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Who should Indy fans be saying good-bye to soon?

With the foundation now set in place for the new CBA agreement we can start to speculate what may happen to potential free agents.  I'm sure the Colts organization isn't too pleased with the news.  The idea of loosing the tendered players currently on the roster would be a major blow to remaining in contention.  If players with four years of service and contract is up become unrestricted free agents, prepare now to say good-bye to some familiar faces.  The Colts in the past have always managed to deal with roster losses without effecting the overall team too much.  However, this doesn't mean they are set-up to see the large number of team members depart at this time.  If the Colts cannot discover some way of re-signing bigger names like Peyton Manning, Joseph Addai, Adam Vinatieri, Melvin Bullitt, among others, then another playoff run is unlikely.  After the jump let's look at the possibility of who might leave and who might be in a Colts jersey next year.

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Peyton Manning

The most important name on the list has to be Peyton Manning. We know besides from the option of Jim Irsay selling his soul to get a deal done (heck maybe he would).  We're destine to see number 18 in blue and white for the rest of his career.  So, let's move onto the others whose future maybe not as certain.

Chances of being back: 100%

 

Joseph Addai

He's now 28 young in age, but the Colts normally do not re-sign veteran running backs.  In recent history we've watched Marshall Faulk head to the greatest show on turf and Edgerrin James both move on before they hit the ripe age of 30.  Yet, the only difference I see today could be, will Addai require a contract as monumental as the backs before him would have ordained?  And, what teams with room within their salary cap are willing to offer for his services?  Taking both of those questions in consideration, I cannot feel comfortable believe he'll be back.  The Colts also may already taken this into the deciding factor when they selected Delone Carter in the draft.

Chances of being back: 35%

 

Charlie Johnson

While serviceable on our offensive line, he's far from elite by many standards.  This is not a bad thing, in fact that could play a major roll in the Colts bring him back.  Charlie can play on the outside at tackle or inside at his natural position guard.  His versatility is the most valuable asset to receiving a new contract offer.  Are there better options soon to be sitting out there in free agency?  Yes.  But, the price tag for what others can bring to the table might not be worth the same when examining what the Colts ask of their offensive-linemen. 

Chances of being back: 85%

 

Melvin Bullitt

The departure of Bob Sanders skyrocketed the need to make a decision, who will be the starting SS for the Indianapolis Colts?  Coming from a long line of UFA's who have contributed to the Colt's success, Melvin Bullitt has exceeded people's expectations when placed in the line-up.  He's not the playmaker Sanders' is yet, he doesn't cost you games like fill-in Aaron Francisco will.  Bullitt stated the only way he sees himself a Colt next year is with a long-term deal.  I'm not sure the team sees him as a long-term solution thou, putting in question him being a high priority.  When paying for a starting caliber player you don't want average/backup style play from him.  We've already had that benefit of going through that with Kelvin Hayden.

Chances of being back: 50%

 

Adam Vinatieri

Even at the age of 38, Adam has hardly lost a step.  Maybe he doesn't have the leg he once had but, with Pat McAfee as a kickoff specialist, that's a non-factor.  The facts are he's a future hall-of-fame candidate and when the game is on the line there's no one you'd rather have lining-up to kick for you.  He has ice water running through his veins, no matter the pressure (Super Bowl game winner) he just does his job.  Not to mention he's also a leader in the locker room.

Chances of being back: 99.9%

 

Clint Session

At the beginning of last year, you could easily argue Clint was the best linebacker on the team.  Middle linebacker Gary Brackett is intelligent and instinctive but, when it comes to playing with heart Session can't be beat.  He attacks the ball carrier in a lot of ways like he was trying to replace Bob Sanders' presence.  Possibly leading to the reason he landed on IR.  His size will not attract many suitors, especially as more teams switch large 3-4 linebackers.  If another team is willing to pay for his willingness to give 110% and not his size; then no doubt he'll be playing for another contender.  Colts would greatly benefit from the depth but, he becomes merely a luxury with the play of 7th round selection Kavell Conner.

Chances of being back: 40%

 

Antonio Johnson and Dan Muir

One of these two should manage to return to the Colts.  The fan's (including myself) display a fondness for Mookie over Muir's ability to help stop the run.  The difference is noticeable, after seeing a strong showing in the final 4 regular season games.  Unfortunately, Johnson goes down due to injury and Muir comes in and gets pounded like fresh meat in a prison during the playoff's game vs. the Jets.  After all of this the Colt's organization seems to favor their pick towards Dan Muir being the chosen one.  Of course you can never be sure what the Polians' might do, as it turns out they may upgrade over both of them. 

Chances of being back: One of them - 82%, Both - 15%, Neither - .1%

 

Closing Analysis

The general consensus is Ryan Diem and Kelvin Hayden will be cut to make room for others.  If that happens there will be a few more million dollars of cap space.  Personally if the Colts are going to pay for an elite corner they might is well have one, Jonathan Joseph fits that bill.  He's not the biggest name out there but, he deserves to be mentioned with the best of them.  Another direction to consider should be a defensive tackle who mandates double teams.  Brandon Mebane could be that gem to apply pressure and free up Freeney and Mathis.  Finally, strong safety is a position that will have to be address after Peyton's contract.  I'm sure everyone has their front runner to take the job but, I'll choose not to play favorites. 

The offense may see some remodeling as well depending on Johnson and Addai's statuses.  The running back position is now is flux relating to possible losses of Joe Addai to free agency and Javarris James to stupidity.  If available Jerome Harrison is an affordable scat-back which seemed poised to breakout a couple years back. He's one person barely mentioned but has big play ability also. And, as far as Johnson goes, if/when Diem is released Charlie's bound to be kept.  That's not to say the team might not upgrade the offensive line still but, more likely the current members will round out the roster. 

Thank you very much for listening and please speculate your own ideas.

 

-Go COLTS!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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I agree with most of the percentages

But I dont see why so many are conviced Addai will be gone when nothing I have seen points to that. When the team to let Faulk go, they signed a RB in the first round(Edge). When the colts let Edge go, they singed a RB in the first round(Addai). This year the Colts signed a RB in the fourth round. I also feel Addai’s price tag wont be any higher than the other FA backs, and Addai knows the system front to back. If the colts let Addai go and didnt sign a FA, It would mean we are relying on the ever inconsistant Donald Brown and a 4th round Delone Carter as our 1/2 punch at running back. I dont see either Polian or Manning for that matter, allowing that to be the case. Other choices I think are dead on though, with Vinny and CJ the only guys with an above average chance at returning

by Segway11 on Jun 21, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope they workout a deal to keep Addai

Its comical that everyone expects Peyton to take a pay cut to sign more free agents. Yet, if the Colts were knock out championship like the Patriots did everyone would change there tune and ask to stay/come to a winning franchise. Veterans would state their cases to be signed with the team so they could have a shot a glory. Imagine if the pending free agents took that view, someone like Nnamdi Asomugha would kill for a shot at ring after years of service to the Raiders.

NeXt Man Up

by Dann Giszewski on Jun 21, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont Think he'll make a pay cut either

I know he did it to resign Dfree. But that was Dfree. I just think when all is said and done, Addai wont cost that much to retain. And I dont think many other teams would list him as a primary FA target. I agree with you on the FAs signing with “contenders”. It seems like every few year a new team pops up that all the veterans think is gonna get them that ring. A few years ago it was the pats and now it seem like the last couple years the Jets have taken that crown. I hate to say it but I feel like location plays a role aswell. As much as I love Indy I doubt its much of a selling point come negotiation time.

by Segway11 on Jun 22, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree. Players know the Colts are contenders year in and year out and, if Indy makes an offer, they listen. The key is, often the Colts don’t offer to the high profile guys because they’d rather spend money retaining their own.

by TrueBlue87 on Jun 22, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

paycut for freeney?

manning never took a paycut to sign freeney. that didnt happen

by omahacolt on Jun 22, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1/2 punch is really like half punch, not 1-2 punch

but if we just had brown and the rookie it really would be a half punch of a running game. hell maybe a quarter punch with our o-line

i don't give autographs

by muncie_in_this on Jun 22, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

1st round rb?

you mentioned brown. do you not understand where they drafted him?

the fact that brown sucks is the only reason we are even talking about bringing addai back

by omahacolt on Jun 22, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Addai is 28, almost 30

He also had a lot of injuries and can’t carry the load (20-25 carries a game). I doubt he would have a big market.

by Ty46 on Jun 22, 2011 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

We wouldn't need him to.

Not sure if you’re defending him or not, but that’s the exact reason why I want him back.

We don’t need a work-horse RB. We need an intelligent, shifty RB who can pass block + catch passes.

by kmbryant09 on Jun 22, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Id let bullitt go

to get Weddle from the chargers.

by metal_militia on Jun 22, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Chargers have more cap (20-25 million more), will offer more

I’m hoping for Cofield though, the Giants don’t have much cap room.

by Ty46 on Jun 22, 2011 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Losing Addai would be a huge blow to our offense. He may not be the best RB but he contributes with unseen versatility. He runs, catches and keeps #18 on his feet. Therefore he cannot be replaced by any back on our roster- and Peyton would lose his prime check down option as well as his last wall of defence.
But still, defense (safety, LB’s) should be a major concern/ adress once FA begins esp. if bullit and session leave. And i DO think the colts are smart enough to change their stoic FA position this year.

by Martin Steinkogler on Jun 22, 2011 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Manning Trade Value

Why is it assumed that Manning is a Colts lifer? If the Packers offered Aaron Rodgers and their next three first round draft choices for Manning, wouldn’t the Colts be fools not to make the trade? Obviously the Packers would never make such an offer, but the point is that nobody is off limits. Of course we all want Manning to retire a Colt, but the NFL is a business.

So, the real question is: what is Manning’s trade value? What would you take for him?

by walk689295 on Jun 22, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.

by It'sAlways18 on Jun 30, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Manning remaining a Colt is a given

Because no team would offer the compensation the Colts would be looking for in exchange for Manning

by metal_militia on Jun 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This isn't Madden...

You have to understand that you’re not trading a 98 rating QB for a 92 rating QB and three first round picks who will all come out rated at 80 or so. In Madden you can pull off something like that and the ramifications are minor at best. Plug-in any player you want, the Indy playbook stays the same, the QB and offensive players simply do what the old players did, and all is hunky dory.

In the real world you have a MAJOR valuation problem in your idea. First, Aaron Rodgers has been groomed to function in the Green Bay offensive system. Pull him out of Green Bay and put him in Indianapolis and you have a two-fold issue. On one hand, the Colts offense would have to drastically be altered in order to be easier for Rodgers to operate effectively – give him a system he’s used to. On the other hand, Rodgers would have to learn to function in the Colts offensive scheme and essentially “be” Peyton Manning.

First, Rodgers is not ready for that. It would take him years to be ready to function at anything close to Manning’s level in Manning’s system. Second, the scheme changes and personnel changes that would be required to create an offensive system designed to mimic Green Bay’s would also take years, millions of dollars, and mass coaching changes. The entire Indianapolis coaching staff and front office would dissolve. Whatever sense of consistency the franchise would disappear almost over night.

Then, let’s value those 1st round picks. Three Green Bay first round picks… the defending Super Bowl champions, would amount to no expectation of 28th pick or higher. One of those picks could be a valuable long-time starter at another position. Another will probably take a year to develop into a steady contributor. Maybe one will bust. Completely mixed up and jarbled system, low-value first round picks, or a quarterback who will take years to develop into a completely unfamiliar system.

The other option is to retain Manning, be a playoff team every year until he retires, be a front runner for Super Bowl contention until he retires, and have a very real shot of winning another championship or two in the next four years.

Aaron Rodgers and three first round picks over the next three years for Manning would be a bad trade. Frankly, Peyton Manning is as close to untradable as it gets.

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by bamock on Jun 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahah what?

this isnt mannings system. your whole post is is completely ridiculous.

you only think rodgers can play in green bays system? hahhah hilarious post.

rodgers and 3 first round picks for manning would be the a no brainer.

by omahacolt on Jun 22, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny or not...

I did not say that Rodgers can only play in Green Bay’s system. I said it would take time for him to transition to the Colts system… or for the Colts to recreate an offensive system more consistent with what Green Bay does.

Yes, in almost every way this offensive scheme exists and was created specifically to suit the talents and preferences of Peyton Manning. Look at the offense pre-Manning and with Manning and tell me when the change occurred. It occurred when Manning was drafted. As is par for the course when team’s draft stud quarterbacks. The offense is often recreated to suit that quarterback.

How different were the Saints when they acquired Brees? How different were the Vikings when Favre showed up? The Texans with Schaub? I can go on.

I am not devaluing Rodgers. I am being realistic. If you think you can plug and play any franchise quarterback into the Colts system, I don’t know what to tell you. The joke is on you.

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by bamock on Jun 22, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

the saints had a new coach. of course they changed with brees. the vikings didnt change scheme-wise with favre. who knows with schaub. they were a joke.

the colts offense has not been the same during mannings career. it has evolved. the 99 offense isnt excactly what it is today.

what you are saying is that no trrade is worthy of getting rid of a 34 year old qb. which is complete bs. only a fool would not take rodgers and 3 1st rounders.

by omahacolt on Jun 22, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just sayin'

Gotta factor in fan reaction. I know it’s a business, and on paper Rodgers + 3 first rounders makes a ton of sense…

But I’m pretty sure Colts’ nation would have a backlash unlike anything we’ve ever seen. Take all the LeBron James hatred, and apply that to the Colts organization.

by kmbryant09 on Jun 23, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but

colts nation is stupid

we have one of the worst fan bases in sports

by omahacolt on Jun 23, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What does that have to do with anything?

Fair or not, are you suggesting that Colts’ Nation wouldn’t revolts against the front office if they traded Peyton Manning?

by kmbryant09 on Jun 24, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

its like this

if the colts got rid of manning and the deal was aaron rodgers and 3 future 1st round draft picks, any revolt would only come from idiots. that deal would be way too good to pass up.

by omahacolt on Jun 24, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You underestimate...

How many Peyton Manning fans are out there.

Whether you like it or not, there is a large amount of fans who really care for the Colts, or started caring for the Colts, because of one man: Peyton Manning.

Losing Peyton Manning to retirement inevitably means losing some fans. But trading Peyton away? Good like selling tickets.

by kmbryant09 on Jun 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i dont

60% of this horrible fanbase are indianapolis manning fans. i dont mind losing these fans

lucas oil will be a ghost town once he leaves.

by omahacolt on Jun 27, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

How's the trolling going gui le douche?

I hail from the state of Montana. The skies are big and the women are bigger. MMmmm.

by Brick Jobeson on Jun 28, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's right though.

Maybe not the percentages, but LOS will be empty in 6 years time. Unless Indy drafts Rodgers sometime in the next couple of years.

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by insertscreenname on Jun 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're proving my point...

If ‘60%’ of this fanbase are really just Peyton Manning fans, and the Colts traded Peyton Manning, then there’d be little fanbase left. I’m fairly certain you’d see backlash towards our front office (regardless of the deal they made) 10 times worse than the backlash LeBron got for The Decision.

by kmbryant09 on Jun 30, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

that wasnt your point

your point was never that the indy fanbase is horrible

by omahacolt on Jun 30, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Rodgers

 the entire Packers starting D and 3 first rounders… :-) ok… i’ll second metal_militia- nobody will be willing to offer the Colts enuogh compensation

by Martin Steinkogler on Jun 22, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Polian won't do it, but...

Drop Addai, Brown and Rhodes; pick up DeAngelo and Snelling
Drop Muir; pick up Mebane
Drop Bullitt; pick up Eric Weddle and Johnathan Joseph
Drop Diem; pick up Doug Free… or Gaithner
Keep the rest of the roster… Colts win Superbowl in their hometown!

by TheSpear on Jun 23, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds great

But I’m fairly positive we don’t have the cap space for all this. After re-signing Manning and a few other FA’s (Vinatieri, CJ, Bullitt?? Addai??) we won’t have much room to work with. Maybe room for a few guys like Tommie Harris or Plaxico Burress….but not Free, Weddle, Joseph, DeAngelo, Mebane.

by kmbryant09 on Jun 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But if we let Addai and Bullitt go we open up some cash. All comes down to what the cap will be as well. I would love to get them all but if we could get a one or two of them it would really help. I doubt we could ever get Free but if we did! :) Weddle or Joseph OR Mickell… that would REALLY help.

by TheSpear on Jun 24, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Addai and Bullitt aren’t on our books yet. We’d have to SIGN them to actually PAY them. It’s not like Diem or Hayden – players who have a high salary for 2011 that we may decide to cut, therefore lowering our payroll.

From what I’ve heard (I haven’t actually seen the #‘s spelled out), after we sign Peyton Manning, we’ll have room to re-sign 2 or 3 of our important guys (Addai, Bullitt, CJ, Session, Vinatieri), and possibly add 1 or 2 decent free agents (Harris, Mebane, Burress).

I’m just hoping we re-sign Peyton, Addai, CJ, Vinatieri….and sign FA’s Tommie Harris, one of the safeties, and maybe Plax?? (I’m not sold on that one). That, along with the return of all of our injuried players (Collie, Clark, Brown, Gonzo, Powers, K. Thomas, GB) & our rookies (Costanzo, Ijalana, Carter & Nevis) is more than enough talent to win a SuperBowl.

by kmbryant09 on Jun 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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