Milestone Millieu
A baseball player on a Colts blog? I know baseball is a topic that doesn't get discussed much here. With the discussion in the main stream media about Jim Thome and his 600th home run, it got me thinking about the big picture of milestones in football. Why is it that the baseball world seems to revolve around these numbers and the football world doesn't?
Baseball people pour over stat books and box scores for days without end. They invented a way of running a team that was totally stat based (Sabre-metrics and MoneyBall). You think of records in sports and it's baseball numbers that come to mind. 715 and 755. 56 and the once hallowed 61. 4,256 and .400. Most sports fans see those and know what they are and what they mean.
Totally different for football. There are plenty of number to stare at in the NFL. Check out mgrex's Winning Stats. This system takes advanced stats and uses them to predict the outcome of games (fairly successfully I might add). There are also sites out there like Pro Football Focus and Advanced NFL Focus but they are still seen as a underground movement in the football world.
I have a couple theories as to why this happened.
The story of baseball can be told through a score book and a box score. You can look at numbers and see how the game went. Sure you can't tell if the 2-2 slider that just missed the outside corner allowed a guy one more swing that broke open the game, but you can get the gist. You can see each one-on-one matchup in black and white.
Football cannot be told that way. The box score shows totals, but not how many blitzes the O-Line had to protect against. It shows TDs completed but not the 3rd down play that sustained the drive. The penalties are totaled, but how many led to first downs or had first downs called back? The much more narrative in football that is missing from a box score. With these story lines lacking, the box score holds limited appeal and is therefore sacrificed by the common fan. With box scores lost, statistic milestones become lost too.
Can you tell me what the Single Season record for Passing or Rushing yards is? I'll admit, I can tell you passing yards is over 5,000 and Rushing is over 2,000. Any guess on career? How about something like single season or career interceptions? I don't even have a good guess for that one. Sure I can look them up (5,084 Dan Marino; 71,838 Brett Favre; 2,105 E. Dickerson; 18,355 Emmitt Smith; 14 Night Train Lane; 81 Paul Krause) but not one will remain in yours or my head after this article.
So what are the milestones in football? What is 600 home runs or 3,000 hits? The short answer is nothing. Football is a team game, not a batter against a pitcher individually. While receivers line up against corners one-on- one, it doesn't tell the story of the 20 other players on the field. While individual numbers are impressive to see, the W column is the only one that matters. This is why football has taken over the american sports conscientiousness.
While an individual player's effort and ability has an effect on the outcome, it takes the whole team to win a game. The individual struggles for the good of the team. Whether we want to admit it or not, there is a good feeling when we come together and accomplish something as a group. Baseball feels one-on-one. Football feels 11-on-11. Yes there is individual glory to be had, but the team glory means much more.
So the Ten Million Dollar question...What does this have to do with the Colts? Not much really. We do that in #18 that will break and set more records as the years go. Here's to hoping the records and the wins go together. I'll get back to actual football stories tomorrow.
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Not to bash
your article or anything im sure most people will agree with it and understand but
1) never thought of baseball stats or milestones or even at all which is why i dont connect to this article i guess
2) baseball is completely a team sport think of a line drive everyone but the pitcher is in on that and with the catcher in on every play its really 2 on 1 in your version and after the pitch many players are involved and before the pitch you have runners stealing bases
3) i totally get the merit of your story and im sure its target reader will recc and all that good stuff but i thought id also add a different view as well because that what lifes about right different views without blindly saying youre stupid just because i dont like baseball
On the contrary...
I very much enjoy baseball and umpire all spring and summer. The point is not to say baseball stinks and football is better. The point was to say that football stats and milestones don’t mean a hill of beans because team wins matter more in our minds. It’s the only argument you will ever hear in Brady v. Manning. Brady wins more. What is meant is his team wins more so his personal statistical short comings are overlooked. If someone as dominating as Peyton played baseball, there would be no debate over the GOAT label.
Just differences, not judgements.
Bleedin' Blue for as long as I can remember. Can you believe we get to be fans while our team has the greatest QB of all time?!?!?!
by emiller17 on Aug 16, 2011 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just saying
baseball is technically just as much of a team sport as football so saying stats matter in one and not the other because they are so different doesnt make sense anyone could say
who has the most dunks ever in basketball?
who has the most catches diving over the homerun wall?
who has the most foul ball catches for outs?
Some stats matter and some dont, Jordans GOAT in basketball but do people know how many dunks/3s/jump shots he had
The stats that matter most in baseball and other sports are generally just the highest profile or easiest to remember
baseball- homeruns and no hitters are big
football- sacks/TDs/interceptions
all things that get the crowd going
Indpls. Indians + a bunch of beer once a year = good time
"I do the usual. I bowl, I drive, I have the ocassional acid flashback"
"Dude" from the Big Lebowski
Sorry, but this article rather bored me. I never felt like you were going somewhere with this and baseball references don’t work here.
NeXt Man Up
by Dann Giszewski on Aug 16, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
That's cool
New thought process for me in this style. Gotta try new things every once in awhile.
Bleedin' Blue for as long as I can remember. Can you believe we get to be fans while our team has the greatest QB of all time?!?!?!
by emiller17 on Aug 16, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent article
It’s nice to see you switch it up emiller. While I don’t always like your articles, I do find that they always very nicely written and generally easy to follow.
C.Settles
Unlike football, baseball is far more about the individual than it is a team. The team’s defense is dictated by the pitcher more than the rest of the team. The team’s offense is only generated by the guy at the plate, not the guys on the field. There isn’t any trickery that can be had to get extra points or settling for a field goal.
Yes, every team sport at some point has to rely on a team effort to become winners. However, it’s far easier to win in football with a bunch of hard working nobodies than it is in baseball.
Not if
you treat baseball players as football
a bad pitch is like a bad pass and can lead to a score for the other team
stop the 3 times and you get the ball (most of the time obviously football is more complicated on that)
and id disagree about the defense since after the pitch 4-5 defenders can get the ball to make plays and non of the have to be the pitcher
as for trickery stealing bases/sacrificial hits are tricks to get points
I understand the basic point youre saying but maybe its coming off to me as over simplified or too broad of a generalization
But you see,
this presumes far too much about baseball. Yes, one person is at the plate at a time, in perhaps a similar manner to how there is only one QB on the field at a time, but it’s not like there’s only ever one player on offense. Players currently on base can influence how the person at the plate are pitched to, if the catcher is worried about someone stealing a base, if there’s going to be a hit and run, if a sacrifice is needed in order to advance a runner, and so on.
Additionally, the entire starting team is on the field while on defense. I would actually argue that baseball is MORE of a team sport than football (not that it really matters) because in football the offense is only ever on the field while the team is on offense and the defense is only ever on the field when the team is on defense (except, of course, in the case of an interception or fumble). Baseball, on the other hand, demands the entire starting team’s participation through the entire game. Players play both offense and defense, and therefore are always on the same team. Apart from wearing the same uniform what, in terms of the game, really connects the offense with the defense in football? Sure, there’s strategy in terms of the defense getting the offense the ball as quickly as possible or the offense staying on the field for long enough but the players NEVER play with each other (except for maybe if they happen to be on special teams). How much of a team sport it THAT?
Dallas Clark: Some tight ends catch. Some block. Clark just owns.
I wrote up a fan post apropos this subject a while back here at Stampede Blue, in case you like the baseball-vs-football debate.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
50 TDs is a pretty round number.
But 5,000 passing yards, 2,000 rushing yards, 20 TDs rushing/receiving, 20 sacks, there are a few.
Difference in stats
In baseball everyone except the pitcher sometimes has an at bat. So that means you can compare on offense one player to every other baseball player who ever lived. Also, the stats spam every era because percentages are used, not yards which are dependent on number of games played. But still pitcher catcher First base and Left field can all hit a homeruns. Not many offensive lineman will throw a touch down pass ever in their life. The equal playing field makes it more exciting to compare players.
by reddogfred on Aug 17, 2011 8:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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