Which QB would you rather have?
I was over at the packers blog and they had an interesting debate going on about which QB you would rather have Manning or Rodgers. So the argument is simple "which QB had a better year last year and looking at their entirety which would you rather have going into next season?" Some of the arguments that have been made after the jump.
Take them as you will. Link to the discussion is here
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->SpartaChris<!-- google_ad_section_end -->- To be honest, I have no problem with Manning being ranked above Rodgers in terms of who the better QB is today. The raw stats don't always tell the story, and Manning has been at the top of his game for so long that he's earned the #1 or 2 spot.
You could make the Argument that Rodgers was better last year, but as far as the best in the game over an entire body of work, I have no issue with it being Brady, Manning, then Rodgers, in that order.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->18to88<!-- google_ad_section_end -->- It depends on the question. If the question is, "Who had the better 2010?", then the answer is Rodgers. If the question is who is better overall, I think Manning's track record is longer and more steady than Rodgers. If the question is who do I want in 2011, I expect the Colts offense to have a monster year.
Aaron Rodgers has been as good as any quarterback in football for the past two years, but that's no guarantee he'll continue playing at that level. History is littered with QBs who have a couple of stellar years only to have their play drop off due to injury or other factors.
He's a wonderful player, and there's every reason to think he'll continue being one.
It would be interesting to see how he'd fare in a situation like Manning's last year where he had to throw some 200 more times than Rodgers did.
I consider Rodgers a top five QB along with Brees, Brady, Roethlisberger, and Manning. Which one is the best in any given season will always be difficult to determine. That's the tier, however, and he's earned his place on it.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->PackersRS<!-- google_ad_section_end -->- Right now I don't have a single ounce of doubt that Rodgers is the best QB in the league. Nobody brings what he does. What he did in the playoffs, it was as if Joe Montana had Steve Young's athleticism. It was an early on John Elway, but clutch. He made throws that only Favre was capable in his prime, but without Favre's careless.
Regular season doesn't mean anything, as Joe Montana never even threw for 4000 yards, and his top was 31 TDs. But in postseason the guy was a maniac, with 12 games of over 100 QB rating!
Now, if we're talking career, he's still behind both Manning and Brady.
But, right now, Rodgers is the best. He isn't in the top tier in dissecting defenses yet, he's not with Manning, Brady and Brees. But Rodgers is right behind them, and with his mobility and cool, it tops them.
Rodgers can make every single throw with perfection, something that Brady can't do. He's more careful and a better leader than Manning (he doesn't blame others for poor play). He can run and throw on the run as well as on the pocket. He can run for a score.
It's no coincidence that Rodgers is #1 in regular season QB rating and #1 in postseason QB rating. The guy is a monster.
He still have some areas to work, his close passes, and beating a cover 2 team, though with a running game, it'll be easier, they won't be able to simply rush the QB on every down.
But there's nobody I feel more comfortable with running my team than Aaron Rodgers. If I can choose any player to lead my team for the 2011 season, it's Rodgers.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->SpartaChris<!-- google_ad_section_end -->- As for comparing the seasons last year, yes we lost Tauscher, Finley and Grant. Contrast that to the Colts losing Dallas Clark (Finley,) Anthony Gonzales (Driver), Joseph Addai (Grant), Mike Hart (Brandon Jackson), and Austin Collie (James Jones). That's in addition to the injury carousel on their offensive line, so much so that they at one point had to have their rookie tight end get ready to play Guard for the final Titans game. That's a ton of skill to be without for a large part or all of the season.
Yes, we too had injuries, and we noticed a lack of offensive production with just those three guys missing. Imagine having constant injuries on your offensive line and missing your #2 and 3 WR's, plus the backup QB. That's why Mannings numbers are a bit softer than Rodgers.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->PackersRS<!-- google_ad_section_end -->-
Rodgers' 2009 season:
541 attempts. 65.7% completion. 4.434 yards. 30 Tds. 7 Ints. 8.2 YPA. 103.2 rating
Manning 2009 season:
571 attempts. 68.8% completion. 4.500 yards. 33 Tds. 17 Ints. 7.9 YPA. 99.9 rating.
BTW, Manning has 3 +100 rating seasons (one being an absurd 121.1) in 13 seasons as a starting QB. His regular season rating is 94.9
Rodgers, in 3, has 2 +100 rating seasons. His regular season rating is 98.4
Manning has 5 games of +100 rating in 19 postseason games. His postseason rating is 88.4
Rodgers has 4 games of +100 rating in 5 postseason games. His postseason rating is 112.6
Manning has done it longer, but Rodgers has done it better.
Rodgers is the first NFL QB we EXPECT to have a 100+ rating game, or else it's a disappointment. That's how good he is. We EXPECT him to do amazing plays both with his feet and arms, and not make mistakes.
Oh, and he led the league in positive plays according to PFF last year. He was also the best graded QB.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->GreenBayGal<!-- google_ad_section_end -->- I think Rodgers was incredible this season, especially during the post season. If you look strictly at statistics, Brady & Manning surely have better numbers that Rodgers. However, I'm not always a believer in stats. A lousy pass could be completed by an awesome reciever. A perfect pass could be dropped by a butter fingered reciever. As Sparta Chris states, Mannings numbers were down due to injuries in the Colt's offense. A really great quarter back can hold the team together with the 1st or 2nd string offense. In 2010, I think Rodgers showed the most tenacity and talent in dealing with any adversity given to him. My vote goes to Rodgers.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
<!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) -->GBPack2010<!-- google_ad_section_end -->- Both can make out of this world throws and both have shown up in big games as they've each won a Superbowl beating tough opponents along the way and being essential leaders throughout their careers. I'd choose the one with more mobility and that's Rodgers.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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Manning in 2011
Nice article and good stat comparison. Manning for 2011. Rodgers is great and still early in his career. Rodgers will be talked about as one of the greatest ever.
Appreciate Manning, he only has 3-5 years left.
Peyton Manning
For now and probably the next 2 years, Peyton Manning. I don’t see why people are saying he’s not as good, and I guess not, at least not stat wise. You can’t have good numbers with a line that has half-healthy Charlie Johnson, an inconsistent Mike Pollak, a fast aging Jeff Saturday, a nothing-to-mention-below-average Kyle DeVan, and a not so false start* Ryan Diem. (I think I’ve seen someone on here with the signature in latin “rid us of Diem” This season with the addition of Ijalana and Castonzo, I’m sure Manning’s numbers will be better. And still, with a terrible O-line, Manning went 4 games undefeated to make the playoffs, if that’s not an elite QB, I don’t know what is. Rodgers will be better than Manning in a few seasons, no doubt though. That’s like saying right now, would you rather have a 50 year old Dan Marino or a 25 year old Curtis Painter Chad Henne?
And by the way, it’s Peyton, not Payton.
Manning > Rodgers
I could list a lot of reasons as to why Manning is better….but let’s just start with the injuries he had to deal with on offense this past year…
Take any team, and I do mean any team, and swap out the parts that the Colts lost through out the year, and tell me if they finish 4th in total offense….
Tell me if their QB throws for 30+ TDs and 4500 yards…
They don’t…..
That’s why Manning is better…
If we have a season
Then I think it will be Packers vs. Colts in Indianapolis for Super Bowl XLVI. Then we’ll see who’s better. As of now though, Manning is better.
"Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it" - Dr. Dre
by P0RKINS2 on May 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
For the guy that brought up the passer rating thing as justification for Rodgers
Rodgers has only faced two top 10 defenses in his playoff career. He was great against one (Steelers) and horrible against another (Bears). Manning has faced twelve Top 10 defenses in nineteen career playoff games. That tells me that the level of competition he is playing has been better than the competition Rodgers has faced. The Packers had the lead in all 4 playoff games during their run to a championship. Manning had to come back from an 18 point deficit to beat the Pats to get to Superbowl XLI and an 11 point deficit against the Jets to get to Super Bowl XLIV. I give the edge to Manning for this reason: he owns Rodgers in clutch situations. Yes Rodgers numbers may be better but as far as comebacks, game-winning drives, etc. than he owns him. Rodgers has 3, that’s right THREE, game-winning drives in 3 seasons. Manning had 5 in a row back in 2009. So Manning had more 4th Quarter Comebacks in a 5 week span than Rodgers does in his entire career. Plus he lead one of the best drives of all-time to beat the Team of the Decade and make it to his first Superbowl. Manning is better because when the game is close he almost always wins if he gets the ball in his hands. Rodgers hasn’t shown that nearly enough.
"Roll up, wait a minute
Let me put some kush up in it" - Dr. Dre
by P0RKINS2 on May 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The comebacks could be a testament to the strength of their respective teams though.
GB’s defense has probably been the best in the league over the last two seasons (at worst it’s been the second best), so it’s likely that an okay performance from Rodgers has been enough to give them a substantial lead.
how many opportunities has Rodgers had for a comeback? I doubt he’s 3 for 3, but I wouldn’t think he’d be worse than 3/10 over the 3 seasons.
If I needed a QB for 2011, I’d probably take Manning over Rodgers. But if I were trying to find a franchise guy for the next 15 years, I’d have to take Rodgers.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on May 28, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Rodgers is 3/17
on Comeback opportunities FYI. Manning is 46/80 on Comeback opportunities, which is pretty good.
"Roll up, wait a minute
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by P0RKINS2 on May 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
he's had 17 games where he's had one chance to score to win?
That seems pretty high for someone with 3 years + one or two games experience. Manning’s 80 seems high too. Might be the definition of comeback opportunities.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I did it based on opportunities to win the game in the 4th Quarter
I went back and checked it’s actually 3/15. Rodgers had 7 opportunities in his first season and 4 each of the past two seasons. So it’s not really that much better but marginally. I checked Manning’s opportunities as well and it I still get 80. Considering that he’s played 208 games and spent most of them on good teams than 80 comeback opportunities isn’t that suprising b/c you’d expect that most of his losses have been in close games.
"Roll up, wait a minute
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by P0RKINS2 on May 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
cool.
cool cool cool
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on May 30, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
who the hell is pAyton manning?
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on May 28, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
i mean i voted for him but what
i don't give autographs
by muncie_in_this on May 28, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think....
he is the love child of Peyton Manning and Walter Payton, which means he must be awesome.
That must be it.
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on May 31, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Better leader
One of the sections mentioned that Rodgers was a better leader I’m not sure if it’s just me but i honestly do not believe there is a better leader than Manning. He’s lead this team through everything from a potential perfect season to a late season comeback to make the playoffs for a record number of times. Being cool headed is Mannings game and he kills teams with it.
Also about not blaming others for loses? i don’t remember Manning playing the blame game too much but i bet if they deserve it he would call them out and it obviously works the way he does it if they are always heading into the postseason.
Not to diss Rodgers hes a good QB but he isn’t the best yet and he and Ben threw way too many picks during the superbowl that game could’ve gone either way

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