a great pickup, and could be very useful on pass defense. He is very quick, but lacks in the tackling department, but time will fix that. It's a risk, but this kid has a ton of potential and that's what the Colts like.
Round 4:- John Moffit - OG - Wisconsin
The Colts aren't exactly looking for a starter, because if we pick a tackle in either of the first 2 rounds, the Colts will probably move Charlie Johnson to left guard. If Charlie does move, that leaves Pollak and Devan fighting for that right guard spot, with only Richard to back up Johnson. There has also been a lot of speculation that the Colts might move big guard Jacques McClendon to the center spot, to back up Jeff Saturday. If there's an injury in our offensive line, it will be good to have a guy like Moffit jump in there. He has experience and he is a pretty big guy. I think that this could be a good pick to add some depth to the guard spot.
Round 5: Greg McElroy - QB - Alabama
With Peyton Manning turning 35 in March, it's time to start developing some good backups, and why not start with McElroy. Greg McElroy scored a 48 (out of 50) on the Wonderlic, which is a near perfect score. With that being said, Peyton Manning will have a much easier time teaching this guy all the plays. I believe that being very smart can take you a long way, because he can learn a lot of plays, and even though he's not the greatest quarterback, but he'll have around 5-7 years to fix that with some of the best in the business with Ron Turner, Clyde Christenson and Jim Caldwell. Some of his college stats are: 5691 yards, 39 touchdowns, only 10 interceptions, and 66% completion percentage.
Round 6: Ronald Johnson - WR - USC
After having a horrendous year returning kicks, it's time for the Colts to find a good, reliable returner. Johnson is a very underrated kick returner, because of his underrated speed and his ability to return kicks to the house. He has 1 punt return for a touchdown, and does not return kicks, but if given the opportunity he will. This shows that he can also be our starting kick returner on top of being our starting punt returner. The really scary thing about Ronald is that he is a very good receiver on top of being a great returner. His stats are as follows: in 4 years (1 as starter, 2 as backup, 1 mostly because of injuries) he has 138 catches for 1750 yards, with 20 touchdowns. His best year was by far last year with 64 catches for 692 yards with a whooping 8 touchdowns. I believe that he will slide until the 6th round and it would be a great addition if the Colts draft him.
Round 7: Traded to Redskins for Justin Tryon
Colts trade their pick to the Redskins.
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sherrod is the only one that i see the colts taking and i doubt that
1-2: Great
3: Reach, I too have Gilchrist on the board, but his value is his versatility. In none of the positions he played, did he show 3rd round value. In round 4, he would be great though.
4. Not very athletic, there are good run blockers with much more speed and quickness and injury history and are better pass protectors too. They can be had later too.
5-6. OK
Thank you!
When I read the part of the post about powers I thought, “uhhhhh… Are there two powers’ on the team?” Powers is indeed THE MAN!
I thought it was a good pick/overall draft though.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Apr 24, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got some issues
1: I’ve become more and more leery of Sherrod the more tape I watch. Outside of Costanzo and Carimi, there are not first round LTs I see worth taking. If those two are gone, I honestly think Polian trades the pick and parlays it into an additional second rounder and possibly another pick in the fourth or fifth rounds
2: Reach for Ellis and I’m not enamored with him. I think he’s too big and too unathletic to fit in our system. I think Ian Williams and Sione Fua offer better value for run down DTs later in the draft.
3: I think you’re undervaluing the CB position. It’s honestly one of the strongest on our team. Powers is a Pro-Bowl caliber CB and even though Hayden isn’t playing up to that contract he’s a starting-caliber CB. Tryon proved to be a huge asset and could easily push Hayden for a starting spot. Lacey is a good dimeback and Brown offers a little bit of emergency depth. I’d say that’s a solid group. We do need some help in the backfield, but it’s at strong safety, not cornerback.
4: Moffitt may fall into the fourth, but he’s likely a third rounder
5: We have too many holes to fill to draft a backup QB. Painter is fine for that role. Everyone knows if Peyton goes down the Colts’ season is over because the Colts’ built their offensive system around Peyton’s ability to read a defense and make adjustments at the line.
6: Every year people complain about the returner when it’s obvious that’s not the problem. The Colts’ special teams woes aren’t due to a poor returner but due to poor blocking by the coverage unit. Fix the blocking first. Don’t put the cart before the horse.
I'd hardly say Lacey is good.......
There was a fan post here on stampede blue a while back, it was a link to an article, (I’d have to look it up for you) and it had the best and worst cornerbacks of the NFL 09-10; Lacey was on the list for being one of the worst in the NFL both years.
Oh I remember the article, but I think it lacked perspective. Lacey played well during his rookie outing when he was asked to play nickle or dime back. Lacey has the athletic ability and cover skills to run with those kinds of recievers. Last season he was asked to play a #1 or #2 role where he is not suited. As it stands, Lacey is a dimeback in the rotation and that’s a pretty good spot for him. He’s already under contract and we’ve got solid CB depth. There really isn’t any need to use a pick on a CB when there are so many other holes to fill.
by TrueBlue87 on Apr 24, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a undrafted player.
We scored pretty good based on what he has given us. If we use him for what he is suited for, which is a nickle and dime back who can start if pressed, we have a good player. I do think he was overrated his first season and still took a step back. It’s time for the mental aspect to come up a few notches though.
by strandedincarolina on Apr 24, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, he was overrated his first year. As far as an undrafted player he is decent at best, I think Brown can give take his spot IF he progresses. I would like to see Thomas next year as well. All this being said we have depth at the corner position, so like TrueBlue said we shouldn’t take any CB’s in the third, and instead focus on a safety.
I agree, he was overrated his first year. As far as an undrafted player he is decent at best, I think Brown can take his spot IF he progresses. I would like to see Thomas next year as well. All this being said we have depth at the corner position, so like TrueBlue said we shouldn’t take any CB’s in the third, and instead focus on a safety.
Lacey is really solid as a dimeback
He can definitely cover pretty much any team’s number 4 receiver in those situations. I really like our CB squad.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Apr 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
If we can replace Sanders then we will have a great secondary next year.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 25, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty close to what I'd do
Gilchrist is actually the top-rated safety on my draft board. And safety is the second highest need for the colts in my book. I’d consider taking Gilchrist in the 3rd and going back and getting a Chris Prosinski (Wyoming) or a Colin Jones (TCU) in the 5th.
I would be very happy if Colts this draft
1) Sherrod- Good
2) Ellis- Really need a run stopping and hold the line of scrimmage w/ 2 blockers.
TrueBlue 87 said it well, is too big and not athletic enough. Too big is exactly what we need. We have had fast, athletic, and small DT’s for 5 years and we have seen the results of the penetrating gap defense line.
4)Moffit- Have watched many Wisconsin games, and like this bruiser.
I agree with the part about Ellis
We need a BIG tackle.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Apr 24, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be upset if we took Sherrod at 22.
1. I’m not blown away by anyone, but he is actually at the bottom of my list for potential first rounders. If we take him, it should be because we traded down.
2. The off the field issue bother me as well as him being raw. I would rather see Nevis, Paea (dreamin I know), There are a couple of guard, tackle an recievers that could fall here. I really think that this is where you take the best available player in a position of need. So other than QB, RB, K, P, anyone is fair game. I have a feeling this pick will be a safety, which would probably be a reach.
3. With the depth here there are a lot of options. WR, DE, DT, and OT should all be deep enough to get someone here. If we don’t have a safety by know, it’s time to really look.
4. History seems to suggest a interior lineman here. I wouldn’t mind seeing a developmental player who has a ceiling.
5,6. Take what you can get. At this point, nobody really has a clue outside scouting departments. I don’t value a KR with the rule changes. A QB to push Painter wouldn’t bother me.
by strandedincarolina on Apr 24, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Your the 1st colts fan I've ever seen who's sold Jerrard Powers short.
Powers could make the Pro Bowl next year if healthy.
2 Cents
An interesting post. i’m a litte leery of Kenrick Ellis, due to scheme fit problems ( not a
penetrator ) and his off-the-field issues ( ‘unspecified multiple rules violations’ ).
Polian likely faces a tough choice in round 1, and those who say he will trade down may
be right. He has to get value or trade down. Going in, the Colts have three glaring needs:
LOT, DT, SS. After that, they also need help at ROT. Since Colts management has stated
that they are considering all FA’s as ‘gone’ for the purposes of this draft, next up in need
is RB. A developmental WR and C/G will also be considered. If they get all that with only
six picks I will be happy.
With the 22nd pick, if Castonzo is stil there, the choice is easy. I do not expeck him to be
there. If Carimi is there, you have value, but at RT. His footwork and agility are marginal
for a LT. I don’t believe you spend such a high pick for a RT if you have glaring needs
elsewhere. Sherrod should be there, and he has good physical tools and technique,
but not outstanding in run blocking. There is also some concern about his mental toughness. Not really a value here. If Carimi was still there, Polian might consider
swapping picks with Chicago, and picking up their 4th rounder. Chicago needs a RT.
There is a good chance Sherrod is still available at Chicago’s pick. This may be the
way to go, but there is another possibility. There is a 50-50 chance Corey Liuget is
still there at 22. Is his value enough to abandon the trade-down? Let’s see what the
two alternative drafts might look like:
A: Trade-Down
1- LOT Derek Sherrod ( Chicago’s pick )
2- SS Quinton Carter
3-DT Jerrel Powe
4a- ROT Derek Newton
4b- RB Dion Lewis
5- WR Kris Durham
6- G David Arkin
B-Sick with value at 22:
1-DT Corey Liuget
2-SS Quinton Carter
3-ROT Marcus Gilbert
4-RB Delone Carter
5-WR Kris Durham
6-G David Arkin
Choice B would give you more value per pick, would solve the No. 2 need, but not
the No. 1
Choice A would have a 50-50 chance of solving needs 1 and 2, but give you an extra
pick.
Would you prefer to gamble a bit ( A ), or settle for solving one of our top two needs?
I am waiting to see how far Bowers, Quinn and Watt fall, for this will be the determining
factor in the availability of Castonzo. Those teams that might take a LT early ( Detroit,
Dallas, New England ), could be tempted to take the DE’s due to their value.
by Ufansince65 on Apr 25, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Apr 25, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't actually rec it
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Apr 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Major problem with the Quintin Carter pick
Carter has all the intangibles, it’s true. However, many great college safeties fail to make an impact in the pros because of a lack of measurables – specifically, speed. Carter failed to run better than a 4.62 forty, which practically takes him off my draft board. (He’s actually on my board, but much later than he’ll be selected by another team). The first safety on my board is Marcus Gilchrist, and he played CB for Clemson last year. Unfortunately for us, the SSs that will be available to us are mid- to late-round developmental guys: Joe Lefeged (Rutgers), Chris Prosinski (Wyoming), Colin Jones (TCU), DeJon Gomes (Nebraska), or Mana Silva (Hawai’i). In my mocks, I’m penciling in one of those guys in the 5th, and maybe picking up Gilchrist as a versatile guy earlier on (if I can work him in)…
I don't know...
I have 4.62 as his official combine time, but sometimes those who report the times average out their two or three runs and sometimes they report the lowest time. It can get a little confusing, but there’s a clear difference between Carter and a Legefed who ran a 4.42 forty at the combine.
I do agree that when we get into the 4.6's then that's a little too slow.
But a 4.55 would be alright if he speeds up just a little bit.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 26, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
After Further Review
I agree with you about Carter. I had only done research at four different draft sites.
Although there is debate about his fourty time ( 4.52 all the way to 4.68 ), it is marginal.
The bigger problem is his stiffness in changing direction and problems with matching up
with faster recievers. He now looks to me like a 3rd or even 4th rounder. Therefore, as
you indicate, we probably won’t go safety in the second round; more likely OL if we get
Lieuget in the 1st.
Usually safeties are not asked to cover receivers.
Maybe on an all out LB blitz or corner blitz a safety would have to cover a receiver. I wasn’t able to watch many colts games, but I don’t remember Bob Sanders covering receivers that often, if at all.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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