Clint Session Likely To Sign With Jaguars, Rams Looking At Dan Muir
by Brad Wells on Jul 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT
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PrintAs we said back in January, Clint Session is as good as gone from the Colts roster in 2011. While he was a solid contributor for the Colts as a back-up and, eventually, starting WILL backer, the reality is the Colts cycle through WILL backers the way Charlie Sheen cycles through hookers and mountains of cocaine.
The WILL backer spot is simply not valued by the Colts front office (see David Thornton, Cato June, Freddy Keiaho, etc.), and with the emergence of Kavell Conner last year, the writing was on the wall for Session.
However, it seems that, like Freddy Keiaho and David Thornton, Clint might find a happy home with a division rival. According to multiple sources, including SB Nation's own Big Cat Country, the Jacksonville Jaguars are close to signing the former-5th round pick out of Pitt. Jacksonville is also negotiating with CB Chris Carr, S Dawan Landry, and have already inked linebacker Justin Durant Paul Posluszny.
Add Session to that mix, and the Jags have a nice defense going. Meanwhile, we have Kelvin Hayden and his $9 million dollar cap hit. Yay.
Other news to pass along is the St. Louis Rams are sniffing around Daniel Muir. They are also looking into getting Brandon Mebane and Darren Sproles. I'll remind everyone that, like the Colts, the Rams are very tight against the cap due to significant money invested in Sam Bradford, Jason Smith, and Chris Long. Yet, they are still able to make deals for players like Quintin Mikell, who they signed yesterday to a four-year deal.
If the Rams manage to get Mebane and Sproles to go with Mikell, I might just punch a dolphin or a small baby panda at the zoo.
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The Rams can have Muir all they like.
The reason they are able to make significant deals for Mikell etc is due to the fact that they lost OJ Atogwe, and whilst Bradford is big money, he’s not $23m this year.
We do need a DT, but I don’t expect we’ll get a good one.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
Even a not good DT could be better than Muir though
He was a fat lump of nothing last season.
by Rossaa on Jul 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hit someone up for AJ news
What is going on with AJ??? He was back in the lineup the last 4 games and our run D went from mediocre to acceptable. He goes out for the Jets playoff game and Muir & co. suck again.
Can someone find out if the Colts management are going to re-sign AJ??? Looks like Tommie Harris or Pat Williams may after all be headed our way when it is all said and done. Please Rams, please, take Daniel Muir so that the Colts do not have the dilemma of letting him be in our line up and suck again.
Let Muir go and get Harris.
Williams is too old (38). Harris, although he’s had a couple down years since his knee injury, could rebound in a new yet familiar system. Those down years may also make him available for cheap. Further, he would be a great addition to help teach the young DTs.
I know, people are obsessed with a 1-tech, but I think that factor is less important than just getting guys that are capable.
by ActionOxford on Jul 28, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of cheap, any chance Gaither could be had for cheap? He’s got an injury history, and the Colts could certainly use him to start at LT and then move to RT once Castonzo is up to speed. Those would be formidable Ts. Ijalana is more suited at guard and would be a nice fit at RG. Charlie Johnson can go to his natural position at LG. That’s a strong ass O-Line.
All we would need then is a DT.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
Problem
Gaither wants to play LT. That’s one of his issues in Baltimore is that they want Oher at the LT spot. Gaither wants to be a LT and wants LT money. Doubt he’ll come here just to be replaced at LT again. Couple that with his injuries and questionable work ethic and you get a guy that won’t ever be a Colt.
by ActionOxford on Jul 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
According to Phil B, Caldwell thought AJ didn't give 100% all the time
Though that “less than 100%” was just after his knee surgery.
According to me
I don’t think that Caldwell gave 100% all the time.
His half brain limited the team in key moments on several occassions.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
We lost Mike Peterson to the Jags and we were alright
Session is no Mike Peterson when healthy and in his prime. He took bad angles at the beginning of the season and played out of position when Arian Foster and MJD gashed us in those first few games. We will survive without him.
We need CJ & AJ signed up so that we can cut Diem & not have second thoughts about Muir leaving (God knows what the coaches see in him).
Rams Cap Number
BBS, you keep on mentioning the fact that the Rams are close to the cap. However, according to this site (http://min.scout.com/2/1089035.html) which I found on the St. Louis Rams SB Nation Blog, at the beginning of free agency, the Rams were 35.6 million under the cap and the Colts were $2.7 million over.
Once again, that is 35.6 million under versus $2.7 million over.
The teams are in very different cap situations. You can’t compare them.
by ColtsPensacola on Jul 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
U trust that site?
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
I trust that site over you vaguely mentioning three players. A final roster is filled with 50 more players.
by ColtsPensacola on Jul 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ummmm...he's right BBS
The Rams sat at 102 million on the roster for 2011, that means that prior to any cuts they were 18 million under th cap, while we were 1.8 million over to start. They are not “tight against the cap”.
I'll be sad to see Session go, not so much with Muir
They both had great years in 2009, but Muir definitely regressed and/or played out of position last year.
Session, sadly falls victim to Colts’ philosophy of easily replaced LBs. I’m bummed, but not worried. Conner looked good last year and Moten fits the back-up, lost-cost future WILL-role, just fine. Besides, Keiaho and Hagler could probably be signed in a pinch.
GO HORSE!
Muir and Keiaho
I would like Muir to RUN, not walk, to the first available locker room that isn’t the Colts and unpack his bags.
If I never see Keiaho in a Colts uniform again I will be very content.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
How can the Colts sign anyone of concequence...
……. if they don’t know the number for Peyton?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." Man it's great to be a Colts fan.
St Louis working with much more
In an email conversation with ESPN’s Mike Sando, he confirmed that the Rams have approximately $12 million in cap space, as things stand right now.
It would be nice to get similar confirmation for the Colts. Last thing I saw was that we were over, so they have been working with at least $12 mil more than us. They need to spend it too, because unlike us they haven’t made a playoff appearance in years. We’re getting more value for our cash for sure!
St. Louis has been in the news because they’ve basically been going after everyone the Colts would also like. They only have Quintin Mikell to show for it so far. That’s a strong move, but it’s only one player on a team that needs a bunch. Maybe they’ll get someone else.
Link
sorry, hyperlink didn’t work
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/7/26/2295827/st-louis-rams-salary-cap-nfl-free-agents
Rams
OK, let’s assume for a moment that Sando is right. How are the Rams able to have that cap space?
Bradford is $18 mill this year. Smith is $8.5 million and Chris Long counts $13.5 million against the cap this year.
Now, I don’t have access to the Colts books, but those numbers probably aren’t too far off from what Indy will have against them for Manning, Reggie, and Freeney.
So, this demands asking: Who else is killing our cap?
Likely, it’s Brackett, Hayden, and Diem. Considering our defense isn’t very good with Hayden and Brackett, it begs one to ask why they were signed to such outrageous contracts. It gets even worse when you think that the Colts invested significant money and a second round pick in Pat Angerer last year, who plays MIKE.
We also might have dead cap hanging from our corpse of a roster from Bob Sanders’ contract.
I guess my point is this: If we don’t have cap space, WHY? If it’s because of Hayden, Brackett, and Sanders, who is responsible for letting that happen? If it is because Peyton will count, say $23 mill against the cap, then why bother fielding the team? We won’t win anything if Peyton is killing our cap that way. Simple economics say we can’t. And if Manning is ‘demanding’ he get get $23 mill a year, then why even bother re-signing him? So the team can sell more jerseys from the Pro Shop before he retires?
Again, Chris, Dennis, and Bill Polian are paid LOTS OF MONEY to figure these kinds of problems out. And when you factor in that Chris and Bill signed guys like Brackett, Hayden, and Sanders to those contracts (and drafted busts like Ugoh, Pollak and Donald Brown), the problem I’m having with all this is that the issues the Colts are wrestling with are of their own making. And for me, that is not acceptable. These front office guys are paid to make the team better, not put it in shackles.
Thoughts?
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your expectations are irrational
Not every player signed will be a Hall of Famer, and that goes for every draft pick too, but the Colts (and your favorite family, the Polians!) have done an outstanding job collecting talent. The Colts have been a model of consistency for over 10 years, not many other franchises can say that. And its not like they have to gut their roster this year, they will still have most of it in tact and be very competitive…would anyone be surprised if they won the AFC?? I wouldn’t.
You’re too deep in the forest to see the trees man. Take a look at some of the other bumbling franchises in the NFL and be grateful we are NOTHING LIKE THEM!!
You're right,
they’ve been consistently too conservative, consistently awful on special teams and consistently unable to effectively stop the run. That’s consistency, ….I’ll give ‘em that. The reason they’ve been able to win their division a lot and win a superbowl comes down to one constant….. Peyton Manning.
we have other top-notch constants too.
Our battery of TEs/WRs has been elite for the past decade. We have pass rushers extraordinaire (maybe not as many as we’d like). And high-character mainstays like Saturday, (yes, I’m going to say it) Diem, Brackett, Hayden, and others helped the continuity and acclimation of others over the past decade. I shy away from “Great-Man” theories of history. PM is clearly our greatest, but not our only great.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
by zherebyonki on Jul 28, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually agree with BBS here
It is bad cap management to reward Sanders with that contract after a SB playoff season and a defensive MVP year. Highest paid safety (Sanders), highest paid DE (Freeney), highest paid TE (Dallas Clark), top 10 LB and CB money (Brackett and Hayden). We only have ourselves to blame for the bad cap management.
Out of the above, I frankly think Brackett got paid a bit too late and at least he had the play all those years to show for. Sanders, not sure if you could have anticipated how things went down after a 2006 SB winning playoff run and a 2007 season defensive MVP season when he was completely healthy. That stretch probably led them to believe Sanders will remain healthy and that was not the case.
Hayden is truly THE bad contract here since there was not much he had done besides one pick six in a SB to really deserve what he got, IMO.
But ultimately, the play of Brackett, the play of Sanders, were both affected by management’s ineptitude to address the DT position. A good DT rotation would have let Brackett and Sanders make more plays and not play “eraser” or mop up, erasing our D-line’s mistakes thus putting themselves in the line of O-linemen and bigger TEs more often, IMO. Sanders’ healthiest year was 2007 when he had Ed Johnson and Quinn Pitcock in the middle for DTs, so it is a fair extrapolation.
So, with Big Ed smoking his future out and Pitcock being a quitter (due to circumstance or choice), our D-line took a step back and with Jake Scott & Tarik Glenn going away, our O-line took a step back. One fluky year by AJ & Muir together in the middle and we are back in the SB again. Just goes to show you, if we take care of our lines, we will be in the hunt. No co-incidence that when we got Booger, we were in the SB too. Luckily, we did not have to play the Chargers in 2006, thanks to the Pats and Marty :-).
Right now, the O-line has enough talent to choose and develop from. The D-line is still a question mark. Once you address the D-line, we are back to being SB contenders again. Till then, we will remain division winners that will come up short in the playoffs.
by chad72 on Jul 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This
But ultimately, the play of Brackett, the play of Sanders, were both affected by management’s ineptitude to address the DT position. A good DT rotation would have let Brackett and Sanders make more plays and not play "eraser" or mop up, erasing our D-line’s mistakes thus putting themselves in the line of O-linemen and bigger TEs more often, IMO. Sanders’ healthiest year was 2007 when he had Ed Johnson and Quinn Pitcock in the middle for DTs, so it is a fair extrapolation.
This has been my opinion since 2005, when they finally had a good DT and thus, a top flight defense. I’m not asking for Cofield or Mebane. All I am asking for is getting rid of what isn’t working (Muir), keeping a serviceable DT (Mookie) and upgrading the position with ANY other mid-level talent. Mookie is certainly good enough to help the team get to the SB (assuming good health on the offensive side) and he was a castoff prior to coming here. Just continue to work on stopping the run first and foremost, which starts up front. Let the LBs make plays in the run game and let the CBs stay out of the injury list in the process.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
who is your favorite team, BBS? Seriously, who? Who's in your ideal front office?
Having to pay peyton is something genuine colts fans have been resigned to for a long time; it’s a burden 25 other teams would gladly shoulder.
Outrageous contracts for Brackett and Hayden? Hardly. Basically, they’re being paid their market value. They’re not grossly overpaid. If you wrote for the Eagles, you would’ve been writing how Quentin Mikell should be allowed to walk because his contract demand would be too steep. I agree with bigpony that you’re too deep in the forest to see the trees.
If you want to talk about a front office putting its team in shackles, well the #1 way you shackle a team is overpaying for somebody else’s free agents, people whose intangibles you don’t know because you’ve never had them in your own locker room to see what they’re really like. Paying slightly more for one of your own high-character guys only strengthens your locker room, because it shows good workers get rewarded.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
by zherebyonki on Jul 28, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen
If I see another comment like this, I start deleting and banning you. My favorite team is the Colts. I am a Colts fan, and if there is one thing that I absolutely will not tolerate it is people coming in here and questioning the ‘fandom’ of other solely because they are critical of the team. Such thinking is blind ignorance and simple-mindedness to the extreme. It is not welcome here.
Knowing that, knock off the ‘who is your favorite team’ nonsense. It makes your comments pointless to read, and pointless comments disappear quickly around here.
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
ok, sorry to rankle you. would you care to identify a front office
that you think does it the right way?
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
by zherebyonki on Jul 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Its all about perspective
Really what team or office better exemplifies what you want to happen? Every Super Bowl winning team or even losing team has had faults and failures both with injuries and cap space that almost all of them fail to make the playoffs the next year if not two. Except for one team…the Colts. They have consistently returned to the playoffs every year, SB or not, and have maintined high statistical averages in all areas of the team except two…run defense and special teams/returns. Now the STs can stand an upgrade, we all know that, but that’s not what you throw Free Agency at. Lets look at the run defense. Should we says its horrible against all teams in the league? Yes. Does the rest of the league face the 3 top choices for Fantasy Football running back 6 times a year? No. A lot of our numbers are biased against the fact that teams in our division have focused on one area, our run defense to take advantage of two things…we play light, and it keeps manning off the field. So, we’re not as horrible as it seems if you count the running average against teams outside the division, AND the fact that we still own winning records agains the teams with 3 top fantasy running backs on their rosters. Given being a small market team with a major network favorite quarterback, we have fielded one of the most efficient teams in the country for the last 10 years. A little faith, trust, and pixie dust please BBS.
by Hawkwinter on Jul 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very very nice. You said what I wanted to say far more diplomatically.
Great point about run defense against teams within and outside the division.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
by zherebyonki on Jul 28, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
do the Rams still have to sign Peyton Manning??
No, i didnt think so. Thats why theyre able to look at more free agents than we are.
And cutting Hayden only saves $1mil against the cap, so theres no reason to do it.
Oh, he knows it will only save $1 million. For some reason he hasn’t mentioned it yet.
by ColtsPensacola on Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Just some perspective
Clint Session is a high energy, fun player to have on the Colts. Worth keeping? No. The Colts have to be really, really smart over the next couple seasons with who we keep and who we let go. I believe Kavell Conner is a better player than Session and we will be fine without him.
im gonna miss Clint
we are lacking in the “high-energy” player department, losing Clint will hurt. He was one guy that Caldwell hadnt sucked the life out of yet!
Sessions will be missed ... not worried about Muir
Clint Sessions will be missed but we’ve shown you gotta make cuts somewhere to pay the expensive guys and LB, DT and backup QB is where we usually do it
I’m not worried about Muir… Colts will sit and wait for the market to calm down and then snatch a cheap but decent DT who will be just as good as Antonio or Daniel… Marcus Stroud cut today…Phillip Daniels cut…Kemoetau…. there will be DT’s out there
Stroud apparently has a lingering shoulder issue.
by ActionOxford on Jul 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
injured player?
Sounds like a Colt to me :)
by Trav19purdue on Jul 28, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I won't miss
is people mispronouncing the name “Session” or confusing 1 man with a group of his family members.
Session =/= Sessions
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I think our LB core may become an area of concern
I understand we can’t keep everyone and I’m fine with letting Session walk if we’re going to focus on other areas of concern (DT, S depth). But we’re now looking at a starting group of Gary Brackett (who is slowing and has been a bit injury prone), Pat Angerer and Kavell Conner (two guys who showed promise but who are still unproven commodities). Any injuries to that group and we’re looking at Phillip Wheeler and Tyjuan Hagler. Makes me a bit uneasy.
Lombardi reporting Houston in lead for Nnamdi.
Rather have him go to the Jets or Texans?
Bidding on Mebane seems to be coming down to Seattle v. Denver. Two desperate teams which means Colts can’t afford him.
definitely Texans
they’re a a non-factor with or without him. Can’t let the Jets have 2 shut-down corners
Yeah, i was relieved to hear the news
the Texans were in the lead for him. I’d hate to meet the Jets in the play-offs with those 2. Revis held Reggie to 1 for 1 yd in that last game
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
by dezznutz1001 on Jul 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all not unusual news
With the play last year of rookies Angereer and Connor it was inevitable. As BBS said we dont re-sign WILL backers.
I hope and pray the Rams want Muir so theres no chance we might re-sign him. Like others have been saying any replacement for Muir would HAVE to be considered an upgrade
Go Blue!
Revenue - Expenses = Profit
Ah..not Session :(
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
Session just got signed by Jax
6 years 30 Million with 11.5 guaranteed.
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