Peyton Manning Tells Jim Irsay: Don't Make Me Highest Paid Player
by Brad Wells on Jul 29, 2011 5:05 PM EDT
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PrintOnce again, the always under-appreciated Mike Chappell gets a very good scoop:
Colts quarterback Peyton Manning insisted today that he isn’t driven by the desire to be the NFL’s highest-paid player and has no interest in being the reason the Indianapolis franchise is unable to make various roster moves.
His desire is to finalize a long-term contract – sooner, not later – that ensures the Colts are able to field a championship-caliber team, he said.
Manning conveyed that directive Thursday during a meeting with owner Jim Irsay and vice chairman Bill Polian, who is negotiating Manning’s contract with agent Tom Condon.
"While I appreciate Jim Irsay offering to make me the highest-paid player,’’ Manning told The Indianapolis Star, "I told him I’d rather he save that money and keep whoever it is . . . Joe Addai, Charlie Johnson, whoever that may be.
Here's my problem with Peyton's little 'directive' conveyed to Jim Irsay and Bill Polian: Why wasn't this said or done, like, four days ago when there were still quality free agents for the Colts to sign?
As a reader on Twitter recently chatted, this smacks of P.R. damage control by Peyton. According to Phil Wilson of the Indy Star, Peyton called Chappell in an effort to 'clear the air.'
That's fine. I understand it if Peyton wants to set the record straight in his own words. However, if he truly does't want to be the highest paid, then sign the deal they offered back in March, and let's play some football!
I'm sure some out there will start pointing fingers at Peyton's agent, Tom Condon, but... come on. Peyton is an intelligent guy. He's likely been very involved in these negotiations. Nothing Condon does happens without Peyton's O.K.
It’s believed Irsay has offered Manning a multi-year deal worth approximately $20 million per year. It’s been reported that Manning is seeking something closer to $25 million annually.
The latter figures, insisted Manning, aren’t accurate.
"That was never from me,’’ he said.
Fine. It wasn't from you. I get that. Now, back up the words with action. Sign the $20 mill per year deal, and let's get this thing going already.
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Or else Peyton is just telling the truth.
by moocow on Jul 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Coach
I’m telling you all again. He knows the Colts aren’t going anywhere with Caldwell steering the ship.
by PeytonsForeHead on Jul 29, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
They can get all the great players they want, but Caldwell still might find a way to f*ck it all up.
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Diem
Did you see the piece at the end on Diem? You may get your wish after all…
Diem
I would rather him be cut than negotiate his contract down unless we can get guarantees that he will be a backup only.
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Me too
The Indianapolis Colts are going to be the 1st team to win a super bowl in their own stadium. 'nuff said.
by It'sAlways18 on Jul 29, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
we can't guarantee Joe Reitz will be a back up. We can't guarantee anything
Let’s keep as much insurance (Diem) around as long as possible, to see who can come in and be effective on the field (not on paper) and stay healthy through four preseason games. The newly drafted linemen aren’t chickens who’ve hatched. As far as i’m concerned, they’re still in the shell… i.e., fragile and apt to get fried when the heat is on.
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by zherebyonki on Jul 30, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Diem
Keeping Diem and his salary and cap hit around for as long as possible only ensures that we have no chance of bringing in a decent, proven DT from the open market.
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As usual, the truth
probably is in the middle somewhere. Still good news.
Yeah, good news...
but as BBS said, why is the deal not done yet? Something doesn’t jive.
you really think this is the 1st time Peyton has said this??
I dont know what is holding up the contract from getting signed, but its never been Peyton! It could be the ineptitude of Chris Polian which you suggested earlier. That wouldnt surprise me.
Glad Peyton came out and made this statement public, so now all the haters who thought he was just out for the money can shut up!
It's a case of some serious dishonesty or supidity.
One of three things is happening here.
1. The Colts have lied about the numbers. Kind of stupid if it’s true. You do not screw with your most important player.
2. Peyton has bowed to the public pressure and changes his tune. I doubt this, but with the whole mess over him and the CBA, there is a possibility. It’s really similar to the rumor that Peyton wanted to be exempt from the franchise tag, only to have him come out a couple of days later and squash it.
3. Peyton has no idea what Condon is doing. Condon is tying to get the biggest contract he can so he can make more money and improve his reputation among players to get more big clients. If this is the case, his ass should be fired by Peyton.
It is just stupid for this to go on and disrupt a very short window for improving the team. If it is Condon, Peyton’s a moron for not having an idea what is going on. Like BBS has said, it has bound us up and limited are options. Waiting a week to come out and shoot down the rumor makes no sense. This whole situation feels wrong, and something is definately wrong here.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
I've been wondering about Condon.
He may have no interest in a ‘team first’ philosophy. He could be interested in what makes him look the best, as an agent. But, then again, I’m just speculating. Wouldn’t surprise me though.
But the more I think about it strandedincarolina,
I agree with you. The whole situation feels wrong. When it feels wrong, it usually is. We’ll probably never know the real truth. But, I still feel hearing this news late is better than not hearing it at all.
I feel it's definitely Condon's doing
If you’ve read Peyton and Archie’s book they released about 10 years ago, Peyton talks about how he was never involved in the negotiations for his rookie deal b/c that’s what he paid Tom Condon for. The only news he ever heard was whether or not the deal they were offering was fair. My guess is that Manning let Condon do his job so he could focus on football, then all this lockout nonsense started, and as soon as the Lockout ended Condon refused to back off of his demands for $25 million per season. Manning then probably decided to step in b/c he could see how frustrating the whole issue was for Irsay, a man whom he has a great relationship with. As for the whole Tag Exemption BS, I feel that was something the Union pressured Manning to ask for.
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by P0RKINS2 on Jul 29, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
nice research, from a first-hand source albeit 10 years old
i’d hope peyton was more involved now than as a rookie. Your guesses sound pretty good to me, and I’m getting more suspicious of Condon.
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by zherebyonki on Jul 30, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Management did not plan for worst case scenario
You have a contract at $20 mil. (let us say) and you plan for a worst case scenario for a contract at $23 mil. (hypothetical, based on current Peyton cap number). So, instead of waiting on Peyton to sign his contract, if you know that Tom Condon will work with you to make it cap friendly so that you can re-sign others, management should have planned around the worst case scenario and started signing free agents.
If making it cap friendly involved other players’ agents too, that needs to be made known publicly so that a clear idea of what was truly behind this delay comes to the surface. Regardless, like I said, things could have been done in parallel if you had a contingency plan with planning around the worst case scenario.
Too much speculation
I’d normally agree, but the uncertainty about the CBO made it pretty tough to project what the new cap number would be, and also how the Colts’ existing obligations would be counted towards it.
by ex-Viking fan on Jul 29, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't their worst-case scenario require the signing of practically no free agents?
That’s basically the premises on which they’re operating.
But I don’t think you could dare make it public if you have tentative backroom deals with various agents of FAs, having them keep their players out of the bidding until the Colts get their ducks in a row. That’s probably indeed what IS happening, but they’re not going to talk about it to appease a whining fanbase. They don’t owe us that kind of thing.
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by zherebyonki on Jul 30, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
just give it a couple of days...
and it will work itself out. i’m more interested in the news from the jags and texans’ camps about their apparently strengthening defenses.
Obviously this is great news...
But it’s somewhat puzzling. If this truly was the case, then it sounds like a deal should’ve been struck by now.
I’m guessing/hoping that Peyton wasn’t directly involved in early negotiations…And that his agent was trying to strong arm Irsay for as much $$$ as he could, despite Peyton’s claims.
It was nice, however, that Manning insisted that this deal get done soon. Today. Tomorrow, by Sunday at the latest.
We may have missed out on Weddle, Cofield, DeAngelo, etc. – but let’s be honest, we were never getting them regardless of Manning’s contract situation. There are still qualit players out there. As someone mentioned, only 33 of the top 80 free agents have been signed so far – and a handful of other impact players have been released recently. Hopefully this (and cutting/re-structuring Diem) will free up some cap space for the Colts to bring back some of their own (Addai, CJ, A. Johnson) and maybe make a splash in free agency (Mebane, Harris, Whitner, etc).
Weddle was vastly overpaid … The Colts wouldn’t have paid Cofield 6 million per in a contract .. and we don’t need DeAngelo Williams .. RB are a dime a dozen most of the times in the NFL … THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF QUALITY FREE AGENTS OUT THERE … HELL EVEN BETTER ONES THAT ARE BEING CUT AS WE SPEAK …
We need to get a couple more DTs, another Safety, and would love to get Moss
by actionjack853 on Jul 29, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WR
I am comfortable w/ our WR situation.
Would rather get a LB than a WR….the LB situation is dicey at best.
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Instead of addai cj or moss what if we get that nose tackle from San Fran and pray our linebackers won’t have to do anything
by PeytonIsGOAT on Jul 29, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aubrayo Franklin
49ers really want to keep him, but they expect him to get a huge offer somewhere. We basically have no chance to sign him because we don’t have cap room.
by ActionOxford on Jul 29, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't 49ers run a 3-4?
He might not even be a schematic fit anyway.
I personally think Kelly Gregg from Baltimore would be a good pickup if he has experience with a 4-3 at all.
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by AceOfSpades on Jul 29, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They do.
But people want a NT. Not a lot of them from a 4-3 floating around. We did pick up UDFA Ogbu who is a 4-3 NT. That’s what he played at PSU and that’s what he wants to play in the NFL. On top of that, he was a team captain on the PSU squad.
He might be a pretty good pickup.
by ActionOxford on Jul 30, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is what's happening
The Colts want to get out paying as little as possible for guys like Addai and CJ. What they say is ‘We can’t afford you because we might have to pay Peyton as much as 25 mil. Shop around and let us know what others will pay, then we’ll talk.’
Manning gets wind of this and throws up the BS flag and says, pay those guys what they’re worth to us, not slightly more than what they’re worth to another team…
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by Mark Olson on Jul 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Agree
Get this deal done soon or at least a principle agreement so they can re-sign Addai, CJ and Mookie. Then after the dust settles and the overpaid have been overpaid, get a good value DT, LB and/or Safety and get to work.
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Just a comment
Why does this good news have to have the negative spin on it like all of the other articles on here?
by whallywhale77 on Jul 29, 2011 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I don't think it HAS to have the negative spin...
but if you are a critical thinker you could see that with the information we have been given it sure looks to me to be negative. The time it’s taking to sign peyton is hurting the team but peyton is talking about wanting what’s best for the team. that doesn’t match up. BBS and others just question the ACTIONS of people and don’t just accept what they say their INTENTIONS are and assume they are synonymous, especially when they don’t appear to be matching up.
Listen to chapel interview
Go to 1070 and listen to the Chappel interview. Excellent job by him.
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by Music Man on Jul 29, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bunches of them
Colts can honestly sign anyone of these middle of the road players on defense and it will be an upgrade over what we have.
IMO, a signing at any position except DE (on defense) would be an upgrade except for Powers and Bethea.
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by AceOfSpades on Jul 29, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want a guard
whats the word on Mankins?
by metal_militia on Jul 29, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And he's about to sign a multiple year deal.
Hopefully.
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IMHO
I think the best guard we could sign is a familiar face — Charlie Johnson. I’d love to see him back at guard.
Agreed
CJ is our best bet. I’m not trying to overplay familiarity, but I do believe signing our own will do us more justice…..Mebane though….
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
I was with you
on Mebane, but he re-signed with Seattle. I’m not sure who the best bet at DT would be at this point. Would anyone remaining be better than what we have in young prospects?
I say God damn
In this shotgun free agency I feel fine saying the Colts have been too stagnant.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
I honestly won't complain if they get Addai back though.
I was actually hoping for Roy Williams, but what would you guys think about R. Moss? I only say that because it is a big name free agent we could get for next to nothing.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
No reason for Moss
1. He doesn’t play special teams
2. We already have plenty of solid receivers with experience in this offense.
3. This offense puts a priority on route running and reads. Moss does neither of those well.
4. He isn’t fast enough or motivated enough to be the same downfield threat he was even 2 seasons ago, let alone 5+ seasons ago when he was such a beast.
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by AceOfSpades on Jul 29, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends...
on if he will take vet min. If so, go for it.
I heard the Jets are out of the Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes
Manning is willing to take a lesser contract. =O
and just so you think im not bluffing
Schefter said it, so you know he is right
by metal_militia on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
where did you hear this?
I’m curious
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Clayton and Cimini from ESPNewYork are all reporting it
Sounds like he’s headed to the Cowboys
Nnamdi signed with Philly
And they might cut Asante Samuel now. Thatd be a nice pickup for our secondary if he comes cheap!
huh?
put asante out on the corner opposite powers and actually play BUMP COVERAGE and our defense might be able to get off the field every once in a while. Bullitt and Bethea should be adequate at safety (Bethea does need to step it up a bit from last season).
Samuel doesn't play press coverage.
He’s a perfect zone corner, because he can sit off the receiver, read the QB, and make a play on the throw.
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Plus if he’s on our team, we don’t have to worry about him intercepting Manning’s passes
by icedude on Jul 30, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just don't throw near him on the Colts sideline.
He might do it out of habit.
Do it in the preseason, though. It could be our Bull Durham moment.
by ActionOxford on Jul 30, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Over the Cap to begin with....
Facts are still facts. Colts are over the cap to begin with. Irsay promised to make Peyton the highest-paid QB. Irsay has never publicly lied about his intentions with Peyton nor has the cap numbers changed in the last 4 days. There is not enough room for them to move on every free agent we think we need. My guess is that they’re working free agents for the best deal and still make Big P number 1. There is no rush to get him signed if he’s willing to take less and Irsay is willing to go more. Once they know who they’ll have then they’ll know exactly how much they can pay Peyton. Hell, Peyton even said this was gonna get done before Sunday (acc to PFT)!!!! Note: There are plenty of great names still out there..and there are gonna be more. Plus, do you really want a washed-up 30 something lineman or DB draggin his depends all over the field?
by Midnight Wr on Jul 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
very reasonable summary and suppositions
I don’t know this for sure, but I imagine a team has to be below the cap at certain points during the preseason, not necessarily minute-by-minute right now and through the weekend. Reworking Peyton is a big issue and a priority, but not necessarily the #1 priority, and is not necessarily a prerequisite for signing additional FAs in the meantime. I’d be surprised if we missed out on a FA we wanted and thought we could get at an acceptable price.
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I dont mind brady being the highest payed player in the league
its still a high standard for the NFLPA to get other vets big deals.
Brady even makes more than I do,
and I’m not complainin’. I say ’let’s play some football’!
shoot, i'd even prefer it. Saddle the Pats with the golden boy's contract.
I feel sorry for Tom. Peyton’s going to make so much more over his career through endorsements. Peyton would make the better coach/commentator if he chose to do so. Tom doesn’t have a brother to help him earn viral video fame. I can even foresee a reality TV pilot with the twins: Growing up Manning.
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It's because Manning has been great
His entire 13+ year career.
Brady was good, not great, until sometime around 2005-2006.
bahahahahahahahahaa
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by ISN on Jul 30, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but
banging super models > having a slightly retarded brother
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jul 30, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we really think its possible
that the sides are still not agreeing because manning wants less money, and irsay wants to give him more?
Just doesnt seem all that likely.
i'm sure tom condon could explain it
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Cowboys are now out on Nnamdi!!!!!!
Perhaps this is our shining moment!!!! =O!!!
http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter
Jets are out on Revis as of report 8 minutes ago
guy on Dan Patrick had an interesting point, If Jets do get him, it may limit Revis’s effectiveness, becaUSE NNAMDI HAS TO PLAY ONLY ONE SIDE AND THAT WOULD LIMIT REVIS’s effectiveness
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jul 29, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
Nnamdi got paid! 5 years 60 mil 25 mil guaranteed
by metal_militia on Jul 29, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
waste of money and cap space.
With DRC AND Samuel on the roster, they are just wasting money. Stupid sign if Ive ever saw one.
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Also...adding to that
they still have Marlin Jackson. No way he stays now. Could we see a reuniting with the Colts? I wouldn’t complain
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good point ,,if he is healthy
and recovered from anoiher surgery and we can get him Cheap!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jul 29, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's give Peyton the benefit of the doubt
We all know he wants to win more SBs he doesn’t need he money,, and there are still mpeople out there who can help the COLTS
i don't think
the colts were realistically going to sign anyone in the early feeding frenzy anyway.
by BLOODontheTRACKS on Jul 29, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eagles - fine with me
49er’s wou;d have been better but at least he is out of AFC and no JET Eagles 2 good corners now
u are right
Eagles will be very good until Vick gets injured
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jul 29, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling that the Eagles will dissapoint this year.
I’m still not sold on on Vick, even if he can stay healthy. If he gives us two good years in a row, then I’ll start believing a little. Andy Reed is a great coach, and they have great playmakers, but this team just doesn’t seem to be there yet.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
and at least
won’t have to listen to Greeney on Mike and Mike talk about how JETS are a lock to win the SB now
The Devil is in the details
He conveyed it on Thursday. It wouldn’t have made a difference if he conveyed it six months ago. The Colts were never going to be big players in free agency. If anyone actually thought they were, then you may have been living under a rock for the past decade. Just saying.
by JomaChameleon on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Short of adding a 1T, or an upgrade at S (before resigning Bullett), nobody expected a lot.
We were given the impression before the lockout they might be a little more active. Given the cap and where we stand, there was no shot for a big splash. But we do need help and to upgrade. We don’t have great depth at any position and a lot of players who start are average at best.
Our approach on building through the draft and keeping our own has allowed us to be successful and make the playoffs year in and year out. However, we are not a good playoff team and varying the approach a little wouldn’t be a bad idea. The right FA here and there could make us a much better team. I’m not saying to sign a huge name, but relying on the draft, players developing, and UDFA is not going to be enough in my opinion. Adding a couple of decent players in areas of need would help a lot. And I’m not talking about a couple of broken down retreads that we got last year.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Upgrades are needed
But the money that being thrown around right now is ridiculous. Just because a player could be an upgrade doesn’t mean we should way overpay for them.
by JomaChameleon on Jul 29, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%.
I look at players like Weddle and Session, who I both like, and wonder what kind of kool aid they are drinking. Neither one is worth anything near what they got. I’m not advocating stupidity, but a very focused approach on a couple of good value players.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they learned their lesson
thsoe free agent linemen they signed were all worthless,, prices for FAs will be coming down starting next week
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jul 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a good playoff team?
How many teams made 2 super bowls in the last 5 years? half of all playoff teams are 1 and done. 1/6 makes the Superbowl. I’d say they do pretty well thank you very much…
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We have arguable the best QB of all time and we don't have a winning record in the playoffs with him.
A team with as much talent as we have should not be one and done as many times as we have. You can blame it on a lot of things, but years like last year are all to common for the Colts. At any rate, I’d be looking at my team critically trying to get better no matter how I did the year before.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Having the best QB of all time can be a curse at times...
It’s hard to have depth and surround a QB like that with tons of talent. Look at Tom Brady. 1 and done the last 2 years and the year before that the Pats missed the playoffs (yes I know it was under Cassell), but that goes to show how hard it is to have that great of a player, pay them what they’re worth, and then field a football team. Fact is the Colts have done an amazing job of it.
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— Tony Dungy
Dead on.
I’ve been saying this for awhile. Let others overspend. Find a few good guys at good prices. This team DOESN’T NEED THE WORLD. They need some depth and hopefully an upgrade at S (although I like Bullit) and a run stuffing DT. The OL has already been addressed and there is plenty of depth in other places.
Yeah, I'm Shure.
Agree
DT now is priority #1.
Also, we can’t continue to rely on UDFAs and 1st and 2nd year guys to be great contributors, especially in the playoffs (see Jacob Lacey). A veteran presense for the right price would be good for this team.
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by AceOfSpades on Jul 29, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Peyton was calling out his agent and not the team.
Condon also represents Nnamdi and with all the back and forth with him he might not have been spending the time on Peytons deal. Condon knows Manning is going to get at least 23mil for the franchise tag. So Peyton called him out.
by VERNON HOWELL on Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Franchise tag
is irrelevant. Doesn’t count in new CBA I dont think
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colts have until sept 20th to sign him to a longterm contract instead of keeping the tag
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Or maybe
Signing a contract like this isn’t as easy as this.
Team: We’ll sign you for $XX.
Player: Deal!
Sign on dotted line.
If anyone has ever been involved in any sort of salary negotiations they know that these things take time. Throw variables like the salary cap and free agents in the mix, then it’s the smart thing to do to take a little extra time on a deal that everyone knows is going to get done.
by JomaChameleon on Jul 29, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not this much time...
Look at all the free agents that were signed this week…
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if he has to call out his agent
I am sure every other agent in teh world would take his business
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jul 29, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
if the kid from Ball State looks good in free agency
time to cut Curtis!!!!!!! even though they didn’t do that last year
Anyone wanting Mebane
can give up. Just inked with Seattle.
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Bummer
5mil sounds reasonable.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
in fact if Pey needs extra money give him Painter's money
at least it won’t be wasted that way LOL
Does Painter even make the roster this year?
I know he doesn’t make much, but I think he’s hit his ceiling however low it was.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
probably will
they like him I do NOT
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Jul 29, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His 9.8 rating isn't good enough for you?
His 1.3 yards per carry would be enough to merit a spot in our rushing attack though.
by Joseph* on Jul 29, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Imagine if the Pats would’ve signed Nnamdi….
BBS would have crapped a Backstreet Boy.
by moocow on Jul 29, 2011 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Addai
I still think our top priorty if Peyton takes a little less is to bring back Joe. I know he isn’t an explosive guy…but in a short offseason and with Manning aging, we need him more than ever. I also think it would be great for these two guys to finish there careers together. Joseph (when healthy) would be huge to keeping Mr. Manning off his back and on the field for a longer career. He would be worth it I believe.
5 MVPs, 3 Superbowl Appearances, 2 Superbowl Rings
by BleedingBlueForever on Jul 29, 2011 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Addai is good but...
I think Ahmad Bradshaw would fit better in the Colts system. He has good hands, is a GREAT blocker, and has a much better burst than Addai. Ronnie Brown is also out there, but is older.
I would be happy if Addai got signed, but I would wonder what could have been with Bradshaw. BleacherReport had a good article on who the colts should keep, let go, maybe keep, and what free agents they should sign.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Bradshaw...
Is seeking DeAngelo Williams-type $$$. There’s no way we sign him.
You have to prefer
Addai over Bradshaw considering the lockout.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
I see you're reasoning
Running back is one of the easiest positions to pick up. That’s in general though, not under Peyton Manning. That’s why I’d be happy to have Addai back.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
He's not going to get it anywher
He may find there aren’t many options and take less money from a contender…
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
I think
with a re-vamped o-line and one full healthy season, Addai can have a break out season. He really isn’t that old and has just had some injury problems. Look at stephen jackson last year….of course this could just be hopefull thinking I suppose.
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by BleedingBlueForever on Jul 29, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The one plus for Joe is he knows the system.
At this point, bringing in someone like Bradshaw might not be that much of a gain.
by strandedincarolina on Jul 29, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
remember that time we signed asomugha
and haynesworth, and chad johnson, and reggie bush, and quinten mikell…wait….we haven’t signed our quarterback. how can you guys be complacent?
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
Why does this need to be done?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to resign the free agents and then give Peyton whatever is left in the cap? If the Colts effectively have a gentleman’s agreement with Peyton that he wont sign the tender and will sign for whatever is left in the cap after the other signings, what is the rush?
Waiting also ensures management doesn’t screw Peyton by signing him to less and then saving money, and it gives them negotiating leverage with players like Addai that they are trying to keep, where they can basically say “we don’t have much cap room, but your important to us, we’ll give you as much as we can.” If that is their strategy, you wouldn’t want to clear the air and let those FAs know that you’ve made an offer like this to management.
meh
It’s been four days. Manning should have been signed and we should have moved on to other business.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
A new deal would most likely mean less of a cap hit
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
With Manning?
Thank God you have an in with the team.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
It's accurate
Currently, Peyton takes up over $20m on the cap. A new deal, regardless of how lofty, is unlikely to go more than $10m against this year’s cap.
So his cotract has nothing
to do with our free agency apathy?
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
I suspect
it has a lot to do with it, in that, he is the priority. We have other in-house FAs to sign, too. I think the FO is focused on signing those players and seeing where it leaves them in cap space before jumping into the FA pool.
Agreed
but i still believe he needs to be signed in order to get deals done with our other free agents. We should at least try to sign one of our two grumps(Wayne/Mathis…leaning heavily toward Mathis)
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
i'm not sure it has to be in that order.
i don’t think we have to be under the cap minute-by-minute, just by a certain point in time (opening of camp, perhaps?). I’m not sure though.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
neither of the grumps is going to get satisfied this year. Both will have to wait.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
Peyton's franchise tag is $23M against the cap; new deal was supposed to be less than $20M
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
Even at $20m per year average
the guaranteed money he would receive could keep his cap number below $10m this season.
That's how the old cap worked
New cap includes guaranteed/bonus money averaged throughout the contract unless a player is cut. If a player is cut the remainder is brought to the current year. Which is why Hayden would only save 2.5M against the cap if he was cut. His footprint on the cap is like 8.5 million and if he was cut 6.5 million of his guaranteed/bonus money would be brought current to this year and count towards the 2011 cap.
"It's about the journey--mine and yours--and the lives we can touch, the legacy we can leave, and the world we can change for the better."
— Tony Dungy
by your own logic, though, peyton's cap hit could be less than 20M
if given a big bonus. It wouldn’t hurt unless we cut him before the end of the contract.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
you know what we should do?
sign peyton to a huge contract and not give a F about every other free agent on our team and elsewhere around the league. Peytons gonna Pey. Don’t bow to the alter.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
Let's get this straight
Every other team is signing free agents, and we can’t sign the QB every analyst has said was a guaranteed Colt.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
free agency
The most impactfull free agent left is Cullen Jenkins. He can get after the passer and stop the run egually well. He played dt for many years and played at a very high level. He would make a huge difference for our defence. If he signs with someone else we should get Adams from the bears he is excellent at stopping the run.
I'm still holding out hope
that we can sign Mebane.
by mtfearin on Jul 29, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haynesworth and Diem
Unless we get a fa T I can’t imagine linkenbach being any better than his game against the patriots last year, and the other rookies are worse, so getting rid of diem-idk about that. It makes me how little pats gave for Haynesworth, why year after year do we fail to help our d-line?
You're saying Castonzo and Ijalana are worse than Link?
You haven’t even seen them play yet.
by ActionOxford on Jul 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Having seen a bunch of Nova games I
would have to say that he was the steal of our draft
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
Amobi Okoye
texas gave him permission to seek a trade, what about looking into to him for the dt position???
Have faith. In Polian we trust.
All the deals have been secured, they just haven’t been released. It’s just smoke and mirrors from the genius that is Bill.
by braveheartcolt on Jul 30, 2011 4:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
"In Polian we trust"
saying something like that around here could get a fella stabbed
"Are you f*cking kidding me???"
Today please!
I don’t think the Colts would have pursued any of the big names anyway for a variety of reasons including money, but we need some room to sign our own and perhaps bolster some areas of need. Last I checked there is still a large number of FA out there. If I sound patient I am not – this is killing me.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Quick
Answer this question. Name the free agents we signed the past two years.
"If they want me to be a crazy, emotional, frenzied fan in section 603, then they can't expect me to be reasonable about the business of football"
Manning vs Brady
I always hated/admired Brady for taking less so his team could get more players around him. I always hoped Peyton would do the same.
As for FAs, we don’t need them. We are the model of success for the past decade, signing only a FA PK, as well as a mistake in Corey Simon. What we need is a season with few injuries. We don’t need inflated contracts getting in the way of our proven model of success.
Corey Simon
We really need to get over that.
He played well in 2005, we had Booger in 06 and won the SB and had a solid run D in 07… Simon wouldn’t have played to 08 anyway so except for his cap hit in the few years after he “retired” we didn’t really lose all that much.
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