Bill Polian: Mookie Johnson And Drake Nevis Are Nose Tackles, Ben Ijalana At Right Tackle
I took yesterday afternoon off because, unlike last year, I'd prefer not to burn out by the start of the regular season. In 2010, the blog was raking in tons of new readers. We'd just started SB Nation Indiana (still going strong, I might add), and we in the the process of not only getting new editors for Indiana, but for Stampede Blue as well.
Today, I have a nice crew working over at SBN IN, and the return of Eric Miller here will add even more variety to the blog. Thus, on days when I want to take a break, I'm taking a break. Trust me. It will make me a much happier person in the long run.
Speaking of happy, you might find this interesting (or humorous), but I actually feel very relieved by the recent statements made by Colts vice chairman Bill Polian. At Colts camp, ESPN's Paul Kuharsky got a few moments time with Pappa Polian and coach Jim Caldwell. The conversation bred ripe fruit:
Nose tackles: Polian said he felt good about Antonio Johnson and Drake Nevis as the team's nose tackle, suggesting he isn't looking for anyone else.
Yes, that's right. I'm actually happy Bill Polian said this.
The NT position is, without question, the Achilles Heel for this defense. They've never been able to get anyone to consistently play the spot, which is why teams always enjoy shoving whatever scrub runningback they have down Indy's throat. The best Indy ever had at NT was Booger McFarland, and he only played for half a season.
In 2009, Antonio 'Mookie' Johnson started fifteen regular season games and all the playoff games (including Super Bowl). He played well, and the Colts run defense, especially in the playoffs, was dominant. But, last year Mookie was benched Week One for Fili Moala. It's a move we still don't understand because, in Polian's own words:
[Fili] isn't necessarily the big guy in the middle. He's a bigger guy than we've had. We still need length, we still need athleticism, we still need change of direction. The under tackle is still a guy that has to be able to get through the gap and disrupt. But it's hard to win consistently with 275 pound guys in there. It helps if they're 290 to 300. And then of course, the nose tackle is a different story. He could even be bigger if you could find one.
With Moala and Daniel Muir tag-teaming at NT last year, the Colts surrendered 2,032 rushing yards. At he end of the year, Pappa Polian called Moala 'the team's best defensive tackle,' a laughable statement when one looks at film of Moala's play in 2010.
As is often the case, words are meaningless. Action (and money) are the biggest indicators as to how much a team does or doesn't value a player. Apparently, Fili Moala was so good for the Colts last year that the team went out and drafted a highly touted DT in the third round this year (Nevis) and signed free agent DT Tommie Harris and free agent DE-DT Jamaal Anderson.
Now, with Nevis, he played his college ball at LSU, the same school that produced Booger McFarland. When Nevis was drafted, Bill Polian said:
You hate to compare these guys. I don’t play that game. I don’t compare these guys to people that have played well in the league, but in style of play and stature, he’s an awful lot like Booger (former Colts defensive tackle Anthony McFarland).
Nevis is listed at 6'1, 294, but he's supposedly at camp weighing over 300 pounds. For most of his playing career, Booger was at 6'1, 300.
Thus, if ole Bill thinks that Nevis can play NT, then I am fine with that.
Obviously, if the Colts still have a shot at Pat Williams, I think signing another free agent NT is wise given the team's track record at the position. But, if Bill Polian thinks Mookie, Nevis, and maybe Ricardo Mathews can play nose, I am a-okay with that. The concern I have had is whether or not players on this team fit the type of NT I think the team needs. The only player that comes close, for my money, is Mookie. But, if Bill Polian thinks differently on this, that's cool.
Of course, if he's wrong, and teams blast through Nevis the way they did Moala last year, I'll be a jerk who reminds everyone of what Pappa Polian said. But, if he's right, I'll also be the jerk who says, 'Hey! Look who finally figured out how to solve the NT problem!'
Other tidbits from Kuharsky's chat that were interesting:
- Polian and Caldwell see Ben Ijalana as a tackle, and only a tackle
- Ryan Diem might play guard in 2011. He played guard from 2001-2003. Personally, I like this move. Guard is easier to play than tackle, and anything that keeps Mike Pollak stuck to the bench makes me grin like a fool.
- Polian thinks Curtis Painter looks 'terrific.' He said the same nonsense last year, and Painter looked awful to anyone with two eyes.
In other news, Jacob Lacey returned to practice today, and reports I'm getting from folks on Twitter say he looks fine.
Oh, and by the way... THERE'S A FRIGGIN FOOTBALL GAME ON TONIGHT!
Yes, I know it's preseason, and you know what... I don't care. You know something else? Neither do you. I'm gonna watch it, and you're gonna watch it. Don't be surprised if it gets higher ratings than Game One of the World Series this year. Football is king, kids!
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this kinder, gentler BBS is kinda spooking me out!
Just kidding, nice article. Enjoy the occasional day off, big guy!
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This ^
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by BigBlackRichard on Aug 11, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe...
It is just me, but the name “Lacey” brings back really bad memories of Brandon Marshall taking him to the cleaners and catching 600+ catches. Can’t read past that.
Otherwise all good stuff. Like the report, really looking forward to see what this year brings.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Aug 11, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
BBS, I think I get you now...
If it works – we love ol’ Bill, if it doesn’t – cue rampage-mode.
Mook never should have been benched last season, but I do think he was hurt and there was some stubborn loyalty to Muir when clearly Mookie was a better fit next to Moala. I have no problem with those 2 being our starters with spelling from Harris (if for no other reason, health), Nevis and Foster.
There's been talk of Hayden resigning by some of the 1070 interviews
Clayton and Jeff Burris both said they think it’s a highly likely situation. I know I’d feel a lot better having too many corners, rather than not enough guys and at least Hayden can play (just not at a $6M/year level).
Any thoughts, BBS?
If it happens
I’m happy. That’s tremendously embarrassing for Hayden though.
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You think?
Lots of guys got cut this offseason and/or renegotiated their contracts to come back to their original team:
Mark Brunnell
LaDanian Tomlinson
Ryan Diem
Richard Seymour
Stanford Routt
A.J. Hawk
Meeting with Bears
Anyone know why the Bears are no longer interested? Was he asking for too much $$? Concerned about his past injuries?
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Because the Bears have Tim "frickin" Jennings, that's why!!!
by SoCalHoosier on Aug 12, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course!
How could I forget.
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Ironically
Jennings actually played pretty well for the Bears last season, even BBS was surprised lol
by DevilsReject on Aug 12, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe that means lacey isn't as terrible as he seems?
And it’s just bad coaching and schemes that makes him a terrible coverage corner?
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 12, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are you
and what have you done with BBS?
Moala played well last year as a 3 technique UT. He just didn’t do well when asked to play out of position. He did have several games where he was very disruptive and was a handful on passing downs.
Anyone remember when McShay and Kiper were calling him (and then later, Maualuga) #1 overall picks? Those draft guys are stupid.
by willyduer on Aug 11, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yea, that was still the height of “USC players are all awesome” evaluation by supposed experts.
Speaking of McShay and Kiper….why does ESPN need both of them?
if you have two guys opposing each other
you’re bound to be right sometime
by Matt Russell on Aug 11, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
when you do seventeen mock drafts you get to pretend you’re right more often too.
Seeing Bob Sanders out there in a Charger uniform makes me sick.
Tarvaris Jackson is terrible.
by willyduer on Aug 11, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cuz they were sick of Kiper being wrong all the time, they wanted double teh pleasure
LOL. i have no idea…but with two of them, it increases the chances of one of them beign correct.
Even though They hardly ever are…NFL drafting is just to deep, its not like teh NBA where everyone knows who the first 10 picks are going to be
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by dezznutz1001 on Aug 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
They only keep Kiper around because of his hair.
If it has to be ESPN, I would rather watch a sports cat fight between Michelle Beadle and Rachel Nichols!
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Nice stuff, BBS
I think Muir & Mookie played well in 2009 as UT/NT respectively. The problem in 2010 was that Polian forced Moala in there (his 2nd rounder) and that put Muir out of position as a NT. We saw the results. If Mookie is able to hold his ground against double teams, the DEs, Moala and even the LBs will improve vastly.
On the other hand, don’t believe Polian when he does his comparisons. He called Sam Giguere the next Wes Welker. Yeah, right.
JIM CALDWELL great on NFL radio today
Heard the interview with him, and then Chris Pollian,, Caldwell was insightful, and funny, a great interview
Caldwell was funny??? lol
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by BigBlackRichard on Aug 11, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What did they say?
Didn’t take my lunch early enough… I couldn’t listen in.
Got to hear Bill Polian and actually called in to ask about the interior lineman and how Mills and Solly thought they looked – they had no idea what they were talking about though.
Timeout
Did Caldwell talk in circles without ever making a real point? Did he say “certainly” 800 times?
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'The problem in 2010 was that Polian forced Moala in there (his 2nd rounder) and that put Muir out of position as a NT'
This is an interesting idea, if true (and I stress if because we honestly don’t know).
If Bill Polian is forcing his coach to play certain players because they were high picks, what does that say about Caldwell? What does it say about Polian himself? Is his ego THAT fragile?
This is just a hypothetical: If it were true that Polian was telling Caldwell to play certain players because of their draft stock even if they didn’t deserve the reps, would you lose respect for both Polian and Caldwell?
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^This
Was a response to BertramJone.
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Caldwell is just a Polian marionette. He is just happy to be a HC on a powerful team, after having a lousy record in the college ranks. His merit was being friends with Dungy, that’s it. By the way, w/o Dungy, Mudd & Moore the Colts’ payroll has to be one of the smallest among elite teams.
by BertramJone on Aug 11, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Although we should probably credit Polian with the ability to know when to call a timeout.
I blame it on faulty batteries.
by SoCalHoosier on Aug 12, 2011 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Ehh
Even if this is the case, I think of it quite differently:
Bill Polian (and his scouting department) clearly believe in the talent of the players that they drafted. Regardless of how Fili practiced, or played early on in his pre-season career, Bill obviously figured that he had the talent to compete in the NFL.
Especially for a 2nd year player whom didn’t even see the field as a rookie – it’s too early for a GM (or anyone) to realize that a player is a complete bust, or just developing. If it was a 4th, or 5th year player that had clearly demonstrated an inability to play in the NFL, then I’d question Polian’s motives.
by kmbryant09 on Aug 11, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I posted elsewhere on the site
but still wonder. Why take a guy hyped to be a prototype 3-tech and move him out of position? I understand there is zero depth at NT and not many other guys on the roster seem to fit the bill but why not see what Nevis can do as a 3-tech (perhaps being one of the best in the league) before moving him in desperation?
I share your excitement about the overall depth accumulating at DT but it all seems to be at UT. Hopefully Nevis will be more successful at playing out-of-position than Moala.
by mtfearin on Aug 11, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nevis might only play1 tech on passing downs
This is a guess, but keep in mind how much the Colts rotate their DTs. I expect that the plan is to play Mookie as the primary 1 tech, and Nevis to play there on passing downs when the main objective is getting into the backfield. If Mookie goes down for a game or two, they move whichever of their 3 techs they think can best handle the 1 tech. If he has a major injury, they sign someone like Pat Williams. I think they see the space-filling, over-sized 1 tech as a limited role that they don’t want to use two roster spots on.
by ex-Viking fan on Aug 12, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also regarding Painter
the guys on NFL radio today thought Orlovsky looks much better than Painter!!!!! And agree with BBS does not hurt to get another DT
and they said Orlovsky looks much more comfortable
and is making all the throws unlike Painter I hope the Colts take the best performer this year at backup QB, unlike last year!!!!
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Aug 11, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlovsky has started an NFL game and played it to its entirety
He simply has more experience and confidence.
Im not surprised to hear that hes better, cuz he is
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by dezznutz1001 on Aug 12, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused about Polian talking about a Nose Tackle
Perhaps someone with more knowledge about football can set me straight, but I always thought that a 4-3 defense doesn’t even have a nose tackle. It is the 3-4 that uses the nose tackle position… and when have the Colts used a 3-4 defense?
Um I think he is referring to the overtackle position vs. the undertackle position.
Here is a good article on that:
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/8/8/2351881/the-importance-of-the-nose-tackle-position-in-the-colts-tampa-2-scheme
NT vs DT
While a 3-4 base defense has only 1 interior lineman who is typically referred to as a “Nose Tackle” or “Nose Guard,” a 4-3 base defense can also have an NT. It has more to do with where they line up rather than how many lineman are present. A NT is the defensive tackle that lines up in what is known as “0 technique” and often in “1 technique” as well. What these “techniques” refer to is their alignment across the line of scrimmage from the offense. “0 technique” is where the defensive lineman is head-to-head with the Center. “1 technique” is just off the shoulder of the center.
We often play more “1 technique” in our scheme and need the NT (also referred to as an “Overtackle”) to command double teams and allow the DT next to him (playing the “3 technique” or “Undertackle” role) to get penetration.
Hopefully that helps!
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I’m sure that article is more eloquently written to describe the same thing.
Also, we do go into a 3, down lineman (usually a 3-3-5 or 3-2-6) look in our nickle and dime packages on certain passing downs. You’ll see that look a lot with Mathis and Freeney at the DE spot and Eric Foster as the “NT.” It’s just a way for us to get our best personnel on the field to handle pass rush and coverage.
your answer was sufficient and eloquent in and of itself. Nice.
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by zherebyonki on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
D-Line - Best the Colts have had
This year’s D-Line is flat out the best the Colts as a team have ever had. No, I’m not kidding, and no, I’m completely sober/sane.
You have two bookend Pro Bowlers in Freeney and Mathis, and while the Colts had those guys in 2006, they are more dominant now than then. You have a former Pro Bowler in Harris, similar to McFarland, capable of disrupting a whole lot on the inside, but coming off a few years where he was a bit lackluster. Harris played hurt for a team and wound up suffering for it. Can he regain that form? He’s fully healthy for the first time in 2 seasons. We’ll see. We also have a sparkplug of a warrior in Drake Nevis, along with Mookie.
Think about it for a minute, that’s almost scary. No more doubling down on the DE’s to eliminate the pass rush. No more empty holes for guys to run through while our guys are getting blown off their blocks from playing out of position.
It has a lot of potential to be one of the better run defenses the Colts have had in a long time. I’m VERY anxious to see how this could work out.
you can be sober
but you are wrong. the dt’s still suck
Instead of being a putz
How about you back your comments with some actual facts?
The Colts rushing defense hasn’t finished higher than 15th since Peyton Manning joined the team, and the Colts have several times over had the #1 passing defense, or finished in the top 5 in passing defense.
Arguably, talent for talent, it’s the best D-Line the Colts will actually put on the field since 2006, and even then, it’s still a better overall mix of talent and ability. Will it be better? Only time will tell.
If I’m not mistaken, our starters that year were Freeney, Booger, Brock, and Reid on the D-Line…so yeah, I’d say I feel a lot better about this team than I did then.
by DevilsReject on Aug 11, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
you are guessing at that.
moala is hardly average
mook is average
nevis is a rookie
harris has been bad for years. could be good but who knows right now
foster isnt good
how is that good? sure it could be good but how can you say it is the most talented? you are the one talking out of your ass
agreed, and if Hughes develops into a decent pash rush threat
it’ll be the first time we’ve had 3 rotatable threats at the defensive ends since Raheem “the Flying Squirrel” Brock left town.
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by zherebyonki on Aug 11, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
They haven't even played a game yet
There is some potential, sure, but let’s wait before we “crown their ass”
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2005
First, I don’t agree at all that Mathis and especially Freeney are better now than they were in the mid-00’s. Freeney’s best days are behind him. 2005 was easily the best DL of the Manning era and I doubt that will ever change. Corey Simon was exactly what the defense needed and is the main reason the team had so many sacks and a big part of the team giving up so few points. Free and Mathis were younger and faster, and the other DTs on the roster at the time were better. I think this DL can be better than last year and better than 08-09, but it will not be the best of the Manning era.
Marlin Jackson is hurt again, I heard
this time with hernia
Safe to say...
that Polian, Caldwell, etc. seem to be in love with Nevis? If he’s as good as a lot think, and Tommie Harris stays healthy at least 10-11 games and into the playoffs, and Hughes has developed…then yeah, I think this might be the best D-line of the Manning era. I don’t think there’s any way we give up as many rushing yards.
The offensive line, however…
by ballistikk on Aug 11, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Best case scenario:
Jerry Hughes has developed as a legitimate 3rd pass-rusher.
Tommie Harris re-gains at least some of his All-Pro talent, and can stay healthy.
Drake Nevis is the real deal – like really good.
Mookie can stay healthy and continue his solid play inside.
Fili continues to develop into a solid DT.
Jamaal Anderson proves to be an early-down, run-stuffing DE.
In this scenario: we have 3 phenomenal pass rushers, another DE who is phenomenal against the run. We have an up-and-coming, disruptive NT (over tackle) paired alongside a former All-Pro under tackle. Both of our tackles are backed up by solid players.
by kmbryant09 on Aug 11, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Worst case scenario:
Jerry Hughes is still a bust.
Tommie Harris can’t stay healthy.
Drake Nevis is what he is – a rookie.
Mookie continues to play well, but either gets injured (again), or somehow finds himself in the coach’s doghouse (again).
Fili is forced to play NT (over tackle) again, and fails miserably.
Jamaal Anderson simply isn’t that good.
by kmbryant09 on Aug 11, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Harris
His problem hasn’t been his ability, it’s been the injuries. The Bears have spent several of the last 3-4 years getting blasted on defense with injuries (sound familiar Colts fans?) and this has led to an increase of the Bears vaunted defense being left out and fried by opposing teams. It doesn’t help of course they’ve had shitty QB play and an almost non existent offense outside of a running game.
The Colts have better DE’s who require more double teams, and typically have an offense that can play with a lead. Harris should not only be able to stay healthy, but should be able to be a big contributor down the stretch. While I think he has to be your starter at UT, he’s definitely not going to play a lot of snaps early on. The Colts will watch him simply for that reason (health).
by DevilsReject on Aug 11, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
well, jamaal anderson really isn't an unknown
It is known that he’s actually a very good run-defending DE. He’s definitely an upgrade over Eric Foster. There’s really no doubt about that. He’s been in the league long enough that we kind of know what we’re getting.
The real worst case for Jamaal Anderson is that he really just doesn’t have the ability to be effective in the pass-rush in the NFL, which would simply confirm what we already expect. He’s not expected to come in here to be a freeney/mathis type of rusher.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Aug 12, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
so then
instead of having freeney and mathis rushing the outside all 3 downs we can put anderson and foster on the outside on some of those first down running situations and keep freeney and mathis fresh for the 2nd and 3rd down pass rush situations. So essentially, you have a good rotation right now for running (anderson, moala, mookie, foster) and passing (mathis, harris, nevis, freeney)
Seems to me if they can all stay healthy (probably not) then we have a good unit that can stay fresh and freeney and mathis won’t have to play 30-40 downs a game in there older age.
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