Breaking News: Colts are the 3rd best drafting team in NFL
Certain pundits have argued that the Colts FAILURE to win the Super Bowl the last four years has been attributed to Bill Polian's poor drafting record. Getting to the playoffs for 8 straight seasons, but winning only 1 Super Bowl has been an unmitigated disaster. Forget that only one of 32 teams wins the championship every year.
Bay Area Comcast Sports recently published a five-year study evaluating the best drafting teams of the last five years (2006-2010). The Indianapolis Colts were ranked the third best drafting team during this time period.
3. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
Number of picks: 41
Still on team: 28
Starters: 9
Best pick: S Antoine Bethea, 2006
Worst pick: OT Tony Ugoh, 2007
Overall: In the past five years, the Colts' first selections came at Nos. 31, 27, 59, 32 and 30. Yet, the Colts have done an admirable good job of adding talent and depth to a team that already had championship-caliber nucleus. The Colts have managed to achieve success in the sixth round, with the additions of two-time Pro Bowl safety Antoine Bethea, receiver Pierre Garcon and starting left tackle Charlie Johnson. Their lone early swing-and-miss was Ugoh, chosen No. 42 overall in 2007. He was cut before last season.
This is a solid evaluation of the totality of drafts. Instead of pointing at some of the misses (Ugoh/DonBrown), it looks at every round. The Colts get more starters and contributors through the draft than the majority of NFL teams. This is especially impressive considering the Colts consistently draft in the bottom five picks of the draft.
The Green Bay Packers and New Orleans Saints ranked 1 and 2 respectively.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.
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We’ll promote this in an article tomorrow (thanks Toronto!), but I cannot help but make this critique: I don’t know how accurate this study really is. If all you are evaluating is number of picks, how many are still on the team, and how many are starters, then absolutely the Colts are going to come out looking good.
What isn’t discussed here in this study is whether or not those starters, or the picks still on the team, are GOOD.
I mean, Mike Pollak is still a starter. Does he seriously count as an example of the Colts ‘drafting well?’ Left out of this study is what these players produced for the team in relation to where they were drafted and the expectations. The sample size is also HEAVILY slanted due to 2006 being included. That was a great draft for the Colts (Joseph Addai, Charlie Johnson, Antoine Bethea). From 2007 to now, the draft classes haven’t been so great.
That said, recced for finding this. Thanks for posting.
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That's true
It doesn’t seem to evaluate the quality of starters and back-ups still on the team. It does a good job of illustrating the average success rate of draft picks. The Colts have been able to replenish their roster through the draft more efficiently than most teams.
An objective source is showing that the draft needs to be judged in totality.
As for 2006 being a bit of an outlier, I’m not so sure. Addai and Bethea were two studs from that draft, and Charlie Johnson is solid for a 6th rounder but 2007-2010 has also provided quality and depth.
2007- Gonzalez (Great but injury prone), Ugoh (Bust), Session (4th Round Starter). The rest: Special Teams
2008- Pollack (Replacement level Guard), Wheeler (Spot Starter), Tamme (Admirable 2010 Starter), Garcon (Boom or Bust Starter). The Rest: Santi, Hart and Justice provided depth as late rounders.
2009- Don Brown (Still waiting for him breakout), Moala (Decent 2nd Year, Starter), Powers (Stud 3rd Rounder), Collie (Stud 4th Rounder), McAfee (League Average Punter) The Rest: Meh, but Great draft overall.
2010- Hughes (Need Alot More), Angerer (Solid Injury Replacement, Starter), Kevin Thomas (Freak Injury, Need big things in comeback year), Eldridge (Solid Contributer, Blocker in Double TE sets), Kavell Connor (Huge Injury Replacement in 2010)
by torontocoltsfan on Apr 4, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
There was a fanpost about this a while back.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 4, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick response
This evaluation is a bit more brutal:
2006- Addai, Bethea, and CJ are all very reliable starters. Two of them are Pro Bowlers. A truly excellent draft.
2007- Gonzo (never consistent, chronically injured), Ugoh (bust), Dante Hughes (gone after three years, never started), Brannon Condren (gone after one year), Clint Session (reliable starter who is likely gone this season), Roy Hall (hardly ever played), Keyunta Dawson (horrible reserve tackle and semi-decent reserve end with zero pass rushing skills). Only one starter emerged from this group, and he was a linebacker (a position the Colts turnover pretty regularly). A truly awful draft class, especially when you factor in that the Colts do not spend money on veteran free agents.
2008- Pollak (a terrible starting offensive guard, has no business starting anywhere), Philip Wheeler (lost his starting job multiple times), Jacob Tamme (excellent special teamer and reserve TE), Marcus Howard (gone after one year), Tom Santi (reserve, gone after two years), Pierre Garcon (excellent value pick) and Jamey Richard (occasional starter who consistently stinks at his job). Only one real starter from this draft class, and that’s Garcon. I don’t count Pollak because calling Pollak are starting-caliber guard is a big stretch.
2009- Donald Brown (never a starter, unless injury to Addai; lost his reserve job to Dominic Rhodes late in 2010 season; now little more thna team’s third or fourth RB), Fili Moala (starter, but hasn’t been very productive), Jerraud Powers (starter, excellent pick), Austin Collie (we should consider him a starter, and he was an excellent pick), Terrance Taylor (didn’t make 53-man roster that year, awful pick), Curtis Painter (HA!), Jamie Thomas (never started, hardly ever seen the field), and Pat McAfee (excellent pick, new punter and kickoff man). Unlike the last two draft classes, Powers, Collie, and McAfee provide excellent production as starters. Moala isn’t anything worth celebrating, and Brown close to being another first round bust. If not for this draft class, which is very heavily flawed considered the lack of production from top picks Brown and Moala, the Colts are likely not a playoff team.
2010- Hughes (So far, terrible pick, 6 total tackles for a DE in 2010 cannot be justified or defended), Pat Angerer (decent back-up), Kevin Thomas (injury prone in college, got hurt in his first practice; so far, completely wasted pick), Jacques McClendon (never saw the field in 2010), Brody Eldridge (solid blocking TE, reserve), Ricardo Mathews (semi-decent reserve tackle), and Kavell Conner (intriguing potential starter). The only potential starter we may have out of this group is Conner, a 7th rounder, who will likely replace Session (drafted only five years ago). That’s poor value overall, especially when picks 1-4 are not starting caliber players. And yes, Pat Angerer is NOT a starter. He’s a middle linebacker, and Indy already has a ton of brad invested in Gary Brackett. Angerer is not a reliable starter at SAM or WILL. If he were, our run defense would have been better.
So, in five drafts, the Colts have managed to only gain seven true starters, a couple guys on the fence (Conner, Moala), and a few other players who are starting because the area is just THAT devoid of real talent (Pollak). Take 2006 out of the equation, and only four true starters have emerged in the last four drafts.
Meanwhile, the rest of the starters on the roster were drafted prior to 2006, or were players who went undrafted.
Manning- 1998
Wayne- 2001
Clark- 2003
DeVan- undrafted, signed 2009
Saturday- undrafted, signed 1999
Diem- 2001
Freeney- 2002
Muir- undrafted, signed 2008
Mathis- 2003
Hagler- 2005
Hayden- 2005
Bullitt- undrafted, signed 2007
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FYI
My quick response wasn’t so quick. :)
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
I think this is a bit harsh...
2006 & 2009 were fantastic drafts. Where would this team be without Addai (our only talented RB), CJ (our only talented Lineman), Bethea (a Pro-Bowl safety), Moala (our best DT who is rapidly improving), Jerraud Powers (our best CB), Austin Collie (a Pro-Bowl calibur WR), & Pat McAfee (punter)?
2007 & 2008 were disappointing drafts. It’s well documented that Tony Ugoh, Mike Pollak, & Philip Wheeler were draft-day busts. But at the very least, we’ve added some talent in Pierre Garcon (look at what he’s done in big games – and tell me we reach the SB without his playoff play in 2009), Jacob Tamme (tell me we reach the playoffs in 2010 without him stepping up), & Clint Session (a play-making LB).
It’s also unfortunate for Bill Polian that 2 of his 1st rounders have suffered from constant injuries. Neither Donald Brown nor Anthony Gonzalez had serious injury concerns coming out of college, so you can’t really hold that against Polian’s draft credibility.
2010 is way too soon to grade. Polian could look like a genius if Jerry Hughes turns out to be the next Robert Mathis/Dwight Freeney; or could look like an idiot if he never pans out. Best case scenario?? We have an elite pass rusher, 2 starting LB’s, a starting CB, and a starting OG – obviously that would be a fantastic draft. At the very least, we’ve added at least one starting LB, added depth to the CB & OG positions while hopefully adding our DE successor.
All that considering we’ve never picked higher than 27 – and I’d say Polian’s done a very good job. Top 3 in the league? Maybe not. But you’re holding him to incredibly high standards if you’re seriously calling for his job because of our last 5 draft classes.
by kmbryant09 on Apr 5, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is Pat McCafee any good?
He doesn’t kick it very far and has a lower average.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 5, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa.
Now I don’t agree with you a bit. Philip Wheeler is one of our better linebackers, when supported by decent DT play.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 5, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?!?!?!
By all accounts, he’s terrible. I’ve never liked him, and I’ve never come across another Colts’ fan that liked him. He’s probably the 5th best LB on the team.
Why isn't Pat Angerer terrible?
Or Kavell Conner? It’s not like they played great either. I fail to see your point…
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 5, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think this was necessary...
Pat Angerer didn’t really play until week 6. From that point forward, he had 82 tackles, 1 sack & 1 FF in 11 games (7.5 tackles/game). Rookie or not, those are impressive numbers – especially considering he was asked to play BOTH MLB & OLB.
Kavell Conner (a 7th round rookie) was injured early in the season, and didn’t see significant time until Week 10. From that point forward, he had 52 tackles, 1 FF in 8 games (6.5 tackles/game).
Philip Wheeler, on the other hand – lost his starting job Conner. However, he played in all 16 games, and only had 61 tackles, 0 FF (3.5 tackles per game). I know his numbers are skewed slightly since he lost his starting position late in the year.
But what I see in these numbers (and when I watch the games) – is 2 rookies stepping up their play when called upon. Meanwhile, the 3rd year vet (Wheeler), not only was our least productive LB, but lost his job to a 7th rounder.
Not really sure how you can put Wheeler on the same level as Conner, let alone Angerer.
by kmbryant09 on Apr 6, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lost his job to Angerer
Conner is Will and Angerer primarily Sam (when outside). Wheeler is Sam only. I again think the difference is more than statistical. It is also about the kinds of plays made, even those that go down the same on the stat sheet as a “tackle.”
Conner regularly made excellent plays at or near the line of scrimmage, stuffing runs, or generally playing linebacker like it is supposed to be played. I thought he was very impressive for his draft billing and experience and I’m excited to see his progress.
Angerer also was more multi-faceted that Wheeler. He made more plays heading to the line of scrimmage, had more lateral mobility, got off of blocks better, and was more dynamic than Wheeler is or ever will be.
Wheeler is average or just below. Angerer and Conner, as rookies, were average at minimum (and that is against veterans league-wide). As rookies, they were fantastic. Wheeler was nearly devoid of “big plays”, the other two had handful of big plays apiece.
My 2cp.
So,
All these stats are supposed to tell me that our defense played better? Oh wait, you forgot the part that it didn’t. Who cares how many tackles you make, it matters where you make them like Bamock said. Angerer may have made 7.5 tackles per game, but most of the tackles were probably made after a 5+ yard run. I like both Angerer and Conner, it’s just people don’t give Wheeler any credit. He played great 2 years ago, and early this season, he played well. Against the Giants and Chiefs, our defense was amazing, shutting down both of their fearsome rushing attacks. In those games, Wheeler may not have made 10 tackles a game but he did his assignments and played great.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 6, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Their argument had nothing to do with the entire D playing better
It had to do with Angerer and Conner obviously playing much better than Wheeler. Who (beating a dead horse here) was benched in favor of two rookies who ended up playing much better than him.
And I’ve already had this “tackles were made 5 yards past the LOS” debate with you before. If we have DT help that stalls the run plays like it should, then they make a tackle much closer to the line. If the DT’s allow the runner to break through and get to the second level, obviously the tackle will be made by a linebacker 5 or more yards past the LOS… that’s where they are coached to be located (unless blitzing) which the Colts didn’t do much of with the two rookies.
I know you love Wheeler and hate that he got benched in place of a 2nd and 7th round rookie… but you can’t seriously be this blind regarding his deteriorating play and failure to produce like the coaches expect him to. He’s a good backup and should stay just that… a backup.
Oh, and this…
Who cares how many tackles you make
is a ridiculous statement. And I’m sure many people would disagree with you… especially when we’re discussing a LB – one of the positions specifically designed to get tons of tackles.
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
by coltsjunkie44 on Apr 7, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, it's where you make those tackles.
I like Wheeler, but saying Angerer and Conner made play after play is just not true. If they made “play after play,” then our defense would have improved, but it didn’t. Most of those so called plays were made during the Mookie at DT spot late in the regular season. You can’t compare Wheeler and Angerer effectively at LB when Mookie was starting. When Muir was starting before that is the only time that our D-line had the same players.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 7, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude -what's with the man crush
on Wheeler? He really isn’t that good. Conner and Angerer played so much better than Wheeler across the board. I repect your admiration for the guy but if he left tomorrow I think you might be one of the only Colt’s fans who would miss him. Are you related to the guy or something?
What's with the man crush on Angerer and Conner?
They REALLY didn’t play better than Wheeler did.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 9, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like there is a pretty large consensus who saw
much better play from the two rookies than the 3 year vet who’s supposed to do his job a lot better than them.
So that’s the reason for the man crush on Angerer and Conner….
That and “Angerer” is one of the coolest MLB names I’ve ever heard.
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
by coltsjunkie44 on Apr 9, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because you have a cool name doesn't mean that you play good.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 10, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it not clear enough that that was a joke?
And playing well on the other hand is a pretty good indicator that you can play well.
And playing poorly and getting benched (wheeler) is an even better indicator that you’re not playing well
But it doesn’t matter, because it seems like regardless of evidence, and common sense you’ve got your opinion and I’ve got mine. Now let’s just wait and see who gets the start next year.
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
by coltsjunkie44 on Apr 10, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can't I answer with a joke?
Calm down, your getting to excited. Haven’t I been saying that there will be a lot of competition at LB with all the depth for a long time?
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 10, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a GT fan.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 9, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
I have no allegiance to college football.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 10, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, what does GT have anything to do with the colts and Wheeler?
That’s a stupid argument to make when were arguing over who played better. Our LB play really wasn’t good. I don’t understand why you think it was, it just puzzles me to say the least.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 10, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what's an even worse argument to make?
DT rotations regarding which linebacker is more talented and a better player.
You’ve been bringing that up as a consistent fall back when multiple stats point to Wheeler being a worse player than Angerer. Doesn’t matter though, because I think you’re doing it at this point just to get a rise out of us. Kind of reminds me of someone else on this site.
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
by coltsjunkie44 on Apr 10, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok ISW,
I mean Deywalka,
Oh sorry Trueblue1984,
Whatever, someone is getting mad. Now your just being immature. None of your stats have proved your point. Stats alone don’t prove anything, but just like ISW, you don’t know that.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 10, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The ISW reference is actually fairly comical
Coming from the person who replaced him as having his lips firmly planted on BBS’ backside.
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
by coltsjunkie44 on Apr 11, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting response...
Please expain into further detail so you can prove that you are a fool.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 11, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This will be good haha :)
You only have one comment, but that’s it so I’m waiting for all of this supposable BBS support.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 11, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a large reason
for he inconsistent play at linebacker is because our defensive line is suspect and 2 rookies were starting for various reasons. Anytime your LBs and DBs are having to cover running backs usting through the line at full speed it affects their play.
That's what I'm saying.
It’s a team effort with the D-line, LB’s, and secondary. The only time our LB’s played consistent was when our D-line was consistent.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 10, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You're defending Wheeler because he's from GT.
I’ve yet to see anyone defend him but you.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 10, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like GT,
but that doesn’t change the fact that he played okay. I’m done arguing about this. I’ve already argued with JN13 and finished that it is getting boring.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 11, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not what the coaches think.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 5, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I've had this exact conversation with JesusNinja13 before.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 5, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to him?
Anyway, I just think that if Angerer and Conner played in Wheeler’s stead, the coaches probably have a higher view of them.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 5, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He was banned by BBS.
These same coaches are the one’s that most colts fans are complaining about, which I thought was funny. I like Caldwell though. He just needs to be a little better with time management.
by RamblinWreck7 on Apr 7, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey...
My name’s not JesusNinja13!
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
by coltsjunkie44 on Apr 6, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Although the article says they took several things into consideration:
where teams selected; how many star players were acquired; booms and busts at the top of the draft; late-round gems; and how the players selected contributed to wins and losses.
I’d say it sounds pretty accurate.
Drugs are bad.
by An Actual Fan of the Colts on Apr 4, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sporting news has us #2
For decade behind pitt
Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I'm in a police station.
by TouchdownColts on Apr 4, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I wish that I could double rec this
Great find, for sure!
Thank you for sharing!
Peyton Manning = GFQTWHESINTHOEF
2006 was the best draft year ever.
I think the 2006 draft year was the best ever, I mean Polian really did his thing that year.
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